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    I have commented here a number of times that it appears that Obama has a great reluctance to engage in verbal support for and to arm the Ukraine at least with defensive weapons.

    AND more importantly over the last two weeks of intense shellings and ground attacks not much has come from him and his DoS Kerry other than Kerry's rather recent open criticism of the Ukraine for not holding to and implementing
    Minsk 2.

    To an outsider it appears that he has taken a not so subtle approach to actually supporting Putin in the Ukraine in exchange for Russian support in Iran and Syria.

    BUT if history tells us anything--it is that we must go back into it in order to understand the actions of the actors today.

    This might in fact be the core reason for Obama's reluctance---history is repeating itself.

    After basically being responsible for the disarmament of the Ukraine he does not want to go into the history books as the one who rearmed the Ukraine.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3dWZpV89Z

    By David Martosko, U.S. Political Editor

    Published: 06:58 GMT, 5 March 2014 | Updated: 07:06 GMT, 5 March 2014

    Flashback: Senator Obama pushed bill that helped destroy more than 15,000 TONS of ammunition, 400,000 small arms and 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine

    Obama traveled to Ukraine with Sen. Dick Lugar in 2005 just seven months after he became a senator, touring surplus weapons stockpiles
    •Most of the small arms and ammunition were left over when Soviets withdrew from Eastern bloc nations, and later dumped in Ukraine
    •The two senators secured U.S. funding to help destroy the weapons instead of leaving them intact
    •Ukraine exported more than 700,000 small arms in 2004-2007, including 101,000 each to Libya and the UK, and 260,000 to the U.S.
    •But most of the ammunition stockpiles – crucial for keeping a standing army battle-ready – were destroyed
    •Ukraine is in a staring match with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has designs on recapturing portions of the former Soviet nation
    Is he actually looking at his legacy and that precludes him from actively getting directly involved in the Ukraine???

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    This is an interesting interview as it appears that Russia has come full circle in their "myths" on why they are in the Ukraine and took Crimea.

    First during Crimea it was "humiliation, then it was NATO expansion, then it all the fault of the US wanting to dictate to the whole world, then it was not accepting Russia as a superpower BUT notice not a single word is wasted on maybe they are at fault--"it is everyone else's fault".

    NOTICE that he has come full circle and now includes all "myths" into one interview.

    BUT at no point does he indicate that the former Ukrainian President who fled his own country did so in the middle of the night taking millions with him--AND his own Parliament and Party of Regions "stripped him of his powers and position"---that is a long way from a junta that he keeps beating the drum about.

    http://tass.ru/en/world/802418

    West's support for state coup in Ukraine prime cause of crisis in Ukraine — Putin

    June 19, 16:01 UTC+3

    St PETERSBURG, June 19. /TASS/. The prime cause of the crisis in Ukraine was the West's support for the anti-constitutional coup and not Russia, President Vladimir Putin said on Friday as he answered questions at a plenary session of the St Petersburg International Economic Forum.

    "We are not the root-cause of the showings of the crisis that are taking place in Ukraine," he said. "They shouldn't have supported the anti-state and anti-constitutional coup, the armed seizure of power that eventually ignited a tough confrontation and de facto a civil war in that country."

    The vanishing of the bipolar world and the disintegration of the USSR threw the U.S. and its Western partners into a state of euphoria of some kind - instead of building good-neighborly relations, they started exploring new territories. In part, NATO began its eastwards expansion.

    "Quite possibly, some of our partners might have gotten an illusion that a global center like the Soviet Union had existed in the postwar world order and now that it was gone, vacuum appeared and it was to be filled urgently," he said.

    "I actually think that’s an erroneous approach to the solution of the problem," Putin said.

    Putin suggests way of settling crisis

    As for ways for settling the crisis, the Russian president said Kiev needs transition from manipulations to practical work. The Ukrainian parliament should have passed a resolution to implement the law on the special status of the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics, the Russian president said.

    The Ukrainian parliament should have passed a resolution to implement the law on the special status of the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics, the Russian president said.

    "Our friends in Kiev fulfilled this decision formally and along with a resolution adopted by the Verkhovna Rada on implementing this law, they made amendments to the law, as far as I know, to article 10, which fully disavowed this action," Putin said.

    "This is manipulation and nothing else and it is necessary to switch from manipulations to practical work," he said.

    Putin said that in addition to the above mentioned steps Kiev should carry out a constitutional reform, decentralisation, should adopt a law on municipal elections and announce amnesty so that the Minsk agreements can be fulfilled.

    "A political dialogue is impossible with people face a threat of criminal prosecution," he said adding that all this should be implemented with the consent of Donetsk and Lugansk.

    "But unfortunately, we cannot watch any dialogue," the Russian president said. "There are only hints that it is going to start, but too much time has passed since the Minsk agreements were signed."

    Putin has again pointed out that both sides are far from a direct dialogue on economic revival of these regions.

    "The thesis ‘we have no money’ does not work in this case," he said in conclusion. "If the current Ukrainian authorities think that it is Ukraine’s territory and there live the Ukrainians who enjoy the right to be provided with disability benefits or pensions and who have earned them working in accordance with the Ukrainian law, then the Ukrainian authorities cannot deny payments of these benefits as they just have no right to behave so! They are violating their own constitution.".

