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    The Western threats to Russia are so frightening, that Putin's daughter actually lived in the West, as well as Lavrov's and the rest.

    As a matter of fact, Russians are feeling so insecure about NATO that their sanctioned propagandists BEG to issue them visas

    More Russian corruption-----
    System's rotten to the bone:5 Billion rubles stolen in the process of construction at Russian cosmodrome "Vostochny" http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1696450.html

    Klmikin: #Russia wants to create biggest-ever frozen conflict in history of Europe. Putin wants Eurasian Union for geopolitical leverage

    FM Klimkin: RU pursuit of Customs Union proof Russia pursuing old imperial model, not western model of inclusion

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    Am not convinced this ceasefire will hold as Russian troops have not moved one inch towards withdrawal under Minsk 2--is an informational warfare drive by Russia to hinder the EU sanctions roll over in December--especially aimed at the French as being viewed the less supportive right now due to their farmers being hurt by the sanctions and French farmers are none for their vocal complaints and votes.

    Will continue to track and post anything that is of interest around Minsk 2 implementations or lack thereof and will cover immediately if the fighting breaks out again.

    But overall will slowly fade into the background with the postings-----it has been an interesting year and the postings clearly point to five distinct single points of failure within the Russian non linear warfare that deserve some serious discussion in the coming months AS well as how to counter the Russian weaponization of information, economics and cyber warfare/cyber crime.

    There has been more than enough materials posted in the two Ukrainian war threads to conduct this discussion and research.
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    70% of #Donetsk budget is from #Russia, says rebel commander Khodakovsky. As for military aid, that's "taboo topic." http://m.fontanka.ru/2015/09/07/163/print.html

    The Kremlin's demand in Minsk: Ukraine to feed|fund Donbass, Russia to control it" - Kuchma
    #YESUkraine2015

    Purgin abducted by Russian special services
    http://www.unian.info/politics/11213...-services.html … pic.twitter.com/nHuktVUsRk

    Did you know that 20 Russian warships have visited #NATO member Spain since Russia invaded & annexed Crimea in 2014? http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...e-russian-navy

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    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.de/...e-ukraine.html

    September 11, 2015

    Putin Seeking to Destabilize Ukraine While ‘Imitating’ a Russian Pullback in Donbas, Portnikov Says

    Paul Goble

    Staunton, September 11 – In an effort to get the West to end its sanctions on Russia, Vladimir Putin will continue to sharply reduce pro-Moscow military actions in the Donbas over the next month, Vitaly Portnikov says; but even as he does so, the Kremlin leader will do everything he can to destabilize and thus discredit Ukraine from the inside.

    This combination, Portnikov argues, suggests that Putin is preparing for a “Minsk 3” agreement when he meets with the leaders of France, Germany and Ukraine in Paris on October 3, an agreement that will require “joint guarantees.” Otherwise, the four could have met on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly (liga.net/opinion/249844_minsk-3-o-chem-budet-dogovarivatsya-normandskaya-chetverka-v-parizhe.htm).

    It appears, the Ukrainian analyst says, that “if it isn’t seeking a way out of the dead end it finds itself in the Donbas, Russia will attempt to imitate this exit” in order to extract as much as possible from the West. Indeed, since August 29 when Hollande, Merkel and Putin spoke on the telephone, “the intensity of fire from the side of Russian forces … has fallen sharply.”

    That fall-off, Portnikov continues, has prompted the French president to speak “even about the possibility of lifting sanctions against Russia” if the Minsk accords are fulfilled. It is unlikely that Holland would have said that “if he did not feel that the Kremlin beast was not really close to withdrawal and needed support from the civilized world.”

    Putin “really is in a very complicated situation, perhaps the most complex from the moment power was transferred to him by Yeltsin,” Portnikov says. The Russian economy is collapsing, and even his advisors are talking about the lack of sufficient gold reserves to support the ruble.

    The Kremlin leader may soon not have the money needed to pay its social security obligations, and Putin and his entourage “remember what happens with Russians when bravura television hysterics are not accompanied by the payment of their accustomed subsidies, pensions and salaries.”

    This means, he suggests, that “Russia is again in the customary fog of revolt and destabilization” itself. Putin has to do what he can to avoid that, and one important step in that direction is to eliminate sanctions or at least ensure that there won’t be new and more serious ones imposed.

