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    Putin made in his press conference speech at the Economic Forum in St Petersburg a reference that the Ukraine should do the "special zone for the mercenaries constitutional changes" in order to get talks going--BUT he kept also referring to his form of "federalization" and claiming that the Ukraine was doing nothing on their side.

    Seems that in fact the Ukraine submitted their proposed "decentralization plans" to the Venice Commission for review ------

    Take note, Russia: Venice comm on Ukraine draft const amdmts: a few chgs, but gen "well drafted & deserve support" http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/d...-PI(2015)008-e

    Appears that Putin was "lying again".

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    In order to fully understand the current Russian mindset one needs to read what some of their officials have written over the last ten years--this article should be fully read to the end and then one gets a feeling for what we are now experiencing with Putin.

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/15533...l+Conspiracies

    Vladislav Surkov’s Secret Speech: How Russia Should Fight International Conspiracies

    November 29 2006 at 10:46 AM

    Created: 12.07.2005 20:19 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 17:56 MSK

    We publish the full text of a secret speech, delivered by Vladimir Putin’s top aide, the deputy head of Russia’s presidential administration, Vladislav Surkov, speaking to members of the “Delovaya Rossiya” (Business Russia) economic forum, last week. The full text of Surkov’s speech was made public on the Radio Liberty website on July 11.

    Vladislav Surkov: First, I would like to briefly identify our wishes. We wish to see Russia as a democratic state with developed economic institutes. Someone might want this out of sheer sympathy, others adhere to more pragmatic reasons, as recent world history has proven that a complex society model is more efficient, than a vertically integrated one. We have an idea of how long these processes should take. A system as complex, as our country, can not afford fast and dramatic changes. Democracy is not our only objective. We care about the Russian Federation’s sovereignty.

    Open economy and global financial networks tend to render the very notion of sovereignty obsolete. Nowadays, some schools of political thought are dominated by illusions. The success of open economy is impressive. But this does not mean that the global financial system is rock solid, or that it won’t change with time. I think, that some people, blinded by today’s results, have got it wrong. The world has to be integrated, but the value of national cultures does not decrease, it only grows instead. One has to safeguard sovereignty. There is also the immediate task of fighting terrorism, that threatens our country’s integrity, and, therefore, threatens our sovereignty. The Caucasus is [problem] number one. Unfortunately, the situation isn’t getting any better there. It is even getting worse. It looks like an underground fire. And we’ve got nothing to boast about there.

    Today we witness definite movement by Finland, Estonia and the EU on the issue of Finno-Ugrian nations. It has suddenly been discovered that we [Russia] opress them somehow. They are discriminated against in our country. And regions, where these Finno-Ugrians constitute a majority of the population, do hold a strategic amount of our oil reserves. I am not a fan of conspiracy theories. But this is obviously a premeditated system of operations [against Russia]. Last week there was a resolution in PACE about how “we” oppress the Finno-Ugric nations (the Hants, the Mansi, the Chuvash, the Komi peoples etc). These are yesterday’s schemes, and they’re evident. And I didn’t even start to mention all those “orange revolutions”, about humanitarian institutes’ activities. It’s common knowledge, that Freedom House is headed by Woolsey, who used to be the head of the CIA. It takes an idiot to believe in the humanitarian mission of this “establishment” [Surkov uses the word “kontora”, which means “office” in Russian and used to be a codename of the KGB in Soviet times]. We also should not forget, that specific circles in those countries are also pursuing similar tasks. We have to take this into account in our work.

    For instance, it is difficult for me to understand what the big difference is between the Kuchma regime (now alledgedly perceived as criminal), and the Yushchenko regime. As hard as I tried, I failed to see any difference. Apart from the fact, that some people grabbed the seats of others. Obviously, some financial streams and some assets will soon be changing hands, too. If this is a positive development, then I want to ask, what would have happened if Putin someday said: “Let’s deprivatize a couple of strategic[ally important] enterprizes.” One can imagine, what a storm of protests such a statement would provoke, both nationwide and internationally. And in the Ukraine such steps are taken quite openly. And they call it a democratic achievement. And our “rightist” leader Boris Nemtsov acts as an advisor there. This will probably ensure the stability of democratic institutions. Not to mention what we used to believe what we learned from Western [political] theory pundits — that peaceful transition of power, in the timeframe defined by Law, constitutes the core principle of democracy. And how did the governing power change in Ukraine? All the thinkable and unthinkable procedures were violated. It can hardly strengthen the Ukrainian people’s respect for democracy.

    But this was all about [our] external problems. Regardless of whatever anyone has to say on the issue, current [Russian] rulers do uphold the principle that [private] property is inalienable. I wouldn’t want to discuss the Yukos case here. But this, indeed, had nothing to do with redistribution [of property], as some tend to claim. But this is a totally different story, and it had totally different reasons. Not related to politics. Of course, it’s easy to present these reasons as political ones nowadays. Thank God, I’m doing exactly those very things myself, for which Misha [Khodorkovsky] was allegedly jailed. This is outright nonsense. I can swear to you, that if Khodorkovsky were at large, the outcome of the elections would have been the same. This corporation posed absolutely no political threat. I told him [to Khodorkovsky], that power, as well as love, can’t be bought. Thinking that a bunch of corrupt [Duma] factions can elect you prime minister is naive. He had those bizarre ideas.

