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    Ukraine : Another Russian forward deployment base at #Rozdolne http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=47...5&z=13&m=b&v=1 … How many AFVs can you spot? pic.twitter.com/ktWGF7H3E7

    Covering events that didn't happen, fake weather forecasts, agents-provocateurs - the bizarre world of RU propaganda http://toinformistoinfluence.com/201...ganda-is-made/

    Interestling----why are they running all night????
    06:23 #Rovenki @ZlbRvnk Trains have been running all night through till morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Ukraine : Another Russian forward deployment base at #Rozdolne http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=47...5&z=13&m=b&v=1 … How many AFVs can you spot? pic.twitter.com/ktWGF7H3E7

    Covering events that didn't happen, fake weather forecasts, agents-provocateurs - the bizarre world of RU propaganda http://toinformistoinfluence.com/201...ganda-is-made/

    Interestling----why are they running all night????
    06:23 #Rovenki @ZlbRvnk Trains have been running all night through till morning.
    This is an interesting site for information on the Russian informational warfare.

    Covering events that didn't happen, fake weather forecasts, agents-provocateurs - the bizarre world of RU propaganda http://toinformistoinfluence.com/201...ganda-is-made/

    US is immoral, unspiritual and racist country according to Russians. Yep. http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/55e3ee..._brief_news%5D

    Kremlin-controlled media much more effective than Communist agitprop: "horror" perception of US created in last years pic.twitter.com/Whee8nGDvy



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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    I started a day counter on just how long would it take the entire western mainstream media to pick up on the massive intelligence data dump done by the Ukrainian SBU and provided even in English.

    We are now through DAY 4 and not a single major media outlet has picked it up.

    NOW a very provocative question--WHO is controlling that media and FOR what reasons???? AS now the control is clearly apparent.

    This intel dump was probably the most detailed information released on the Russian direct military involvement in eastern Ukraine together with the clearly identified Russian Generals who are driving that invasion in the name of Russia/Putin.

    YET the western mainstream media is totally ignoring it.

    Since when has the MSM ever worried itself about agitating decision makers before.

    THIS is just how bad corporate media has become and they wonder why the new media is growing by leaps and bounds--they are actually driving that development by they total lack of interest in anything that does not immediately sell or is the voice of a particular backer.

    WHAT has happened to the US concept of freedom of the press and the freedom of expression??---both definitely right now not found in the MSM.

    Dear International Media, NOW DO YOUR WORK! NOW!!
    *) Article https://en.informnapalm.org/professi...visualisation/ … *) DB http://bit.ly/RussianPresenceEN … pic.twitter.com/CmHE0bHO2E
    FINALLY after DAY Four an online MSM outlet in the UK picked it up----still nothing from US media outlets.

    For those who still believe it isn't war:#Ukraine published detailed intelligence of RU troop movements&equipment http://uk.businessinsider.com/ukrain...uipment-2015-8

    You will notice in the leading sentence--"The Ukraine just published"--alludes to now but they fully published everything four days ago.

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    IF true and verified via other reporting THEN the US/EU/NATO needs to really pay close attention to this.

    This missile is definitely tactical nuclear capable and has been exercised as such in a large number of recent 2015 Russian large scale exercises.

    Russia's Iskander missile complexes spotted in Donbass http://ua.112.ua/ato/u-raioni-donets...rt-255175.html

    There had been social media comments on their being in the Ukraine--but nothing more definitive.

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    RFE/RL ✔ @RFERL
    There are more Russian generals fighting in Ukraine -- here is the complete list http://bit.ly/1PWPQZy pic.twitter.com/MrUkTiXihM

    Russia has been sending to Ukraine its "peacekeeping" troops without insignia ready to deploy. https://twitter.com/ukrainik/status/638247047318016000

    Since we are in polls, support for Crimean annexation among russians has gone from 70% to 59% acc to Levada Center http://www.bbc.com/russian/russia/20...0831_rus_press

    Contribute this decline to buyers remorse----

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    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.de/...owed-1990.html

    Sunday, August 30, 2015

    Tatarstan has Never Disavowed 1990 Declaration of Sovereignty, Akhmetov Says

    Paul Goble
    Staunton, August 30 – Twenty-five years ago today, the Supreme Soviet of the Tatar Soviet Socialist Republic – it had already dispensed with the hated word “autonomous” – voted unanimously with only one abstention for a Declaration of State Sovereignty of Tatarstan, a declaration that it has never disavowed, Ra#### Akhmetov says.

