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    Shellings are slow in starting this evening--maybe they are low on munitions as another Russian 100 truck munitions convoy came in today. After each munitions convoy then the shellings intensify.

    OSCE: situation in Donetsk noticeably tenser yesterday than previous 2 days. New craters seen near Avdiivka #Ukraine

    19:44 #Donetsk @Newrashkineits 5 outgoing

    19:44 #Donetsk @HeleneHelene5 Sounds of very heavy volleys fr Smolyanka or Azotny, flying w/aftersound

    19:35 #Luhansk south @esorrrose "A small arms burst somewhere, boneheads"

    19:33 #Donetsk @nixer79 A battle for abt 15min in#Spartak-Yastnuvata fork+mortaring fr/Putilov grove

    19:21 #Dokuchaevsk @whicard5 Prepare for shelling from us, Yasny: 1 tank, 1 Ural w/ammo, 3 mortars; Alexandrinka: 5 mortars

    18:54 #Dokuchaevsk @Pink_Shark___ At #Yasny settlement today there is 1 tank, 3 mortars, a truck w/ammo

    19:55 #Donetsk @Gong_Ego Within 10 min since 19:40 they've shelled w/large calibre for abt 25 times tow/#Opytne and that's all. As if peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Shellings are slow in starting this evening--maybe they are low on munitions as another Russian 100 truck munitions convoy came in today. After each munitions convoy then the shellings intensify.

    OSCE: situation in Donetsk noticeably tenser yesterday than previous 2 days. New craters seen near Avdiivka #Ukraine

    19:44 #Donetsk @Newrashkineits 5 outgoing

    19:44 #Donetsk @HeleneHelene5 Sounds of very heavy volleys fr Smolyanka or Azotny, flying w/aftersound

    19:35 #Luhansk south @esorrrose "A small arms burst somewhere, boneheads"

    19:33 #Donetsk @nixer79 A battle for abt 15min in#Spartak-Yastnuvata fork+mortaring fr/Putilov grove

    19:21 #Dokuchaevsk @whicard5 Prepare for shelling from us, Yasny: 1 tank, 1 Ural w/ammo, 3 mortars; Alexandrinka: 5 mortars

    18:54 #Dokuchaevsk @Pink_Shark___ At #Yasny settlement today there is 1 tank, 3 mortars, a truck w/ammo

    19:55 #Donetsk @Gong_Ego Within 10 min since 19:40 they've shelled w/large calibre for abt 25 times tow/#Opytne and that's all. As if peace
    Well so much for the so called heavy weapons withdrawal as someone is shelling Ukrainian positions with heavy artillery.

    21:03 #Horlivka @tgorlovka Explosions heard from the west

    21:06 #Horlivka @ahab7822 Night 'greeting' starts, seldom volleys from #Novhorodske direction, smoke plume in the field

    21:03 #Horlivka @tgorlovka Booms from the west [unclear either incoming or outgoing]

    Lysychansk 8:50PM
    Something exploded, smoke rising now from 2 houses in microdistrct 35. https://twitter.com/lis_hunta/status/624275290685050880 …

    Horlivka 21:01
    Artillery working https://twitter.com/fenix_dnr/status/624278139494117377 …

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    Russia|n special forces ID'd guarding GWP concocting propaganda w/ aid delivery in #Ukraine:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ua07fP8crc … pic.twitter.com/wQPYGxGf7l

    In a 2nd video from the same scene another #Russia|n soldier guards GWP & aid truck from the other side of the road. pic.twitter.com/pblew0GwaQ
    Source video:
    https://youtu.be/4zRRN57GOuo?t=2m42s …

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Well so much for the so called heavy weapons withdrawal as someone is shelling Ukrainian positions with heavy artillery.