    Therefore I would like to stress, that this [Yukos] process, that had wide repercussions, that was difficult and unpleasant for all of us — does not have such a plain political explanation. There were a number of factors involved. Of course, as Sergei Alexandrovich [Abramov, chairman of the Business Russia’s supervisory board] correctly stated, speaking before me, there was this task [for the Kremlin] to send a negative message to business tycoons. They’ve got it all wrong if they think that they can do what they please. From the very start we kept saying, that we won’t tolerate [this approach]. We won’t allow a small bunch of companies to exercise power in this country. This is not democracy. Apart from that small bunch of people, there are also 140 million “poor relatives”, living in this country. And their opinion should be also taken into account. In our business people like to say “I come from the business background myself”. There is a memorable quote by one of the U.S. presidents, who said: “What’s good for GM, is good for America”. I would like to remind, that both the Roosevelt brothers had a somewhat different view of [big] business. I won’t even quote them, in order not to offend anyone present here. But even the trade secretary in JFK’s government used to say: “Sometimes, it’s this way, but sometimes it’s the other way round.” Sometimes, what’s good for General Motors is not good at all.

    That is why our position is open here, too. We consider it an incorrect situation when several big companies are ordering about state personnel. I have worked in big companies, myself. I know how it is done and I know what I am talking about. Evidently, it does not mean that we must ignore the opinions of business. But a normal, civilized form must be worked out. We understand it clearly that the best intellectual resources and staff etc. are concentrated in business. It is our national property. It is the base of the political class that must take the first place in the country. Not direct the country but take first place. At the same time, we adhere to the idea of the property stability. If there are exaggerations in the regions, it means that both law enforcement structures and various people extort something, try to make something, this is a disease in the whole of society. Of course, things such as the Yukos case can create a negative atmosphere. But both the president and other top officials are trying to prevent it. At this stage many things depend on the active position of business, on its active self-defense, because there is no need to look toward the state only.

    CONTINUED……………………………………………………

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Stakhanov 1:04PM
    "Where are they firing?" https://twitter.com/StakhanovUA/stat...11274326876160

    13:28 #Lysychansk @lis_ukrop One can hear artillery once and again

    Russia proxy Zakharchenko threatens war to take over #Donetsk oblast, #Ukraine. In line with Putin on 19th June. http://ria.ru/world/20150624/1085762...#ixzz3e3czsclA

    Situation in #Donbas worsens: Shyrokine under fire of 152 mm howitzers.
    http://fb.me/3NSDrfAU5

    Russian TV reporter standing in front of sign telling Russian TV to go to hell now trending. #ElectricYerevan pic.twitter.com/ah7TVGD9mS

    12:53 #Donetsk @relictDon One can hear intense battle in the northwest

    12:15 #Makeevka @VasyaMakeevskiy Massive volleys (single and double) in the northern city part like #Yasinovka-#Zemlyanka

    11:47 #Donetsk Izumrud @Serzzze [fb] One can hear volleys, but not that loud, air vibrates

    12:21 #Makeevka Vostochny @Serzzze For the latest 1/2hr I can hear distinct gunnery

    Russian army equipment shipped towards Ukrainian border http://empr.media/video/conflict-zon...rainian-border … pic.twitter.com/qu2J5EZ90y

    DPR head threatens with war if they don't get all the Donetsk region in a peaceful way
    http://24tv.ua/news/showNews.do?tero...9&tag=ukrayina

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Acc to SBU, #RedCross trucks & car were attacked by militants near Berezove village at Donetsk-Volnovakha road.

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Ukrainian authorities facilitated passage of #RedCross aid – food and drugs – via Buhas and Zaytseve checkpoints.

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    SBU prevented smuggling of food & alcohol to militant-controlled territories. Soldiers that convoyed cargo detained.

    Ukrainian soldiers of "Donbass" Battalion destroyed enemy firing points near Mariupol http://www.mariupol.tv/news/war/mari...ariupolem.html … via @Mariupol_TV
    Putin and his FM constantly complain about the lack of "humanitarian aid" to the Donbass THEN this happens--seems they are not interested in "humanitarian aid".

    DPR militants attack humanitarian convoy of Red Cross mission, says SBU
    http://www.unian.info/society/109373...-says-sbu.html … pic.twitter.com/3gFBtsRBgE

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    Ukrainian soldiers repelled militants’ attack in Shyrokyne, – Sector M press officer http://24today.net/open/454201

    NATO SecGen: Despite the many challenges it faces, #Ukraine is making remarkable progress:
    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/op...ectedLocale=en … pic.twitter.com/it0IXEahvT

    Canada is ready to supply Ukraine with lethal weapons, but it will not act alone - Canadian Defence Ministerhttp://world.lb.ua/news/2015/06/25/3...t_ukraine.html

    Light weapons seized by SBU in #Mykolayiv interesting suppressed revolver #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/AKLGH4VQDI
    SBU detained criminals who altered firearms in Mykolaev region

    This is a perfect example of someone calling the kettle black who is black themselves.