    Putin also added that Russia hopes for trust-based dialogue with Ukraine.

    In spite of all the current complexities, the Russians and Ukrainians make up a single nation, a single ethnos with a shared history and culture and they are destined to have a common future. he said.

    "We have a shared history, a shared culture with common spiritual roots," Putin said. "Whatever may happen, Russia and Ukraine will be destined to a shared future in one way or another," the president noted.

    He recalled that Russia had initiated the process of disintegration of the USSR and the granting of sovereignty to other former Soviet republics.

    NOTE: This is a telling statement as it absolutely does not reflect the actual breakup of the SU and the heavy hand the SU used in 92-94 in order to hold on those Republics who wanted to break away.

    "Nothing has changed in this sense since then, and today Russia and Ukraine are bound by very practical things in addition to all those ties that formed over centuries," Putin said. "These are the common engineering, energy and transport infrastructure, common regulations, and so on and so forth."

    "Last but not least, we're linked by an opportunity to speak the same language without obstacles," he said.




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    Lutuhyne @HuLutujka 'Commandant' of Lutuhyne S.Drapov is arrested [by RUS]

    Militants fired 50 times today at Ukrainian army positions pic.twitter.com/tsKzDDRJxJ http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-june...army-positions

    Lysenko warns of possible radiation leak due to explosion at chemical products factory in...
    http://www.unian.info/society/109153...n-donetsk.html … pic.twitter.com/tTETVph6h6

    Tymchuk: Russian forces in E Ukraine received large payments in US dollars. Only other time this happened was before Debaltseve was captured

    Putin: we are not arming anyone in Donbas. Weapon appeared only when Ukrainian army has started to kill http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-june...bas-the-weapon

    People are forced to join the ruling 'parties'- LNR 'Peace to Luhansk region civic organization'& DNR 'Donetsk republic civic movement'. Mostly 'state employees' are forced upon pain of dismission - there were reports fr/smaller cities of both regions.

    This week’s whopper Top Extremism- and Terrorism-Related Stories in Russia http://extremistrussia.com/2015/06/1...-19-june-2015/
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Ah....the beauty of the "rule of law" when it is applied correctly and fairly--Russia loses in a court of law, Russian ignores that court because they as Russia feel above the law, then Russian assets get seized THEN complains bitterly about needing an international law to protect her assets?????

    Nothing like double standards--YET Russia claims to be a democratic state.

    Russia's Hybrid War Tentacles Chopped off in France and Belgium
    http://uatoday.tv/opinion/russia-s-h...um-442236.html … pic.twitter.com/YQsDobmryV

    Lavrov promises a "mirror response to Europe", in revenge of RU's assets being seized by courts around EU. The new "Mutual Seizure Doctrine"

    Lavrov hopes courts will allow seizure in Russia of state property of countries that ta http://24today.net/open/448337 pic.twitter.com/NTxkYqmtfJ

    I'm not adherent of conspiracies" -says Lavrov, then says assets seizures are NATO "punishing" Russia for Ukraine
    http://top.rbc.ru/politics/19/06/201...79473579b4bc6b

    For Min Lavrov sees conspiracy in Rus state property arrest & appeals to internat convention in its defense: Irony. http://top.rbc.ru/politics/19/06/201...79473579b4bc6b

    Kremlin threatens to steal Belgian embassy in RU, if Belgium doesn't INTERFERE in court system to release RU assets" http://www.rusemb.org.uk/foreignpolicy/3211

    Russia demands $75 million from #Ukraine, saying it will win time to pay off other creditors & avoid default http://sputniknews.com/business/2015...023570791.html

    Russia's foreign minister reminds Europe that freezing assets can go both ways. https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/06/19...sets-in-europe
    Amusingly, #Russia accuses #Belgium of "an openly hostile act" that "violates recognised norms of international law" http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33197782

    Khodorkovsky on Russian assets seizure: 'This is a landmark moment for our country' http://uatoday.tv/politics/khodorkov...ry-442413.html

    Russian humor:
    Belgium, with massive cash reserves stored in Rubles, faces ruin if we seize them.

    Russia threatens retaliation against European state-controlled companies http://on.wsj.com/1GwECXW prin @WSJ
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    All quiet before the next storm of shellings and ground attacks.

    20:28 #Dokuchaevsk @Serzzze Shooting

    Ukraine:#drone recon confirmed
    heavy #military equipment:#Putin's #Russia|n #army:#
    Ukraina:http://lugansk-news.com/ukrainian-dr...-hours-flight/ … pic.twitter.com/46fL1OEFW7

    Ukrainian drone confirmed concentration of Russian troops in Lugansk. 63 tanks detected during two hour flight.

    Intelligence unit of Ukrainian Army Regiment “Dnipro-1″ published a video recorded by the drone that was flying over Lugansk. In 2 hours flight they confirmed concentration of Russian troops on the East of Ukraine. They checked several bases and found 63 tanks, 32 APCs and 96 military trucks.

    “Dnipro-1″ used “Leleka-100″ UAV, that is Ukrainian drone manufactured by design department “DeViRo”. The video was recorded on June 6 2015.