    21:03 #Horlivka @tgorlovka Explosions heard from the west

    21:06 #Horlivka @ahab7822 Night 'greeting' starts, seldom volleys from #Novhorodske direction, smoke plume in the field

    21:03 #Horlivka @tgorlovka Booms from the west [unclear either incoming or outgoing]

    Lysychansk 8:50PM
    Something exploded, smoke rising now from 2 houses in microdistrct 35. https://twitter.com/lis_hunta/status/624275290685050880

    Horlivka 21:01
    Artillery working https://twitter.com/fenix_dnr/status/624278139494117377
    22:15 #Donetsk @ropogckou Petrovskogo St: there was lasting roar, it sounded like tanks on move

    20:50 #Lysychansk @lis_hunta Something exploded, the smoke goes up near #35, 2nd microdistrict

    22:40 #Avdeevka @rechnikato Rumble

    22:47 @vladicvp Short #Avdeevka shelling. at 8pm-9pm SA and mortars in Spartak-airport

    22:50 #Luhansk @LuhanskJunta Ongoing shelling at #Stanytsia_Luhanska, smth heavy has been used, 1hr ago it wasn't that loud

    #Donetsk 22:24
    Tekstilshchik ds prepared for the evening. Tracked equpment went towards Petrovka. https://twitter.com/PVB40/status/624299252446007296

    Dokuchaevsk @Shrik_E
    22:15 Track vehicles moved tow/Yasny
    22:35 And they have just moved back

    22:33 #Donetsk @vladicvp Since 18:00 in/#Krasnohorivka-Abakumova a battle started, RUS shell w/tanks, UKR reply

    22:30 #Maryinka @hyeva_maryinka [vk] Quiet, sporadic [rumbles] in #Krasnohorivka direction

    22:54 #Luhansk @esorrrose They calmed down

    Mercenaries “claimed they had withdrawn their tanks”—appears to be lies again
    Tracked armor on Petrovskogo St heard in Donetsk, to Mariinka direction. https://twitter.com/PVB40/status/624299252446007296

    Heavy explosions non-stop from the direction of Stanytsia Luhanska. As always after #Russian "humanitarian" aid convoy...

    Ukraine's Volunteers Saving the Day. "If it wasn't for the volunteer fighters Russia would be at Dnipro River by now" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-...b_7832224.html

    Oleg "Aka". Liquidated in #Marinka, July 19, 2015 → https://vk.com/id297120092
    pic.twitter.com/m3PepBcS9H

    Krasnohorivka 22:46
    Gunfire, assault rifles https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...07753603870720

    Dokuchaevsk, Yasne, outgoing mortar shelling has begun. https://twitter.com/whicard5/status/624307536519262208

    Avdiivka 22:40
    Explosions started https://twitter.com/JuZolyshkaLia/st...03033489473536

    22:55 @vladicvp Distant rumbles are heard in #Ilovaysk and #Dokuchaevsk

    22:44 @vladicvp Quiet in #Dokuchaevsk, #Makeevka, #Starobesheve, #Mariupol, #Ambrosievka, #Volnovakha, #Krasniy_Pakhar, #Ilovaysk, #Kirovsk

    Dokuchajevsk 22:57
    Shooting from the old #Aleksandrovka farm https://twitter.com/Shrik_E/status/624307325835161604

    UA Army officer: Brgd 28 under Berezove getting hit. Probably howitzers, no less than 100 mm. @OSCE_SMM ?? https://twitter.com/SPaWN_ua/status/624310651201019904

    Map update. Mortars positioned 5 hours ago, shelling is RIGHT NOW LIVE. pic.twitter.com/1yg1yG2jC6

    23:04
    In #Stepne loud incoming. #Taramchuk probably gets more, or falling in Taramchuk-Stepne-Berezove triangle. https://twitter.com/Darren_Aro/statu...09207232180224

    NOTICE the shelling by mortars and artillery kind of violates what the Russians and her mercenaries claim when they stated all weapons of 100mm have been withdrawn and when the mercenaries were supposed to have withdrawn all the heavier ones of 122mm to 152mm

    FULLY indicates that they are not in any compliance of Minsk 2 and have been basically lying since Feb 2015.


    latest update to the map, ruscists shelling UA 28 brigade under Dokuchaevsk pic.twitter.com/wa83kQl9Q5

    Shelling in Berezove is still ongoing. Brigade 28 of UA army is hit with mortars from Dokuchaevsk abandoned farm

