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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    BREAKING--if true and this is the first mention in social media and not confirmed by any other means---THEN Russia forces are about to cross the demarcation line in a formal Russian offensive.

    Urgent talks on #Ukraine in Normandy format is scheduled for Friday evening http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/17-july...t-is-scheduled
    It was said by president of Ukraine Petro Poproshenko, Interfax-Ukraine reports.
    “I was just told that immediate talks in the Normandy format are planned by telephone,” he said at the end of a meeting with chief of law-enforcement agencies of the Dnipropetrovsk region.

    The president added: “We pay and must pay special attention to the process of de-escalation of the conflict in the east and coordination of our actions with our partners and the pro-Ukrainian coalition.”
    @StateDept warns US citizens to defer all travel to Crimea & Donetsk/Luhansk and those already there to leave! pic.twitter.com/QFcbThcJH6

    Inhabitants of Donetsk and Luhansk fall under the protection of Moscow after getting Russian Fed passports, 17 Jul https://translate.google.ie/translat...tml&edit-text=

    Could be a Kremlin "dirty tricks" story to confuse, distract, put pressure on before Minsk Normandy meeting urgently called for tonight
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    Orthodox Christian soldiers train snipers for Donbas combat missions http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ns-393706.html

    Russian Drones Can Intrude on a Pretext of Searching for Lost Children: https://en.informnapalm.org/russian-...lost-children/ … via @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/n4vGYIdOIb

    SR-3M Vikhr, ORSIS T-5000, VSSK Vychlop, 9A-91... nice choice of Russian SOF/Recce weapons in #Ukraine via @Dbnmjr pic.twitter.com/Q86HH3z49B

    Heavy explosion in #Luhansk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/17-july...ion-in-luhansk … pic.twitter.com/6jcFzM8EWL via @lradar_official

    If it shouts at you, "I'm a Russian Army T-72B1 in Makeevka, Ukraine" ...
    pic.twitter.com/epCi8xSlKq

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Wrap up of MH17 for today:

    Must read: key MH17 witness arrested by Russian Security Service on the day Investigators called for witnesseshttp://lugansk-news.com/oleg-bugrov-...ecret-service/

    July 17: Russian GRU officer Strelkov didn't hesitate to edit his post after learning not AN-26 but #MH17 was downed! pic.twitter.com/UnLW3kaWRg

    Deleted DNR tweet confirming Russian rebels indeed have a BUK-M1 #Ukraine #Russia #Russianinvasion pic.twitter.com/prJ2AMDV13

    Another "DNR" witness "heard the other plane move in the direction of Debaltsevo" WTF, is this the most idiotic fake country on earth?

    DNR" witness: "I looked up and saw a grey plane, resembling a military destroyer" << what, you DIDN'T take down the license plate number??

    Never seen #MH17 aftermath vid: #Russia DNR gunmen phone call suggests pilot of downed plane was ALIVE after crash: pic.twitter.com/8e6pR6e8vA
    It's a bird! It's a plane! It's eastern Ukrainian rebels' new report claiming MH17 was shot down by a fighter jet! https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/07/17...one-in-the-sky

    Russia Today now going with time-honored strategy of "when all else fails to deflect your own guilt, blame the Jews" pic.twitter.com/pq7z7tJWXI

    Did Strelkov Report Downing of MH17 Before Other Social Media Users? Earlier Post Revealed http://www.interpretermag.com/russia...-16-2015/#9191 … pic.twitter.com/7wbe1Szlb2

    Deleted #MH17 video from LifeNews with English subtitles
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIPkwhVHpJs

    Russia's RT Spins And Spins Over New MH17 Footage. http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-.../27134682.html … pic.twitter.com/5dlsvMmE4E
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    Ukraine Claims Russian-Backed Forces Have Shelled A JCCC Observation Post Near Luganskoye. http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...ontinues/#9204

    Russian forces DPR tank unit positions near Marinka, occupied-Donetsk 17 Jul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0fz22NgQow&t=418 … pic.twitter.com/cG6GaGIDo0 ...

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    AND the shellings start early again tonight.............

    17:17 #Donetsk @nixer79 Mospine locals said, lots of hardware moved through tow/Donetsk

    19:14 #Donetsk @relictDon Evening shelling in the northwest started according to schedule.