    Zakharchenko called Yanukovych a traitor pic.twitter.com/29ySCsCrNN http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/25-june...ych-a-traitor-

    14:51 #Donetsk Kalinovka @Serzzze Few heavy single volleys in the north

    Whole new definition of what a “warfighter” is or is not?????

    25 kg of explosives were found in house of 80-year-old grandmother in the Donetsk region
    pic.twitter.com/ntPmLOTzl3 http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/25-june...nd-in-house-of

    This should have been done over a year ago –as an aggressor then Russia cannot participate in the OSCE SMM in the Ukraine, in PACE, must leave the JCCC and will have to pay for war damages.

    Today the PACE will vote for the recognition of Russia as aggressor pic.twitter.com/wSVMcmXefW http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/25-june...he-recognition

    Border guards and soldiers have detected flight of 7 drones in he Donetsk and Luhansk regions http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/25-june...nted-flight-of

    NATO warns about risk of resumption of heavy fighting in Donbas
    http://www.unian.info/world/1093723-...in-donbas.html … pic.twitter.com/DKUyliBihM

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    EU/NATO make public plans to counter Russian propaganda and THEN we get this response from the Russian Foreign Minister.


    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #EU violates the right to freedom of speech, forming conditions for total discrimination against Russian media http://tass.ru/en/russia/803709


    EU violates right to freedom of speech — Russian Foreign Ministry

    Russia
    June 24, 21:33 UTC+3

    Mogherini's proposals on the development of a ‘strategy to counter the Kremlin’s propaganda’ is clearly aimed to oust Russian presence in the international media environment, the ministry says



    This is now the third propaganda concept Russia is now employing;
    1. the 4Ds and 2Ds
    2. the reverse flip meaning I say you are doing something first then I actually do what I claim you are doing

    NOW--the next concept---I can do things BUT then demand you cannot do them.
    One of the major myths that Russia just keeps on repeating is that a junta threw out the previous Ukrainian President --supported naturally by the US and the CIA--

    BUT Russia seems to "forget this one minor detail"----

    "virtually everything that happened during the final days of the Maidan was in accordance with the Ukrainian constitution

    AND totally supported by even the political party of the then President--Party of Regions.

    The second myth Russia keeps talking about is the EU Association Treaty which they claim is aimed at damaging the Russian economy---

    BUT what they do not say is that the EU crafted the agreement to fully incorporate the current Ukrainian Russian trade agreements thus not designed to damage Russia in anyway.

    THAT is why when Russia submitted their proposed changes to the Association Treaty the EU Commission simply rejected it and told Russia to not come back with any suggested changes.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-25-2015 at 12:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Putin made in his press conference speech at the Economic Forum in St Petersburg a reference that the Ukraine should do the "special zone for the mercenaries constitutional changes" in order to get talks going--BUT he kept also referring to his form of "federalization" and claiming that the Ukraine was doing nothing on their side.

    Seems that in fact the Ukraine submitted their proposed "decentralization plans" to the Venice Commission for review ------

    Take note, Russia: Venice comm on Ukraine draft const amdmts: a few chgs, but gen "well drafted & deserve support" http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/d...-PI(2015)008-e

    Appears that Putin was "lying again".
    THEN this Russian news agency press release from Interfax from today---NOTICE just how they spin the Venice decision.

    LPR: Draft amendments to Ukrainian constitution do not lay foundation for settling conflict in southeast

    MOSCOW. June 25 (Interfax) - The authorities of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) share the opinion of the Venice Commission that the constitutional amendments proposed by Ukraine will not ensure the resolution of the conflict in the southeast, LPR negotiator in the Contact Group Vladislav Deinego has said.

    "The opinion of the [Venice] Commission that the suggested draft amendments do not lay a constitutional foundation for proposals aimed to resolve the conflict is fully shared by us," he told the Luhansk information center.

    Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) negotiator in the Contact Group for Ukraine Denis Pushilin said earlier that of the Council of Europe's Venice Commission that published conclusions on draft amendments to the Ukrainian Constitution regarding decentralization "directly pointed out that the Ukrainian draft of the amendments was missing approaches and articles that could enable Kyiv to fulfill the Minsk agreements and decisions of the 'Normandy Four'".

    The conclusions were drawn from comments by Venice Commission members Hanna Suchocka (Poland) and Carlo Tuori (Finland) and expert, representative of the Council of Europe's Congress of Local and Regional Authorities Alain Delcamp.

    The document said that the conclusions were preliminary.
    WHAT the Russian propagandists failed to mention is what the Ukraine submitted was the necessary changes to allow all of the Ukraine regions to "decentralize" including the mercenary zones and that the "decentralization" was fully correct as it applied to the Ukrainian Constitution.

    Minsk 2 does not explicitly state what the "special zone constitution changes" should look like only that there is to be a special zone change--what was submitted in fact totally supports Minsk 2.

    It is just that Russia and her mercenaries wanted "federalization" not decentralization". "Federalization" in Putin speak means the zones could have a veto right over anything the central government wanted to do and they could conduct and sign agreements with Russia directly--actually it is the Bosnian model that they want.