    UPDATE Dokuchaevsk: probably ruscists got return fire, 2 explosions and they shut up. https://twitter.com/person0009/statu...15685989027844
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    OSCE's Hug, clearly not a happy man: "Protest today was organised vandalism, 30 cars rendered unusable" pic.twitter.com/qH1v3jiatd

    OSCE SMM calls for inquiry into spray paint incident involving SMM vehicles
    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/279807.html …

    IRC vehicles vandalized as well
    Donetsk today, luxury hotel were Intl Red Cross is based pic.twitter.com/DIZ2xj2qvR

    Russian forces with 9K111 'Fagot' Anti-Tank Guided Missile, occupied Donbas, July 2015 https://vk.com/warsonline_military_o...2474637_158195 … pic.twitter.com/NHgyMwZE8m

    Unveiling Hidden Connections with Google Analytics IDs via @bellingcat https://www.bellingcat.com/resources...analytics-ids/ … pic.twitter.com/fChuMfj0UQ

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    Russia Disregards Immunity Principles of the Council of Europe.

    Russia seems to have forgotten also that being a CoE member since 1996 they signed on to accepting all EHRC decisions and lately they have had several court decisions go against them for over 100B USDs ----Yukos being one of them.

    After losing in court to the EHRC they are also refusing to accept any future EHRC decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    OSCE's Hug, clearly not a happy man: "Protest today was organised vandalism, 30 cars rendered unusable" pic.twitter.com/qH1v3jiatd

    OSCE SMM calls for inquiry into spray paint incident involving SMM vehicles
    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/279807.html …

    IRC vehicles vandalized as well
    Donetsk today, luxury hotel were Intl Red Cross is based pic.twitter.com/DIZ2xj2qvR

    Russian forces with 9K111 'Fagot' Anti-Tank Guided Missile, occupied Donbas, July 2015 https://vk.com/warsonline_military_o...2474637_158195 … pic.twitter.com/NHgyMwZE8m

    Unveiling Hidden Connections with Google Analytics IDs via @bellingcat https://www.bellingcat.com/resources...analytics-ids/ … pic.twitter.com/fChuMfj0UQ
    OSCE's Hug says their drones being jammed & their vehicles wrecked by "organized vandalism." What are seps hiding? https://twitter.com/Millermena/statu...13948955807746 …

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    http://maidantranslations.com/2015/0...eesavchenko-2/

    Dmitry Tymchuk: Military update 7.23

    Posted on July 23, 2015 by codenamenox

    Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Operational data from Information Resistance:

    Russian-terrorist troops in Donbas continue heavily shelling the ATO forces positions and civilian objects, employing 120 mm mortars, 122 mm and 152 mm artillery, and armored vehicles.

    In the areas west and northwest of Donetsk, along the entire stretch between Mar’inka and the northwestern outskirts of Horlivka, militants are using heavy armaments for virtually uninterrupted bouts of shelling.

    Over the course of the past 24 hours, militants in the vicinity of Donetsk Airport opened fire from the on-board armaments of tanks, APCs and IFVs, trying to engage Ukrainian troop advanced positions. The militants’ armored groups are operating under the cover fire of 120 mm mortars and ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft guns. In addition, enemy infantry groups were active in this area over the past 24 hours, attempting to find positions in the surrounding ruins and vegetation that would be best for firing at the positions of Ukrainian troops.

    Militants used 120 mm mortars and 122 mm artillery to fire on the ATO forces positions east of Opytne, on civilian objects near Avdiivka (Chapaeva and Lenina streets), and the eastern outskirts of Vodyane. Fire was conducted from positions in the vicinity of Mineralne and Spartak. The enemy’s sabotage and reconnaissance groups were also active in this area.

    Militants also opened intermittent “harassing” mortar fire on areas northeast of Avdiivka (Novobakhmutivka, Novoselivka, Vesele).

    The settlements of Novhorodske, Pisky, Leninske, and Lozove were shelled from 120 mm artillery.

    The ATO forces position in the vicinity of Luhanske were shelled from 120 mm mortars. Terrorists used the shelling to support their infantry groups operating in the greenery, who, in turn, were trying to suppress the ATO forces’ firepower on the front line. In addition, militants resumed using the “roving tanks” tactic during nighttime. The tanks, operating under the fire cover provided by 120 mm mortars and AGS-17 grenade launchers, are shelling the positions of Ukrainian troops with high-explosive shells, from firing positions prepared in advance.