    19:09 #Horlivka @77bot1 "Pretty distant echo of the battle"

    18:46 #Horlivka @tgorlovka From #Shyroka_Balka area one can hear small arms shots

    18:15 #Donetsk @frosy1burlakova 3 tankettes and a kamaz along Kuybysheva tow/railway station "went to fire at #Pisky, here comes evening"

    19:50 #Donetsk @nixer79 Evening session of heavy salvos started fr/ Putilovka groove, rocket-like aftersound, tow/#Pisky

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post

    AND the shellings start early again tonight.............all along the eastern front lines
    17:17 #Donetsk @nixer79 Mospine locals said, lots of hardware moved through tow/Donetsk

    19:14 #Donetsk @relictDon Evening shelling in the northwest started according to schedule.

    19:09 #Horlivka @77bot1 "Pretty distant echo of the battle"

    18:46 #Horlivka @tgorlovka From #Shyroka_Balka area one can hear small arms shots

    18:15 #Donetsk @frosy1burlakova 3 tankettes and a kamaz along Kuybysheva tow/railway station "went to fire at #Pisky, here comes evening"

    19:50 #Donetsk @nixer79 Evening session of heavy salvos started fr/ Putilovka groove, rocket-like aftersound, tow/#Pisky
    Shellings are now becoming massive and intense.......still along the entire eastern front line.

    Russia-orchestrated militants in Donbas amount to 34,000 - Defense Ministry
    http://www.unian.info/war/1102177-ru...-ministry.html … pic.twitter.com/ThCqfYmIdO


    20:26 #Donetsk Kirovsky ds @902Albi We hear volleys from various positions

    20:25 #Donetsk @relictDon Volleys fr/Smolyanka. And from Azotny too.

    20:25 #Donetsk @AkaDON12 Smolyanka shakes, Kuybyshevska mine, DZKhR etc are trembling from 152mm shots, direction unclear

    20:24 #Donetsk @PVB40 Silence is over in Donetsk at 20:24

    20:31 #Avdeevka @bamr69 Party started here. Rumble in #Opytne-airport area

    20:30 #Donetsk @nixer79 All-around shelling Avdeevka bridgehead started, battery in Zasyadko mine up-cast area, joined

    20:37#Avdeevka @JuZolyshkaLia Just now landing nearby, loud and strong one

    20:37#Avdeevka @Marchcat_81 Incoming

    20:40 #Avdeevka @JuZolyshkaLia For now 3 incoming, unclear where exactly. Very distant volleys were heard and close landings

    20:41 #Avdeevka @owl_ok [vk] Molodizhna St 17, 19, 20 - windows broke

    20:44 #Horlivka Stroitel @ahab7822 Rumble fr/#Shyroka_Balka direction

    20:50 #Avdeevka @JuZolyshkaLia Incoming again. In last 2min 2 of them

    20:51 #Avdeevka @666_mancer [vk] "2 projectile impacts on Khimik, 1st at 20:35"

    20:48 #Donetsk Bakiny @xnzor1 "Smoke after Avdeevka shelling?" pic.twitter.com/zZV4eC9lIN

    20:55 #Avdeevka @bamr69 Incoming are terrible, they are firing just at the town

    20:55 #Avdeevka @JuZolyshkaLia "wow! Nearby. Gagarina St, a close impact"

    20:57 #Avdeevka @666_mancer [vk] "In old town part single mortar bombs hiss and impacts are heard in cellars&checkpoint area"

    21:00 #Avdeevka @JuZolyshkaLia Checkpoint area: rumble!

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    Obama via Nuland, Hollande and Merkel applied pressure to the Ukrainians to pass a "special status " zone law which they did--REMEMBER what Putin is pushing for is the "Bosnian solution"--which means the mercenary zone would have veto rights over all Ukrainian foreign affairs, and economic treaty decisions and be free to make their own treaties and agreements.

    IF they would read his definitions over the last six months of federalization--that is exactly what he wants--but who in DC, Paris, Berlin reads anything Putin says????

    This was the answer from Putin after his Security Meeting yesterday-----

    JUST how did the West think Putin is going to come off of the "Bosnian solution"??? Any student of foreign affairs especially European affairs knows this is what Putin wants to be able to control completely the Ukraine AND western leaders did not know this????