    And thus despite all the moves against the republic taken by Boris Yeltsin and even more by Vladimir Putin, that declaration, the editor of Zvezda Povolzhya argues, continues to provide the basis of hope for the future (“25 let,” Zvezda Povolzhya, no. 31 (759), August 27-September 2, 2015, p. 1).

    What is perhaps more intriguing, even some who oppose the Tatarstan project are saying on this anniversary that what Tatarstan did a generation ago and what is leaders and people continue to do may become the basis for the transformation not just of that Middle Volga republic but of the Russian Federation as a whole.

    In his lead article, Akhmetov says that the adoption of the Declaration of State Sovereignty was “a turning point in the history of the republic” because it asserted both Tatarstan’s ownership of its natural resources and the supremacy of Tatarstan laws over Moscow’s.

    He acknowledges that Tatarstan was able to do this because it successfully exploited the tensions between Boris Yeltsin who wanted to take the RSFSR out from under Soviet control and Mikhail Gorbachev who wanted to weaken Yeltsin by promoting the so-called “parade of sovereignties” within the Russian republic.

    Twenty-five years later, many even in Tatarstan treat this event as of only historical interest. After all, they say, Russia’s Constitutional Court has declared it null and void, and Moscow especially under Putin has gutted most of its key provisions. But that is a mistake, Akhmetov says, because the Declaration laid the groundwork for Tatarstan’s special status.

    Not only did the Russian Constitutional Court not exist when Tatarstan adopted the declaration, something that makes its ruling problematic, the Kazan editor says; but “Tatarstan did not sign the Federative Treaty with Russia,” as did all other republics except Chechnya, but only an agreement on the delimitation of powers and responsibilities.

    Moreover, in 1992, the people of Tatarstan in a referendum “confirmed the status of the declaration,” and most important, “the Parliament of Tatarstan up do now has no disavowed the Declaration of Sovereignty,” even though it has removed the word from the republic’s constitution under pressure from Moscow.

    As long as Yeltsin was Russian president, the leaders of Tatarstan as a result of their pragmatic approach were able to maintain most of the provisions of the 1990 Declaration. But then Putin came to power and “Tatarstan sovereignty ended,” with the republic reduced from what had been virtually “confederal” relations with Moscow to those of “an autonomy.”

    The Kremlin leader continues to chip away at what the Tatars have done, most recently by launching a campaign suggesting that the Tatarstan leadership is fundamentally corrupt, a charge Moscow can make only by distorting the facts, claiming for instance that the number of slot machines in Tatarstan is greater than the total number in the Russian Federation.

    According to Akhmetov, Tatars can see through this and recognize that what is going on is the setting of the stage for a raider attack on Tatneft by Putin’s Rosneft like the one Moscow carried out in Bashkortostan. And they can give “an effective rebuff” to this by voting overwhelmingly for the current president of Tatarstan, Rustam Minnikhanov.

    That the Tatar editor should consider the 1990 Declaration important is no surprise, but what is striking is that some who can hardly be called friends of that Middle Volga republic see Tatarstan’s continuing ability to take a position at odds with the center as a possible trigger of a new round of “perestroika’ in the Russian Federation.

    In a commentary on Forum-MSK.org, left-wing commentator Sergey Gupalo suggests it would be a mistake to ignore what stands behind Tatar celebrations of this anniversary because despite everything Putin has done, Tatarstan alone retains the office of president, something even Chechnya hasn’t been able to do (forum-msk.org/material/region/10969431.html).

    Tatarstan’s ability to maintain itself in this way reflects Kazan’s development of economic and political ties to foreign countries; and those ties, the communist commentator says, help to explain why one feels “more than anywhere else the breathe of an approaching new perestroika,” one that may be liberal or otherwise depending on events.

    Among the intelligentsia in Tatarstan, he says, one feels the same spirit that one felt at the end of Soviet times, the view that “’one can’t continue to live this way anymore.’” Gupalo writes that he experienced that in the years before 1991 in Ukraine; now, he feels the same thing in Tatarstan.

    And he says that on the basis of those experiences, he “sees direct parallels between the crisis of the late USSR and the crisis of present-day Russian Federation,” even though no specific actions have yet been taken in Tatarstan. But the shift in attitudes there like the shift in attitudes in Ukraine 25 years ago suggests that they will be forthcoming.

