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    NOW from the Chinese main press service-----

    http://www.globalpost.com/article/66...-status-donbas

    Ukraine's constitutional amendments envisage no special status for Donbas: president

    KIEV, July 1 (Xinhua) -- Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Wednesday that amendments to the country's Constitution, which include key decentralization clauses, do not envisage granting special status for the restive areas in eastern regions, known locally as Donbas.

    "The draft amendments to the Constitution do not provide for any special status for Donbas," Poroshenko said, while presenting a bill on constitutional amendments concerning decentralization.

    He said Kiev's decentralization plan envisages that the specific order of self rule in certain regions will not be enshrined in the Constitution, but will be determined by a separate law.

    Decentralization, which is designed to grant more powers to regions, also will not touch such spheres as defense, foreign policy and national security, Poroshenko said, adding that he will submit the bill on Constitutional amendments to the parliament at the end of the day.

    Decentralization reform, which envisages granting special status for certain areas in eastern Ukraine, has been one of the key demands voiced by independence-seeking insurgents in the country's eastern Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

    This article was produced by the Xinhua News Agency, the official press agency of the People's Republic of China. Xinhua describes itself as the "information organ of the central government." Given China’s size and importance, GlobalPost publishes Xinhua’s press feed as a resource for its readers and makes no claims as to journalistic accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    NOW from the Chinese main press service-----

    http://www.globalpost.com/article/66...-status-donbas

    Ukraine's constitutional amendments envisage no special status for Donbas: president
    The Chinese fully get where the Ukrainian government is going and the Ukrainians are actually offering through decentralization for all regions really a special zone for all regions just not the Russian occupied zone.

    You will note the areas that the decentralization leaves strictly for the central government--exactly the same areas that Russia is demanding their mercenaries be allowed to do for themselves.

    IE the Bosnian solution.


    BTW the Vienna Conference setup by the OSCE has ruled the decentralization plans of the Ukrainian government are valid and should be implemented as a measure of solid government reforms and do not clash with OSCE principles.

    That decision was massively attacked by Russian media as being not consistent with Minsk 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Maybe they were afraid that the West would demand that they investigate how the Soviets annexed the Baltics in 1940??
    The Russia Parliament is still at it--claiming Finish independence was granted to them by the SU thus the underlying threat--WE can take it away if we rule the agreement was illegal.

    Head of Russian Parliament Naryshkin reminded that "Russia give Finland her independence in 1917" http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-july-...ed-that-russia … via @andrey_tlt_63

    One official late yesterday even brought back the Alaskan sale as being potentially illegal.

    That was mentioned a number of times during the annexation of the Crimea and now they are back to it again.

    Russian officials are playing loose and fancy with the definitions of what is and or is not legal and basically rejecting anything to do with history.

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    In August 2014 Russia troops formally invaded eastern Ukraine attacking UA units and positions--the Ukraine captured 10 Russian airborne troops and YET the West especially Europe said nothing. If ten "lost" Russian airborne troops are not enough evidence of Russian involvement I am not sure what is anymore.

    Now in July 2015 with heavy shellings and ground attacks again with a mixture of Russian troops and her mercenaries--AGAIN the US and the EU say nothing.

    What have we learned about US and EU foreign policy--silence is the only thing they have.

    14:48 #Donetsk @relictDon Now volleys also in #Shyrokiy direction. 'Drills' at 2 ranges at once? https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/616574511950004225

    Near Volnovakha militants do not abide by the ceasefire. They attack with tanks, mortars, SPG
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...65&__tn__=%2As … pic.twitter.com/D6QKGhHen5

    12:55 #Donetsk @relictDon Azotny or further north: non-stop volleys for 15min already

    Battle in Krasnogorivka, heavy smoke rises http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-july-...vy-smoke-rises … via @666_mancer

    13:30 #Horlivka @GirkinGirkin A couple RUS Kamaz trucks drove into [cinnabarite] pit

    In the last day militants fired on checkpoints Mariinka and Majorsk. 1 wounded - State Border guard service
    http://dpsu.gov.ua/ua/about/news/news_7717.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Seems the claims by the Russian mercenaries that they were declaring a one sided demilitarization of Shirokino was a blatant lie.
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    After midnight, Russian 122 and 152 mm artillery hit #Shyrokyne & #Berdyanske at the #Azov Sea coast.
    #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/YY11PIGEin
    Appears the Russian mercenaries were really just lying again----

    47 minutes ago----
    Despite Announcement Of Demilitarisation In Shirokino, Russian-Backed Forces Continued Attacks
    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...injuries/#8988 … pic.twitter.com/ayxBEC4CdS

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    Great example of how Twitter does not even support it’s own administrative requirements for the end user.