    Putin always faces a serious problem in the Middle East, Portnikov argues, primarily because he wants to show that he can support a totalitarian regime that has loyally supported Moscow. If he doesn’t back Syria’s Asad, he will have shown that he won’t or can’t support even his allies, not a message the Kremlin leader wants to send.

    “But the resources of the Kremlin adventurist are really limited, and for sending forces to Syria, Putin needs relief in the Donbas,” and hence the current reduction in violence there. In this situation, what concessions is Putin prepared to make, given his own goals and given the attitudes of the West?

    According to Portnikov, it is quite likely that even Putin hasn’t decided yet and that he realizes that what will happen in Paris on October 2 will depend to a large extent on what happens over the next three weeks.

    Putin may very well keep violence in the Donbas at a low level: that will help him with his Western interlocutors. But he will beyond any doubt “rock the boat” of Ukraine “because it is important to him that [Ukrainian President] Poroshenko will arrive in Paris without any sense of prospects and be ready for new concessions” of his own.”

    Moreover, over this period, the Ukrainian analyst suggests, Putin may also take actions in the Middle East designed to drive up the price of oil, something that will give him more leverage and reduce that of the West on Russian behavior.

    With regard to Ukraine, it seems clear that Putin will now “throw all his reserves into the destabilization of the situation” there, making use of everyone from “the most anti-Ukrainian chauvinists to the most patriotic patriots” to embarrass and weaken Ukraine both in reality and even more in the eyes of the West.

    Thus, Portnikov says, the next few weeks are critical because “the stakes in October are really high.”

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    Latitude 67N SIGINT @Sigint67n
    RUAF VHF comms in Gulf of Finland

    Russia is not interested in work to close Ukrainian-Russian border - Kuchma https://twitter.com/BBC_ua/status/642315240626094080

    'Murmansk' Electronic Warfare Complex Takes Root in Crimea: https://en.informnapalm.org/5320-mur...oot-in-crimea/ … via @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/NZHRQMNhh5

    RU says Ukraine should remain unitary sovereign state. I assume they will return Crimea. What else can it mean? https://twitter.com/MID_RF/status/642304995623309313

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    Really worth reading in light of Putin's move into Syria--Long but really worth it---

    http://warontherocks.com/2015/09/put...han-you-think/

    Putin’s Strategy is Far Better than You Think

    Michael Kofman

    September 7, 2015

    Is Vladimir Putin a strategic genius or not? In a recent War on the Rocks article, the scholar Joshua Rovner comes down hard in the “not” camp, arguing that Putin is a terrible strategist and laying out the ramifications of his strategic incompetence for the United States and its NATO allies. This is another salvo in a long-running debate between competing Western narratives of Russia: an alarmist position perpetually worried that “the Russians are coming,” and a dismissive one that believes Russia is a giant Potemkin village destined to fall apart as a result of self-defeating behavior. Unfortunately both views are wrong, but Western analysis often see-saws between these two perspectives as soon as one falls out of favor. One of the shortfalls of Rovner’s article is that it fails to explain what Russia’s strategy is, which in turn raises a more important question: Does American failure to understand Russia’s strategy make it a poor one?

    Russia in perspective

    First, there needs to be a more balanced and informed understanding of Russia. A quote, variously attributed over the years to Churchill, Talleyrand, or Metternich sums it up well: “Russia is never as strong as she looks, nor as weak as she looks.” Russia is a regional power in structural decline, but retains a remarkable capacity to muddle through, hang around, and cause trouble. It has often appeared to be the sick man of Europe (a term originally used to describe the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century), technologically backwards, with a political system that does not meet the demands of modern society. Napoleon and Hitler, among others, have made the mistake of assuming that Russian weakness and backwardness made the country an easy mark.

    Since early 2014, Russia has suffered from a recession followed by an economic crisis, largely due to a sharp decline in oil prices. While Western sanctions have multiplied the hardship, Russia’s economic problems are structural and its current economic crisis a result of global factors that have nothing to do with events in Ukraine. They are due, in fact, to Saudi Arabia’s efforts to keep oil prices low in an effort to crush the U.S. shale extraction industry (and from a U.S. point of view, this is nothing to be happy about, even if it comes at Russia’s expense). China’s economic downturn is also little cause for cheer.