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    https://euobserver.com/opinion/130040

    Opinion

    EU needs to step up its game in Ukraine

    By Fredrik Wesslau

    BRUSSELS, Today, 09:28

    The situation in Ukraine looks increasingly grim. The war in Donbas has intensified. And Moscow shows no sign of ending its support for its proxy rebels or withdrawing troops and heavy weapons from eastern Ukraine.

    The EU's relations with Russia and its eastern neighbours are on the agenda when EU foreign ministers and the high representative gather in Luxembourg on 4-5 September for their post-summer Gymnich.

    This discussion comes not a day too soon. The EU needs to urgently step up its game in Ukraine - or risk losing it. Here's what it needs to do.

    Increase support for Ukraine reform

    The most pressing challenge for Ukraine is not on the battlefield but in carrying out its massive reform agenda. The EU has provided substantial support to political and economic reform in Ukraine since the crisis began. Yet more is needed, especially in the area of macro-financial assistance.

    Ukraine avoided imminent default thanks to the agreement reached last week with private creditors to write off 20 percent of $18 billion of debt. But Ukraine still needs significantly more financing to stabilise the hryvnia and replenish its foreign reserves.

    Since the Maidan protests, only three member states have given bilateral loans. The European Commission has provided € 2.2 billion in loans to Ukraine.

    This is not enough.

    If the EU is serious about wanting Ukraine’s reform to succeed, the commission and member states must provide further loans to shore up Ukraine’s economy. Default would be devastating for Ukraine’s reform efforts and could lead to political instability.

    Robust security arrangements

    The ceasefire provisions in the Minsk agreement have proven inadequate to contain the fighting.

    The OSCE mission reports daily shelling and clashes. The recent flare-up is the most serious since the Minsk agreement was signed in February. Almost 7,000 people have been killed since fighting began; some 1.4 million people have fled their homes.

    The EU should press for more robust security arrangements.

    The EU should also take another look at the possibility of a UN peacekeeping force for Ukraine. The OSCE monitoring mission plays an important role in reporting on ceasefire violations and as a deterrent on the warring parties. But this deterrence is weak especially since the separatists regularly deny the mission access to Donetsk and Luhansk.

    A UN peacekeeping force mandated with traditional separation-of-forces tasks, such as supervising the buffer zone on both sides of the line of contact, would provide greater deterrence and stabilisation.

    Russia has blocked previous attempts to obtain a UN Security Council mandate for a peacekeeping operation. But this is no reason to not try again.

    If Moscow, as it says, wants peace then it should have to explain why a peacekeeping force would not contribute to this. Using peacekeepers from Belarus might be an acceptable option for Moscow.

    Implementation of Minsk agreement

    It is not only the ceasefire that is regularly being violated. The Minsk agreement’s political provisions also risk not being implemented. The EU should increase overall support for implementation and take a clear position on the agreement's various elements.

    One of the main challenges over the next few weeks will be dealing with local elections in Donbas.

    The agreement stipulates that local elections should be held under Ukrainian law, in accordance with relevant OSCE standards, and monitored by OSCE/ODIHR. The Moscow-controlled separatists, however, have declared that they will hold parallel elections outside Ukraine’s constitutional and legal framework.

    This would clearly be a violation of the Minsk agreement. It is also highly unlikely that elections organised by the separatists would be held in accordance with OSCE standards.

    These standards require a conducive atmosphere in which political parties and candidates can freely campaign and present their views. Freedom of media is a basic condition. It also requires an up-to-date electoral register; in the case of Donbas, eligible voters who have been forced to flee their homes should be included in the register.

    The EU needs to send a clear message to Russia and its proxies that local elections in Donbas must abide by the Minsk agreement.

    Anything else would be a violation of Minsk and risks undermining the already fragile peace process.

    Ready to extend sanctions

    The prospects for a complete implementation of the Minsk agreement by the agreed end-of-year deadline look increasingly poor.

    Discussions in the EU on whether Minsk has been implemented will intensify as the end of the year approaches. The EU should be ready for a scenario in which Russia and its proxy rebels have not lived up to their part of the bargain. This means preparing to extend the sectoral sanctions that are conditioned on Minsk implementation.

    Extending sanctions in case of non-implementation is not only about the EU's credibility as a peacemaker but also about the credibility of the Minsk agreement.

    This time around, the EU should consider open-ended sanctions conditioned on Minsk implementation rather than sanctions that have to be regularly renewed.

    This would send a powerful signal to Russia about the EU’s willingness to stay the course on Minsk. It would also deny Moscow the opportunity to split the Union every time sanctions are up for renewal.

