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    Russian shellings and ground attacks continued throughout the day-the evening is going to one of a heck of an evening if the day is an example-----

    Even the OSCE is catching a shelling---

    SMM confirms mortar fire landed near 2 OSCE vehicles w/5 monitors today on S. side of bridge to Luhansk. SMM condemns shelling incident


    Mariinka, now, no changes, still occasional shooting.

    18:48 #Shyrokyne @sex_Dombas We are firing at a UAV

    Mariinka 18:50 active combat again, a few powerful landings, there weren't such as of today yet. https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...33549571440643 …

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    Reference recent Georgian illegal land annexation by Russia----

    Another Georgian man kidnapped out of his own garden on boundary with #SOssetia http://dfwatch.net/?p=37402 pic.twitter.com/4qvI9BrrXV

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russian shellings and ground attacks continued throughout the day-the evening is going to one of a heck of an evening if the day is an example-----

    Even the OSCE is catching a shelling---

    SMM confirms mortar fire landed near 2 OSCE vehicles w/5 monitors today on S. side of bridge to Luhansk. SMM condemns shelling incident


    Mariinka, now, no changes, still occasional shooting.

    18:48 #Shyrokyne @sex_Dombas We are firing at a UAV

    Mariinka 18:50 active combat again, a few powerful landings, there weren't such as of today yet. https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...33549571440643 …
    Hot spots again: Donetsk shells Mariinka, Gorlovka shoots at Dzerzhinsk. if previous days are a clue, it will heat up at night.

    19:24 #Avdeevka @bamr69 Again explosion at [#Donetsk explosives plant] DKZRKhI, it shaked us good, cigarette butt again?

    Dzerzhynsk 19:30
    It has become noisy https://twitter.com/blessmaster/stat...42351658078208 …

    Russian Spetsnaz back on their ground attacks---
    At 07:55 and 08:20-08:30 enemy subversive-intelligence group tried to break through UKR positions in Shchastya. Both attacks repelled - ATO


    Today (up to 18:00) militants 35 times attacked positions of Ukrainian troops - ATO press center
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...71&__tn__=%2As …

    Nova_Laspa, RUS position on a hemp field @JuMistress pic.twitter.com/0Ra3LHv3Ph

    BTR column near #Rostov https://instagram.com/p/5mTRVpplO7/ https://instagram.com/p/5mihFPSMPN/ pic.twitter.com/JF36WQGeaL

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    RUSSIA’S TOP 160 LIES ABOUT UKRAINE http://www.russialies.com/russias-to...about-ukraine/

    Astonishing.. 3-4 @JuliaDavisNews articles exposing #Russia propaganda in @examinercom were DELETED
    inc top140 lies:
    http://web.archive.org/web/201507170...-about-ukraine

    Has @examinercom succumbed to #Putin's pawns? #censorship
    The article is now on http://RussiaLies.com
    http://www.russialies.com/russias-to...about-ukraine/

    So does a US news media outlet work directly now for Putin-------

    Thought #Russia was done with concocting outlandish #MH17 theories? Think again! Same RIA printed news on the right. pic.twitter.com/tpRQjvVvLv
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    Russian PSNR-8M ground reconnaissance system in DNR - VIDEO
    http://translate.google.com.ua/trans...nr&prev=search …
    v @newsburko pic.twitter.com/qoyRFrS467

    got it, thanks. I'm interested in it as the guys using the radar are Spaniards

    I watched the video till the end. They compare with the Civil war in Spain. Madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Appears that the US/Obama is in fact throwing the Ukraine under the bus for Russian assistance in Iran and Syria---by making unilateral moves with no reciprocal demands on Russia.

    Basically a new Munch 1938 in the name of "legacy".

    http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_...b#.VbKl2OoVhMs

    Obama Administration Undercutting Ukraine’s Position in the Minsk Armistice Negotiations

    Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 12 Issue: 139

    July 24, 2015 02:00 PM

    By: Vladimir Socor
    So the question to be asked is --is Obama, Nuland and Biden actively working to support the Ukraine as they claim they are doing and or they actively supporting Putin who has stated a number of times he will use tactical nuclear weapons against NATO??

