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    https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/09/06...astern-ukraine

    US and EU threaten Russia with new sanctions over rogue elections in eastern Ukraine

    13:21, 6 September 2015


    The EU and the US are considering a new round of sanctions against Russia. According to foreign diplomatic sources speaking with the Russian newspaper Kommersant, the new round of sanctions may be implemented if the separatist-controlled regions of Ukraine fail to hold local elections at the same time as other Ukrainian regions.

    Ukrainian elections are scheduled for October 25. Elections in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic have been scheduled by the separatists for October 18, while the leadership of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic has planned elections for November 1.

    The sources noted that sanctions “are not an end in themselves for the US or EU,” but if the Minsk deal is violated, they “won’t have any other choice.”

    “If representatives of Lugansk and Donetsk continue to press this point and elections in the Donbass [eastern Ukraine] are held separately from the general Ukrainian election, do not follow Ukrainian law, and are inaccessible to international observers, this will be a serious and demonstrative blow to the Minsk agreements,” the source told Kommersant.

    The government in Kiev has appealed to Donetsk and Lugansk on numerous occasions, asking for elections to be held there in accordance with Ukrainian law, at the same time as the country's general election. The self-proclaimed republics have claimed that Kiev violated the Minsk agreements by passing a new law on local elections without consulting Donetsk and Lugansk.

    The topic of local elections in Donetsk and Lugansk will be addressed in September at a meeting of the Ukrainian, Russian, French, and German foreign ministers in Minsk. The topic is also expected to be addressed at a UN General Assembly meeting in New York in late September.

    The conflict in eastern Ukraine between separatists and pro-government forces has been raging since April 2014. In February 2015, a peace deal was drawn up in Minsk by Ukraine, Russia, France, and Germany.

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    Even stranger actions are now ongoing in the Russian mercenary occupied zones---

    11:16 #Donetsk @funkermanjke All separatists' channels down

    More strangeness from the Russian mercenaries----
    UA forces near Mykolaivka found the bodies of 5 men in camouflage with RU tricolor chevrons, "LPR" emblem, weapons
    http://ato.lisichansk.in.ua/na-lugan...a-7-09-15.html

    10:48 #Makiivka Zeleniy @666_mancer [fb] I can also hear salvos from downtown direction, some of them sound closer

    11:05 #Makiivka @PVB40 [fb] "Salvos are audible, I hope they fight one another"

    More 'drills' around Donetsk-Makiivka?

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    Reference Russian weaponization of information---

    Gen. Hodges: Putin is using information like rockets - without precision&parliamentary control. We do have 2push back pic.twitter.com/ZROXqv0VZZ

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    http://www.newsweek.com/putins-gambl...n-might-368883

    This article first appeared on the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University site.

    Putin’s Gamble: An End to NATO and Restoration of Russian Might

    By Stephen R. Covington 9/6/15 at 1:28 PM

    In 1985, a Soviet leader came to power, leading one of the two superpowers in a bi-polar world, commanding a powerful military and leading a party mandated with changing the world.

    Mikhail Gorbachev was also equipped with something far more powerful than the weapons in the Soviet arsenal—forecasts of the USSR’s future inability to compete with the United States in economic, technological and military terms. Gorbachev was convinced that the Soviet war economy and its priorities would constrain and exhaust its national capacity to compete successfully at the end of the 20th century—and that the internal system needed change for the USSR to sustain itself as a competitive, global power.

    Gorbachev decisively chose economic reforms and disengagement from strategic confrontation with the West to address Soviet non-competitiveness. Internal political and economic changes to the Soviet system were intended to strengthen the USSR and renew its economic and technological base for sustained global competition in the 21st century.

    He disengaged the Soviet Union from external strategic confrontation through conventional and nuclear arms reductions, changed Soviet security and defense policies and reduced arms expenditures. Gorbachev’s choice ended decades of direct military confrontation between the Soviet Union and NATO, and Eastern Europe’s political revolutions ultimately led to the geographic separation of Soviet and NATO military forces.

    In 1991, Gorbachev was swept from power by the political and economic forces unleashed by his attempted internal reform of the USSR. 30 years later, another Russian leader driven by similar concerns about future strategic non-competitiveness has set this country on a path to address and reverse its non-competitive position in the world.

    Vladimir Putin’s Russia today, however, is on a very different course from Gorbachev. After implementing liberal economic reforms aimed at strengthening Russia’s sovereignty in the early years of his rule, Putin has rejected structural, internal economic and political reforms, fearing that like Gorbachev he too could be swept from power.

