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    If US Intelligence on Russia is Broken (A Bit), What Can Be Done To Help Fix It?

    General Philip Breedlove, Supreme Allied Commander Europe, recently gently but unmistakably reprimanded the US intelligence community for its “lack of ability to see into Russia, especially at the operational and tactical level.” While he acknowledged change was under way, even then he made it clear that this was very, very much a work in progress: “We’re gently turning the nose of this ship to get back to what we need to be looking at.” Is Russia befuddling US intelligence, and if so what should be done about it?

    Outside the movies, intelligence rarely gets a good press. On screen, the perceptive analyst or gung-ho field agent gets that one scrap of world-changing intel, realizes what it means, and suddenly—typically, just in the nick of time—policy spins on the proverbial dime, and all is put to rights in time for the closing credits. In practice, it is never quite so neat and clear, and the intelligence community tend not only to have to juggle multiple possible interpretations and “best truths” but they are also just a few voices in the mighty and often discordant choir of government.

    Precisely because information and timely warning is its core business, the intelligence agencies tend to get the blame when governments are caught by surprise. And, let’s be honest, Washington has been caught by surprise again and again when Moscow is concerned, from the seizure of Crimea to most recently the Russian deployment to Syria.

    Needless to say, the spooks have rushed to their own defense and affirmed that they were on top of all these developments and briefed to that end. To an extent, this is entirely true, but not necessarily the whole truth. Modern intelligence products often cover a range of possibilities, but there is a world of difference between including something as a potential option and clearly identifying it as the likely one. Consider, for example, the real and evident confusion which reigned when the “little green men” were taking Crimea while Moscow flatly disavowed responsibility: were they local militias, were they mercenaries, were they soldiers working for maverick local commanders? The answer was the simplest one – that Moscow was lying – but the period of uncertainty allowed Russia’s special forces to seize the peninsula in a smooth fait accompli. This did not suggest a strong and confident grasp of the unfolding situation in Washington.

    Director of National Intelligence Clapper’s response to the charge of intelligence failure is instructive. In an interview, he said

    “We tracked [the situation in Ukraine] pretty carefully and portrayed what the possibilities were and certainly portrayed the difficulties we’d have, because of the movements of Russian troops and provided anticipatory warning of their incursion into Crimea.”

    Likewise, a CIA spokesman said:

    “Since the beginning of the political unrest in Ukraine, the CIA has regularly updated policymakers to ensure they have an accurate and timely picture of the unfolding crisis. These updates have included warnings of possible scenarios for a Russian military intervention in Ukraine. Any suggestion otherwise is flat wrong.”

    That’s all well and good, but tracking stuff happening, potential difficulties, possible scenarios and the like do not represent clear and unambiguous predictions, and the “anticipatory warning” does seem to have been pretty much as things happened, not early enough to do anything potentially to forestall the invasion. (Although in fairness, probably nothing could have done so.) Certainly on the eve of the invasion, US intel sources were briefing The Daily Beast that “From an intelligence perspective we don’t have any reason to think it’s more than military exercises.”

    Of course often the problem is that smart and shrewd insights from the intelligence community get lost in the political process. The making of foreign policy is, after all, an arena in which diplomats and lobbyists, op. ed. writers and lawyers, soldiers and senators, overseas allies and domestic sentiment all get to pitch in. Given how rarely the intel products really can speak with the absolute confidence any good lobbyist or ignoramus can muster, no wonder they can get drowned out by other voices.

    But it’s not quite that simple. There does seem to be a genuine intelligence problem with Moscow.

    In part, this is because the Russians are very, very good at counter-intelligence. Just as they managed to fly their bombers into Syria undetected with transponders off, hidden beneath a larger cargo plane, so too they kept their Crimean operation off the US intelligence radar. A military exercise masked the movement of troops; orders were transmitted on paper, to sidestep America’s extraordinary signals intelligence capabilities; soldiers were even instructed to keep their cellphones and radios off, again to prevent the leakage of radioelectronic indications. The Russians may not be able to match most American intel capacities, but they are aware of them and put considerable thought into working out how to minimize them.

    This is exacerbated by the extraordinarily small, tight circle within which most policy and especially security policy is made. We do not even know for sure exactly whose advice Putin takes. My own suspicion is that neither Foreign Minister Lavrov nor Defense Minister Shoigu are in the innermost circle, and instead we have to look to figures such as Presidential Chief of Staff Sergei Ivanov, Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev and Federal Security Service Director Alexander Bortnikov. These are close-lipped loyalists, hardly likely to make incautious comments in public, nor easy to bring under human or electronic surveillance.