    In the stretch between Berezove, Stepne, Taramchuk, and Novotroitske (an area of Dokuchajevsk), terrorists continue shelling with the use of 82 mm and 120 mm mortars. Occasionally, 122 mm D-30 howitzers are used, from firing positions behind Dokuchajevsk (2 batteries).

    Dense terrorist shellings with the use of small arms, 82 mm and AGS-17 grenade launchers were recorded in the following areas over the past 24 hours:

    – vicinity of Mar’inka;
    – Krasnohorivka – Lozove stretch;
    – vicinity of Luhanske;
    – Krymske – Sokilnyky stretch;
    – south and southwest of Svitlodarsk (area of Vuhlehirsk thermal power plant);
    – individual areas near Popasna, Zolote, Orikhove, and Novotoshkivka.

    Individual enemy snipers and sniper groups are recorded in the areas of Shyrokyne, Chermalyk, north of Hranitne, near Mar’inka, between Luhanske and Myronivske, near Krymske, Schastya, and Stanytsia Luhanska.

    The transfer of the forces and equipment of the terrorist “brigade” continues, from the Mospyne – Komsomolske line directly to the “front line.” The Volnovakha direction is receiving reinforcements: a “motorized infantry battalion” (part of the brigade), together with a tank company and anti-aircraft equipment has transferred to the Novobesheve – Starobesheve – Styla – Komunarivka area. Some of the forces (14 armored vehicles, including 6 tanks and 10 motor vehicles) were transferred south, through Telmanove, to reinforce terrorist tactical groups deployed near Novoazovsk and north of the town (opposite Chermalyk – Pavlopil).

    In Donetsk, militant armored vehicles and artillery are being concentrated in several “combat vehicle parks.” The group operating in the direction of Avdiivka is receiving reinforcements. We recorded transfer of two batteries of 122 mm D-30 howitzers. Two tank companies advanced east of Panteleimonivka, total strength of up to 20 tanks, plus several APCs and IFVs.

    A militant tank company (7 tanks), escorted by trucks carrying ammunition and suppliers (4 trucks) was transferred from Komsomolske in the direction of Starohnativka.

    Large deliveries of ammunition (122 mm rocket projectiles for BM-21 Grad MRLS) are moving in the direction of Frunze and Zholobok, transported along the Bakhmut motorway (11 trucks of ammunition over the past 24 hours).

    110-120 militants with small arms and mounted SPG-9 grenade launchers have been transferred to Stakhanov and Pervomaisk, moving through Alchevsk. The group includes three 120 mm mortars.
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    Militants concentrated considerable forces at front line: attacks recorded all around Horlivka . MAP http://en.censor.net.ua/n345027

    Russian military base near the border of Ukraine http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/23-july...der-of-ukraine … pic.twitter.com/kYmg5eoy7K via @Review_News_Net pic.twitter.com/rUBEL5cgjC

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    Maryinka 7:53AM
    Machine guns towards Sovkhoz (collective farm), not intensive https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...44571855024128 …

    ATO press center: From 2:45AM #Pisky was shelled for 1 hour from tank, and #Krasnohorivka by mortars starting from 4:30AM.

    128th brigade - 1KIA at #Stanytsia_Luhanska, shrapnel wounds. http://uanews.uz.ua/other/2015/07/23/43974.html … via @twitterapi

    Ruscist in #Donetsk shows off new kit received from Russia. https://twitter.com/tombreadley/stat...24800165445632 …

    @Guderian_Xaba " 90% of Azov's equipment, ammunition, food, clothes, vehicles and fuel are donated by Ukrainian citizens."

    Donetsk 3AM
    For 30mins powerful volleys fr "withdrawn" not less 120mm caliber, gone far. Like from Putilovka groves https://twitter.com/nixer79/status/624425687642959872 …

    @Guderian_Xaba "Most of the reporting that comes out of Ukraine, which is published by the mainstream Western media, is quite inaccurate."

