In case you forgot something - Crimea now belongs to Russia, so attack on it is attack on Russia.Originally Posted by Azor
Yours, Captain Obvious.
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
Crimea has been illegally annexed by Russia. Define "belong". Prior to 1991, the Soviet republics all "belonged" to Russia, and had so since 1945: even the non-Soviet Warsaw Pact/Comecon members arguably "belonged" to Russia as well.
Russia considers the Maidan protests an "attack on Russia".
Yet this doesn't address my questions...
Legalistic fallacy.
Legalistic fallacy.
You could at least try to imagine the hypothetic world where Russian state and society consider Crimea Russian territory ant take any assault on Crimea as declaration of war. If you somehow managed to imagine this - congratulations - you are now much closer to reality.
hint: verify your believes by evidence from reality every time you think "Oh, it would be nice if X was true"
Last edited by mirhond; 12-14-2015 at 10:46 AM.
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
Comrade mirhond--cannot believe you are back again----let's see just how to answer your response here.
1. Russia violated they own signed Budapest Memorandum,
2. Russia violated the Helsinki Accords.
3. Russia violated the NATO/Russia Basic Agreement
4. Russia violated just about every UNSC resolution on the international integrity of international borders that exists on record since 1950--using military force to change existing international borders
BUT WAIT Putin and his FM claim daily they defend international law---BUT WAIT which law as they never seem quite able to actually state which one --ever notice that????
BUT WAIT---Putin claims to defend the Syria international borders BUT SOMEHOW forgot to pull out the 9,000 Russian troops stationed INSIDE the international borders of Ukraine......./
BUT WAIT it WAS Putin that stated he is attacking Islamic State in Syria BUT WAIT again his own RuAF is now "officially the Islamic State Air Force" because the Russian AF cannot somehow find the Islamic State to bomb so they kill, wound and maim hundreds of civilians just as does IS.
So as a sponsor of state terrorism just how we even begin to trust what you or Putin state here????
So comrade care to comment??.........when you make your comments defend them...BUT WAIT you cannot.
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 12-14-2015 at 11:42 AM.
CARE to comment comrade mirhond...appears Russia "forgot" the legal ramifications of the various "sea rights in the Baltic" and somehow forgot to "respect" those "sea rights" AND YET you talk about "legalistic fallacy"...come on comrade you have got to get better at this.....
The Baltic Times @thebaltictimes
#Lithuanian Energy Minister - #Russian navy tried to disrupt #NordBalt cable laying: http://bit.ly/1jXZlwP
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OH FORGOT----war crimes include the deliberate use of WP and cluster munitions on civilian targets....BY THE WAY have tons of videos I could post of Russian "war crimes" if you are interested.
So do not talk about "legalistic" unless you are ready to defend Putin's "war crimes".......
Comrade mirhond--since you were the one that opened "Pandora's box" on "legalistic fallacy"...
Care to comment on this Russian "war crime" that killed 20 civilians of which six were children and wounded/maimed another 60.....????
Important
Remains of #Russia #ClusterBombs used in #Maarat_al_Nouman
Photo by Mohmad AldaherFB
#Idlib #Syria Dec 14
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BUT WAIT---did not Putin in his press interview before the UNGA "openly state to the world"---that is maybe he was actually lying---he is attacking and destroying the Islamic State.
NOT a single IS position anywhere near this "Islamic State Air Force" air strike and civilians were the target......
Ukraine's #military casualties in 2014-15: peak was Aug 2014, but still 36 KIA in Nov 2015
pic.twitter.com/qoAbjoUF17
comrade mirhond--care to comment......another "legalistic fallacy" I guess....
It hindered RU fr/stealing derrick boats. Officially, 'relocating to RU territorial waters'
https://archive.is/juqLO https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/676369062952312833 …
MORE for you comrade mirhond........
Let's see Putin states before the UNGA I am going to destroy Islamic State---BECAUSE the West cannot do it ---BUT then kills hundreds of men, women and children WITH so call precision "dumb iron bombs" and NOW your own famous General states this...
Russia - the eternal victim - now blames the whole world for "backstabbing" it, while it "fights rad. islamism"...
pic.twitter.com/A8QQHPriGf
WHY is that??
BUT WAIT Russia is the largest provider of mercenary terrorists to eastern Ukraine BUT says nothing about that ----AND WAIT Russia provides the largest number of foreign fighters to IS.......???
AND your General wonders why no one supports a county that has constantly lied since Crimea.....??
Comrade mirhond--appears Russia is violating "legalistic fallacies" all over the place lately.....your military appears to be a tad out of control these days.
Turkish Patience With Russia 'Has a Limit' With Yet Another Incident At Sea
11:52 (GMT)
The Turkish government has warned that Ankara's patience with Moscow "has a limit" after tensions between the two countries were highlighted yet again when the Russian destroyer Smetlivy fired warning shots as it neared a Turkish fishing boat yesterday.
According to the Russian Ministry of Defence, the fishing boat did not make radio contact or respond to to signal lamps and flares as it approached the Smetlivy near the Greek island of Lemnos. Crew on board the destroyer fired warning shots with small arms when the boat came within 600 metres.
But the Turkish foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, told Italy's Corriere della Sera in an interview published today that the Russian reaction was "exaggerated."
Reuters reports:
"Ours was only a fishing boat, it seems to me that the reaction of the Russian naval ship was exaggerated," Mevlut Cavusoglu told Italian daily Corriere della Sera in an interview.