    1st stop of the drone was at 48.597967, 39.176593 There is military training ground there near Oleksandrivsk (also spelled as Aleksandrovsk), that was a location of Ukrainian army unit # 3035. That base is if frequently used by terrorists for their exercises. The drone spotted 24 tanks, 12 BMP (APC), 14 BTR (APC) and 11 “URAL” military trucks.

    See our reports regarding that base with videos how combined Russian and terrorist groups are training there http://lugansk-news.com/russian-army...ukraine-video/ and here http://lugansk-news.com/pro-russian-...lugansk-video/

    The second base Ukrainian UAV checked was at 48.580154, 39.267585. There are 14 tanks and 7 military trucks spotted there.

    The 3rd terrorists base recorded by the drone is located at 48.538784, 39.356152 on the territory of “Transpele” transportation company. 23 tanks were identified there, big amount of military cargo trucks and trucks with fuel.

    That’s the biggest base previously reported at our website here http://lugansk-news.com/russian-mili...ugansk-photos/ and here http://lugansk-news.com/confirmed-lo...gansk-ukraine/

    Ukrainian drone was also flying over the city center in the middle of the day and that was Saturday. The city is not damaged, but there are no people and very little traffic. Before Russian invasion Lugansk was very busy place with traffic problems in the center like any other big city around the world. About 500 000 people were living in Lugansk before 2014.
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    ATO Staff spokesman: Russia-backed militants break ceasefire 224 times in the last three days
    http://uacrisis.org/26886-anton_myronovych

    08:45am #Donetsk @Serzzze Up to 100 RUS troops on 3 BTR & 1 UAZ passing circus along Leninsky Ave westwards

    From Mospine to Komsomolske: 3 groups of armor, 30-35 tanks and 55-60 BMPs each. https://twitter.com/Legioner_sniper/...81127104299009

    1 civilian was killed and one wounded after hitting a mine near Donetsk today - Abroskin
    https://m.facebook.com/Vyacheslav.Ab...96?pnref=story

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    Taken from comments made today by the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov--then the reality in the eastern Ukraine followed by the complete Minsk 2 to show how the Russian FM lies using the Russian propaganda 4Ds --dismiss, distract, distort, dismay designed to create 2Ds ---distrust and doubt.


    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It’s vital that we helped the #Ukrainian people resolve a crisis that is not #Russia’s doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to punish us for #Ukrainians’ refusal to unanimously approve a state coup

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to shift the blame to us for bringing the situation in #Ukraine to an unconstitutional overthrow

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It was their choice. They suspended any communication with #Russia, and are now searching for ways to resume it without losing face

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: If they propose unblocking communications channels, we won’t be vindictive; we will reciprocate

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: The rights of Donetsk and Lugansk as part of #Ukraine must be fully respected during conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They also depend on us politically. We are urging respect for their legitimate rights as part of the #Ukrainian nation

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Of course, we can influence Donetsk and Lugansk. They seriously depend on us, in particular for humanitarian assistance

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These people have a different view of the situation. They live under constant shelling. Some of them have been driven to despair

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: I believe that we don’t have a moral right to dictate to them what they must or must not do

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Our main achievement is that following #Minsk2 Donetsk and Lugansk agreed to search for a solution as part of #Ukraine

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We have convinced Lugansk and Donetsk to support #Minsk2, to agree that its implementation must ensure #Ukraine’s integrity

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Under #Minsk2, almost nothing depends on #Russia apart from the pledge to influence the sides, which we have been doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These regions must have special status within #Ukraine, as provided for in #Minsk2 in terms of the decentralisation of power

    Lavrov: #Russia supported #Minsk2 wholeheartedly and without any reservation. It fully meets our stance on conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Lavrov: Questioning the potential of #Minsk2 and #Ukraine’s integrity would amount to bowing to extremists

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We want Kiev to implement all provisions, including decentralisation, constitutional reform and amnesty
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Taken from comments made today by the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov--then the reality in the eastern Ukraine followed by the complete Minsk 2 to show how the Russian FM lies using the Russian propaganda 4Ds --dismiss, distract, distort, dismay designed to create 2Ds ---distrust and doubt.


    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It’s vital that we helped the #Ukrainian people resolve a crisis that is not #Russia’s doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to punish us for #Ukrainians’ refusal to unanimously approve a state coup

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to shift the blame to us for bringing the situation in #Ukraine to an unconstitutional overthrow

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It was their choice. They suspended any communication with #Russia, and are now searching for ways to resume it without losing face

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: If they propose unblocking communications channels, we won’t be vindictive; we will reciprocate

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: The rights of Donetsk and Lugansk as part of #Ukraine must be fully respected during conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They also depend on us politically. We are urging respect for their legitimate rights as part of the #Ukrainian nation

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Of course, we can influence Donetsk and Lugansk. They seriously depend on us, in particular for humanitarian assistance

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These people have a different view of the situation. They live under constant shelling. Some of them have been driven to despair

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: I believe that we don’t have a moral right to dictate to them what they must or must not do

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Our main achievement is that following #Minsk2 Donetsk and Lugansk agreed to search for a solution as part of #Ukraine

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We have convinced Lugansk and Donetsk to support #Minsk2, to agree that its implementation must ensure #Ukraine’s integrity

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Under #Minsk2, almost nothing depends on #Russia apart from the pledge to influence the sides, which we have been doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These regions must have special status within #Ukraine, as provided for in #Minsk2 in terms of the decentralisation of power

    Lavrov: #Russia supported #Minsk2 wholeheartedly and without any reservation. It fully meets our stance on conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Lavrov: Questioning the potential of #Minsk2 and #Ukraine’s integrity would amount to bowing to extremists

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We want Kiev to implement all provisions, including decentralisation, constitutional reform and amnesty

    Does this below appear to be the so called Russia interest in resolving the conflict AND OR Russia actually contributing to the conflict.