    Whether a good or bad strategist, Putin is no economist. Even his close associates like former finance minister Alexei Kudrin reminded him of this on a regular basis. Russia’s budget is inexorably tied to the price of energy, as was the Soviet Union’s. Vladimir Putin did not invent this dependence, but he has done little to improve it beyond some technological bright spots and the defense industry. Yet Putin’s domestic support is somewhat explained by the fact that Russia experienced an economic boom for much of his rule, which translated into higher standards of living and expendable income.

    Despite economic weakness, Russia is militarily the strongest it has been since the Cold War, fielding the most capable, modernized, and well-funded force it is likely going to have for the foreseeable future. This year, spending on defense as a share of GDP will likely peak at 4.2 percent, up from 3.4 percent in 2014. The total force has been growing and could be over 800,000 today, with a consistently increasing percentage of contract soldiers that are tested through snap drills and exercises. No NATO country is increasing defense spending, the size of the force, and its readiness, and procuring new equipment , at the rate Russia has been since 2009. Due to the current economic crisis, Russia’s modernization programs will take a haircut, but its main limitations are technical rather than financial. Russia may not be able to defeat NATO, but its conventional power is sufficient to impose major costs in a conflict with the West or crush any former Soviet republic.

    The Kremlin knows how to use force

    Rovner argues that Russia’s annexation of Crimea is “ham-fisted” and states that Putin lacks understanding of the “relationship between military violence and political objectives.” This is a puzzling assessment given that Russia has consistently demonstrated its ability to use military force to achieve desired political ends. Russia’s counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism campaign in Chechnya was by all accounts brutal, but successful. It stabilized a notoriously restless region to the point that Russia could be bold enough to host the Sochi Olympics nearby in 2014. Russia’s brief war with Georgia in 2008 demonstrated terrible military inadequacies, but still achieved its strategic purpose by ending any serious consideration of NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine. Eventually, that defeat also resulted in an inglorious end to President Mikhail Saakashvili’s political career in his country; Georgia seeks him on political charges and he now serves as governor of Odessa in Ukraine.

    Compared with the war in Georgia, Russia’s annexation of Crimea demonstrated a decisive and competent use of force to achieve political ends. Without losing a single soldier, Moscow seized the most strategically important part of Ukraine, from which it can control almost the entire Black Sea. This secured basing rights for its fleet, and will allow it to deploy anti-access and area-denial weaponry, covering most of the sea and southern Ukraine. In and of itself, the loss of Crimea creates a permanent territorial dispute in Ukraine’s borders — a frozen conflict of sorts with strategic consequences for its aspirations of Western integration. In eastern Ukraine, Russia has demonstrated flexibility and willingness to escalate. In the span of only a few months, it has cycled from political warfare to state-sponsored insurgency, hybrid war, and limited conventional war. Granted, the first three proved ineffective in getting Ukraine and the West to negotiate a compromise that would lead to federalization, but they were economy of force measures, leaving room for escalation and improvisation as necessary.

    Lawrence Freedman has also criticized Putin’s strategy in War on the Rocks. These assessments often fall victim to reading Putin’s speeches and statements as though Russia’s strategy can be found therein. Putin’s statements are not official declarations of policy, but instead a supporting theatrical role to whatever strategy is being implemented. Freedman believes it is unhelpful to call Putin a good strategist, but it is even more problematic to underestimate and misunderstand your opponent. From a purely analytical standpoint, Russia has done reasonably well in pursuit of his objectives in Ukraine. Whether weak or strong, Russia faced a basic challenge: how to impose control and influence on Ukraine, the second largest country in Europe. Certainly Moscow lacks the military strength to occupy all of Ukraine, but that is a null point. The point is to control Ukraine without owning it. The memory of the Soviet war in Afghanistan is still fresh in Russia, and its leadership has no interest in a costly proxy war with the West, especially one that would also destroy Ukraine in the process.

    Continued........

    In February 2014, Russia capitalized on local agitation and discord in eastern Ukraine through informal networks. Many in the West see this as a pre-planned contingency, but it is difficult to understand the basis for this theory. If it was a well planned-out special forces mission, a pudgy historical re-enactor named Igor Girkin, with a paramilitary rabble from Crimea, would not be leading it.