    Putin’s choice reflects a view that Russia can only address its non-competitiveness by changing the world around Russia, and most critically, by changing the European security system. In Putin’s view, any solution short of changing the European security system—including full integration, separation by erecting new walls, freezing the status quo around Russia, or partnering with other countries to counter-balance the powers in the European system—only means Russia’s inevitable loss of great power status and the loss of his personal power at home.

    Consequently, Putin is rearming Russia, remilitarizing Russia’s overall approach to security, changing Russia’s defense concepts, adopting continuous destabilization strategies against neighboring states and returning to old policy formulas for internal and external security—all justified and rationalized by the perceived threat posed by the U.S./European security system around Russia.

    His policy requires a changed Europe to enhance Russian strategic competitiveness and requires a changed Europe to avoid political change inside Russia. These two Russian campaigns—one external and one internal—are interfused. Success in one campaign is dependent on success in the other. More importantly, failure in one campaign is perceived as prompting failure in the other.

    President Putin’s decision is influenced by Russia’s experiences since the end of the Cold War—internal coup attempts, terrorist attacks, “colored revolutions” around Russia, wars inside and outside of Russia, unfinished reforms and perceptions of Russia’s natural vulnerability to a fate similar to that of the USSR given its one-dimensional economic base and political superstructure.

    However, Putin’s policy is driven mostly by concerns about Russia’s inability to compete on almost any level and in almost any sphere with the world’s greatest powers absent fundamental changes to the security, energy, economic and financial systems around Russia.

    Russia does have long-standing critical views of the European security architecture. U.S. and NATO Ballistic Missile Defense programs, a variety of NATO and EU policies and actions and U.S. security and defense integration on the continent have been a few of the many points of criticism from Moscow over the years.

    Dimitri Medvedev, then the President of Russia, proposed a new European security architecture shortly after the Russian conflict with Georgia in 2008 to change the European security system. While Putin’s policy is consistent with well-documented Russian criticisms of Europe’s security architecture, his actions differ substantially from previous Russian approaches.

    Previous Russian approaches could be characterized as attempting to “break into” the European security system to politically divide and overrule. In contrast, Putin’s current approach attempts to “break out” of the European security system, divide Europe and establish new rules. This is a fundamental change of approach that reflects a fundamental change of policy.

    Russian political and military experts also have long envied the Chinese security model. In many ways, Putin’s Russia seeks a security system in Europe that resembles the security environment China has in the Pacific.

    For the Chinese, there is no real Asian-wide architecture of transpacific security akin to Europe’s transatlantic security that collectively counter-balances national power. China is able to use its economic and military strengths with a wider range of freedom, acting opportunistically, wielding its power to divide and overrule, protect territories and interests and navigate its strengths in a security environment with strategic but isolated pockets of U.S.-Pacific defense integration.

    Simultaneously China has integrated economically, gained access to technology, modernized its economic system and maintained continuity in political control over the internal system.

    Russian security experts also have admired the fact that China has evolved and grown into a great economic power without the political and economic turmoil Russia suffered in the 1990s—turmoil that has cost Russia time, money, energy and opportunity.

    Russia’s leadership wants a Europe without strategic Alliances, without multi-national organizations and without a U.S.-Europe Transatlantic link that can through collective policies and action offset the national strengths Russia would hold over any one European nation. It would be a European security environment that would allow Russia to apply its national strengths to great effect without challenge and competition—enhancing its power abroad and at home.

    This is the end-state of Putin’s strategy, and it requires changing the European security system—the rules of the game—to sustain Russia’s capability to compete with Europe and other regional powers poles outside Europe. Conversely, the policy strictly seeks to freeze the political rules of the game inside Russia, and end meaningful political competition at home. Russia’s leaders have concluded that the European system is both vulnerable and unjust.

    In the Russian view, the European security system is vulnerable because it is weakened by a diffusion of global power, political devolution, sapped of economic wealth and attacked by forces of disorder in other parts of the world. Putin also has concluded that the current European security system is unjust because it confines and restricts Russia’s ability to exercise her inherent national strengths, inflicting a modern form of multi-dimensional, multi-level strategic encirclement of Russia.

    Russia’s leaders claim the European security system is part of a global system whose purpose is to advance a unipolar, U.S.-dominated global order. Moreover, Russia’s leaders assert that preventing Russia from attaining its proper place in a just global order is a prerequisite to sustain the current unjust global order.