    Keep Crimea on the agenda

    The annexation of Crimea has largely fallen off the agenda. There is a sense in many capitals that this issue is “too hard to handle” given the unlikelihood of a reversal any time soon. But not talking about it is not a solution.

    The annexation is too serious an issue to be left aside. The violation of fundamental principles, as set out in the UN Charter, Helsinki Final Act, and a host of other international treaties, deserves continued attention.

    It should be on the EU’s agenda with Russia, as well as with other states, in particular Brazil, China, and India. The EU should also review the sanctions linked to Crimea to plug any loopholes.

    Prepare for a fraught relationship with Russia for the long term

    The EU has still to figure out how to deal with its “Russia problem”.

    This is not a problem that has come about by the EU’s policy towards Ukraine or the rest of the eastern Neighbourhood.

    It is a problem that originates in Moscow and in the decision to use force to annex territory and destabilise a country because it exercised its sovereign right to determine its political orientation. This amounts to a substantial challenge to core principles underpinning the European security order.

    The EU should not expect Russia to change its posture for the foreseeable future. A confrontational relationship with the EU and US suits the Kremlin and fits its narrative about how the West is pushing for regime change in Moscow. It also provides a convenient excuse for the failure to modernise Russia’s economy and be a relevant part of globalisation.

    Considerable staying power will be needed to deal with Russia’s revisionism.

    Continued........................

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    In network appeared pics of Russian army on day of tragedy in Ilovaysk.
    August 29, 2014
    . More http://inforesist.org/aktivist-vyloz...medium=twitter … pic.twitter.com/fDXGcOYMJO

    No KIAs, 5 Ukrainian servicemen wounded over last 24 hours – ATO Spokesperson http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/31-augu...nded-over-last

    Col. Lysenko: Ukrainian Border Guards observed five militant UAVs on aerial reconnaissance missions yesterday

    ATO spokesperson: Only hotspot near Donetsk – Avdiivka-Pisky line. Militants instigated attacks during nighttime.

    ATO spokesperson: Ceasefire was holding between Horlivka and Yasynuvata in Donetsk sector

    ATO spokesperson: Donetsk sector: 7 armed incidents registered near Ukrainian positions in Lozove & Luhanske

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    ATOspox: Luhansk sector: Hotspot:Bakhmutska road. Militants attacked from grenade launcher. Brief attack near Krymske

    Col. Lysenko: Militants don’t use heavy weapons for the second day in a row, only 82 mm mortars & armored vehicles

    Col. Lysenko: Ceasefire holds in Stanytsia Luhanska, Shchastya, Zolote, Popasna, Maryinka & entire Mariupol sector

    Mariupol sector: not a single militant attack y/day. Intelligence: militants conduct rotation - sector M spox http://www.0629.com.ua/news/943510

    Map. Situation in eastern #Ukraine, August 31, 2015, 00:00 EET pic.twitter.com/xPEwynJX1T

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    Rovenky is on key railway corridor from Russia to occupied territories of Donbas, Ukraine https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Rov...d2b45f0b406f6ehttps://twitter.com/ZlbRvnk/status/638190327149543426

    Rovenky - Reports (via @ZibRvnk @loogunda) of train movements throughout the night to/from Russia (30/31 Aug) Resupply? Armour movements?

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    Here we go with another Russian altered stated of reality and Orwellian doublespeak.

    In state Duma of RF joint drills of Ukraine and U.S. were equated to providing lethal weapons http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/31-augu...lls-of-ukraine … pic.twitter.com/PvEAcPY8iC

    BUT notice the State Duma does not equally equate the Russian supplies of mercenaries, active army military personnel, GRU Spetsnaz, UAVs, EW/jammers, AD systems, heavy weapons and literally thousands of tons of munitions to be “LETHAL AID”.

    THIS is just how far the Russian mindset has literally separated itself from the reality that is staring them in their faces.

    Orwell would love seeing this---
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    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...tion-conundrum

    Russia's Conscription Conundrum

    The Obstacles to Modernizing the Country's Armed Forces


    By Elisabeth Braw

    Russia is in the middle of an extraordinarily ambitious military modernization project. By 2020, the country plans to upgrade a significant percentage of its weaponry. Among the new equipment Russia’s armed forces will acquire: 600 aircraft; 1,100 helicopters; some 100 ships (including 24 submarines); 2,300 tanks; and 2,000 artillery pieces. The modernization will cost taxpayers an estimated 19 trillion rubles, or $283 billion. Russia’s military largesse, which accounted for 4.5 percent of Russian GDP last year, puts the country in third place in global defense expenditures, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (the United States and China rank first and second, respectively.)