    Instead Moscow tried to leverage the networks of business elites, oligarchs, and pro-Russian agitators that had been on the fringe of Ukraine’s politics. Ukraine was an oligarchy, with plenty of powerful non-state actors in the east that lost big when the president was ousted. They worked with Russia to take advantage of the confusion and public anxiety, setting up “people’s” mayors and governors, with Russian intelligence helping to orchestrate the protests. These self-declared anti-Maidan leaders barely lasted days and were arrested by local Ukrainian authorities. The effort was cheap political warfare, hardly the professional special forces operation that is often described in the West. The investment was actually quite low compared to what Russia hoped to gain out of it: Ukraine’s capitulation to a federalization scheme. One can conclude that this was either the worst planned and executed subversion effort in recent history, or more likely, the best Russia could come up with in a hurry.

    Separatism in eastern Ukraine began as an ad hoc approach to get Ukraine on the cheap, and Russia simply kept escalating in a quest for the lowest price. After political warfare failed in March, Russia switched to direct action in April and May in the hope of scaring Ukraine into believing that a large-scale secession of “Novorossiya” was possible. Putin’s speeches were part of the effort to convince and frighten Kiev, not official statements of Russian strategy. A brief “hybrid war” followed from June to August, when Russia understood that Ukraine did indeed have the will to resist and still had some functioning military capability, enough to take on a small force of insurgents. At that point, only overt use of force would accomplish what Moscow wanted, hence it openly invaded.


    Continued.........

    Putin doesn’t seem to be doing too badly


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    Ukraine MFA preparing diplomatic steps in response to #Berlusconi's illegal entry into occupied #Crimea.
    http://ru.krymr.com/content/news/27242526.html

    Breaking: SBU accuses volunteer battalion commander of a plot to kill Ukraine's Minister of Internal @AvakovArsen

    According to SBU, the commander has been detained, and the plot included killing MP&volunteers http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/uk...6&cat_id=39574

    Donetsk @14720Maro [fb] "This morning around 6am along H21 route 19 trucks drove, loaded with guess what? military bunks

    Fantastic photos of the Russian Tu-160 Blackjack bombers intercepted by RAF Typhoons yesterday http://wp.me/p2TYIs-8JN pic.twitter.com/GhkP9LC8UE
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    Militants simulate withdrawal of heavy weapons, - ATO speaker http://en.censor.net.ua/n351509

    Sweden summons #Russia ambass to explain "consequences"if Sweden join #NATO http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34225903 … pic.twitter.com/wWEYdrquNN
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    http://en.censor.net.ua/n351498

    11.09.15 15:14

    “We received weapons in Rostov. They promised to pay $4,500 per month,” interview with Russian mercenary

    According to the Russian mercenary, who returned to Russia from the Donbas, the citizens of the Russian Federation participated in war on the territory of Ukraine for money.

    Censor.NET published interview of "LPR" militant Vyacheslav Isaev with the Russian Dozhd TV channel earlier in August. The transcription of the text, which was not included in the video of the interview, was later published on the listock.ru.

    "I was promised to get paid. They even put a firm figure - $4,500 per month. I was planned to go there as an instructor, to teach insurgents military tactics and assist the Russian people in general. We gathered in St. Petersburg in the office of private military company, received munitions there. The weapons were provided in Rostov. We also received armored vehicles there. We entered Donbas through Severnyi border crossing point. It was not actually a border crossing point but a section of the border, which was opened for entry," terrorist Isaev said.

    He also confirmed that the citizens of Russia participated in the war in Donbas for money: "The majority of them came there being promised money. I guess someone got paid while others were scammed. I was paid nothing at all."

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    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...-in-kiev/#9910

    'Day Without Shelling' in Ukraine Ends This Afternoon with Russian-backed Separatist Attacks on Avdeyevka, Opytnoye

    18:27 (GMT)

    As we reported, President Petro Poroshenko noted this morning at the YES Conference that this was the first 24-hour period without shelling in southeastern Ukraine in 18 months.

    Since the latest "ceasefire" was declared September 1 as the Minsk peace talks continue, fighting has been reduced and yesterday there was only one Ukrainian soldier and one civilian hurt by shelling.

    But unfortunately, the day wasn't over yet.

    An hour ago, the ATO [Anti-Terrorism Operation] press center announced on their Facebook page that from 12:35 to 13:02 south of Avdeyevka, Ukrainian positions were pummeled once again with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms, and one Ukrainian serviceman was injured.