    Russia’s policy seeks to change first the principles and rules upon which Europe and other countries have prospered and grounded their economic and military security, then replace them with new principles and new rules that would enhance the strengths of an unreformed, Putin-led Russia and compensate for its weaknesses.

    As Russia’s campaign against Ukraine has demonstrated, this is a “rule breaker to be rule maker” strategy, and the strategy relies on a variety of internal and external means to achieve its ends. Internally, the strategy feeds nationalism, familiarity and orientation to the disempowered Russian people, offers the prospect for greater profit to the powerful rich and promises purpose, identity and resources to the power ministries (e.g., Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Interior).

    Externally, the strategy relies on the use of all elements of power—including military—to discredit, devalue and delegitimize the current European security system. The roots of this strategy have many antecedents in Soviet policy, yet his policy is not that of the Soviet Union. Nor is it a policy that strictly and narrowly follows nationalist aims for redrawing borders to revive a Novorossiya or rebuild the Soviet empire.

    Continued..................
    I have repeated the mantra here that Putin has three distinct geo political goals in mind since Crimea.

    1. discredit and damage NATO
    2. discredit and damage the EU
    3. disconnect the US totally from Europe

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    Col. Andriy Lysenko: To the north of Horlivka, enemy snipers were detected, another armed provocation occurred near Kirove village

    ATO spox: Donetsk sector: Militants opened fire twice with small arms near Svitlodarsk water reservoir

    Russian Spetsnaz team was eliminated---ambushed by Ukrainian SF??????
    Col. Lysenko: 5 enemy saboteurs were found dead near Bolotene village: 2 weeks ago this reconnaissance group planned hostilities in UA rear

    ATO spokesperson: Luhansk sector: 1 armed provocation near Shchastya town: enemy fired grenade launchers at the UA positions few times

    Col. Andriy Lysenko: Military situation in eastern Ukraine remains calm. Across the contact line, heavy weapons were not used by militants

    ATO spox: One more member of a so-called “DPR” militia returned home within SBU program of voluntary capitulation of militants

    Col. Lysenko: SBU detained a former RU prisoner who had been recruited to fight against UA Army by Federal Security Service of Russia

    ATO spox: Most strained situation remained yesterday near Maryinka: enemy executed “disturbing” fire throughout the day, enemy IFV was used

    ATO spokesperson: Ukrainian Armed Forces did not incur any casualties; two servicemen were wounded in action in last 24 hours

    Col. Andriy Lysenko: Yesterday, a flight of one enemy UAV was recorded within the military operation area

    ATO spokesperson: Yesterday, cease-fire regime was fully observed at the frontline stretching from Horlivka to Yasynuvata

    Col. Andriy Lysenko: To the north of Horlivka, enemy snipers were detected, another armed provocation occurred near Kirove village

    ATO spox: Donetsk sector: Militants opened fire twice with small arms near Svitlodarsk water reservoir

    Low Level Fighting Continues; 2 Ukrainian Soldiers And 1 Civilian Wounded.
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    Hmm.
    Is man on left at August 2006 Eurasian Youth Camp Brazilian-Russian #DPR mercenary Rafael Lusvarghi (Varyag) ? pic.twitter.com/4LY18nhmYL

    More Russian cyber warfare----
    National Guard: @NatsGvardiya is a fake account, official info is posted at site
    http://ngu.gov.ua Source: http://ngu.gov.ua/ua/news/u-twitter-...rdiyi-ukrayiny

    A woman was wounded this morning after tripping a mine near Berezove checkpoint - MIA
    http://www.mvs.gov.ua/mvs/control/do...article/223969

    Russian occupation forces 2S1 (new camo) live-firing exercises, Uspenka range, Luhansk region 7 Sep via @BuTaJIu4eK https://youtu.be/00fdW2EacdU

    Russia continues to steal from the Ukraine—is their economy in that bad of a condition????
    Russian fishermen plundering Ukraine's fish stocks in Azov-Black Sea basin
    https://translate.googleusercontent....e&usg=ALkJrhgr XjBCAE9JS7I0xrTY3kpjfYZ2g …

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    Reference Moldavia----

    Russian trolls need to get their story straight on Moldova. Talking about imminent "pro-Western coup". Moldova is already pro-Western.


    A drone footage of #Moldova's anti-corruption protest, one of the biggest in local history
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvOpsxHws2s … pic.twitter.com/C4HT7CaASU
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    First time this has been done with a snap exercise--central district takes in Moscow.