    Especially when Russian trolls are involved—maybe it has to do with the Russian oligarch who invested 700M USDs into Twitter.

    After some lunatic tweeted, he would blow up my house ...
    Thanks @Twitter @support
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    SBU says five Russian Generals are key in orchestrating Ukraine's insurgency. http://bv.ms/1JzBI8Y v @EliLake + @joshrogin

    Ukraine Says Russian Generals Lead Separatists

    Jul 2, 2015 6:00 AM EDT
    By Eli Lake & Josh Rogin


    Five Russian generals are playing a key role in organizing and commanding separatist forces inside Ukraine, according to a dossier provided by Ukraine's security service to the Obama administration last month.

    The document, obtained by us, is a consensus product of the Security Service of Ukraine and dated June 16. It identifies five Russian generals and a Russian colonel as playing a senior leadership role inside Ukraine. The Kremlin has repeatedly denied that Russian military personnel are directing military operations inside the country. Top Ukrainian intelligence officials shared the document with White House, State Department and U.S. intelligence officials in Washington late last month.

    U.S. officials have confirmed receiving the document and told us that the information it contains generally conforms to U.S. intelligence assessments of Russian activity inside Ukraine. For more than a year, U.S. and NATO officials have accused Russia's special operations forces and its military intelligence agency of aiding separatists in Ukraine.

    The Ukrainian intelligence document goes further than previous public information by accusing specific Russian generals of being involved. These include Major General Oleg Mussovich Tsekov, who it says commands two brigades of the Luhansk People's Militia, and Major General Valerii Nikolaevich Solodchuk, accused of commanding the first army corps of the separatist Novorossia armed forces in Donetsk. Other officers named include Major General Sergey Yurievich Kuzovlev, who it says commands regular Russian military operations in the Luhansk region and Major General Aleksei Vladimirovich Zavizion, who commands and coordinates Russian military operations in the Donetsk region. The dossier identifies Major General Roman Aleksandrovich Shadrin as the minister of state security for the Luhansk People's Republic. It also says Colonel Anatolii Konstantinovich Barankevich, a former minister of defense for the Georgian breakaway republic of South Ossetia, serves as an adviser for combat readiness for the Luhansk People's Republic.

    Mark Galeotti, an expert on the Russian security services at New York University, told us that the Ukrainian intelligence document for the most part confirmed what he has learned about Russia's role in Ukraine. He said the identification of the Russian generals represented an important development. "Up to now you have seen Russians lieutenants, captains and majors in Ukraine," he said. "But now they are actually embedding their senior officers; these are Russian commanders."

    Galeotti said this signaled that Russia wanted a more permanent influence over Ukrainian separatists. "It's a control issue, to make sure maverick commanders don't prosper," he told us. "Somewhere in Moscow they have made the decision this will be a long-term frozen conflict."

    The Russian military has confirmed that a small military contingent has been deployed inside Ukraine, at the request of the Kiev government and with the mission to help the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe implement the Minsk agreement on the ground. There is a Joint Center for Control and Coordination set up to oversee the implementation of the Minsk agreement. The Russian general that has been attached to the center as part of the agreement is Lieutenant General Alexander Ivanovich Lentsov, the deputy commander of Russian ground forces, who has also been accused of having a role in commanding Russian troops aiding the separatists.

    “They are of course only accusations that General Lentsov is responsible for orchestrating and commanding some of the Russian troops on the ground in Ukraine, but it does seem plausible that he and his staff maintain contact with the other commanders in eastern Ukraine,” said Hannah Thoburn, Eurasia analyst at the Foreign Policy Initiative. “How the chain of command works in this situation is unclear.”

    The 30-page dossier provided to Congress and the U.S. government also represents an effort from the Ukrainian security services to prove to their allies that they are making progress in rooting out Russian saboteurs from Ukraine. It includes tallies and briefings on military intelligence suspects arrested by Ukraine.