    The proposed "Bosnian model" would give Russia total control over the Ukraine.

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    Russia is so massively afraid the truth will come out concerning her troops in the Ukraine as polling indicates this is a rather sore topic for Russians themselves and if it does come out he is in serious trouble.

    Russia internet regulator has demanded these two archive caches stored in Russia be fully and totally deleted.

    Archive Org and Google Search Cache - places, where killed Russian soldiers "live" https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/614050665179029504

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    Russian Air Force activity (Su-27 fighters) in Gulf of Finland via @uascan pic.twitter.com/jRzCWS2pfn

    NATO to offer more aid to Ukraine, but no offensive weapons http://stripes.com/1.354534

    Numbers-Stations.com @Spy_Stations
    4625 Khz Buzzer erratic behavior turning on and off

    A new Russian ideology is forming and "the Jews" have a leading role - http://mosaicmagazine.com/observatio...-russian-idea/

    Lysenko: No soldiers killed or injured in last day
    http://www.unian.info/war/1093783-ly...-last-day.html … pic.twitter.com/LD5aDMB46j

    Donetsk monument to Women Workers of WW II destroyed by DNR https://youtu.be/5nRVjWKcs1w via @YouTube

    '@newsburko Neo-Nazism in Novorossiya/New Russia: Draw a swastika, write "RUS" and make a photo! pic.twitter.com/LbTpfAX86K

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    In order to fully understand the current Russian mindset one needs to read what some of their officials have written over the last ten years--this article should be fully read to the end and then one gets a feeling for what we are now experiencing with Putin.

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/15533...l+Conspiracies

    Vladislav Surkov’s Secret Speech: How Russia Should Fight International Conspiracies

    November 29 2006 at 10:46 AM

    Created: 12.07.2005 20:19 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 17:56 MSK
    Bulgaria expelled Putin's adviser Surkov after he lied about his purpose of visit & EU imposed a lifetime ban on him entering Schengen area

    REMEMBER Surkov is also Putin's personally selected representative into the Russia mercenaries and was in Donetsk just before this round of heavy fighting broke out.

    It is also rumored he was the one pulling the strings behind the scenes in the early days of the Donbass take over by the mercenaries.

    At least that is being stated by Strelkov aka Girkin.

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    Racist Group Cited By Charleston Shooting Suspect Attended Pro-Putin Conference http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/ra...ldqpgc#4ldqpgc … pic.twitter.com/uXbXZY4bfi

    This was a meeting of most of the European and Russian fascist and neo Nazi and right wing nationalist groups and political parties.

    Asked what to do if little green men snuck across their border Estonia's chief of staff said: “We will shoot them.” http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/24...html?referrer=

    NATO Refocuses on the Kremlin, Its Original Foe http://nyti.ms/1Iwj38k

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    Exclusive: Mother urges Russia not to abandon son captured in Ukraine

    Reuters

    By Maria Tsvetkova

    ROZHKI, Russia (Reuters) - The mother of a Russian soldier captured in Ukraine says her son never told her he was quitting the army, raising doubt about Kremlin assertions that the soldier was no longer serving when he crossed the frontier.

    Zinaida Alexandrova, 58, says she has avoided watching Russian TV since she learnt from a news broadcast that her son was wounded fighting in east Ukraine and taken prisoner.

    Russia denies sending troops to help separatist fighters in east Ukraine and says Alexander Alexandrov and his commander, Captain Yevgeny Yerofeyev, had quit their special forces unit to go there on their own.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said they were both ordinary Russian civilians held captive. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says the government has not abandoned the two men.

    Alexandrov told Reuters in an interview from his bed in a Kiev hospital late last month that he was on active duty with the Russian special forces when he was sent to Ukraine.

    "I wrote no resignation request," he said. "I was carrying out my orders."

    The case, and others like it, have helped cast doubt on President Vladimir Putin's denials that Russian troops and weapons are being sent to Ukraine. Russia has suggested the men, who are heavily guarded in hospital, may be under pressure from Kiev over what they say.

    Speaking publicly about her son's case for the first time, his mother said he had never told her of any plans to quit the army.

    "No, he said nothing," she said in an interview in her house in the rural village of Rozhki 350 km (215 miles) north of Togliatti, the town on the River Volga where her son served before going to Ukraine.

    "Whether or not he quit without informing us, the government must not leave him to fend for himself ... I don't know what they (the authorities) are doing. They don't tell me anything."

    She added: "I don't watch television at all after this. I just can't. Who can you believe?"

    Alexandrov was captured on May 16 and has been charged by the Ukrainian authorities with terrorism. The soldiers have denied the charge, and say they did not kill anyone.

    Alexandrov, 28, says he believes the Russian authorities pressured his wife Yekaterina, who serves in the human resources department of the same military unit, to tell Russian state television that he had quit before fighting in east Ukraine.

    His mother, a slim woman who looks younger than her years, says her daughter-in-law had said nothing to her about Alexandrov quitting: "There was no such talk."

    Reuters was unable to speak to Alexandrov's wife, who did not answer telephone calls.