    News from LPR&DPR terrorist republics:
    1) Russian militants received salary in USD
    2) allowed to use heavy artillery
    3) huge forces massing
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    Full Minsk 2 Agreement---

    NOTICE what exactly the first two points in this agreement are followed by the next points that had to be implemented followed by the remaining critical points.

    Putin and Lavrov both seem to want to go straight to decentralization, amnesty and special status WITHOUT implementing the critical first series of points in the agreement.

    SO why the smoke and mirrors?????? Just implement fully the first six points and all else falls into place---WHY do they constantly put the cart in front of the horse.

    WHY do they do it--because Russia does not want to implement a single point of Minsk 2--you see that in the multiple statements made by the Russia FM.

    • Immediate and full ceasefire in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine and its strict fulfilment as of 00.00 midnight (Kiev time) on Feb. 15, 2015.

    • Pull-out of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creation of a security zone on minimum 50 kilometres apart for artillery of 100mm calibre or more, and a security zone of 70km for MLRS and 140 kilometres for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch and tactical missile systems Tochka U.

    – for Ukrainian troops, from actual line of contact;

    – for armed formations of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine, from the contact line in accordance with the Minsk memorandum as of Sept. 19, 2014


    • The pullout of the above mentioned heavy weapons has to start no later than the second day after the ceasefire and finish within 14 days.

    • This process will be assisted by OSCE with the support of the Trilateral Contact Group.

    • Effective monitoring and verification of ceasefire regime and pullout of heavy weapons by OSCE will be provided from the first day of pullout, using all necessary technical means such as satellites, drones, radio-location systems etc.


    • On the first day after the pullout a dialogue is to start on modalities of conducting local elections in accordance with the Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine “On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts,” and also about the future of these districts based on the above mentioned law.

    • Without delays, but no later than 30 days from the date of signing of this document, a resolution has to be approved by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, indicating the territory which falls under the special regime in accordance with the law “On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts,” based in the line set up by the Minsk Memorandum as of Sept. 19, 2014.


    • Provide pardon and amnesty by way of enacting a law that forbids persecution and punishment of persons in relation to events that took place in particular departments of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine.

    • Provide release and exchange of all hostages and illegally held persons, based on the principle of “all for all”. This process has to end – at the latest – on the fifth day after the pullout (of weapons).

    • Provide safe access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian aid to the needy, based on an international mechanism.

    • Define the modalities of a full restoration of social and economic connections, including social transfers, such as payments of pensions and other payments (income and revenue, timely payment of communal bills, restoration of tax payments within the framework of Ukrainian legal field)

    • With this aim, Ukraine will restore management over the segment of its banking system in the districts affected by the conflict, and possibly, an international mechanism will be established to ease such transactions.

    • Restore full control over the state border by Ukrainian government in the whole conflict zone, which has to start on the first day after the local election and end after the full political regulation (local elections in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts based on the law of Ukraine and Constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, on the condition of fulfilment of Point 11 – in consultations and in agreement with representatives of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.

    • Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups.

    • Constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new Constitution to come into effect by the end of 2015, the key element of which is decentralisation (taking into account peculiarities of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, agreed with representatives of these districts), and also approval of permanent legislation on special status of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts in accordance with the measures spelt out in the footnotes, by the end of 2015.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Taken from comments made today by the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov--then the reality in the eastern Ukraine followed by the complete Minsk 2 to show how the Russian FM lies using the Russian propaganda 4Ds --dismiss, distract, distort, dismay designed to create 2Ds ---distrust and doubt.


    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It’s vital that we helped the #Ukrainian people resolve a crisis that is not #Russia’s doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to punish us for #Ukrainians’ refusal to unanimously approve a state coup

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to shift the blame to us for bringing the situation in #Ukraine to an unconstitutional overthrow

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It was their choice. They suspended any communication with #Russia, and are now searching for ways to resume it without losing face

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: If they propose unblocking communications channels, we won’t be vindictive; we will reciprocate

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: The rights of Donetsk and Lugansk as part of #Ukraine must be fully respected during conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They also depend on us politically. We are urging respect for their legitimate rights as part of the #Ukrainian nation

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Of course, we can influence Donetsk and Lugansk. They seriously depend on us, in particular for humanitarian assistance

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These people have a different view of the situation. They live under constant shelling. Some of them have been driven to despair

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: I believe that we don’t have a moral right to dictate to them what they must or must not do

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Our main achievement is that following #Minsk2 Donetsk and Lugansk agreed to search for a solution as part of #Ukraine

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We have convinced Lugansk and Donetsk to support #Minsk2, to agree that its implementation must ensure #Ukraine’s integrity

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Under #Minsk2, almost nothing depends on #Russia apart from the pledge to influence the sides, which we have been doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These regions must have special status within #Ukraine, as provided for in #Minsk2 in terms of the decentralisation of power