    The dossier reports that Ukrainian intelligence services believe there are just under 9,000 Russian regular army soldiers currently deployed inside Ukraine, organized into 15 battalion tactical groups. That estimate could not be independently confirmed. The Russian Embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for comment.

    The Ukrainians also contend that Russia continues to pour heavy weaponry into Ukraine, an accusation often echoed by senior U.S. officials. Those weapons include tanks, armored personnel carriers, and anti-aircraft missile systems similar to the one that accidentally shot down Malaysian Airlines flight MH-17 over Donetsk last year.

    On Capitol Hill, there’s bipartisan support for giving the Ukrainian military defensive weapons, given the Russian actions, but the Obama administration has made clear they have no intention of going beyond the limited non-lethal assistance that is currently being provided.

    “There are still incursions on the borders, they are still interfering in the sovereignty of Ukraine,” said Senator Ben Cardin, the top Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee. “I still believe we should be providing Ukraine weapons that allow them to defend their borders better than they are.”

    Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain traveled to Ukraine last month and met with Ukrainian political, military and intelligence leaders. He said the Ukrainians are outmatched by a Russian-supported force that has better technology and better intelligence.

    “They’ve got 20th century weapons against 21st century weapons,” McCain said. “They are begging for us to help them defend themselves. They’ve proven they will fight, but we’ve got to give them something to fight with.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    This Russia PR can be interpreted in only one way--Russia is setting the stage for openly calling Minsk 2 dead and then fighting and trying to get a new Minsk 3 which is more favorable to him and his mercenaries than the now Minsk 2.

    Initially everyone assumed the Minsk 2 had far more problems for Ukraine but the Ukraine has smartly instituted exactly what the agreement calls for--the agreement did not state just how things should be done--just they had to be done and now Russia is complaining it is not the Bosnia solution they were looking for.

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/805457

    Kiev needs reading again text of Minsk Accords — Putin’s spokesman

    Russia
    July 02, 12:57 UTC+3

    "Moscow as a guarantor of the Minsk Accords has repeatedly expressed its concern at different levels regarding Kiev’s failure to implement these agreements," Russian presidential spokesman said



    As the spokesperson for Putin stated here--Russia ia apparently a "guarantor" of the Minsk 2 agreement--NOW let's see what they signed up for as "guarantor" AND HAVE not been in compliance with--does one well to review the actual agreement as it seems Russia has not read what they signed themselves.

    The agreement was written in such a way that it is impossible to state what exactly the implementation should be and in what order---that was to be negotiated at a later date--BUT Russia is attempting to "define" or "demand" what they feel the Ukrainians should be doing. BUT if we take the standard concept of 1 being the priority and 11 being at the bottom THEN point 11 of the agreement being implemented BEFORE a valid and true ceasefire point 1 does not make sense.
    While Russian complains about the Ukraine--it's own mercenaries are going totally against the Minsk 2 agreements and YET claim they are in full compliance.

    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...injuries/#8986

    Self-Declared 'Donetsk People's Republic' Unilaterally Announces 'Special Self-Governance Regimen'

    07:22 (GMT)

    Aleksandr Zakharchenko, the leader of the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic" (DNR) has declared a "special self-governance regimen" in the DNR and announced elections for October 18 of this year, the pro-separatist rusvesna.su reported.

    Zakharchenko issued a statement to news agencies saying the DNR had to react to the "unilateral actions of Kiev regarding passage of amendments to the constitution."

    Yesterday July 1, President Petro Poroshenko said Ukraine would follow the so-called "Law on the Special Status of Donbass" that provides for self-governance in "certain districts" of Donetsk and Lugansk Regions, but would not make any amendments to the constitution -- calling such notions "diabolical."

    Zakharchenko stated (translation by The Interpreter):

    Under the current circumstances, the Donetsk People's Republic has been forced for the sake of saving the Minsk accords to independently go forward to implement them. The DNR will act immediately without waiting for Kiev to come to its senses.

    First, the DNR declares that a special self-governance regimen is in effect on its territory, several conditions of which are mentioned in the law of Ukraine "On the Special Status of Donbass," in point 11 of the Complex of Measures [the Minsk Accords] and also the draft amendments to the constitution of Ukraine proposed by us. Secondly, in fulfillment of point 12 of the Complex of Measures, local elections will take place in the DNR with observance of the relevant OSCE standards with monitoring by the Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) and other international organizations. The procedure for monitoring and the work of the observers are ready to be approved within the Contact Group.