    The Front Lines. #Shyrokyno, Azov. Article:
    http://www.wrath-bearingtree.com/dis...he-front-lines …

    Cossack checkpoints are back again in #Antratsyt http://antratsit.net/news/2113-v-ant...lok-posty.html …

    'We like partisan warfare.' Chechens fighting in Ukraine - on both sides | World news | The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-on-both-sides …

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    OSCE's Hug says their drones being jammed & their vehicles wrecked by "organized vandalism." What are seps hiding? https://twitter.com/Millermena/statu...13948955807746 …
    Donetsk @vladicvp I asked vata [=local Putin supporters] 'what over 30 #OSCE cars were vandalized for' and got answer 'Are they holy?'

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    Yesterday militants attacked positions of Ukrainian troops 78 times. As of 06:00 today, attacks continue - ATOhttps://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...54&__tn__=%2As …

    Newly appointed Head of #Luhansk reg/ admin Tuka: 2 vehicles w/ smuggled goods were stopped near delimitation line http://censor.net.ua/blogs/742/otchety_quotletuchekquot …

    Echelon of military Kamaz trucks near the border of Ukraine pic.twitter.com/ps4VP3ovPT http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/24-july...ear-the-border …

    Kuzminka: Self-contained Russian army tactical group with enough fuel bowsers for an offensive/long-distance pic.twitter.com/1DwZ8Z3Mji

    Kuzminka: Russian motor rifle (mechanised infantry) and tank tactical group with SPG/MLRS artillery support pic.twitter.com/sSkioWVwRn

    Russian Army base at Kuzminka (Vodino/Golovinka), Rostov region 6 July 2015 PHOTOS
    http://ru.tsn.ua/foto/otdyh-otpuskni...iy-456176.html …
    http://reviewnews.net/ukraine-1/3641...ranits-ukrainy …

    Ready to roll. Russian Army base at Kuzminka (Vodino/Golovinka), Rostov region (55km from Ukraine border) 6 July pic.twitter.com/rNqZ11gP1y

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    Putin is attempting to force the Ukrainians to deal directly with the Russian mercenaries which would then give them the "appearance of being legitimate" and then in the so call federalization that Putin envisions they would have seat in the RADA and being able to block anything that appears like the Ukraine is trying to do with NATO and or the EU--this is Putin's "Bosnian solution".

    The NYTs recently wrote an article on the so called "Putin Bosnian model" for the Donbass regions.

    Notice Russia in is press release says absolutely nothing on what they and her mercenaries should be doing to implement fully Minsk 2--not a single word is wasted--it is all about WHAT the Ukraine needs to do.

    Currently the discussion on the 30km buffer zone was also originally proposed by the Russian General in the Russian JCCC--again a Russian solution--it was proposed during the extremely heavy fighting near Mariupol as the Russians attempted to break through to Mariupol and when civilians were still in the town--none are there now.

    Secondly the supposedly "good faith pull back" is not so "good faith" as they only pulled back a total of 1.5km and still shell Ukrainian positions daily.

    NOTICE Putin is demanding a "pull back" much in the same tone he demanded when actual Russian troops were attacking Debaltseve.

    Troubling is when Holland Merkel and actually Obama are putting extreme pressure on the Ukraine to concede point after point to Putin unilaterally WITHOUT a single reciprocal move by Russian and or her mercenaries.

    There was to be a teleconference on Monday night between Nuland and here Russian back channel much announced by the Russians AND nothing was released from that teleconference--telling.

    NOW the Ukrainian High Command is attempting to keep their own troops when heavily shelled and or involved in ground attacks from returning artillery and mortar fire to protect themselves--THE key question WHO is applying pressure on them to do that WHEN every day there are over 80 major shelling and aground attacks being conducted against them.

    AND that so called 100mm weapons withdrawal--total lies by Russia and her mercenaries--the furthest they moved back was 3km not the demanded 30km.

    So has Obama, Nuland,Hollande and Merkel decided now is the time to unilaterally conceded the Ukraine to Russian in order to "save his face" and so "gratitude" for his assistance with Iran???????