    SO what is their solution for the Ukraine now--to push them to completely cave to Russian demands ie appeasement on the part of Obama and company?????


    Russia Calls Ukrainian Constitutional Changes Inadequate

    By RFE/RL

    July 18, 2015

    Russia has rejected proposed changes in Ukraine's constitution as not going far enough to fulfill Ukraine's obligations under the Minsk peace accord.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin in a two-hour telephone meeting July 17 with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and the leaders of France and Germany, said the changes don't meet the terms of the agreement because they were made without consulting with the Russian-backed rebel leaders in eastern Ukraine who are seeking greater autonomy.

    Putin repeated his call for Poroshenko to negotiate directly with the heads of the two self-declared republics of Lugansk and Donetsk -- something the Ukrainian leader has refused to do.

    Russia's Foreign Ministry declared "the attempt to present the constitutional amendments... as some kind of fulfillment by Kyiv of its Minsk obligations...should not fool anybody."

    Poroshenko insisted at the meeting that Ukraine is abiding by the Minsk agreements, and accused Russia and the separatists of violating the ceasefire and other provisions of the accord.

    The exchange came a day after Ukraine's parliament took the first step toward granting what AFP described as temporary self-rule to pro-Russian rebels under a constitutional change sent to Ukraine's Constitutional Court for review.

    The changes would grant Ukraine's parliament authority to create or recognize new regions within the country which would have limited powers to govern themselves, primarily on financial and local matters.

    The decentralization would not take away any of the central government's powers in areas such as defense, foreign policy, national security, the rule of law, and respect for civil liberties, according to Ukraine Today.

    While Russia maintained the changes are not adequate, the United States and France endorsed them as a good "starting point" for carrying out the Minsk agreement.

    U.S. Vice President Joe Biden in a phone call with Poroshenko welcomed the parliament's decision to "start constitutional reform" and take steps toward the decentralization of power and organizing of local elections, the Ukrainian president's office said.

    French President Francois Hollande praised the constitutional proposals as a "positive first step" that should lead to the staging of local elections in rebel-run regions later this year, Hollande's office said.

    "Local elections held under Ukrainian law and with respect for the corresponding commitments will be an important milestone," it said.

    Putin in the meeting also urged Ukraine to stop effectively blockading the separatists regions of east Ukraine, contending that a "humanitarian crisis" was developing there.

    The four leaders, sometimes referred to as the Normandy group, agreed to talk again next week.
    NOTICE: Did anyone outside of the Ukraine repeat the mantra in this conference call "we have fulfilled our definition of Minsk 2--you Russia are still absolutely not in full compliance with any point in Minsk 2"--nothing of the sort from the western leadership side--only the Ukraine stated Russia had not fulfilled anything.

    WHY is that?--three weeks ago all western leaders were beating up Russia with the accusation of non compliance of all points in Minsk 2---NOW after the Iran Deal--total silence.

    AND this is not appeasement????

    The US signature is on a document called the "1994 Budapest Memorandum" which states the US and the UK will protect Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity from outside attack--DOES this seem like they are "protecting it"????
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    Vehicle search reveals UAH 8 mln heading to militants (Photo)
    http://www.unian.info/war/1102186-ve...nts-photo.html … pic.twitter.com/4EQWtGSDdr

    Yarosh, Right Sector leader, now also says the soldiers at #Mukacheve were lured into a trap.
    http://en.censor.net.ua/news/344329/...ay_their_guilt … pic.twitter.com/Tswyq1cxAw

    Mukachevo MP Lanio Prevented From Leaving Ukraine By Border Guards. http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...ontinues/#9201 … pic.twitter.com/ozTLx7lNTx

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    Reference the BUK that shot down MH17-------

    GRU officer Petrovsky ("Khmury") organizing #Buk which shot down #MH17
    http://politrussia.com/geroi-dobrovo...etrovskiy-987/
    http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2015/04/01/...ion-team-mh17/ … pic.twitter.com/Vt8MGo8hxf

    GRAPHIC: RU video glorifying Petrovsky:
    He's the one who organized the reprehensible POW march on Aug 4 too.
    https://youtu.be/u6TGhrGyMrM

    Petrovsky was in RU army, fought in Afg., S.Ossetia, Chechnya (w/ Girkin).This is his 9th war.
    http://icorpus.ru/intervyu-s-generalom-petrovskim/ … pic.twitter.com/C7rCtESqrV

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    This is what happens when you as President have a total disconnect with your DoS/NSC and DoD.