    Zakharchenko claimed that "Ukrainian representatives took part in the discussion and approval of all the above-mentioned decisions."

    Zakharchenko's interpretation of the Minsk 2 accords are sure to provoke controversy. The accords state as follows (point 11):

    Constitutional reform in Ukraine, with a new constitution to come into effect by the end of 2015, the key element of which is decentralisation (taking into account peculiarities of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, agreed with representatives of these districts), and also approval of permanent legislation on the special status of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions in accordance with the measures spelled out in the attached footnote,[note 1] by the end of 2015.

    The language of the agreement is sufficiently vague that Ukrainian leaders may say they already passed the law on the special status, and "decentralization" and "constitutional reform" can be understood in different ways by the parties to the conflict. These issues were left to be negotiated later after the February cease-fire -- which no longer holds -- was in place. But Poroshenko's administration does not negotiate currently directly with the "People's Republics"; past president Leonid Kuchma is the Ukrainian representative at the Minsk talks.

    Poroshenko has noted that elections would have to take place under Ukrainian law, as the Minsk accords state, and would have to involve freedom of the media, freedom for any party to registery and so on. Yet the DNR has essentially banned parties that don't support its authoritarian rule and has suppressed the media except for those support its rule and the Russian government.

    The Minsk accords also specify that Ukraine must be handed back control over its border, which has been seized in the southeast of Ukraine by Russian and separatist forces who show no sign of returning it.
    WHAT is interesting is that many Europeans and bloggers were openly stating that Russia would never allow elections based on Ukrainian law in their occupied zones--EVEN if they signed the Minsk 2 agreement--appears to be the case now.

    SO what will Obama, Hollande and Merkel say now that Russia is in full and total violation of Minsk 2 ---especially Merkel since Minsk 2 is her favorite step child.

    Right now there is total since by all parties----
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    Putin is deeply fearful of a "Moscow Maidan" and has been long before the Crimea annexation.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...ns/524901.html

    Russian Officials Propose Mandatory University Course Teaching Students to Fight 'Color Revolutions'
    By Anna Dolgov

    Jul. 02 2015 16:36

    Denis Abramov / Vedomosti
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    Amid the Kremlin's mounting fears of “color revolutions” — a term term favored by Moscow to describe political protests that had toppled Russian-backed administrations in several former Soviet states in recent years — the Defense Ministry has proposed educating all Russian students on how to combat any such revolts in their own country, Izvestia reported Thursday.

    The proposal reportedly came in response to a request by a Moscow city lawmaker, Kirill Shchitov, who had argued that an “anti-revolutionary” course should be part of military education included in undergraduate programs in many Russian universities.

    The Defense Ministry responded that the initiative should be taken a step further, requiring not only participants in military training courses, but all Russian students to be drilled in opposing political revolts, the report said.

    “Students should study the technologies of the spread of 'color revolutions' and the methods of counteracting them [legal methods, administrative, economic, informational, cultural and so on] as they undergo the programs of higher education,” Deputy Defense Minister Nikolai Pankov was quoted by Izvestia as saying.

    But a leader of a Russian students' association, Alexei Krapukhin, said the “propaganda” involved in such courses could provoke the opposite of the effect it seeks, Izvestia reported.

    “I don't think universities should be excessively politicized,” Krapukhin was quoted as saying. “This could cause protests among students.”

    Meanwhile, the head of the educational research institute at the Higher School of Economics, Irina Abankina, argued that college students were already too mature to be swayed by anti-protest education, and that programs should begin at an earlier age, the report said.

    “[University] students are already fully shaped individuals with their own points of view. This work would be more effective if it begins in [high or middle] school,” Abankina was quoted as saying.

    Earlier this summer, the Defense Ministry has announced plans to commission a research project on the theme of color revolutions, in a bid to prevent any repeats in Russia.

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    How Russian Contract Servicemen are Posing as 'Self-defence': https://en.informnapalm.org/cinderel...-self-defence/ … via @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/G0RUVhuEwU

    Shot by Dastane AltaÏr, who was one of three foreign journalists embedded with the Ukraine army's 93rd Brigade in Pisky, Ukraine, from June 8 - 15, 2015. I was in this group of seven. We were shot at by a separatist tank while walking through a field. The round missed us by about 50 to 60 feet.
    Video for this----

    https://vimeo.com/132430549

    BREAKING
    Invader from St. Petersburg confirms, his men were forced to withdraw from #Shyrokyne by the "DPR".
    They "feel betrayed and sold."