    Appears so------

    http://www.unian.info/politics/11043...of-donbas.html

    Putin urges Kyiv to agree with militants on special status of Donbas

    24.07.2015 | 09:21

    Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that Kyiv should establish a direct dialogue and coordinate with the DPR and LPR terrorist organizations the legislative support of a special status of the militant-occupied territories and the amnesty law, as well as determine the modalities and the procedure for the local elections, according to the Kremlin’s press service.

    "The sustainable comprehensive settlement of the crisis is impossible without a direct dialogue between Kyiv and representatives of Donbas," Putin said during a telephone conversation with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande.

    The Russian president called on the Ukrainian side to strictly follow the letter and spirit of the Minsk agreements. In particular, Kyiv must agree with the DPR and LPR and enact a permanent legislative support of the special status of the regions and the amnesty law, as well as determine the modalities and the procedure for the local elections, the press service said.

    In addition, the Kremlin called "a goodwill gesture" the withdrawal of militants from the village of Shyrokyne and emphasized the need of the Ukrainian servicemen leaving the village.

    "In this regard, it is necessary to withdraw the Ukrainian armed forces from the village of Shyrokyne, as it was previously done by the militants as a gesture of goodwill," the press service of the Russian president said
    .
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Putin is attempting to force the Ukrainians to deal directly with the Russian mercenaries which would then give them the "appearance of being legitimate" and then in the so call federalization that Putin envisions they would have seat in the RADA and being able to block anything that appears like the Ukraine is trying to do with NATO and or the EU--this is Putin's "Bosnian solution".

    The NYTs recently wrote an article on the so called "Putin Bosnian model" for the Donbass regions.

    Notice Russia in is press release says absolutely nothing on what they and her mercenaries should be doing to implement fully Minsk 2--not a single word is wasted--it is all about WHAT the Ukraine needs to do.

    Currently the discussion on the 30km buffer zone was also originally proposed by the Russian General in the Russian JCCC--again a Russian solution--it was proposed during the extremely heavy fighting near Mariupol as the Russians attempted to break through to Mariupol and when civilians were still in the town--none are there now.

    Secondly the supposedly "good faith pull back" is not so "good faith" as they only pulled back a total of 1.5km and still shell Ukrainian positions daily.

    NOTICE Putin is demanding a "pull back" much in the same tone he demanded when actual Russian troops were attacking Debaltseve.

    Troubling is when Holland Merkel and actually Obama are putting extreme pressure on the Ukraine to concede point after point to Putin unilaterally WITHOUT a single reciprocal move by Russian and or her mercenaries.

    There was to be a teleconference on Monday night between Nuland and here Russian back channel much announced by the Russians AND nothing was released from that teleconference--telling.

    NOW the Ukrainian High Command is attempting to keep their own troops when heavily shelled and or involved in ground attacks from returning artillery and mortar fire to protect themselves--THE key question WHO is applying pressure on them to do that WHEN every day there are over 80 major shelling and aground attacks being conducted against them.

    AND that so called 100mm weapons withdrawal--total lies by Russia and her mercenaries--the furthest they moved back was 3km not the demanded 30km.

    So has Obama, Nuland,Hollande and Merkel decided now is the time to unilaterally conceded the Ukraine to Russian in order to "save his face" and so "gratitude" for his assistance with Iran???????

    Appears so------

    http://www.unian.info/politics/11043...of-donbas.html

    Putin urges Kyiv to agree with militants on special status of Donbas

    24.07.2015 | 09:21
    Hilarious
    #Putin demands fr. #Merkel,#Hollande that #Ukraine retreats from #Shyrokyne,while #OSCE conf., Rus have 11 MBT, 30 apc, 8 km east


    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Comprehensive settlement of #Ukraine’s crisis possible if Kiev establishes direct dialogue w/ Donbass representatives
    http://goo.gl/GmeERL

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Putin is attempting to force the Ukrainians to deal directly with the Russian mercenaries which would then give them the "appearance of being legitimate" and then in the so call federalization that Putin envisions they would have seat in the RADA and being able to block anything that appears like the Ukraine is trying to do with NATO and or the EU--this is Putin's "Bosnian solution".

    The NYTs recently wrote an article on the so called "Putin Bosnian model" for the Donbass regions.