    Putin brings Russian Central Military District to full combat readiness
    http://www.unian.info/world/1119469-...readiness.html … pic.twitter.com/XgitJ8043q

    Original (in Russian) http://arguendi.livejournal.com/1565521.html Rostov via Matveev Kurgan / Uspenka Check Point to Horlivka and back pic.twitter.com/F3MAMKKRJ4

    Remember this? Full report by "Reconnaissance Horlivka" on 14 Aug supply trip from Rostov https://translate.google.ie/translat...tml&edit-text= … pic.twitter.com/mIzLWpKJRn

    Putin spending Billions on weapons but many #Russia(ns) poor & starving http://www.dw.com/en/russias-poor-i-...eat/a-18697608 … pic.twitter.com/pbgxJ8sUeE

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference Moldavia----

    Russian trolls need to get their story straight on Moldova. Talking about imminent "pro-Western coup". Moldova is already pro-Western.


    A drone footage of #Moldova's anti-corruption protest, one of the biggest in local history
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvOpsxHws2s … pic.twitter.com/C4HT7CaASU
    Peskov : Kremlin is closely monitoring situation in Moldova https://twitter.com/rianru/status/640826741129388032

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    In the Luhansk region, police seized large cache of weapons and ammunition
    http://www.mvs.gov.ua/mvs/control/lu...article/182393 … pic.twitter.com/vJUO1Sddkp

    This is the Russian social media report on the eliminated Spetsnaz team two weeks ago.
    RUS source: "August 24 near #StanytsiaLuhanska scout group by Ratibor perished, 6 KIA, 1 WIA
    " @Kit_Vasyl pic.twitter.com/D8SzfKoqjZ

    Human rights watchgods issue list of forced disappearances in #Russia-occupied #Crimea:
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/09/0...ces-in-crimea/ … pic.twitter.com/Kv9Wf52Cz6

    Russian weaponization of information continues unabated--------
    Meanwhile the Russian Embassy in the UK is becoming really vulgar in its continued spreading of blunt lies
    . pic.twitter.com/nBQ1fLcj9W

    WW2 victim donates 2,000 euros to Ukrainian fighters: “I would give them my heart”
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/09/0...them-my-heart/
    pic.twitter.com/nsM5fJeQXO

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    US-Estonia drills rattle #Kremlin bosses
    http://uatoday.tv/politics/us-estoni...es-489032.html … pic.twitter.com/UrstHNfdX0

    Intriguingly, if Putin did not reconquer Crimea from Kyiv junta, Crimean draftees would have no chance to die in Syria for Assad

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    Putin puts troops of Russian Central Military District inc. military aviation and transport aircraft on "full alert"

    http://top.rbc.ru/politics/07/09/201...7947b38cbede6c

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    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.de/...n-nuclear.html

    Monday, September 7, 2015

    ‘Moscow Preparing for Victory in Nuclear War,’ ‘Nezavisimaya Gazeta’ Says

    Paul Goble

    Staunton, September 7 – Over the last week, the editors of Moscow’s “Nezavisimaya gazeta” point out in an editorial today, the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces have conducted “two large-scale exercises which in essence reject the well-known thesis that in a nuclear war, there cannot be a victor.”

    And that suggests, as the editors put it in the headline of their article, “Russia is preparing for victory in a nuclear war,” a shift that is undoubtedly intended in the first instance to intimidate the West but that represents a dangerous escalation of rhetoric and action in an unstable time (ng.ru/editorial/2015-09-07/2_red.html).

    These exercises strongly suggest, “Nezavisimaya gazeta” says that Russian commanders no longer view an exchange of weapons of mass destruction “as the inevitable end of humanity.” And they add: “if that is so, then [the Russian military and Russian political leadership] should tell us that directly.”

    Both the size of the exercises – they covered some 20 Russian regions – and their focus – practicing the decontamination of locales hit by chemical, bacteriological and nuclear weapons – suggest, the editors continue, that Russia’s Strategic Rocket Forces are thinking about fighting and winning a nuclear war.

    After describing the various units involved and the actions they took, the editors conclude that “in other words, the scenario developed in the maneuvers shows that Russia’s Strategic Rocket Forces are preparing to carry out military tasks after an attack by an opponent on our country” involving the use of “nuclear weapons.”