    3 BTGr Republican Guard DPR (Russian Forces in Ukraine) is now actively preparing fighters... https://vk.com/gvardiyadnr?w=wall-85052601_8779 … pic.twitter.com/P8nTJAGOSL


    Russian FSB/GRU really does need to get ahold of their OPSEC----a massive photo album of this unit is available for anyone with a browser--

    Russian Forces DPR unit "Viking", Donetsk region, Ukraine. Photos uploaded 23 Jun https://vk.com/albums-93369497 pic.twitter.com/K3VQQrriUl

    In the area of ATO this week recorded a record number of militant attacks - ATO press center
    https://m.facebook.com/ato.news/posts/1025431977467608
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    Lithuanian_MoD @Lithuanian_MoD
    #RU is right stating an "intense #NATO air force activity near RU’s borders", RU aircraft keep NATO #BAP jets busy pic.twitter.com/dOgWdZxiDG

    Current #Mariupol's fortifications make it impossible for the enemy to take the city in frontal attack - Serhiy Grabsky, presser

    Even water birds are leaving Crimea—wonder if they asked permission from Putin or did they change back to Ukrainian passports?????

    Crimea became uninhabitable to herons bcs of sharp water shortage, moved to mainland Ukraine
    . http://www.radiosvoboda.org/content/news/27106174.html … pic.twitter.com/NfNeyTRh47

    Ukrainian citizens illegally kept in custody in the Russian Federation pic.twitter.com/BkAB1ZWGHy

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    How Russian Contract Servicemen are Posing as 'Self-defence': https://en.informnapalm.org/cinderel...-self-defence/ … via @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/G0RUVhuEwU

    Shot by Dastane AltaÏr, who was one of three foreign journalists embedded with the Ukraine army's 93rd Brigade in Pisky, Ukraine, from June 8 - 15, 2015. I was in this group of seven. We were shot at by a separatist tank while walking through a field. The round missed us by about 50 to 60 feet.
    Video for this----

    https://vimeo.com/132430549

    BREAKING
    Invader from St. Petersburg confirms, his men were forced to withdraw from #Shyrokyne by the "DPR".
    They "feel betrayed and sold."


    3 BTGr Republican Guard DPR (Russian Forces in Ukraine) is now actively preparing fighters... https://vk.com/gvardiyadnr?w=wall-85052601_8779 … pic.twitter.com/P8nTJAGOSL


    Russian FSB/GRU really does need to get ahold of their OPSEC----a massive photo album of this unit is available for anyone with a browser--

    Russian Forces DPR unit "Viking", Donetsk region, Ukraine. Photos uploaded 23 Jun https://vk.com/albums-93369497 pic.twitter.com/K3VQQrriUl
    Reference:

    Invader from St. Petersburg confirms, his men were forced to withdraw from #Shyrokyne by the "DPR".
    They "feel betrayed and sold."

    Some suggestions why they did so:
    1.come back after shelling w/OSCE and tell them, it was the Ukis
    2.use of larger caliber arms
    3.surrender

    More reports---

    Reports that #Russia|n fighters in #Shyrokyne were ordered to move out of the village by #DPR head and left it
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    News:

    ATO command:

    30.000 "illegal armed personnel" in #Donbas
    50.000 Russian troops as backup on the borders to the ukraine

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    Putin has been attempting to "freeze" the eastern Ukraine in order to force the Ukraine to do what he wants them to do--BUT in some aspects the Ukraine has now started to politically "freeze" Putin.

    The Ukrainian "decentralization plan" is a direct threat to Russia as it shows a way forward for the various Russian regions and shows Russians they can in fact influence their own government and it simply makes sense politically.

    Appears Russia views this plan as a "backdoor Maidan".

    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/eur...on-plan-315963

    Russia ‘deeply concerned’ over Ukraine’s decentralisation plan

    EurActiv.com with AFP

    18:36

    Russia expressed "deep concern" today (2 July) over Ukraine's plans to decentralise power as part of a peace deal with separatist rebels, underlining the gulf between Moscow and Kyiv as the conflict rumbles on despite a ceasefire.