    AND when your foreign policy is simply based on "legacy".

    Unintended consequences is also what one gets when one only addresses single problems at a time--this President and his NSC are not even capable to multi tasking.

    Russia is moving to a full phase eight of their UW strategy--open state on state war is about to begin in the Ukraine if it has not already started via the Russian artillery prep and ever increasing Spetsnaz missions over the last three weeks.

    Putin signed decree on mobilization in Russian Federation
    http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Docu...01201507170019http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/18-july...n-mobilization... … pic.twitter.com/3hkeRkamiX

    ALL reservists, all men btw 18 and 60!

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    This is what unilateral fulfillment gets one under the Hollande and Merkel Minsk 2 agreement—constant shellings and ground attacks
    Shellings are earlier than normal and are intense (this does not include the heavy overnight attacks as well)……….AND where are the responses from Obama, Hollande and Merkel??????


    07:10 #Donetsk @relictDon From the northwest one can hear morning warm-up, seldom heavy volleys

    08:23 #Donetsk @AlfaNubovsky Yday afternoon as usually covered high-sided trucks moved tow/airport and back each 5-7min

    07:07 #Avdeevka @JuZolyshkaLia Mostly volleys are heard now

    07:00 #Donetsk @nixer79 For about 1/2hr the same heavy volleys fr/Putilovka groove each 15-20 sec...

    3 killed in Avdiivka in shellings http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/18-july...a-in-shellings

    07:01 #Avdeevka @JuZolyshkaLia Rumble

    06:59 #Donetsk Schetinina @DoneckiiPatriot Since 4:30am strong distant volleys of heavy cannon started,like boxes are dropped

    Awakened early this morning by thunderous artillery exchange in NW #Donetsk. Off & on for hours now. Not a good start to the weekend.

    04:00 - As a result of militant shelling of Avdiivka, a woman and her disabled grandson were killed - Abroskin
    https://m.facebook.com/Vyacheslav.Ab...97?pnref=story

    06:55 #Donetsk @AkaDON12 Traditionally for last days we woke up at 6am to the heavy single salvos in Putilovka direction

    06:54 #Donetsk @Buzzing_Rook Incoming responses, again at Putilovka?

    #Avdeevka @owl_ok preliminary info: 2 dead in Molodizhna 20: a grandma and her 21yo disabled grandson

    06:21 #Horlivka @DobryShubin RUS woke up before 6am and awoke peacefully sleeping city [=ourgoing shelling]

    06:13 #Horlivka @Julia_Twinkle They deprive us of sleep, pound since 6am

    05:25 #Horlivka @77bot1 One hears gunnery, they are shelling somewhere

    July 16: #Russia's convoy of 100 trucks w/ unknown content illegally crosses into #Ukraine. July 17-18: militants intensify attacks in #ATO

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    Possible indicator on a pending Russian offensive as the Russians desperately want to take this town after their massive failure the first time with over 1K troops and 100 tanks led by Spetsnaz.

    Ruscists don't let people enter #Marinka, they have closed #Aleksandrovka checkpoint.
    http://www.62.ua/news/893835

    GRU SOF in Luhansk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/18-july-gru-sof-in-luhansk … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/4RKObrmuMY via @BuTaJIu4eK

    10:15 #Dnepropetrovsk @gdalinka [Several] ambulance cars sped towards the airport [=wounded arrived]

    Battalion "Donbass" Captured enemy IFV in Shyrokyne
    http://m.0629.com.ua/news/893754 pic.twitter.com/KCLbYVVGp6

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    This is what happens when you as President have a total disconnect with your DoS/NSC and DoD.

    AND when your foreign policy is simply based on "legacy".

    Unintended consequences is also what one gets when one only addresses single problems at a time--this President and his NSC are not even capable to multi tasking.

    Russia is moving to a full phase eight of their UW strategy--open state on state war is about to begin in the Ukraine if it has not already started via the Russian artillery prep and ever increasing Spetsnaz missions over the last three weeks.