"Russia and Turkey certainly have to re-establish the relations of trust that we have always had, but our patience has a limit," Cavusoglu said.
This afternoon, Russia's state-owned RIA Novosti news agency reported that there had been another incident involving Turkish and Russian vessels, this time in the Black Sea.
According to the report, a Turkish-flagged merchant vessel illegally crossed the path of an oncoming convoy of Russian ships, including a Black Sea Fleet missile boat, a Federal Border Service patrol boat and a towed drilling platform, forcing vessels to make emergency manoeuvres to avoid collision.
The Chernomorneftgaz company, which owns the rig being towed, claims that the Turkish-flagged vessel did not respond to radio calls.
The Border Service patrol boat and missile boat then "forced" the merchant vessel to change course.
It is worth noting that Chernomorneftgaz was one of several Ukrainian state-owned entities that were seized by the Russian government during the annexation of Crimea last year. The company is under both US and EU sanctions.
Meanwhile the Caesar Kunikov landing ship returned north through the Bosphorus today. When the vessel passed south through the strait on December 6, en-route to Syria, a crew member strode the upper deck with an anti-aircraft missile launcher at the ready.
The passage was well-documented and triggered complaints from the Turkish government. Mr Cavusoglu described the incident as "a provocation" at the time.
comrade mirhond.......who is "legalistically right here"......
Agence France-Presse ✔ @AFP
#BREAKING Egypt says still no proof 'terrorist' attack downed Russia plane
WAS it not Putin who actually claimed it was IS......????
comrade mirhond ---you do see the intertwining of the Russian non linear warfare tactics used in eastern Ukraine and now Syria.....right??
Following the mantra...."it ain't us".....
While people look at #Douma, #RussianAirstrikes keep hitting civilians in #Aleppo daily !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm2Otx-ZQlI … pic.twitter.com/nb7SxtwErh
Your General states "backstabbing" BUT his "Islamic State Air Force" just keeps on massacring civilians.........
EXACTLY the same tactic used in the constant Minsk 2 shelling violations that have killed 9,000 Ukrainian civilians.......
Irakli Komaxidze's response on #Russian sub munition used in #Syria.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater …
pic.twitter.com/uPtNiyGkZM
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 12-14-2015 at 12:33 PM.
Newsweek: Vladimir Putin's reign of torture and kidnapping in #Ukraine
http://uatoday.tv/news/newsweek-vlad...ne-553484.html …
@mirhond:
Hah I was going to actually reply to you, but then I realized it wasn't the final post...
Nuff said.
Nuff ibn Said does not stand for a good argument
I'll rephrase my point if you don't get it:
1. Do you have any evidence Russia will cede Crimea back to Ukraine just because of NATO agressive stance?
2. Do you have any evidence NATO is ready to start conventional war just to bring Crimea back to Ukraine?
If you do have it, everyone here would be grateful to learn something new.
Last edited by mirhond; 12-14-2015 at 01:53 PM.
Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.
Water situation in Crimea forces local authorities to introduce 'military measures':
http://flashcrimea.com/news/aksenov-...ennogo-vremeni …
MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
#Zakharova: Washington’s intention to build a network of military facilities across the world causes serious concern http://en.mid.ru/en/web/guest/foreig...ent/id/1977971 …
comrade mirhond-----AND this is your "legalistic fallacy" that Russia ie Putin adheres to the "rules of law"????Nuff ibn Said does not stand for a good argument
I'll rephrase my point if you don't get it:
1. Do you have any evidence Russia will cede Crimea back to Ukraine just because of NATO agressive stance?
2. Do you have any evidence NATO is ready to start conventional war just to bring Crimea back to Ukraine?
If you do have it, everyone here would be grateful to learn something new.
Russia dragged 2 stolen Ukraine drill platforms ($800 million) in Black Sea to own waters.
Stealing Odessa reg gas.
pic.twitter.com/y63kdfLmnB
MORE Russian "legalistic fallacy"----------
According to #OSCE report #Russia stole 230 trucks of coal from #Ukraine just on a weekend!
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/209526 …
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Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 12-14-2015 at 06:10 PM.
comrade mirhond...heads up====ready for the collapse of the Soviet---sorry Russia??
BUT wait did not the Soviet Union collapse due to oil being 30 USD per barrel and a high military budget??
Oil price collapse continues: Brent below $37/barrel, WTI below $35/barrel earlier today. RBS now foresees $26/barrel.
Bank of America: if oil falls to $35, the dollar should soar to 94 rubles.
https://twitter.com/rosbaltru/status/676398741805473792 …
Kremlin Trolls @KremlinTrolls
This is How Pro-#Russia Trolls Manipulate Finns Online
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VIDEO: "Soviet Active Measures"
..the same principles apply today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrNrflwyIEc …
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After the damage is done, #KremlinTrolls delete their messages to hide their trail.
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When #KremlinTrolls attack, they falsely accuse their opponents of being associated with the Kremlin
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Kremlin Trolls @KremlinTrolls
When #KremlinTrolls attack, they try to rattle diplomats with smears, insults & name-calling
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Kremlin Trolls @KremlinTrolls
When #KremlinTrolls attack, they threaten litigation
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Beware: How a small lie feeds the anti-Ukraine propaganda - by the Western journo based in Ukraine(!).
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Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 12-14-2015 at 06:47 PM.
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