    The modernization project is impressive, but the Russian military has more to worry about than upgrading its equipment. Whereas the Soviet Union boasted an armed force of more than five million soldiers, Russia is now having trouble filling the ranks of an army one-fifth as big. It is not that Russia doesn’t have soldiers and officers: According to the latest data from the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies, it has 771,000 on active duty. But that is 150,000 soldiers—16 percent—short of the number the Russian armed forces need to operate efficiently, according to military experts. Russia is attempting to decrease its reliance on conscripted soldiers by increasing the number of professional soldiers, but making that switch is expensive. Given that slumping oil prices have caused the ruble to drop to its lowest level since February, many experts predict that Russia will not have the financial capability to abolish conscription until at least the 2020s.

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    It appears that proRussians inside the existing Ukrainian energy companies and via systemic corruption/FSB back channels were actually paying Russia for power deliveries to the Russian occupied zones and the Crimea in full violation of Ukrainian laws forbidding those exact payments.

    Russia had been demanding payment for months, the Ukrainian government has been stating they will not pay the bills for months, THEN Russia went silent--NOW we know why.

    http://www.unian.info/economics/1116...ied-areas.html

    Ukraine’s financial watchdog reveals illegal payments for Russian gas delivered to occupied areas

    28.08.2015 | 22:30

    The State Financial Inspection of Ukraine has found that Ukrinterenergo, state-owned foreign trade company, paid Russia’s Inter RAO ES JSC for gas that had been delivered to the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine, in violation of the Ukrainian legislation, according to the Inspection's website.

    During the government-approved inspection of Ukrinterenergo regarding its financial activities in the period from January 1, 2014 to May 31, 2015, the monitors have also found that the company signed contract with a legal entity created for economic activity in the temporarily occupied territory of Crimea under the Russian law on the annexation of the Crimea, which is not recognized by Ukraine. Amendments to the text of the said contract after its signing were revealed, suggesting its forgery.

    The Inspection forwarded the results of the revision to the Main Directorate of the Interior Ministry of Ukraine in Kyiv for further assessment of evidence of probable criminal offenses.

    The monitors also informed the Cabinet, submitting relevant proposals.

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    During a right wing nationalist demo being held outside of the Ukrainian Parliament Building someone threw a grenade into the National Guard security force protecting the building wounding at least 50.

    Rada was voting on the new decentralization laws as per Minsk 2 and the right views giving anything to the Russian mercenaries as an act of treason on the part of the Ukrainian government and their caving to US and Russian demands for Russian stealing Ukrainian territory.

    Not known if this was from a demo individual or a true terrorist attack using the demo as an effective covering shield.

    National Guard reporting of 50 wounded http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/31-augu...of-50-wounded- … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/N3zXg65FF8
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    During a right wing nationalist demo being held outside of the Ukrainian Parliament Building someone threw a grenade into the National Guard security force protecting the building wounding at least 50.

    Rada was voting on the new decentralization laws as per Minsk 2 and the right views giving anything to the Russian mercenaries as an act of treason on the part of the Ukrainian government and their caving to US and Russian demands for Russian stealing Ukrainian territory.

    Not known if this was from a demo individual or a true terrorist attack using the demo as an effective covering shield.

    National Guard reporting of 50 wounded http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/31-augu...of-50-wounded- … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/N3zXg65FF8
    Will be interesting to see where this individual sits in the Ukrainian political spectrum and what potential group he belongs to or is he potentially a proRussian supporter.

    He was initially identified out of a video photo and in the middle of the crowd--potentially shielding himself after throwing the grenade.

    Video----youtube.com/watch?v=DinAxLyR7II&feature=youtu …

    The guy who threw the grenade. pic.twitter.com/pc5SzzZW9U

    HAS been arrested.

    Attacker on the police near Rada was detained http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/31-augu...-were-detained

    One dead policemen after an explosion & clashes near #Ukraine's parliament in Kyiv, the mayor confirms to us.
    Roughly 100 injured.


    Avakov: already 30 people detained. "Grenade launcher" is also captured. Police found one more F-1 hand grenade pic.twitter.com/eU2FWn6Ek9

    LIVE VIDEO outside #Ukraine Parliament building https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siy69o-rKU4 … #Kiev #Kyiv pic.twitter.com/X0rSOowlUw

    LOOKS LIKE the Ukrainian Far Right---they seem to have forgotten just how video footage is used these days.