    FEELING DISOWNED

    Ukraine and NATO countries say hundreds of Russian soldiers have fought on behalf of pro-Moscow separatists in Eastern Ukraine in a war in which 6,400 people have been killed. Moscow says any Russian soldiers on Ukrainian territory or captured by Kiev's forces are either volunteers or crossed the border by accident. Some, it has said, were on holiday.

    Zinaida Alexandrova sighed when she listened to the recording of the interview her son gave Reuters, in which he said that it was hurtful to hear from Moscow that he was no longer a serviceman.

    Alexandrov's father Anatoly, a retired major, served in the Soviet aviation border guard and briefly fought in the 1979-1989 Soviet-Afghan war. He declined to be interviewed.

    Alexandrova has not spoken to her son, whose leg was shattered in a gun battle, since he was captured. He says he has tried to call her from different numbers.

    "I used to hang up because the numbers were unfamiliar. What if it was the SBU (Ukrainian security service) making threats? I have no contact with anyone. How would I know it was Sasha?" she said, using the diminutive form of her son's name.

    Alexandrova said she wanted Moscow to do more to help her son and his comrade-in-arms, "to get them out of there".

    "I just want my son back soon," she said

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Exclusive: Mother urges Russia not to abandon son captured in Ukraine

    Reuters

    By Maria Tsvetkova
    It does not speak well of a countries' leaders when they openly abandon their own elite soldiers.

    Have noticed a markedly decrease in the effectiveness of Spetsnaz attacks on Ukrainian positions--can it be that the abandonment of one of their own is giving them second thoughts?

    Ukrainian units have been rather successful in defending themselves against Spetsnaz attacks.

    youtube.com/watch?v=CXjKDIyNlx0 …
    Intense Avdiivka encounter. Ukrainian paratroopers v. Russian recon&sabotage unit. pic.twitter.com/9vgShQ00yk
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    This was a critical decision----only took over a year for this….

    PACE officially recognized the fact of Russian aggression in Ukraine
    pic.twitter.com/04i4APPFKG http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/25-june...ian-aggression

    Frontline action in #Shyrokyne from Babylon 13 / Spirit of the Nation https://youtu.be/HG-PCE5n87c via

    20:59 #Mariupol @sir_T_Lawrence Cannonade lasts, waiting for UKR reply

    21:00 #Mariupol @PVB40 [fb] "Not quiet yet"

    Militants have fired at Ukrainian positions 35 times during the day - press center of ATO pic.twitter.com/nB58L73q6j http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/25-june...tions-35-times

    VIDEO Busy cross section in Donetsk where Russian T-72 come and go.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2PGtwm12wU
    https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0423.../data=!3m1!1e3

    #Footage
    6 Russian invasion T-64BV during training in #Luhansk province.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHe_XR_jGEQ
    pic.twitter.com/NYbi3MeL9b

    And Russia's Hybrid Army keeps training and training in Ukraine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHe_XR_jGEQ

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    Kiselev was LPR Deputy Defence Minister. Now "Deputy Commander of the Second Army Corps" LPR armed forces. Whatever. pic.twitter.com/i2h9BVGpUP

    Revisiting #Ukraine city of Ilovaisk, scene of horrific massacre in August
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv...st-392011.html … pic.twitter.com/M8e7ohOCp7

    youtube.com/watch?v=ciRMhxVBUbk … Fr #Saratov, #Russia, in #Ukraine to finish 'Nazi Merika,' 'unfinished business since 1945' pic.twitter.com/Q2BiXAdRyd

    Russian military base in Stakhanov pic.twitter.com/iLVdB3ckJz http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/25-june...e-in-stakhanov

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    https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/06...ns-and-bribery

    Drugs, guns and bribery Russian crime rate on the rise as volunteer fighters return from eastern Ukraine

    Last year in November, three senior lieutenants from Russia’s traffic police were killed near a town called Perepechino just outside of Moscow. They had stopped an SUV, and the people in the car had opened fire. The killers took the police car’s video camera and fled the scene. A search was announced. It turned out that all of them had participated in fighting alongside the separatists in eastern Ukraine, and none of them have been apprehended. This is the most famous case of war returnees finding themselves on the wrong side of the law, and there are other cases like it. Meduza asked Ilya Rozhdestvensky to sift through the Interior Ministry’s statistics and dozens of court cases from the last year and a half and explain how former fighters for the Ukrainian separatists have been keeping themselves busy since they came home to Russia.
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    Since April 2015, the number of recorded crimes in Russia has grown by 2.5 percent. Russia’s Southern Federal District holds the dubious honor of the biggest increases. In Rostov Region, the number of recorded crimes increased by 23.4 percent, in Adygea by 19.2 percent. Kalmykia and Volgograd Regions have seen increases of 7.8 percent, and Krasnodar has seen crime increase by 10.4 percent. Crime has fallen only in Astrakhan region (by 8 percent). In 2014, all crime figures were far more modest, with only Krasnodar seeing an increase by 7.5 percent that year. The other regions with the biggest crime increases this year weren’t even among the top 15 most criminal regions in 2014.