    Notice Russia in is press release says absolutely nothing on what they and her mercenaries should be doing to implement fully Minsk 2--not a single word is wasted--it is all about WHAT the Ukraine needs to do.

    Currently the discussion on the 30km buffer zone was also originally proposed by the Russian General in the Russian JCCC--again a Russian solution--it was proposed during the extremely heavy fighting near Mariupol as the Russians attempted to break through to Mariupol and when civilians were still in the town--none are there now.

    Secondly the supposedly "good faith pull back" is not so "good faith" as they only pulled back a total of 1.5km and still shell Ukrainian positions daily.

    NOTICE Putin is demanding a "pull back" much in the same tone he demanded when actual Russian troops were attacking Debaltseve.

    Troubling is when Holland Merkel and actually Obama are putting extreme pressure on the Ukraine to concede point after point to Putin unilaterally WITHOUT a single reciprocal move by Russian and or her mercenaries.

    There was to be a teleconference on Monday night between Nuland and here Russian back channel much announced by the Russians AND nothing was released from that teleconference--telling.

    NOW the Ukrainian High Command is attempting to keep their own troops when heavily shelled and or involved in ground attacks from returning artillery and mortar fire to protect themselves--THE key question WHO is applying pressure on them to do that WHEN every day there are over 80 major shelling and aground attacks being conducted against them.

    AND that so called 100mm weapons withdrawal--total lies by Russia and her mercenaries--the furthest they moved back was 3km not the demanded 30km.

    So has Obama, Nuland,Hollande and Merkel decided now is the time to unilaterally conceded the Ukraine to Russian in order to "save his face" and so "gratitude" for his assistance with Iran???????

    Appears so------

    http://www.unian.info/politics/11043...of-donbas.html

    Putin urges Kyiv to agree with militants on special status of Donbas

    24.07.2015 | 09:21
    https://www.facebook.com/dmitry.tymc...84?pnref=story …
    Report
    Tymchuk says,there is a "witch-hunt" going on in the Ukr army,searching for Ukrainian soldiers who returned fire. Prohibited now.

    Tymchuk: The ATO command in "compliance w Minsk agreements", concluded in the strictest ban Ukrainian troops to open fire in response... .in the event of attacks (including fr heavy weapons) by the Russian forces & terrorist forces.

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    An odd comparison. Medvedev: Ukraine could end like Yugoslavia.https://twitter.com/ellie_knott/stat...76028644237312

    This is not an "odd comment"--during the run up to fully annexing Crimea there was a number of articles released by Russian propaganda about the Ukraine being not really be a nation state--but really composed of four or five different ethnic groups and these articles suggested that the Ukraine be broken up into the ethnic groups with Poland, Hungary, Romania, Russia and Georgia getting portions of the now Ukraine.

    Interesting that Hungarian intel agents recently got caught working in the region of ethnic Hungarians since the Hungarian government is pro Russian leaning.

    Interesting to see this pop up again as it tells me the eastern Ukraine is now "frozen" meaning it is "freezing" Russian in place not vice versa--Russia has to pay for everything and send in supplies and troops and heavy equipment at a cost of 30-40M USDs per day.

    Thus their shrill tones in trying to get the Ukrainians to deal directly with her mercenaries which the Ukraine refuses to do stating they are not the truly elected officials and will not deal with them until there are Ukrainian held elections as stated in Minsk 2.

    Putin desperately needs a "Bosnian solution" and the Ukraine sees right through it and is deflecting it nicely angering Putin to no end thus the shrillness lately and his demanding tone when he talks to Hollande, Merkel and Nuland about implementing Minsk 2.

    WHEN Russia has not implemented a single point in the agreement YET demands incessantly full compliance from the Ukraine AND it was Russia that invaded eastern Ukraine and annexed the Crimea NOT the Ukraine invading Russia.
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    http://uatoday.tv/politics/media-kre...ia-462125.html

    Jul. 24, 2015

    Media: Kremlin anxious of Ukrainian 'Maidans' across Russia
    Rapid response force established to monitor potential protests: Nezavisimaya Gazeta


    The Kremlin's fear about anti-government protests like Ukraine's EuroMaidan uprising have led Russian authorities to begin establishing a new rapid response force.