    Furthermore, given that this is a regime which expects the elite and masses alike to rally round whatever is the policy of the day, it feels no need to signal policy in advance, to float ideas to gauge their response, or do any of the other kind of systematic foreshadowing exercises that might otherwise give us meaningful clues.

    Finally, it takes time to come to terms with real, human-level change. Today’s Putin is not the Putin of his first two presidencies, when outspoken nationalist rhetoric was tempered by a much more pragmatic approach. Whether because we are seeing the real Vladimir or, more likely, because like most authoritarian leaders he has over the time become more insulated from reality, more steeped in his own mythology, this is a different man, heading a different team, for a different national purpose.

    So what can be done to help “turn the nose of the ship”?

    Given that the issue is human more than technical, I suspect that – for all the many challenges that poses – a greater concentration on building up HUMINT assets in Russia is a must. This poses risks of all kinds, from the potential for further embarrassing incidents such as the 2013 Ryan Fogle “wig-gate” case, through to the actual risk to agents and handlers. But if we are in a war of sorts with Russia – and the Russians certainly seem to feel so – then this cannot be without some danger and cost.

    Secondly, play the analysis. Just as with so many other tectonic shifts which seem to have caught the USA and the West by surprise, from the collapse of the USSR to the Arab Spring, there are often no magic documents, no secret communiqués that would have revealed the future. Instead, what was needed was and is now an analytic capacity that is at least as strong as the technical intelligence capacity developed. It’s all very well building a $1.7 billion NSA computer facility in Utah, or planning a $2-4 billion next-generation spy satellite constellation – arguably you’d get vastly more bang for buck spending half as much on the best analysts around and giving them access to the huge amounts of open source information available. Predicting Russia’s next move will come by sneaking into Putin’s head; all the spy satellites will show is what he has decided as it starts to happen.

    Thirdly, this means there needs to be as much creativity as possible in the intelligence process. If one accepts Clapper’s assertion that Putin is “kind of winging it, day to day,” then this becomes all the more important. One key area is the interaction with outside experts and perspectives, something which certainly happens, but often only under complex (and expensive) cut-outs which may help security but slow and reduce the flow of information. Furthermore, it is harder to be sure that iconoclastic insights actually inform the intel process; just as the CIA’s Red Cell is an attempt to challenge the groupthink that so often emerges, there is the scope to treat the outside analytic community – from journalists to academics to random bloggers – more often as analytic partners rather than just a passive resource.

    Finally, the US government needs to listen more to its spooks, but also demand more from them. Consider the disastrous “reset” which, inter alia, put great emphasis on cultivating seat-warmer-in-chief, President-for-Halflife Dmitri Medvedev, something that helped infuriate and alienate Putin. As I understand it, this very much came out of the White House and State, without meeting with great enthusiasm from the intel community. At present, the spooks may not be listened to much, but then again there is a certain comfort for them in that. Time for them to take a more central role, but also to be expected to abandon the defensive tendency to offer ranges of possibilities like a fan of cards and asking the policy makers to pick whichever one they choose.

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    Militants keep firing upon Ukrainian positions. UA troops do not return fire – ATO Staff
    http://uacrisis.org/37141-shtab-ato-14 … pic.twitter.com/VTXrI0vTIr

    According to RU source ongoing battle near Volvo-center (#Pisky) with mortars, machine guns, small arms.

    Donetsk 14:53
    "The sounds of battle in the northwest, many different. Intensively."

    https://twitter.com/relictDon/status/661526674228531202

    14:29 #Donetsk Durna_Balka @666_mancer [fb] "Towards the airport frequent explosions are heard. It sounds like start and landing just after"

    14:40 #Donetsk @relictDon Heavy [guns] are shelling. Northwest.

    Russia's elite Taman motor rifle and Kantemir armoured division's are in info lockdown mode - Rumint only. They are prepping for something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Militants keep firing upon Ukrainian positions. UA troops do not return fire – ATO Staff
    http://uacrisis.org/37141-shtab-ato-14 … pic.twitter.com/VTXrI0vTIr

    According to RU source ongoing battle near Volvo-center (#Pisky) with mortars, machine guns, small arms.

    Donetsk 14:53
    "The sounds of battle in the northwest, many different. Intensively."

    https://twitter.com/relictDon/status/661526674228531202

    14:29 #Donetsk Durna_Balka @666_mancer [fb] "Towards the airport frequent explosions are heard. It sounds like start and landing just after"

    14:40 #Donetsk @relictDon Heavy [guns] are shelling. Northwest.