    “More than that, they write, what the Russian military is practicing is to launch a counter strike even after such an attack, an action which in the past has been called “’a shot from the grave’” and that many analysts have suggested is an important part of deterrence against a first strike by suggesting that no first attack could prevent a response.

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    Donetsk @BertaBerta234 unconfirmed: "Purgin's assistant Aleksandrov met with and accident trying to flee from DNR..."

    Donetsk @666_mancer "I was given 2 images, they say yesterday ones, don't know exactly" pic.twitter.com/xGwQoGKiJ1

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    Reference Moldavia-----

    Correspondent of Russia Today was forbidden to enter Moldova

    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/7-septe...s-forbidden-to

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    Militants preparing tanks for offensive pic.twitter.com/Fm9RdA2LLn http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/7-septe...-for-offensive

    A trilateral meeting of Ukraine , Russia and the EU ended prematurely, an hour after the start http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/7-septe...russia-and-the

    Meeting was in reference to the EU Association Agreement---
    Trade issue RU-UA-EU should be severe RU trade sanctions against UA, not imagined DCFTA impact on RU. http://www.eurointegration.com.ua/ru.../09/7/7037949/

    Major bomb attack averted in Odessa pic.twitter.com/90BnrUhA3K http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/7-septe...erted-in-odesa

    Ukraine cease-fire allows time to regroup http://24today.net/open/520887 pic.twitter.com/67XKmNkaz2

    Now UA-held Volnovakha is reporting that only DNR TV channels are live... https://twitter.com/Volnovakha/statu...91648923279360

    Markings on a captured TBG-7 thermobaric grenade for the RPG-7 #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/DHHKaY8zI4

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    The biggest military drill in Russia since February 2014 before Crimea Invasion where 90.000 soldiers were involved.

    If Russia can rapidly deploy 95,000 troops and 7,000 pieces of hardware, shouldn't NATO be able to at least match it? http://tass.ru/en/russia/819367

    A.Lysenko:no use of heavy weapons observed along the frontline, Ukrainian troops incur no loss
    http://uacrisis.org/33048-andrij-lisenko-90 … pic.twitter.com/NOVwA1ggK9

    Ukrainian-Russian border'll be equiped with 8 modern radar systems from US company Aerocraft http://24today.net/open/520936 pic.twitter.com/y2EVH5AsYf

    RU FSB recognized detention of 3 Ukrainian paratroopers for "illegally crossing of border with Russia (UKR Crimea)" http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2805213

    RU MFA: "In countries.. like the Baltics.. Nazism is rearing its head and thus they present a threat for their neighbors" I AM NOT KIDDING


    Uh-oh: #Russia SledCom Markin compares #Ukraine leaders with Nazi leaders hanged after Nuremberg trials. In RU http://sledcom.ru/news/item/964113
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    Pushilin denies that Purgin has been arrested, as claimed by DNR "lawmaker" Ellada Shaftner earlier today http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2805184

    Russian 9th Independent Motor Rifle Brigade in Rostov region nr Ukraine border June-Sep 2014 https://vk.com/album-26250088_217294104 … pic.twitter.com/RAm4POP8gF

    9th Inde' Motor Rifle Brigade (military unit в/ч 54046) now in process of moving garrison from Nizhny Novgorod to Boguchar, Voronezh region

    Jun-Sep 2014 9th Motor Rifle were near Bakay, Chertkovsky district 8km from Ukraine border https://vk.com/photo-26250088_371036944 … pic.twitter.com/52lVuXMBz9

    Photos show 9th Motor Rifle Brigade being deployed by railway to Rostov region pic.twitter.com/nLXq2qmAP7

    9th Motor Rifle Brigade building positions hidden in woodland cover near Ukraine border (Jun-Sep 2014) pic.twitter.com/zChGTYrikb

    9th Motor Rifle troops emerge from woodland edge to recce Ukraine border (Jun-Sep 2014) pic.twitter.com/0H8xwCWnMz

    Russian Navy disrupts civilian ships in Lithuanian waters http://fb.me/4LIcFWr4m

    Putin held an operational meeting with the permanent members of the Security Council of #Russia in #Moscow, Monday
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmCRgUBj4lc
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    New Anonymous International leaks show the grim reality of life in ‘Donetsk People's Republic’

    http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/0...epublic-leaks/ … pic.twitter.com/G9i5nhStOx

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    Russia's leadership wants a Europe without strategic Alliances... & without a U.S.-Europe Transatlantic link"

    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...-russian-might

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