    Differing interpretations of a February peace agreement signed in Minsk, Belarus, to end the fighting in Ukraine's eastern regions, have left the conflict in limbo, with more than 6,500 people killed since it broke out in April last year.

    Adding to the tensions, negotiations broke down in Vienna this week over Russian gas supplies to Ukraine, leading to imports being halted at the border between the two ex-Soviet countries.

    Ukraine and the West accuse Moscow of arming and supporting pro-Russian rebels fighting government troops. Moscow denies the charges.

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on Wednesday presented a blueprint to give Ukraine's regions more powers and control over their budgets, one of 13 points in the Minsk deal that would allow the rebel-controlled regions a degree of self-governance.

    The Minsk agreement requires Ukraine to give decentralisation to the rebel-held regions of Donetsk and Lugansk, in Eastern Ukraine (see background). Point 11 of the Minsk agreement reads:

    “Carrying out constitutional reform in Ukraine with a new constitution entering into force by the end of 2015 providing for decentralization as a key element (including a reference to the specificities of certain areas in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, agreed with the representatives of these areas), as well as adopting permanent legislation on the special status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in line with measures as set out in the footnote until the end of 2015.”

    Poroshenko said the moves would amount to a "vaccination" against federalisation, which Kyiv says would give the separatist-minded regions too much independence and allow them to block Ukraine's shift towards joining the European mainstream.

    Moscow has said it favours much more autonomy for the self-proclaimed people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, collectively known as the Donbass, although they should remain part of Ukraine.

    Voicing Russia's concern, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters: "The preparation of such laws without taking into consideration the opinions of the representatives of the Donbass can hardly be seen as the fulfilment of the Minsk agreements."

    Poroshenko pointedly described the Ukrainian plan as an alternative to "despotism".

    "Finally, decentralisation will become another civilisational difference from our post-Soviet neighbours," he told reporters. "True self-government is impossible in an authoritarian state. Despotism admits neither independence of communities, nor freedom of its citizens."

    Alexander Zakharchenko, self-appointed head of the Donetsk region, complained he and his Lugansk counterpart Igor Plotnitsky had not been consulted over the changes.

    "Neither I, nor my colleague Plotnitsky, gave agreement to Poroshenko's proposed conception of constitutional reform," he told the DAN rebel news agency.

    Donetsk has called a local election for 18 October, a week before the rest of Ukraine, a move that would be "destructive", Poroshenko was quoted by Interfax-Ukraine new agency as saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Putin has been attempting to "freeze" the eastern Ukraine in order to force the Ukraine to do what he wants them to do--BUT in some aspects the Ukraine has now started to politically "freeze" Putin.

    The Ukrainian "decentralization plan" is a direct threat to Russia as it shows a way forward for the various Russian regions and shows Russians they can in fact influence their own government and it simply makes sense politically.

    Appears Russia views this plan as a "backdoor Maidan".

    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/eur...on-plan-315963

    Russia ‘deeply concerned’ over Ukraine’s decentralisation plan

    EurActiv.com with AFP

    18:36
    It should be remembered that in the Minsk 2 agreement the "so called special status for the Russian occupied zones"-- IS not defined as to what it is to be nor how it is to be carried out--all that is stated is that it is to occur under Ukrainian laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference:

    Invader from St. Petersburg confirms, his men were forced to withdraw from #Shyrokyne by the "DPR".
    They "feel betrayed and sold."

    Some suggestions why they did so:
    1.come back after shelling w/OSCE and tell them, it was the Ukis
    2.use of larger caliber arms
    3.surrender

    More reports---

    Reports that #Russia|n fighters in #Shyrokyne were ordered to move out of the village by #DPR head and left it
    This Russian military move is totally strange-----after weeks of shellings and countless grounds attacks.

    Russian Land Forces continue to deploy forces westwards into Ukraine. So why retreat? Deception/Maskirovka? https://twitter.com/vorobyov/status/616665006281740288

    Is the Battle For Shirokino Over? Russian-Backed Fighters Reportedly Withdraw http://bit.ly/1CdVAfw pic.twitter.com/2vUqwMYyup

    Ukraine's MoD reports that Russian-backed militants have retreated from #Shyrokyne, a small town East of #Mariupol
    http://novosti.dn.ua/details/253970/

    So the shelling of their own positions was done after the Russians retreated from Shyrokyne.
    Fits their strategy: destroy what you can't get

    Ukrainians were on higher ground in #Shyrokyne. Shelling it was all the Russians could do for months. Now engagement is in more open field?