    Putin signed decree on mobilization in Russian Federation
    http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Docu...01201507170019http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/18-july...n-mobilization... … pic.twitter.com/3hkeRkamiX

    ALL reservists, all men btw 18 and 60!
    Full mobilization was one of the Cold War indicators that had military planners on edge as the Russian military can go immediately on the attack knowing their reserves forces are coming online and can backfill attack units.

    Putin signed decree on manpower mobilization of Russian Armed Forces (part of new system of training of reservists)

    'Full mobilization' turns out to be a call to 5000 soldiers from the reserve + more information here:
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150717/1134211364.html

    not necessary that they will go to war, but everyone must update/add their records in new database

    they changing system of reserves, so men who are in "reserve" must go to their enlistment office and join "mobilization reserve"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Obama via Nuland, Hollande and Merkel applied pressure to the Ukrainians to pass a "special status " zone law which they did--REMEMBER what Putin is pushing for is the "Bosnian solution"--which means the mercenary zone would have veto rights over all Ukrainian foreign affairs, and economic treaty decisions and be free to make their own treaties and agreements.

    IF they would read his definitions over the last six months of federalization--that is exactly what he wants--but who in DC, Paris, Berlin reads anything Putin says????

    This was the answer from Putin after his Security Meeting yesterday-----

    JUST how did the West think Putin is going to come off of the "Bosnian solution"??? Any student of foreign affairs especially European affairs knows this is what Putin wants to be able to control completely the Ukraine AND western leaders did not know this????

    SO what is their solution for the Ukraine now--to push them to completely cave to Russian demands ie appeasement on the part of Obama and company?????


    Russia Calls Ukrainian Constitutional Changes Inadequate

    By RFE/RL

    July 18, 2015



    NOTICE: Did anyone outside of the Ukraine repeat the mantra in this conference call "we have fulfilled our definition of Minsk 2--you Russia are still absolutely not in full compliance with any point in Minsk 2"--nothing of the sort from the western leadership side--only the Ukraine stated Russia had not fulfilled anything.

    WHY is that?--three weeks ago all western leaders were beating up Russia with the accusation of non compliance of all points in Minsk 2---NOW after the Iran Deal--total silence.

    AND this is not appeasement????

    The US signature is on a document called the "1994 Budapest Memorandum" which states the US and the UK will protect Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity from outside attack--DOES this seem like they are "protecting it"????
    Just how is it that Obama, Hollande and Merkel seem to think unilateral caving on key Minsk 2 points is going to get any results from a Russia that has until now never fulfilled a single point of the Minsk 2 agreement that all three pushed as the political solution for the eastern Ukraine.

    Below are the direct results of that unilateral move by the Ukraine---nothing reciprocal by Russia is seen anywhere other than in heavier shellings and more ground attacks.


    Putin insists (to Merkel/Hollande) Poroshenko negotiate directly with DPR/LPR and give them autonomy over defence, foreign policy, security.

    NOTICE--this is the "Bosnian solution" and Obama, Hollande and Merkel know for a fact it has never worked in Bosnia.

    youtube.com/watch?v=muiAqCycU3c … 3 civilians killed in #Avdiivka shelling 2 days after West+#Russia 'decentralize' #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/waFwRqV6Zb

    Map. Situation in eastern #Ukraine, July 18, 00:00 EET pic.twitter.com/2P1VURE7Pb

    Ukraine : Sat imagery shows 'rebel' arms depots overflowing with weapon/ammo crates days after each #Russia "aid" convoy leaves #Luhansk

    Yesterday in Luhansk region, 1 Ukrainian soldier was killed and 4 wounded - Luhansk RSA
    http://www.loga.gov.ua/oda/press/new...ews_66852.html

    Russian artillery 152,120 mm attacked near #Mariupol all night: #Shyrokine Granitne Lebedynske Novoselovka Chermalyk. Casualties reported.

    Mariupol area: this night at least 1 UKR KIA (it reads "there are KIA") http://news.liga.net/news/politics/6...ie_voennye.htm

    Spetsnaz on the attack again----
    Ukrainian forces repelled attack of scout group near Lebedinske
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/18-july...out-group-near

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    Obama via Nuland, Hollande and Merkel applied pressure to the Ukraine to do an unilateral move on the Minsk 2 agreement WITH absolutely no reciprocal moves by Russia—THIS simply muddied the waters even more.