    Russia's elite Taman motor rifle and Kantemir armoured division's are in info lockdown mode - Rumint only. They are prepping for something.
    Russia is close to restarting the Ukrainian fighting again due I believe to their failures in Syria and their inability to force the Ukraine to compromise in the ways Putin wants them to compromise --ie accept Russian control of eastern Ukraine, no EU membership and no NATO membership......

    Russian military attack Ukrainian positions then #GRU spread lie that Ukraine provokes Russian occupiers. https://twitter.com/eot_dnr/status/661519645732700160

    ATO: This morning, militants made provocative attacks on UA positions near Avdiivka & Opytne with small arms & AGL
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...81&__tn__=%2As

    UAF is absolutely not returning fire......................
    There are wounded. Return fire was strictly forbidden under the threat of court martial. Source:

    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008620420147

    Russian mercenaries.........
    30 armored vehicles were removed, much controversy and locals did not confirm it.

    Unfinished business for RU General Staff: securing Crimea's flanks - This ain't over. It's barely begun, sadly.

    Russian mercenaries started the latest series of attacks in order to have an excuse for not withdrawing their heavy weapons in accordance with Minsk 2---thus Russia has failed again to fulfill Minsk 2......

    DNR terror group may postpone weaponry withdrawal due to repeated shellings
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/3-novem...nry-withdrawal … via @tassagency_en
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 11-03-2015 at 02:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia is close to restarting the Ukrainian fighting again due I believe to their failures in Syria and their inability to force the Ukraine to compromise in the ways Putin wants them to compromise --ie accept Russian control of eastern Ukraine, no EU membership and no NATO membership......

    Russian military attack Ukrainian positions then #GRU spread lie that Ukraine provokes Russian occupiers. https://twitter.com/eot_dnr/status/661519645732700160

    ATO: This morning, militants made provocative attacks on UA positions near Avdiivka & Opytne with small arms & AGL
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...81&__tn__=%2As

    UAF is absolutely not returning fire......................
    There are wounded. Return fire was strictly forbidden under the threat of court martial. Source:

    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008620420147

    Russian mercenaries.........
    30 armored vehicles were removed, much controversy and locals did not confirm it.

    Unfinished business for RU General Staff: securing Crimea's flanks - This ain't over. It's barely begun, sadly.

    Russian mercenaries started the latest series of attacks in order to have an excuse for not withdrawing their heavy weapons in accordance with Minsk 2---thus Russia has failed again to fulfill Minsk 2......

    DNR terror group may postpone weaponry withdrawal due to repeated shellings
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/3-novem...nry-withdrawal … via @tassagency_en
    Donetsk republic may postpone weaponry withdrawal due to repeated shellings

    November 03, 14:56 UTC+3

    The unrecognized self-proclaimed republic currently plans to complete weaponry withdrawal by November 10

    © Mikhail Sokolov/TASS

    MOSCOW, November 3. /TASS/. The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) does not rule out postponing withdrawal of mortars of less than 120mm caliber due to repeated provocations from Ukrainian forces, DPR defense ministry deputy unit commander Eduard Basurin told a briefing in Donetsk News Agency on Tuesday.

    "I hope that the number of shellings will decrease by the scheduled date, and we will be able to painlessly withdraw mortars. The date remains in force for now, but the situation is very unstable," Basurin said.

    He added that DPR plans to complete weaponry withdrawal by November 10.

    The emergency medical center said on Tuesday four militiamen of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) have been injured in shellings by Ukrainian forces on the western outskirts of Donetsk.

    "As a result of shellings of Petrovsky and Kirovsky districts on November 2, four militiamen received mine blast injuries," Donetsk News Agency quoted the center as saying. "All victims sustained heavy shrapnel wounds to the limbs, body, head and chest," the medical center added.

    It was earlier reported that Ukrainian forces shelled DPR’s north-western outskirts overnight. As a result of night shellings, the roof of a residential house in the Staromikhaylovka settlement in Donetsk’s Kirovsky district was destroyed.

    DPR defense ministry noted intensification of shellings by Ukrainian forces over the last two days. On November 2, 16 ceasefire violations by Kiev forces were registered in DPR.