    At 17:20, Russian-backed separatists fired from the direction of Spartak from large-caliber artillery and grenade-launchers on Ukrainian positions in Opytnoye.

    Even so, Ukrainian Armed Forces are using the relative calm to attempt to restore utilities in Zaytsevo and Mayorsk areas and are also building bridges in Krasnogorovka and Soledar. Schools that were hit by artillery fire early this year in Luganskaya and Svetlodar are being repaired, and mines are being removed from around grain silos.
    Donetsk 21:26
    "Kalinovka - something exploded?"
    https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...03858984103936

    Donetsk 21:27
    "It was salvo what i've heard in center?"
    "In center was loud, it seems that at Kalinovka somewheare" https://twitter.com/CatBoobon/status/642403985207488514

    Krasnohorivka
    20:17 Heavy volleys
    21:05 Quiet
    21:27 Machine guns
    21:35 Quiet
    21:39 Again volleys https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...16735006625792

    Action around Krasnogorovka/Mariinka - booms (AGLs?), machineguns, varying intensity, last 2 hrs or so
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 09-11-2015 at 07:37 PM.

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    I have written a number of times here --Putin wants a completely new Yalta.

    I would bet that his actions in the Ukraine and Syria are in fact designed to drive that conversation.

    Question is will Obama cave and give him his new spheres of influence as he did in pressuring the Ukraine into unilateral appeasement moves with no reciprocal demands on Putin.

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Russia called for development of dialogue on consolidating the Yalta-Potsdam system & the #UN Charter
    http://goo.gl/OpyJVZ @RF_OSCE

    At Russia’s initiative, Serbia, the current chair of the OSCE, held a conference dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the end of World War II in Belgrade on September 8. The event was attended by delegations of the OSCE countries and prominent members of the scientific community. The conference was opened by First Deputy Prime Minister of Serbia and Foreign Minister Ivica Dačić. Noted Russian scholar and public figure Natalia Narochnitskaya, president of the Historical Perspective Study Foundation, was one of the key speakers at the meeting.

    During the meeting the Russian delegation led by Director of the Foreign Ministry Department for Humanitarian Cooperation and Human Rights Anatoly Viktorov and representatives of other countries and the expert community rebuffed attempts to falsify the history of World War II, forget the historical feat of the Soviet people who routed Nazism and liberated Europe, and revise the principles and verdict of the Nuremberg Trials, which have become part of international law.

    During open debates, Russian experts called for consolidation of solidarity, renunciation of confrontation in international relations and development of dialogue on consolidating the Yalta-Potsdam system and the UN Charter with a view to maintaining durable and stable peace and security.
    Rasmussen: "The Russian masterplan is to reestablish spheres of influence + prevent Euro-Atlantic integration of neighbours
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Really worth reading in light of Putin's move into Syria--Long but really worth it---

    http://warontherocks.com/2015/09/put...han-you-think/

    Putin’s Strategy is Far Better than You Think

    Michael Kofman

    September 7, 2015
    As for truce: some pro-UKR in occupation think Russia organized it for Putin's visit to UN...
    they say local militia, which breached ceasefire all the time was replaced in the frontlines with RUS regulars.


    It was confirmed by Gen Staff that in Sector M in the first 2 lines are RU regulars, and only in 3rd line are "militia".

    Kremlin Believes Kyiv Not Complying With Minsk Agreements, Their Deadlines Missed, Peskov Says http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/11-sept...ing-with-minsk
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 09-11-2015 at 08:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...-in-kiev/#9910

    'Day Without Shelling' in Ukraine Ends This Afternoon with Russian-backed Separatist Attacks on Avdeyevka, Opytnoye

    18:27 (GMT)



    Donetsk 21:26
    "Kalinovka - something exploded?"
    https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...03858984103936

    Donetsk 21:27
    "It was salvo what i've heard in center?"
    "In center was loud, it seems that at Kalinovka somewheare" https://twitter.com/CatBoobon/status/642403985207488514

    Krasnohorivka
    20:17 Heavy volleys
    21:05 Quiet
    21:27 Machine guns
    21:35 Quiet
    21:39 Again volleys https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...16735006625792

    Action around Krasnogorovka/Mariinka - booms (AGLs?), machineguns, varying intensity, last 2 hrs or so
    21:51 #Donetsk @AlfaNubovsky sometimes closer a bit, mostly behind the airport, sometimes shooting in the airport