    WAS this unilateral move an attempt to “appease Putin and or provide Russia with some sort of face saving”???????


    IF so it failed badly as we seen below.

    Russian Ambassador to London wants Ukraine to "giveaway" Donbas to Russian Federation. LOL https://twitter.com/Amb_Yakovenko/st...45735795777536

    Kremlin:"Kiev has extremely #selective #interpretation of the #Minsk2 treaty".
    + "WE WANT POINT 11 IMPLEMENTED NOW!"
    pic.twitter.com/zlF4jazTWk

    Also #Russia demands "inclusion of DPR/LPR representatives as descr in point 11",ignoring those must be elected in acc. w/ Ukr constitution.

    Russia demands the fulfillment of point 11 of the #Minsk2 plan while having 10K troops & 30K mercenaries in #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/gvRSwZcIk1

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    NOTICE the Russian FM statement absolutely does not mention the simple fact the Ukrainian changes were submitted for intensive review by the Vienna Committee of which Russia is a member and the VC suggested some changes the Ukraine in fact accepted and approved.

    NOTICE as well Russia talks about nothing they have to comply with also under Minsk 2 and right now they are in direct violation of Minsk 2 on any of the 11 points AND they worry about the Ukraine--????

    http://en.mid.ru/en/web/guest/foreig...ent/id/1596523

    17 July 201513:43

    Foreign Ministry’s statement on Ukraine’s constitutional process

    Russia is concerned about the ongoing crisis in Ukraine and problems arising in the course of a settlement. Kiev has been very selective with respect to the February 12, 2015 Minsk agreements – its approach is based on its own interpretation.
    The draft amendments to the provisions of the Ukrainian Constitution on decentralization, submitted to the Verkhovna Rada recently, were prepared not only without the participation of the real representatives of Donetsk and Lugansk but also without any account of the interests of Ukraine’s southeast. This document in no way corresponds to the Minsk agreements that clearly require a permanent special status for Donbass and decentralisation of powers and authority. This provision is described in detail in Item 11 of the Minsk Package of Measures.

    By introducing the thesis about “peculiarities of local self-government in the individual districts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions” into the draft’s section on transitional provisions, Kiev is trying to feign the implementation of its Minsk commitments. But this attempt is simply a sidestep and should not deceive anyone. Speaking in the Verkhovna Rada on July 16, 2015, President Petr Poroshenko said that the draft amendments to the Ukrainian Constitution do not grant special status to Donbass.

    Such “Kiev-style decentralisation” is largely prompted by transitory considerations of political expediency and may at any time become a bargaining chip in the never-ending struggle for power in Ukraine. Moreover, this demagogical rhetoric is misleading the public in Ukraine and the rest of the world.

    Ukraine badly needs real constitutional reform but it should lead to the adoption of a thoroughly amended and updated public contract after a comprehensive discussion. Poly-ethnic Ukrainian society should perceive it as a firm and reliable long-term agreement that guarantees equality for all regions and ethnic groups. Without this, Ukraine will not be able to resolve its urgent needs in overcoming the current deep crisis.

    We are urging Ukraine to stop evading the process of political settlement and to strictly abide by the spirit and letter of the Minsk-2 accords.

    We also hope that instead of encouraging Kiev’s irresponsible policy, our Western partners will still try to persuade the Ukrainian authorities to launch a true nationwide political dialogue in the country.

    July 17, 2015

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    NOTICE the Russian FM statement absolutely does not mention the simple fact the Ukrainian changes were submitted for intensive review by the Vienna Committee of which Russia is a member and the VC suggested some changes the Ukraine in fact accepted and approved.

    NOTICE as well Russia talks about nothing they have to comply with also under Minsk 2 and right now they are in direct violation of Minsk 2 on any of the 11 points AND they worry about the Ukraine--????

    http://en.mid.ru/en/web/guest/foreig...ent/id/1596523

    17 July 201513:43

    Foreign Ministry’s statement on Ukraine’s constitutional process
    NOTICE the West never seems to verbally push back on the perception that Russia has a no international legal right to tell the Ukraine what to do and or not do-how strange is that????