    The new unit will focus on quelling any discontent or uprising in society, not only through direct interception but also with direct contact with protest group organizers and working groups.

    According to a source in Russian publication ‘Nezavisimaya Gazeta' (Independent newspaper), the rapid response force was created due to the authorities growing anxiety that their current popularity may soon turn sour, as regional budgets are slashed in the wake of the Russian economic crisis.

    An analyst at the Moscow-based independent pollster ‘The Levada Centre' said: "In view of the economic downfall and declining living standards, people's discontent could manifest itself anywhere. Labor protests may erupt, caused by non-payment of wages, medical staff reduction, etc. They have the potential of getting politicized quickly, so the creation of monitoring bodies supported by security forces indicates that the authorities are preparing for this scenario in advance".
    Austerity Hurts: Putin just fired 110k employees of Russia's interior ministry http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/24/news...ffs/index.html

    Well there is still the eastern Ukraine employment available at 450 USDs per month and all the bullets you can fire.
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    Kuzminka: Some interesting "shapes" in the background - Wish we had better quality photos! pic.twitter.com/Gq3aTN39PA

    Same also visible in 2 other photos pic.twitter.com/Dlln5kUwJA

    Kuzminka: Battery of 2B26 Grad-K MLRS on KamAZ chassis (modernized version of BM-21 Grad) http://www.military-today.com/artillery/grad_k.htm … pic.twitter.com/jEk0RbRdJS

    15:27 #Horlivka, #Donetsk @vladicvp
    Quiet in all districts, distant rumbles only

    13:27 @vladicvp No water services in #Yuzhnokomunarivsk, Lisny, #Luhansk Kambrod, Kirovske, #Starobesheve

    ATO staff: Attacks decreasing, but not near Donetsk
    http://www.unian.info/politics/11045...r-donetsk.html … pic.twitter.com/SRXuzmNvn4

    1 #Ukrainian serviceman was killed in action in the last day, 3 were wounded in action - #ATO daily report

    #Fact
    #Russian-organised "protesters" first painted swastikas on @OSCE cars.
    Then made #Novorossiya flags out of them
    pic.twitter.com/Gi6O5y9J78

    Same with @ICRC cars.
    So f*ing revealing ... pic.twitter.com/zuP2q1sH2j
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    After 5months of daily RU attacks, they stopped right now, while there are non-stop attacks everywhere.

    Ukr Gen Staff said it will withdraw troops from Shyrokyno if RU attacks cease. And... they did!

    Translation: We will withdraw soon Ukr troops from #Shyrokyno, as Russia requested. No need for them to be there anymore.

    ATO spox: "In #Mariupol sector ceasefire holds. First time since Minsk II no violations".


    Got #Thermobaric? #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/H6nYdVKCa1

    Donetsk #rumours @666_mancer It is rumoured that one of these days lots of Russian hardware will be delivered.

    SBU detained two of the Lviv separatists from the organization "Galician hawk" http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/24-july...tists-from-the …

    Russian military equipment, Novocherkassk, Rostov region 18 July. via @GirkinGirkin pic.twitter.com/I9wZykbX17 Map https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Nov...c03d8f6214c8ca …

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    .@nytimes MUST READ article: how #Russia groups crowd-fund the war in #Ukraine w/ SM, propaganda like GWP http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/wo...aine.html?_r=0 …

    Meanwhile, GWP's @JustGiving fundraiser 4 crowdfunding the war in #Ukraine has been REMOVED
    https://www.justgiving.com/search?q=Donbass … pic.twitter.com/Ua6iv3uPku

    Russia still trying hard to get that missile defense system out of European as it could in fact target Russian missiles BT since they keep threatening the use of tactical nuclear weapons might as well leave it in place.

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Vladimir Chizhov: There is no need for a US missile defense system in Europe after #Irandeal was struck http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150724/1024988734.html …

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Ambassador to #EU Vladimir Chizhov: Results of #MH17 Crash Investigation Must Be Disclosed http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150724/1024990369.html …
    BUT not disclosed to an international tribunal where we will be the criminal in the court room.

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