    Lavrov: #Russia supported #Minsk2 wholeheartedly and without any reservation. It fully meets our stance on conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Lavrov: Questioning the potential of #Minsk2 and #Ukraine’s integrity would amount to bowing to extremists

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We want Kiev to implement all provisions, including decentralisation, constitutional reform and amnesty
    The Russian FM lies using the Russian propaganda 4Ds --dismiss, distract, distort, dismay designed to create 2Ds ---distrust and doubt

    To verify the lie just simply check the actual Minsk 2 Agreement and ask a very simple question--has Russia implemented a single point in the Agreement???? Then compare it against the ongoing reality in eastern Ukraine against the Minsk 2 Agreement.
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    Shakhtarsk 23:25
    "25 trucks with escort from #Donetsk towards east.
    Russian bitches stealing." https://twitter.com/Helgi__UA/status/611994797671383040

    23:25 #Shakhtarsk @Helgi__UA 25 escorted 18-wheelers fr/#Donetsk eastwards.
    #donbasreports [museums going east?]

    Hundreds of #Putin mercenaries from #Crimea & #Rostov arrive in #Donetsk http://translate.googleusercontent.c...2vuhcEmGSvYT-w … pic.twitter.com/i3ogjzQ9Ck

    23:21 @DmitriyKatsapov It sounds like another battle in #Maryinka

    According to the "miner/tractor-driver" from Tyumen he has a military contract for 3 years of fighting in Donbass." https://twitter.com/nixer79/status/611981505842298880

    OSCE monitors see many of Donbas militants' weapons banned by Minsk pic.twitter.com/RcVXr66TKN http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-june...itants-weapons

    Well, that's a lot of ammo... A lot...
    Molodohvardiis'k mine area, #Krasnodon district, #Luhansk region. #Ukraine https://twitter.com/Katz_741/status/611957287368925184

    youtube.com/watch?v=7bvEE9dbr4w … '#Somalia' Russians wax 'I'll be back!' at #DonetskAirport. Back to #Russia in boxes?#Ukraine pic.twitter.com/08ZmXlCTPr

    VIDEO #Putin DNR-Whatever #Zakharchenko now developing a growing business https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRZ2-Gx5Ni4 …Marijuana pic.twitter.com/dRpj6WJNc0

    @nolanwpeterson "Ukrainian sniper in #Pisky #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/IGZGV2KV3I"

    Putin: "US exit from the Anti-ballistic Missile Treaty pushed Russia towards a new arms race" http://www.mediafax.ro/externe/vladi...marii-14476444

    #OSCE SMM saw *66* Russian T-72/T-64 main battle tanks (MBT) in different areas of occupied Donbas on 18 Jun http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/165461
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    http://maidantranslations.com/2015/0...freesavchenko/

    Dmitry Tymchuk: Military update 6.18

    Posted on June 19, 2015 by tilamuse

    Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Operational data from Information Resistance:

    The activity of the Russian-terrorist forces in Donbas continues to increase. Besides fire strikes (including the ones from heavy weapons), attempted tactical offensives by [insurgent] gangs have increased in several directions.

    Starting from the evening of June 16 and until the morning of June 18, Russian-terrorist forces have made at least five attempts to break through the defenses of Ukrainian troops in the vicinity of Mar’inka, at the same time carrying out massive shellings of the ATO forces’ positions. At the moment, the situation in this area more closely resembles the situation near the Donetsk airport (DAP) during its defense by Ukrainian troops in the winter of 2014—2015, when terrorists concentrated significant forces to shell ATO troop positions and carried out offensive actions continuously.

    On the night of June 16 to 17, 2015, [insurgent] gangs attempted to perform the task they desperately failed to accomplish on the afternoon of June 3, during a large-scale assault on Mar’inka. At dusk, an enemy tactical group numbering 100-120 people accumulated in the vicinity of a [collective] farm, and another group (up to 50 people) collected from the direction of Olexandrivka. Meanwhile, three T-72B tanks of terrorists came up to the “neutral zone” and shelled the ATO forces’ positions with high-explosive shells, alternating between reaching the distance of direct fire, and leaving the starting line. After a relatively short shelling (each tank released 10 to 15 rounds), insurgents began shelling the positions of Ukrainian troops from 120-mm mortars, covering the retreat of their tanks. After the pulling back their armored vehicles, the insurgents launched an attack (trying to enter the flanks of the Ukrainian units), which was foiled by dense automatic machine-gun fire, from the ATO forces’ AGS-17 and 82-mm mortars.

    During the past 24 hours, insurgents were also particularly active in the direction of Artemivsk.

    Insurgents used 9P132 “Grad-P” MLRS in the vicinity of Troitske; the shells [for this system] are delivered by insurgents in “UAZ” vehicles. Meanwhile, the enemy has also used BM-21 “Grad” MLRS in this area.

    Terrorists have used 122-mm artillery and 120-mm mortars massively – south of Donetsk (in the vicinity of Hranitne and Starohnativka).

    In the area of Shchastya and Stanytsia Luhanska, the enemy has fired from infantry weapons; an enemy sabotage and reconnaissance group has also been observed. Terrorists have fired on the positions of the ATO forces in the vicinity of Toshkivka, Novotoshkivka, Krymske, and Triokhizbenka from SPG-9 “Spear” grenade launchers and AGS-17; 152-mm artillery has also been used.