    21:51 #Donetsk Kyivsky ds @AlfaNubovsky All evening we can hear battle sounds northward,

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Ukraine MFA preparing diplomatic steps in response to #Berlusconi's illegal entry into occupied #Crimea.
    http://ru.krymr.com/content/news/27242526.html

    Breaking: SBU accuses volunteer battalion commander of a plot to kill Ukraine's Minister of Internal @AvakovArsen

    According to SBU, the commander has been detained, and the plot included killing MP&volunteers http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/uk...6&cat_id=39574

    Donetsk @14720Maro [fb] "This morning around 6am along H21 route 19 trucks drove, loaded with guess what? military bunks

    Fantastic photos of the Russian Tu-160 Blackjack bombers intercepted by RAF Typhoons yesterday http://wp.me/p2TYIs-8JN pic.twitter.com/GhkP9LC8UE
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    http://www.interpretermag.com/a-bake...his-week/#9916

    Kremlin Now Wants Russians to See Sanctions as Having Nothing to Do with Ukraine, ‘Nezavisimaya Gazeta’ Says

    19:56 (GMT)

    Staunton, September 11, 2015

    Moscow has “shifted from the logic of a dispute to the logic of isolation” and is seeking to convince Russians that Western sanctions imposed following the Crimean Anschluss and Russian invasion of the Donbas have nothing to do with those events but rather reflect permanent Western hostility to Russia, Nezavisimaya gazeta says.

    In a lead article today, the editors of that Moscow paper draws that conclusion on the basis of a recent declaration by Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov that sanctions will remain in place for a long time because they are intended to limit Russia’s ability to act independently.

    Ryabkov’s words, the paper says, “reflect a transition to the completely isolationist logic in which the Russian authorities act today;” and that in turn reflects the conclusions of Presidential advisor Sergey Glazyev that Russia must move in the direction of “still greater economic isolation from the West.”

    “Initially, immediately after the flight of Viktor Yanukovych, the annexation of Crimea, and the beginning of the conflict in the Donbass,” the editors say, “the logic of the Russian authorities was somewhat different.” Then, it stressed Russia’s “right to defend its ‘own,’ that is the Russian speakers” and drew parallels between Crimea and Kosovo.

    No one spoke then, the paper continues, about sanctions remaining in force for any length of time apparently because the Kremlin believed that the West would “recognize their senselessness and cancel them not being able to live without Russia.” Now, the worsening of the economic situation has led to “a change in logic.”

    For the Kremlin now, “citizens must be convinced that sanctions are not the result of Crimea or the Donbass.” Instead, a new “’correct’” interpretation is being offered: “the West and especially the United States cannot deal with our stormy growth, wants to slow it, and Ukraine is the occasion for doing so.”

    In the former interpretation, there is great room for diplomacy; in the new one, there is little room left because Russian diplomats must soon follow politicians and television commentators in insisting that “’the West always hates us, it wants to ruin us, there is nothing to talk about with it.”

    But such a shift raises some questions, the paper’s editors say. “For example, if the Russian authorities always knew that the West would not allow the strengthening of Russia, then why did they so poorly prepare the country for the present and as they assert inevitable pressure on it?”

    Other questions also arise: Why didn’t the Russian authorities try to make the ruble less dependent on the price of oil? Why didn’t they try to find alternative sources of credit? And perhaps most important, because of the enormous support they enjoy from the population, why didn’t they use “this resource to carry out systemic reforms?”

    If the authorities were not willing to do that in the “fat” years, they certainly will not do so in the “lean” ones now, Nezavisimaya gazeta concludes.

    Of course, there are at least two other explanations for Ryabkov’s statement, one domestic and one foreign political. Domestically, the Kremlin may fear that ever more Russians will draw a direct line between what Putin has been doing in Ukraine and their current suffering. Such a shift in opinion could threaten the regime.

    And in foreign policy terms, Rybkov’s statement may have a double purpose. On the one hand, it may lead some in the West to call for a reduction in sanctions in order to show Russia that the West doesn’t “always” hate it. And on the other, if sanctions are loosened or cut back, the new logic now on offer in Moscow will allow the Kremlin to take credit

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    "They Shot At Our Own People, Sold Ukrainians Weapons": TV Rain Interviews Russian Fighter
    http://www.interpretermag.com/russia...-donbass/#9922 … pic.twitter.com/mrZke9MEAo

    Important tell-all from Russian volunteer fighter in Donbass back in Moscow - on criminality of LNR, assassinations, even killing their own.