    Judging by these statistics, the Southern Federal District’s proximity to Donbas, the war-torn breakaway region of Ukraine, may be taking its toll. Fighting has gradually subsided following the battle for Debaltseve in January and February of 2015, and Russian supporters of the Ukrainian self-proclaimed republics are trickling home, taking their weapons with them. This is obvious from the sheer number of weapons caches found in Rostov region in Russia. Grenades and other weapons are now being used by criminals as a form of currency.

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    The most popular crime committed by returning volunteers is the illegal weapons trade. For example, in mid-February 2015, a local court in Rostov Region sentenced a Russian citizen, listed in the documents as G.I. Appelgants, to three years behind bars. A few months earlier, Appelganets was found to be in possession of an impressive arsenal: two AK-74 assault rifles, a Dragunov sniper rifle, a single-shot GP-25 underbarrel grenade launcher, and about 1,000 rounds of 5.45mm ammunition. Appelgants pled guilty, but asked for leniency, as he had brought humanitarian aid to the people of Donbas, and had taken part as a volunteer in military operations on the territory of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic. The judge, Levon Melkonyan, did not consider this a mitigating factor. A man named S.S. Zakayev, who had fought in the ranks of the Donetsk People’s Republic, was slightly less well-equipped: a search revealed he had an AKS-74 with an underbarrel grenade launcher and about 250 rounds of ammunition. The judge at Matveyevo-Kurgan Court, Nadezhda Gritsenko, sentenced Zakayev to three years and one month behind bars.

    The most common weapon found in possession of separatist fighters returning to the motherland is the Makarov pistol. This was the case with a man named A.O. Bokovoi, who was stopped at a traffic checkpoint. When he was searched, police found he had not only a pistol and ammunition, but also detonators and 11 grenades. Bokovoi himself said that he planned to go to St Petersburg to buy uniforms for his comrades. In court, the accused stated that if he had known he had grenades in his bag, he would not have brought them with him across the border; instead, he would have turned back and given them to the separatists. Bokovoi was sentenced to three years in jail. As he read the sentence, Judge Leonid Stepanenko did not fail to mention the motivation of the accused: “He joined the ranks of the militia to fight fascism, as he didn’t want fascists to reach the territory of Belarus and Russia.”

    In May 2015, this same judge was handed the case of K.K. Pilipenko. The accused maintained that he was bringing humanitarian aid to the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic, however, when his car was searched, a box of detonators was found. Pilipenko got an 18 month suspended sentence and was later amnestied. At the hearing, a witness testified that Pilipenko was helping a Lugansk People’s Republic battalion, which was allegedly stationed on Russian territory at the time.

    A man named Muravyov was also caught trafficking a Makarov pistol. Standing before Sergei Kopylov, a judge at a local Rostov court, he never actually denied the charges. He said that he was a member of the separatist militia and his duties included bringing in cargo and medical supplies. While military operations were underway in Donetsk, he was given a weapon and body armor. He crossed the Russian border on more than one occasion to bring insulin to back to the city. In order to bring in humanitarian aid, he always got permission from an FSB lieutenant colonel fist. The judge took the fact that Muravyov was in the Donetsk People’s Republic militia into account, and thus reduced his charges, sentencing him to four months in a medium security prison.

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    Service in the ranks of the Donetsk People’s Republic and Lugansk People’s Republic is one of the main mitigating factors pleaded by former separatists who claimed they were innocent. For example, S.E. Vakulenko, who practically started a full-blown brawl on the streets of the city of Taganrog, declared in court that he wouldn’t admit his guilt as he had “accidentally crossed the Russian border, hadn’t used bad language and was a militia member in the Donetsk People’s Republic.” It’s hard to say why he decided these factors would affect his sentence positively, but Judge Mikhail Dzyuba wasn’t convinced, and jailed Vakulenko for seven days. A certain A.L. (mentioned in the records only by initials) also didn’t manage to convince a judge in Kusyovshaya Court. He was accused of possession of nine grams of cannabis. He maintained that he should be released for a number of reasons, including the fact that he had taken part in the fighting on the territory of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic and was wounded in the right forearm and left testicle.

    Some former separatists have had more luck beyond Rostov Region. E.V. Venediktov managed to convince a Novgorod court that he had actively helped the people of eastern Ukraine and brought them humanitarian aid. Venediktov still plead guilty to possession of cannabis and got a three-year suspended sentence. A.P. Volkov told a judge that he had exceeded the speed limit by 80 kilometers per hour as he was rushing to bring medicine to eastern Ukraine. Ultimately, he had to pay a fine of 5,000 rubles ($95), but was allowed to keep his license.

    Another incident on the roads ended much more spectacularly. In mid-February 2015, a Kamaz truck drove straight through a barrier at a checkpoint on the Ukraine-Russia border into Russia. Russian OMON riot police and Rostov’s FSB secret services chased the truck. They opened fire on the tires, but managed to stop the truck only in a place where the road had been blocked off by another large vehicle (or, according to some reports, an armored personnel carrier). The three people arrested turned out to be under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. They stated that they were militia members though one later claimed he had been their captive, which surprised the law enforcement agents as they had never seen a captive so thoroughly armed to the teeth before. The fate of the three men is unknown.