    Mention anything about Russia involvement in the shot down of MH17 and they go completely ballistic and fall all over themselves telling the world not to meddle in Russian affairs.
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    More direct results of the Obama, Hollande, Merkel appeasement policies...

    Change of #Russian rhetoric over downing the #MH17 as evidence gathers against #Kremlin pic.twitter.com/gTx2h2MSEh

    Of course Russia's militia are blocking OSCE from observing their armor bases at #Komsomolske
    via @sterion75 https://twitter.com/2111015/status/622369729467056128

    OSCE patrol blocked, searched by militants in Komsomolsk http://24today.net/open/475347 pic.twitter.com/mgsuANGJ4S

    Terrorist Bezler aka Bes returned to Horlivka, controls Horlivka checkpoints.
    http://informator.lg.ua/?p=106237 pic.twitter.com/mNioISzEW4

    Good thing Russian troops playing "rebels" in #Ukraine keep uploading pics of #Russia only equipment.
    Ie. this T-72B3
    pic.twitter.com/iDpVU83OrC

    Information war is heating up on Facebook-----
    Russia's chief propagandist Kiselyov launches Facebook and Twitter accounts. Then they're swiftly deleted. http://grani.ru/Society/Media/m.242956.html

    vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2642655&cid=7 … Dmitry Kiselyov says he didn’t delete his Facebook account, claims it was censored by Facebook. (Doesn’t say why.)

    Police seized weapons and ammunition from a resident in Avdiivka.
    http://www.mvs.gov.ua/mvs/control/do...article/206378 … pic.twitter.com/IC7VN3xJcJ

    Militants launch majority of attacks at night so not to attract the attention of international monitors - Lysenko
    http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/lys...t_night_333109

    One Ukrainian soldier killed, five wounded in #Donbas in last day
    http://uatoday.tv/news/one-ukrainian...ay-458383.html … pic.twitter.com/EDldWbJS9x

    youtube.com/watch?v=87LCTLXO5OI … Tourist fr #Rostov Obl,#Russia:'They met us w/ artillery fire.' And u expected vodka? pic.twitter.com/la7GLh9ChW

    Another beaten Spetsnaz attempt to line cross—they are seeming using their fourth team as no single team has been able to penetrate across the demarcation line—how strange is that??

    It is almost as of the Ukrainians are reading the Spetsnaz mission briefings.


    Lysenko - Near #Mariupol, Ukrainian ATO forces repulsed enemy sabotage group http://www.mariupol.tv/news/war/mari..._boevikov.html … via @Mariupol_TV 18 Jul

    Russian "Flectar-D" camo? pic.twitter.com/UBG397Ze8i

    The Soviet Military secretly mapped the entire world, but few outsiders have seen the maps—until now
    http://www.wired.com/2015/07/secret-cold-war-maps/ …?
    Soviet detailed military guide to San Diego.

    Terrorists shelled Novotashkovske, Luhansk reg, 2 wounded. https://twitter.com/interfaxua/statu...52085124780032

    Russia performed observation flights over Estonia and Finland this week http://www.baltictimes.com/russia_to...lBfXrs.twitter

    GOMU's Burdinskiy claims Russian Army has over 300K contractees, will have about 352K at year's end. http://bit.ly/1fd7Em9 .

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    Strelkov Reportedly Says that Motorola, Givi Out; Zakharchenko Stripped of Guard; after Moscow VIP Visit http://bit.ly/1HzyiQ9

    Strelkov has been named in the MH17 900M USD sit filed in Chicago as being the mercenary leader during the shot down of MH17.

    He is constantly talking about what goes on in the Donbass as if he is immune to anything--he must have one heck of an insurance policy and or tons of incriminating Putin documents in a hide away.

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    Reference the Russian armed troops on Georgian territory involved in the illegal boundary extensions by Russia this week.

    Georgian police makes 3 more arrests in Kutaisi
    http://www.interpressnews.ge/en/regi...n-kutaisi.html

    Georgia: 53-year-old man abducted from the village of Knolevi, EU monitoring mission informed
    http://www.interpressnews.ge/en/conf...f-knolevi.html

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