    Movements of insurgent equipment and forces:

    • A convoy (15 Kamaz / Ural tented trucks, two 122-mm D-30 howitzers on a trailer, and two MT-LB) proceeded through Yenakijeve towards Horlivka.

    • In Luhansk, a build-up of armored vehicles continues – five tanks and two BMP-2 have arrived; a “Strela-10M” air defense missile system was detected in a convoy.

    • The transfer of six BMP-2 was observed between Obilne and Starobesheve in the direction of Donetsk. BMPs look as if they have been “restored” after combat.

    • Seven tanks, one Ural [truck] with a ZU-23-2 and four Kamaz [trucks] accompanied by “DNR police”cars have arrived in the Kyivskyi district of Donetsk from Makiivka.

    • Transfer of a 152-mm 2S3 “Akatsiyia” self-propelled artillery accompanied by two BTR-80 was observed between Lutuhyne and Novofedorivka; the vehicles were moving in the direction of Krasnyi Luch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    And the saga continues………

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Our answer to seizing Russian property abroad will be reciprocity. This is the only way to act on the international stage


    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They have not released the accounts of state-owned Russian companies only

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: In France, they seized the accounts of our embassy, our mission to #UNESCO and our trade mission. But they have backed off

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: At this stage, we are working to secure the release of our diplomatic missions’ accounts @amrusbel

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They have taken the same illegal step in Belgium by announcing the seizure of our diplomatic missions’ accounts @amrusbel
    Rossiya 24 cut off the live broadcast from P's meeting with news agencies right after AFP's question about Russian assets seized in Europe.

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    Debaltsevo 4:01AM
    Rumble, it's not thunder https://twitter.com/samotniyvovk/sta...62734075711488

    #Dzerzhynsk 3:54AM
    Shooting, small arms, AGS, artillery. Sounds like battle towards #Mayorsk https://twitter.com/blessmaster/stat...60909998051328

    Horlivka, #Dzerzhynsk
    4:40 very loud
    5:00 took a brake? https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...90310273957888

    4:49AM
    Since 40 minutes battle towards #Mayorsk, shooting, tanks, AGS https://twitter.com/mihailovith/stat...74727620935680

    Shakhtarsk 7:20
    BTR, 12 Urals w ruscists, command post vehicle, field kitchen, water tanker tow #Donetsk https://twitter.com/Helgi__UA/status/612114625782521856

    Shakhtarsk 7:38
    9x BMP and MT-LB towards #Donetsk https://twitter.com/Helgi__UA/status/612118225225035776

    Sytin: Russia's regime wants to return to post-WW2 world order https://balticscholars.stanford.edu/?p=1193

    @RFERL #Russia|'s become a nation of conspiracy theorists;the Kremlin is leading the charge http://bit.ly/1Ga4vuw pic.twitter.com/4cDLYcBPXK

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    Dmitry Tymchuk: Military update 6.19

    Posted on June 20, 2015 by tilamuse

    Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Operational data from Information Resistance:

    Russian-terrorist forces remain active in Donbas and continue mounting large-scale offensives on the positions of Ukrainian troops and civilian objects, while also carrying out tactical offensives in a number of areas. During the past 24 hours, insurgents were active in areas that had been [previously] considered relatively “calm” following the signing of the Minsk II Agreements.

    In the vicinity of Mar’inka, terrorists continue their attempts to storm the ATO forces’ positions in order to initiate a battle for the settlement [area]. Under cover of 122- and 152-mm cannon artillery and 82- and 120-mm mortars, enemy infantry groups try to approach the advanced positions of Ukrainian troops in order to force a short-range (under 200 meters [219 yards]) firefight. During the last 24 hours, insurgents used four tanks, two BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicle, and two BTR-80 armored personnel carriers in their attempted offensives. As a result of retaliatory fire by the ATO forces, one terrorist T-72B [tank] was damaged (but was able to return to the starting line), as well as one terrorist APC.

    An insurgent group (450-500 people) was seen arriving in the vicinity of Donetsk. [The group has been] trained in Russian-terrorist “training camps” in occupied Crimea and Rostov-on-Don (Russia). Some of the insurgents are residents of Donbas; at least 70% are Russian mercenaries, including amnestied criminals. An insurgent unit (up to 600 people, 100 of which have been unloaded in Makiivka) has arrived from Russia on board buses, accompanied by approximately 20 Russian soldiers. Vehicles, weapons, and equipment for this group were delivered to Donetsk earlier. Insurgents were brought to the vicinity of the Krytyi market where they changed into fatigues without insignia. Within hours, two reinforced companies from this group (about 220 people) were deployed to the zone of active combat operations near Mar’inka.

    Over the past twenty-four hours, Russian-terrorist artillery and rocket artillery equipment has been active in the vicinity of Pisky, Opytne, and Vodyane. Professionally trained Russian specialists have arrived in this area (specialists in troop command organization, as well as ones in the use of different types of troops and establishing cooperation between them). In this area, the insurgents deployed armored vehicles (5-6 units) that fired on the settlement of Vodyane from “no man’s land.”