    The supplement to the Package of measures on implementing the Minsk Agreements from 12 February 2015 was agreed upon on September 29 at the negotiations of the Contact Group in Minsk. The supplement envisages withdrawal of tanks, artillery weapons of less than 100mm caliber, and mortars of equal to or less than 120mm caliber to a distance of 15 kilometers from the contact line in Donbas. On September 30, the document was signed by DPR head Alexander Zakharchenko and LPR head Igor Plotnitsky.

    In accordance with the reached agreement, tanks are withdrawn first, followed by artillery weapons of less than 100mm caliber and mortars. The first stage should start two days after the complete ceasefire and finish in 15 days. The second stage will take 24 days to complete. The withdrawal will start in the "North" sector on the LPR territory and will continue in the "South" sector in DPR. The whole process of withdrawal is expected to take a total of 41 days.

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    Footage
    Igor Plotnitsky drives with a #RF car to #RF tanks. All as usual.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5HGjWNMa_E

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    Dugin always spreads the latest key points of Kremlin propaganda.
    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...65973948321792

    Over next 48 hours, any reports of troop/armour/logistics movements from Rostov reg into occupied Donetsk/Luhansk regs will be significant.

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    OSCE SMM attempted (2 Nov) to visit two "DPR" permanent weapons storage sites at coordinates provided, "but it was unable to locate them."

    The sound of ‘weapons withdrawal’ in #Donetsk right now:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gShdTH...ature=youtu.be

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    Ukraine marines ‘east of #Mariupol’ are under attack according to reports. I guess #Shyrokyne.

    Reports that Ukrainian marines East to #Mariupol is under attack http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/3-novem...st-to-mariupol

    Ukraine Today's special report: Russia attempts to derail Montenegro's NATO accession
    http://www.unian.info/world/1173327-...accession.html … pic.twitter.com/1LuAnnjfKB

    Ukrainian guerrillas continue to resist the Kremlin's occupiers in #Luhansk, more:
    http://ukrainiancrusade.blogspot.com...to-resist.html
    pic.twitter.com/t5H1mQqxFK

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    UAF now allows their troops permission to return fire on the Russian troops and mercenaries that have been attacking them for the last three days all along the front line.

    Ceasefire is no longer a "true ceasefire".

    Fire in response allowed by ATO HQ, let’s hope for every #Ukraine soldier on the front it’s true.
    https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/661594718321696768

    The sound of ‘weapons withdrawal’ in #Donetsk right now:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gShdTH...ature=youtu.be
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 11-03-2015 at 08:47 PM.

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    Pro-Russian terrorists attacked Ukrainian checkpoint in #Lugansk Region, 3 soldiers WIA

    http://lugansk-news.com/pro-russian-...-were-wounded/ … pic.twitter.com/u9rdjoeYEV

    Luhansk rgn: 1 attack recorded - at 4pm UKR strongpoint attacked w/AGS-17 AGL fr/Prishyb, WIA amount under hold http://ato.lisichansk.in.ua/na-lugan...x-pozicij.html

    Source: in recent days # of Russian forces in northern neighborhoods of Donetsk greatly increased. Attacks on Ukrainian positions continue.

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    U.S. Official: Countering Kremlin Propaganda Is Long-Term Effort
    - http://go.shr.lc/1krsiBU


    Perfect example of the effects of Russian info war on Russians themselves....

    Russian March banner: "#Putin is a descendant of historical figures, in 2015 he'll free #Russia of U.S. occupation."
    pic.twitter.com/VintaOol09
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    Large #Russia|n army military base full of tanks is geolocated in Bile nr #Luhansk
    https://translate.google.com/transla...loe&edit-text=

    BreakingNews
    5 Ukrainian troops injured in (pro-)Russian attacks in eastern #Ukraine yesterday
    .

    Zakharchenko: "I think the Donetsk People's Republic is the whole territory of the former Donetsk region"
    pic.twitter.com/BILZzufos2

    Zakharchenko again says that Kramatorsk, Slavyansk & Mariupol will be under control of DPR
    pic.twitter.com/Bm0DZSQp1t

    Putin signs new law letting Russian police seize foreign govts' stuff, if they mess with Moscow's stuff abroad. https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/11/04...in-retaliation

    Russian hybrid forces use other compound in Bile/Біле village, Luhansk region 5 Jul
    https://twitter.com/etkmkao/status/617797282583453696
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    16:49 #Makiivka, Gvardeyka @666_mancer [zello] "It seems the city doesn't hear. But it's loud. At #Spartak, btw, another battle"

    Starobesheve district @RabindrantTagor RUS started to build howitzers deceptive decoys, one such observed in Petrivske village...