    "To say that Russia has taken such a huge number of Ukrainian refugees is a bare-faced lie." http://www.dw.com/en/putin-blames-us...ope/a-18694852

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    Example of the effectiveness of the Russian weaponization of information--Russia shelled Debaltseve massively in their attack on the UAF and yet the locals blame the UAF who was fighting for their survival and withdrew.

    "90% of locals are sure, Debaltseve was ruined bu UAF. Useless to talk round"


    DNR 'sociology': only 29% of locals support DNR (i.e. 71% don't support, sounds real) http://frankensstein.livejournal.com/652023.html
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    #Russia's proxies fired 5 times upon Ukrainian troops on 11 Sep, were most active near Opytne and South of Avdiivka https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/po...65474746796664

    This is up from a previous zero attack day and it was with heavy artillery for the first time in a week or so.

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    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/09/11/83636/

    2015/09/11 • News, War in the Donbas

    Former Russian mercenary to Donbas addresses Putin: “It’s not worth it”

    Vyacheslav “Isa” Isaev, a Russian mercenary who joined the “rebels” in the Donbas, later became disillusioned with Russia’s war there. In a candid interview to Russian independent TVRain channel, he revealed the inner workings of Russia’s hybrid army, including Russian supplies and training, internal rivalry, and banditism. Here is a summary of the interview.

    My name is Vyacheslav Isayev, I’m from Sosnovy Bor, Leningrad region. Like everyone, I followed the call of my heart, to help the Russian people who are dying there.

    How did you get there?

    I went to a private military company. We met at their office in St. Petersburg. We were equipped. We didn’t get the weapons until we got to Rostov [Russian city near the Ukrainian border].

    What kind of people got into your battalion?

    People that wanted to start a new life, change their fate. Mostly they were good, kind guys. There were people like tractor drivers who could drive a tank.

    Isa tells me about vehicles and weapons supplies from Russia like a mundane, commonly known fact.

    The vehicles we captured from the Ukrainians were transferred to Russia. We were given battle-ready tanks in exchange for damaged ones. First, ammo was brought in, then came the vehicles. The ammo, the vehicles, the trucks – we got everything together.

    Have you witnessed any weapons trade?

    Of course I have. I believe it all went to the Ukrainian side. More than that: I think we never saw more than a half of what was “supplied” to us. Our guys [the Russian-backed militia] did it, those in charge of the warehouses. Traitors, what else to call them? Each unit had its own supervisors helping with weapons and advice.

    Their rivalry was overwhelming. There were cossacks that obeyed no one, some special forces units too. Some units never went to combat but grew rich by selling metal for scraps and kidnapping people.

    Why the kidnappings?

    In order to extort money and property.

    So they were basically bandits?

    I would say so, yes. Sergey, I can’t recall his last name… he had two sons. Both died fighting in the militia. His younger son was 17. Do you remember that boy, the machine gunner? He was just shot in the back. What’s his father supposed to do? Is this the kind of regime he’d be fighting for?

    Was he killed by his own?

    Yes, by his own. Was this ammo worth the lives of those people? Most went there for the money.

    Did they get paid, or was it like with you?

    I believe some did get their money, some didn’t. I got absolutely nothing.

    Today, thousands are coming back to Russian from the Donbas. How long will it take for them to adapt to peace? Will they ever?

    Most of those who came back either went on fighting, but for Kyiv, or got to prisons. The mind gets disturbed. You can do anything. When you come back here, you realize this kind of attitude is not tolerated. They get into fights with police or other people, trying to prove they are heroes back from the war. But, come to think of it, are we really heroes?

    I would like to address Vladimir Putin. Mr. Putin, it’s not worth it. It isn’t worth the lives of Russian citizens. Let [the Ukrainians] settle it out between themselves. It’s all dumb, frankly speaking. What’s it all for? Fighting for Donbas? But it’s the same in our Rostov region.

    I don’t know who could want war. I understand if it’s about combat testing the troops. But I don’t think sacrificing our own for those “brothers” is worth it.

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    The latest poll in #DPR - less than a third of local residents supported the #separatists and #Russia https://plus.google.com/104010886469...ts/gdak66qJsjK

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