    In the vicinity of Hranitne and Stepne, terrorists deployed mobile ZU-23-2 artillery units and 82-mm mortars mounted on vehicles. Several times over the past 24 hours, insurgents carried out precision fire from heavy machine guns in these areas.

    In the Seaside [Mariupol] sector, insurgents fired on the ATO forces’ positions near Shyrokyne, using 122-mm artillery, 120-mm mortars, and AGS-17 grenade launchers. In this area, terrorists operate with 2 artillery groups (squadrons) and 3-4 battery level mortar units.

    Over the past twenty-four hours, terrorists shelled Nelepivka and Novgorodske using 120-mm mortars. The residential areas took the brunt of the shelling.

    Insurgents shelled the settlement of Troitske (Artemivsk sector) twice, using 152-mm artillery (this is the “work” of the artillery group previously transferred to the vicinity of Irmino through Stakhanov). At this time, two terrorist artillery squadrons are concentrated in this area (22-24 cannon artillery units of both of the main calibers). The settlements of Luhanske, Svitlodarsk and Myronivske were also shelled by insurgents using cannon artillery (122-mm) and mortars (82-mm and 120-mm).

    Terrorists shelled the ATO forces in the vicinity of Novotoshkivka using Grad BM-21 multiple rocket launcher systems [MRLS].

    The positions of Ukrainian troops were shelled from cannon artillery (122-mm) in the vicinity of Zolote, where [the enemy] also attempted close-range fire on a Ukrainian stronghold using the armored vehicle weaponry. (Insurgents used six BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles; as a result of retaliatory fire, one BMP-2 was destroyed due to the detonation of ammunition. [Ukrainian troops] also destroyed parts of the two insurgent infantry groups that used small arms in an attempt to provide cover for the regrouping of their armored vehicles.)

    Clashes took place in the vicinity of Sokilnyky, Krymske, and Orikhove. Near Krymske, enemy infantry groups attacked [Ukrainian] checkpoints and attempted to penetrate the tactical rear of the ATO forces. All of the enemy’s attempts to this effect were repelled with retaliatory fire from the Ukrainian troops.

    In the vicinity of Shchastya, insurgents used AGS-17 and heavy machine guns for unaimed fire.

    A tactical insurgent group concentrated in the area of Obozne is being quickly reinforced with troops transferred through Stukalova Balka. Up to 14 tanks and 28-30 infantry fighting vehicles are already deployed in this area. Artillery is being deployed north of Luhansk (approximately a composite artillery squadron, using 122-mm Gvozdika 2S1 self-propelled artillery guns, and D-30 howitzers).

    Three armored terrorist groups are concentrated on the stretch between Mospyne and Komsomolske (up to 30-35 tanks and 55-60 various armored combat vehicles in each); another group is stationed south of Telmanove (up to a battalion in strength, with 18-20 tanks and 26-27 ACV).

    More equipment and armaments are being transferred through Alchevsk to reinforce the Stakhanov-Pervomaysk insurgent group. Over the last twenty-four hours, we spotted 26 trucks, as well as five BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles, two BTR-80 armored personnel carriers [APCs], two MT-LB trucks with 120-mm mortars, and 4 tanks.

    All units of the “Army of the LNR” [Luhansk People’s Republic] were paid wages (including all wages in arrears) for April and May of this year, in US dollars. A week earlier, the “Army of the DNR” [Donetsk People’s Republic] were also paid wages in US dollars. During the entire conflict in Donbas, such large-scale payments had only been made once before, in January 2015, before the events on the Debaltseve springboard.

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    Ammunition depot in #Donetsk. Grad rockets are in abundance, even without ammunition factory. pic.twitter.com/RcR0SGcmcS

    Ukrainian soldiers neutralized Russian terrorists’ unit near Mariupol http://en.censor.net.ua/n340807

    Putin is facing a multi-million-pound legal action for Boeing crash http://en.censor.net.ua/n340809

    Border service detained four militants near Berezove, one of them is citizen of RF http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/20-june...-near-berezove

    Since 4AM battle towards Mayorsk, shooting, tanks http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/20-june...shooting-tanks

    Orlovske North to Mariupol under shelling, Ukrainian forces return fire http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/20-june...ling-ukrainian

    ATO update: Seven Ukrainian soldiers wounded in Donbas in last day
    http://www.unian.info/war/1091762-at...-last-day.html … pic.twitter.com/JbnXD7q0gk
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    http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/06/rus...or-revolution/

    Russia’s Military Orders Research To Prevent Color Revolution

    Posted By: Brendan ByrnePosted date: June 19, 2015 02:47:42 PM

    Reporters were informed that a major research project will study coups produced by mass protest.

    Sergey Shoigu, Russia's Defense Minister, claimed that the military will sponsor the research, which aims to prevent the recurrence of social unrest which Russia suffered in 1991 and 1993, according to RT.

    Defense Minister outlines research plans

    Coups produced by mass protest are known as "color revolutions" in Russia, and the military appears to be preparing itself to prevent such an occurrence in Russia. “Some people say that the military should not be involved in political processes, some say the direct opposite. We will order a study on the phenomenon of color revolutions and the military’s role in their prevention,” Shoigu said during a speech at the Army 2015 forum.