    A Ukrainian citizen, A.M. Badei, also had a run-in with law enforcement. In early May of 2015, he tried to cross the River Kamenka in his car to enter Russian territory. He failed to do this, however, as he was spotted by FSB border guards. They blocked the path of his vehicle and opened fire. After warning shots failed to stop the car, which nearly drove into the guards, they shot out its tires. As a result, Badei put the car in reverse and returned to Ukrainian territory. Later, the Lugansk People’s Republic police recommended he go to a border crossing to try and smooth out the situation. Upon arrival, Badei was arrested and brought before a magistrate, where he was sentenced to 10 days in jail.

    ***

    Drug-related crime is also “popular” among former separatists. Aside from the cases of E.V. Venediktov and A.L. mentioned above, our investigation covered several other interesting cases. For example, in January, a Donetsk People’s Republic fighter known as E.V. Kulikov, finding himself in the town of Matveyev-Kurgan in Rostov Region, went into a cafe, bought juice, and consumed desomorphine, a cocktail of cannabis and amphetamines known by the street name “Krokodil.” This led to Kulikov spending five days in jail.

    Things ended on a far more negative note for S.N. Pivnev, who was found in possession of 1.79 grams of N-Methylphenylamine, а designer drug with effects similar to amphetamine. He told detectives that he had bought drugs for the first time in his life. He had come back from the Lugansk People’s Republic where he had been fighting; he had seen his friend die right before his eyes and had watched a car full of people explode. “He experienced massive psychological trauma. He was unable to find peace, and, at the advice of acquaintances, he acquired the substance for his own personal use,” reads the final statement of the Kirov Court in Omsk. Pivnev received 18 months in prison.

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    VIDEO One of the underground blown-up bunkers of Donetsk Chemical Factory.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOKqzdZ7C6E

    Serbian DPR-sniper Dejan Beric about @OSCE director Dačić: he is Serbian, ours... He has driven Serbia into war. pic.twitter.com/uH1eGJr5Or

    Guardian columnist Jonathan Steele plays useful idiot on RT.
    https://youtu.be/BtBufgfdw3c pic.twitter.com/uqg65cZfdn

    Source interview with Serbian sniper Dejan Beric: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFohWduwU5c

    youtube.com/watch?v=qUDTtiitYPo … #Russian paratroopers laugh at APC parachute fail/possible deaths at Ulan-Ude,#Russia,drills pic.twitter.com/uOW5kDBKMM

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    One has to admit that the Russian disinformation and propaganda campaign is actually quite good--they shifted on a dime for Armenia.

    They were running out of topics for the Ukraine but seemed to have found new topics for Armenia.

    US trained professional protestors at a Czech base to repeat Maidan in Yerevan. Nuland involved."
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    Russian disinformation agency NTV reports "US may be behind Yerevan protests"
    https://twitter.com/rentvchannel/sta...27313480749056

    Armenia is part of my country, Russia. Their Maidan must be crushed at all costs. Like Tienanmen, for example" pic.twitter.com/HiKJcHp2QO

    2 Russian propaganda moguls of Armenian descent: "Armenia w/o Russia is the death of the nation."
    #ElectricYerevan pic.twitter.com/zIu0XoZyla

    Armenia youth protests were years in the making. Ppl want a govt that listens and is accountable. http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-2...e-years-making … #ElectricYerevan
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    Dmitry Tymchuk: Military update 6.24

    Posted on June 25, 2015

    06.24.2015 Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Operational data from Information Resistance:

    Russian-terrorist forces in Donbas continue actively shelling the positions of Ukrainian troops and civilian objects, including with the use of heavy weaponry. There is no apparent unified concept behind active operations by the “DNR / LNR” groups [Donetsk and Luhansk Peoples’ Republics, respectively], nor any obvious attempts to carry out tactical-level missions – only the insurgents’ desire to achieve tactical success in several areas. In most cases, shellings are chaotic in nature and designed to maintain destabilization along the demarcation line.

    For example, in the vicinity of Opytne, insurgents are trying to force the advanced units of Ukrainian troops to move behind the Koltseva road [circular highway] by using heavy mortar fire from 82-and 120-mm mortars.

    Between Pisky and Opytne, a maneuvering terrorist armored group consisting of several armored fighting vehicles was spotted once again. Insurgents have opened fire from APC [armored personnel carriers] and IFV [infantry fighting vehicles] weapons on the positions of the ATO forces several times over the past 24 hours.

    In the vicinity of Mar’inka (on the front line), an armored group (two tanks and two AFVs) was also spotted, operating under cover of insurgent mortar units (only AFVs opened fire from 30-mm automatic guns). At the same time, enemy snipers opened fire on the positions of the ATO forces.

    Activity by Russian-terrorist groups has been observed in the vicinity of the Svitlodarsk bridgehead. The enemy used ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft guns, large-caliber machine guns and AGS-17 grenade launchers (shelling the ATO forces positions near Svitlodarsk). Insurgents use 120-mm mortars in this area, as well as in the area between Luhanske and Rozsadky. Maneuvers by an enemy armored group (three or four ACVs, which did not fire [at the time]) were also observed in the vicinity of Luhanske.