    It's likely that Russian occupiers retreated. MilitaryCraps reluctantly shows new reality.
    https://twitter.com/Millermena/statu...70501616906241 … pic.twitter.com/rOiCnlvadr

    Russian DPR-units seen shelling their own side in Shyrokyne. But they do such things all the time anyway. https://twitter.com/RutheniaRus/stat...40798067703809

    Militants widened area of attacks near #Shyrokyne, ruined Bohdanivka, Staroihativka - #Azov https://www.facebook.com/azov.batali...83358025027652 … pic.twitter.com/WLotBh1DxE

    After retreating, the cocktail of Russian army & 'separatists' fired on their abandoned positions & blamed #Ukraine: https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/sta...96336381915137

    ..& make propaganda out of it by blaming #Ukraine
    See this: http://novorossia.today/sakhanka-con...elling-photos/
    Then this: http://novorossia.today/dpr-army-uni...okino-basurin/https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros/stat...93814883844096
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 07-02-2015 at 08:23 PM.

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    And one of these reports is even stranger-------?????

    OSCE: Yesterday fighting at and around Donetsk airport continued with increased intensity. 306 explosions recorded.
    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/169016

    18:43 [http://vk.com ] @666_mancer "I called a fried - yes, there's a battle in #Berezove"

    18:43 [http://vk.com ] @666_mancer "They say #Volnovakha [CP] is closed"

    Shyrokyne @dertien1488 "in interception orcs also don't understand where the bombs are from" [author is a UKR soldier]

    19:53 #Shyrokyne @dertien1488 One can hear pops in #Sakhanka direction, but not ours, maybe some 'third force'...


    People in Sarhanka east of #Mariupol their village shelled for over 4 hours yesterday. Many homes damaged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    And one of these reports is even stranger-------?????

    OSCE: Yesterday fighting at and around Donetsk airport continued with increased intensity. 306 explosions recorded.
    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/169016

    18:43 [http://vk.com ] @666_mancer "I called a fried - yes, there's a battle in #Berezove"

    18:43 [http://vk.com ] @666_mancer "They say #Volnovakha [CP] is closed"

    Shyrokyne @dertien1488 "in interception orcs also don't understand where the bombs are from" [author is a UKR soldier]

    19:53 #Shyrokyne @dertien1488 One can hear pops in #Sakhanka direction, but not ours, maybe some 'third force'...


    People in Sarhanka east of #Mariupol their village shelled for over 4 hours yesterday. Many homes damaged.
    So if the Ukrainians are not shelling the Russian mercenaries--JUST who is?????

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    Ukraine : More #Russia tank invasion forces deployed in #Luhansk http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=48...4&z=17&m=b&v=1 … pic.twitter.com/qaEiq30Tvw

    Ukraine : Part 2 : More #Russia invasion forces deployed around #Luhansk airbase http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=48...6&z=17&m=b&v=1 … pic.twitter.com/b7jBAWZQOs

    Ukraine : More #Russia invasion forces deployed around #Luhansk airbase http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=48...5&z=17&m=b&v=1 … pic.twitter.com/nC62W6aQfO

    Сover Story of the ‘Former’ Soldier of 7th Russian Base Does not Hold Water: https://en.informnapalm.org/the-sove...ot-hold-water/ … @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/I8PID7xU7i

    BREAKING: Russia to boycott OSCE meeting after diplomat barred
    http://upi.com/5167726t prin @upi

    Really well worth reading------Galeotti---has a great depth of knowledge in the Russian military

    Mark Galeotti @MarkGaleotti
    Flare-ups likely in #Ukraine-#Russia standoff
    My latest analysis in Jane's Intel Review - downloadable from
    http://www.janes.com/magazines/ihs-j...ligence-review

    Right, Fhiblips did spend time b4 living on a Russian base in Ukraine - in Nov 2014 - according to his own SM post: pic.twitter.com/CvwD23EExO

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    This below was recently confirmed by Ukrainian military drones.

    Over past months all Russian vehicles got white diamond-like IFF =Russians planning to use aircraft sometime soon https://twitter.com/finriswolf/statu...44345190612992

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