    Army 2015 is being hosted at the site of the new Patriot Park, a military theme park opened by Russian President Vladimir Putin this week. The forum provides an opportunity for foreign officials to browse the latest selection of Russian military hardware, as well as listening to a series of speeches from political figures.

    “We have no right to allow the repetitions of the collapses of 1991 and 1993,” said Shoigu. “How to do it is another story, but it is clear that we must deal with the situation. We must understand how to prevent this and how to teach the younger generation so that it supported the calm and gradual development of our country.”

    Russia's sees dangerous precedent in Arab Spring and Maidan

    According to Shoigu, color revolutions are responsible for ongoing problems across the Arab world and in Serbia, as well as in Ukraine. He went on to call the current crisis in Ukraine "a major tragedy in the row of color revolutions."

    Other Russian political figures have also spoken of their desire to prevent a color revolution in Russia. In March Nikolai Patrushev, head of Russia's Security Council, stated that the organization would develop a detailed plan in order to prevent a color revolution or any other form of regime change sparked by mass protest.

    At the time he claimed that the Security Council already had a number of measures which could be used to that end, such as initiatives to combat "network protest activities," and propaganda to break the "romantic revolutionary stereotype."

    President Vladimir Putin has also spoken on the issue during a speech to the Interior Ministry. “The extremists’ actions become more complicated,” he said. “We are facing attempts to use the so called ‘color technologies’ in organizing illegal street protests to open propaganda of hatred and strife on social networks.”

    Attempts to prevent rallies and anti-government protests

    The Interior Ministry later drafted a bill which proposed amendments to laws covering rallies, including car protests and sit-ins. Experts from the Ministry said that clarification would reduce legal ambiguity and benefit Russian society.

    Putin decried the role of color revolutions in geopolitical strife during a speech in November. “In the modern world, extremism is used as a geopolitical tool for redistribution of spheres of interest. We can see the tragic consequences of the wave of the so-called color revolutions, the shock experienced by people in the countries that went through the irresponsible experiments of hidden, or sometimes brute and direct interference with their lives,” he said.

    Anti-government protests in January were met with counter-protests from conservative activists. Officials claimed that the anti-government protesters were outnumbered ten-to-one by their conservative counterparts.

    Along with legal changes and strategies to defeat grass-roots revolutionary movements, the news that the Russian military is preparing itself for the eventuality of a popular uprising is worrying news for civil liberties.

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    Doetsk
    Railway station, airport - under thunderstorm cover artillery working

    News
    Another 7 Ukrainian soldiers were injured in Russian attacks across the #Minsk demarcation line yesterday.


    13:55 @MitAndersen Along #Donetsk road fr/#Makeevka tow/Donetsk a tank on flatbed truck moved

    11:28 @JRijJyY08AkRzL8 In #Starobesheve diction massive booms.
    11:48 @RabindrantTagor I can't hear in #Komsomolske

    Horlivka @ItechVK Recently in one of early mornings a truck (long vehicle w/a trailer) went loaded w/yellow cut pipes(like small gas ones)

    Alleged looters held by #Russia's 'DNR militiamen' in #Sloviansk
    But what happened to them after the photos?
    pic.twitter.com/Wmw7lr3ZLo

    Ukrainian troops repel five attacks by Russian-backed militants on Friday
    http://www.unian.info/war/1091777-uk...on-friday.html … pic.twitter.com/uVR82Xmrw3

    15:35 #Donetsk @HuAdvokatos Heavy outgoing [volleys in the airport]

    US: Russian Forces in #Ukraine Are Thwarting Peaceful Solutionhttp://www.voanews.com/content/putin...e/2829767.html …?
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    Seems that Russian stealing in the Donbass is reaching new levels—first it was and still is coal, then it was scrap steel, and then scrap zinc and now anything that is copper—what the heck—is there that much of a shortage inside Russia that Putin is not telling us or is it simply just good ole soviet corruption at work??????

    youtube.com/watch?v=dUUQqUkawwQ … Copper seems top priority. New #Cargo200 design? pic.twitter.com/oDC977d4bZ

    Investigators, Prosecutor's Office start search at Tornado special task force base, no threat of conflict escalation http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ry-391588.html
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    Both the Russian FM Lavrov and Putin were arguing yesterday for "an amnesty" for the mercenaries in order to get an election process and dialogue going.

    BUT again both did not seem to have read the Minsk 2 Agreement that states clearly all foreign fighters and that includes Russian citizens must leave the Ukraine and the rest must disarm--then amnesty comes into play.

    "The Minsk agreements have a provision obliging Ukraine to declare an amnesty for the separatists. However, according to the Geneva Convention, only minor crimes are subject to amnesty, and in the course of disarmament of the parties. Heavy criminals cannot qualify for an amnesty," political expert Oleksandr Palij told Glavnoe June 20.

    Minor crimes include participation in guarding the infrastructure or construction work.

    Those with blood on their hands can’t be amnestied, the expert said.

    Demanding an amnesty, the separatists forget that in line with the Minsk agreements all foreigners have to leave the conflict zone - all Russian mercenaries, “volunteers” and others. When this provision is fulfilled, Ukraine will declare an amnesty,” the expert said.
    Have come to the conclusion both the Russian FM and Putin simply do not read what Russia signs for agreements and THEN complain later that the Agreements are not being adhered to such as Minsk 2.

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