    On the stretch between Zolote and Novotoshkivka, insurgents actively use 152-mm artillery. Under cover of artillery fire in this area, terrorists attempt to send their sabotage and reconnaissance groups into the tactical rear of the ATO forces (checkpoint #29 – Novotoskivka). An enemy MLRS unit also continues to operate in this area.

    In the direction towards Shchastya – Stanytsia Luhanska, terrorists actively shell the positions of Ukrainian troops in order to identify the firing system of checkpoints and bases of the ATO forces. Attacks are carried out from small arms and 82-mm mortar rounds, sometimes from 120-mm mortars.

    In the coastal areas, insurgents use small arms, AGS-17 grenade launchers, and 82-mm mortars in attempts to provoke advanced positions of the ATO forces to retaliate with heavy weaponry. [Insurgents] are also firing from the “neutral zone.” Similar provocative fire strikes on the positions of Ukrainian troops have been observed immediately before the arrival of the OSCE inspectors to the front edge of the [frontline], which suggests that terrorists possess information about the movement of SMM OSCE patrols.

    In the Kuibyshev district of Donetsk, an insurgent tank unit (four tanks) and a battery of 122-mm D-30 howitzers was observed moving along the “front line” towards a positions to the north of the settlement.

    An insurgent artillery division was observed moving towards Chervone (four 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers). Three more 2S1 Gvozdika howitzers were seen on the march near the settlement of Komunarivka.

    An operational and tactical command post was transferred from Yenakijeve towards Kayutyne – the convoy included a command and staff vehicle of Russian troops R-149BMR “Kushetka-B,” two KAMAZ military vehicle trailer systems, and an “Ural” [military cargo truck] accompanied by a BTR-80 armored personnel carrier.

    An insurgent armored group was observed transferring from Antratsyt and Krasnyi Luch (six tanks and several IFVs, including a “Potok-2″ command and staff vehicle).

    In the vicinity of Horlivka, terrorist artillery was observed transferring towards the village of Holmivskyi (in groups of two-three weapons). Up to ten 122-mm D-30 howitzers and up to eight 152-mm “MSTA-B” units have been transferred over the past 24 hours.

    Source: Dmitry Tymchuk FB

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    Rwanda with Rockets

    Posted on June 25, 2015

    Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not usually known for biting its tongue. Nor is the Kremlin, for that matter. And so it’s striking that two pieces of news this week – the Netherlands’ proposal for a tribunal on the downing of MH17 in eastern Ukraine, and the UK’s arrest of the Rwandan intelligence chief on war crimes charges – have elicited no reaction from Moscow.

    Remember Moscow’s reaction to the investigation into corruption at FIFA and subsequent arrests? Clearly an American plot against Russian interests, said sporting officials. Yet another instance of Washington overstepping its legal bounds and imposing its will on others, chimed in the commentators.

    And yet they’ve said nothing about the arrest of Emmanuel Karenzi Karake, on a Spanish warrant on genocide charges. When it has been reported, the reporting has been neutral, even in Kremlin-linked media – and there has been no comment, official or otherwise, from Russian sources. Meanwhile, the only official response to the Dutch proposal for a tribunal on the downing of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 – which most observers believe was brought down by a missile provided by Russia to the separatists fighting in the Donbas – has been to say “no comment“.

    Odd, given that both cases have much more at stake for Russia than the FIFA scandal. The MH17 tribunal, after all, would try to ascertain culpability, including establishing who provided the missile and who pulled the trigger; it would also, in all likelihood, look into allegations of coverups and obstruction.

    What about the Rwandan case? Russia has never taken much of an interest in that civil war or its aftermath, but the precedent is a startling one: Karenzi Karake is a high-ranking public official. If he can be arrested while in London, what’s to stop someone from arresting, say, FSB Chief Alexander Bortnikov on similar charges?

    Were charges eventually to be brought against Bortnikov or his comrades for their role in the Ukrainian conflict, the only thing that would separate him from Karenzi Karake is the political difference between Rwanda and Russia. On the one hand, you’d think that’s a pretty major difference: Rwanda is a small, poor African state with no real international power, while Russia is a large, industrialized nuclear power with a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.

    But the British didn’t arrest Karenzi Karake because they could: they did it because they were made by their public to feel that they should. The Rwandan genocide is an enduring issue of public concern in the UK, as in much of the West, and the Rwandan government is seen as both culpable and illegitimate – both because it hides its culpability, and because its democratic bona fides are weak. Right now, public opinion in the West is rapidly beginning to feel the same way about Russia and its rulers. If a tribunal convincingly establishes Moscow’s role in the MH17 downing – and, by association, the Ukrainian war more broadly – the gap between Bortnikov and Karenzi Karake, indeed between Russia and Rwanda, will narrow still further.

    It’s a sobering thought.

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    Rwanda with Rockets

    Posted on June 25, 2015
    Evidence suggests that Putin’s support may be smaller, less intense, and more volatile than it appears, however. http://imrussia.org/en/analysis/poli...h-of-putins-89

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