    Far right Svoboda party top brass photographed at attack on police at Ukraine rada. 100injured http://nv.ua/ukr/ukraine/events/vish...sev-66449.html … pic.twitter.com/3cCaR9Kobi

    Here's a video with the live grenade coming in from the protesters' crowd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DinAxLyR7II
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-31-2015 at 01:02 PM.

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    Even informational warfare is being used by the IS as part and parcel of their own UW strategy.

    Ron Paul takes helm of the Islamic State and challenge's the US's fiat monetary system with a gold standard: https://twitter.com/M_Seloom/status/637767801491587072

    ISIS becoming goldbugs is perfection. Next time some Paulista starts ranting about the Fed, just send them Da'ish's latest presentation
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    There are two critical elements of the Russian, Iranian, IS and Chinese UW strategies.

    1. informational warfare
    2. cyber warfare and cyber crime

    WITH the OPM hack which by the way the Obama WH has remained extremely silent on --many active and former US CI/Espionage types have pointed out set the US back at least 40 years in the CI and spy worlds.

    YET that is not being acknowledged by the WH. AND the US mainstream media has largely ignored this story for some odd reason????

    MAYBE this will them.....THIS now is a massive US counterintelligence problem--AND that is not an understatement!!!

    China and Russia are cross-indexing hacked data to target U.S. spies, officials say http://fw.to/UCsVRVT
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    Russian info war now busy in Syria in support of the re building of the image of Assad and his military as the greatest IS fighters needing Russian and US support---all the while Assad just keeps on bombing his own civilian population.

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    #Russia not just sent weapons but also its best propaganda piece to #Syria it seems
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHP-2ZcEKwQ … pic.twitter.com/9HkCdz4uMu

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Will be interesting to see where this individual sits in the Ukrainian political spectrum and what potential group he belongs to or is he potentially a proRussian supporter.

    He was initially identified out of a video photo and in the middle of the crowd--potentially shielding himself after throwing the grenade.

    Video----youtube.com/watch?v=DinAxLyR7II&feature=youtu …

    The guy who threw the grenade. pic.twitter.com/pc5SzzZW9U

    HAS been arrested.

    Attacker on the police near Rada was detained http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/31-augu...-were-detained

    One dead policemen after an explosion & clashes near #Ukraine's parliament in Kyiv, the mayor confirms to us.
    Roughly 100 injured.


    Avakov: already 30 people detained. "Grenade launcher" is also captured. Police found one more F-1 hand grenade pic.twitter.com/eU2FWn6Ek9

    LIVE VIDEO outside #Ukraine Parliament building https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siy69o-rKU4 … #Kiev #Kyiv pic.twitter.com/X0rSOowlUw
    WHILE Russian media will be spinning this as proof of the fascist takeover in Kyiv--it was just the opposite---many of those demonstrating actually helped capture some of those involved in the attack and the Kyiv police were extremely quick in capturing 30 identified as being involved in the attack.

    Sad point is that out of the killed and wounded National Guards 15 were eastern front veterans.

    When all is said and done--check Ukrainian politics in the 90s timeframe--you will see a similar grenade attack used by the then RED and BROWN side of politics.

    Had a professor in my Masters program back in the 70s who had an interesting terrorism theory--if one takes a circle and the radical left goes left on the circle and radical right goes right on the circle at some point on that circle they will met--why because at that point they share the common same enemy--in many cases it is the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Will be interesting to see where this individual sits in the Ukrainian political spectrum and what potential group he belongs to or is he potentially a proRussian supporter.

    He was initially identified out of a video photo and in the middle of the crowd--potentially shielding himself after throwing the grenade.

    Video----youtube.com/watch?v=DinAxLyR7II&feature=youtu …

    The guy who threw the grenade. pic.twitter.com/pc5SzzZW9U

    HAS been arrested.

    Attacker on the police near Rada was detained http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/31-augu...-were-detained

    One dead policemen after an explosion & clashes near #Ukraine's parliament in Kyiv, the mayor confirms to us.
    Roughly 100 injured.


    Avakov: already 30 people detained. "Grenade launcher" is also captured. Police found one more F-1 hand grenade pic.twitter.com/eU2FWn6Ek9

    LIVE VIDEO outside #Ukraine Parliament building https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siy69o-rKU4 … #Kiev #Kyiv pic.twitter.com/X0rSOowlUw
    We had something important to say about Shyrokyne... But it will have to wait - because of far right? (FSB/SVR?) grenade at Rada

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