    Reference Russian Orthodox church........
    Patriarch Kirill: We were and remain a great power. We haven't lost our identity, like many European countries."
    https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/st...93075321675776

    16:48 #Makiivka @VasyaMakeevskiy Loud salvos started like from Makiivka's western outskirts, 5-6 of them https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/661917076936916992

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    16:49 #Makiivka, Gvardeyka @666_mancer [zello] "It seems the city doesn't hear. But it's loud. At #Spartak, btw, another battle"

    Starobesheve district @RabindrantTagor RUS started to build howitzers deceptive decoys, one such observed in Petrivske village...

    Reference Russian Orthodox church........
    Patriarch Kirill: We were and remain a great power. We haven't lost our identity, like many European countries."
    https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/st...93075321675776

    16:48 #Makiivka @VasyaMakeevskiy Loud salvos started like from Makiivka's western outskirts, 5-6 of them https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/661917076936916992

    16:45 #Donetsk Kalininsky @666_mancer about 4pm an AA-gun(?) worked towards Putilovka or Gvardeyka, now heavy arty joined fr/Gvardeyka..
    News
    "If the militants continue their attacks, the withdrawal of (Ukrainian) arms from the east will be stopped".
    - Oleksandr @Turchynov

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    Separatists block the delivery of drugs for Hep C, HIV, tuberculosis into east.
    http://goo.gl/57Vvct
    pic.twitter.com/XsJ3VSFIXM

    Militants intensify their activities on the contact line – Colonel Lysenko
    http://uacrisis.org/37187-lisenko-2
    pic.twitter.com/lRsmlZpOFN

    OSCE SMM report for 3 Nov: Russian Forces jam UAV to prevent observing tank concentrations
    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/197621

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    RFE/RL ‏@RFERL · Nov 2
    On @PowerVertical podcast w/ @MarkGaleotti & @Dawisha: A look at Russia's gangster weapon and its effectiveness.
    http://bit.ly/1Q5ad96

    Putin is king, but Russians know they’re on their own
    Nice @Vedomosti piece trans by @meduza_en on a PR paradox
    https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/11...e-on-their-own

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    There has been in social media countless complaints about how the US companies FB and Twitter appear to be working hand in hand with the Russian info warriors for the last year.

    .@AndreiSoldatov and @irinaborogan say Facebook, Twitter should be transparent about their dealings w/ the Kremlin: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...rolls-facebook

    Maybe it has to do with the massive Russian oligarch investment into both companies in excess of over 1B USDs into both companies.

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    How Russia info warfare uses western MSM........
    Fake news sources - French journalist tells how Russian TV sourced a fake story to her.
    http://www.politico.eu/article/my-st...an-propaganda/
    pic.twitter.com/9isMlCipq9

    Donetsk in last couple weeks has become louder, we are expecting escalation on all fronts. Airport, #Pisky noisy" https://twitter.com/_Pushistiy_/stat...42243500187648

    Russian occupation forces "Khan" unit spetsnaz snipers combat training, recently
    https://vk.com/svdonbass?w=wall-76371964_2865 … pic.twitter.com/jzjnOTmNU7

    Sham "final withdrawal" of 82mm mortars by Russian occupation forces from front line 5 Nov
    https://vk.com/pravdadnr_tk?w=wall-74318800_25128
    pic.twitter.com/xZd42oGFhZ
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    In the Luhansk region SBU discovered a large cache of anti-tank mines http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/5-novem...overed-a-large … pic.twitter.com/Q6czAirSkK via @ServiceSsu

    Donetsk
    #Pisky, airport - battle still on

    Fighting and shelling reported in #Donetsk today, Motorola’s Sparta Battalion on the move. Both sides are now exchanging artillery fire.

    The purported locations of the reports indicate that both sides are now exchanging artillery fire.‘

    @Guderian_Xaba @MikolaSwed Ukr forces control Krasnogorovka while Russian-backed fighters occupy the Petrovsky district of Donetsk (Petrovka

    Maryinka 13:00
    VK "We continue to hear booms"

    Border Guard Service: militants fired towards checkpoint " Zolote" with machine guns and grenades launchers
    http://dpsu.gov.ua/ua/about/news/news_9134.htm
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    Number of provocations near #Donetsk increased, Ukrainian positions were attacked 12 times
    http://lugansk-news.com/number-of-pr...cked-12-times/ … pic.twitter.com/epP3zcMlpO

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