    It is a valid question.

    Over 40 vehicles of the OSCE/IRC were vandalized this week , their drone was jammed by Russian troops in clear violation of Minsk 2 this week AND today they were mortared and NOT by the Ukrainians-AND the Russians actively turned back this week a IRC 1000 ton humanitarian aid shipment all the while claiming a serious humanitarian problem in eastern Ukraine

    --Russia is definitely not wanting the OSCE to be actively monitor their occupied zones and the question is WHY????

    THEN today a active service Russian MAJ trucking a truck load of munitions with a mercenary are captured inside the Ukraine--AND Putin keeps stating there are no Russian troops in the Ukraine???

    Even Obama and Nuland fully understand that the OSCE mission that even Russia supported is to fully monitor events in eastern Ukraine.

    Russia is waging war on Ukraine, not “hampering monitoring”. Meanwhile, US harasses UKR to concede to Putin’s demands and self-destruct.

    ANDRIY BILETSKY'S RESPONSE TO THE DEMAND OF THE "NORMANDY FOUR" TO DEMILITARIZE #SHYROKYNE #Mariupol pic.twitter.com/3mggJGCnke

    Interesting that "legacy" rules over common sense as the current US foreign policy.
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    So the responses from Obama, Nuland and Biden who forced unilateral appeasement on the Ukraine in order to safe "Putin's face" is exactly what again????

    Intensive shellings and equally extensive/intensive ground attacks underway tonight on the eastern front.

    So Obama's words of "we will judge Putin's action and not his words" meant exactly what????

    Confirmation
    Three Russian infantry attacks on #Shchastya were repulsed by Ukrainian forces over the day. - ATO command


    Mariinka heavy combat. https://twitter.com/Maxi_Good/status/625371221258043392

    Maryinka 21:14
    Heavy battle
    https://twitter.com/Maxi_Good/status/625371221258043392

    21:18 #Donetsk @Don_Riccio Firing in #Trudovski direction, small arms and heavy [MG or artillery?]

    Donetsk 21:13
    Trudovsky ds - something powerful shooting https://twitter.com/Maxi_Good/status/625368292811767808

    Donetsk 21:10
    Glow and smoke visible from the #Starobeshevo road area https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...69626151530496

    Donetsk [Chemical plant direction?] @vitaliy00700 https://twitter.com/vitaliy00700/sta...73103187734528

    19:57 #Avdeevka @bamr69 Rumble, #Opytne-#Pisky. Large calibre automatic weapons, a couple of blasts

    19:56 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster They made some noise and calmed down soon.

    20:04 #Kramatorsk @sv_inaya What has just rumbled?

    21:05 #Avdeevka @avdey777ka [vk] About 10 projectiles hit #Orlovka

    Guess how many times was Donetsk shelled during past 24 hours? None. Zero. While the monkeys are firing everywhere they can.

    20:38 #Avdeevka @JuZolyshkaLia Shelling once and again, I lost count of volleys. Hisses.

    Avdiivka 20:31
    "Lots of salvos, lots. Shooting... scared!" https://twitter.com/JuZolyshkaLia/st...57707583848448

    20:35 #Avdeevka @tiamat007 Heavy [cannons] came into play, hiss of [projectiles] flying over heard

    20:30 #Avdeevka @rechnikato A strong volley, loud hiss, but no blast heard

    20:40 #Marinka whirr again 10 minutes. Mostly AGS. Has never been applied in such quantities @hyeva_maryinka

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    So the responses from Obama, Nuland and Biden who forced unilateral appeasement on the Ukraine in order to safe "Putin's face" is exactly what again????

    Intensive shellings and equally extensive/intensive ground attacks underway tonight on the eastern front.

    So Obama's words of "we will judge Putin's action and not his words" meant exactly what????

    Confirmation
    Three Russian infantry attacks on #Shchastya were repulsed by Ukrainian forces over the day. - ATO command


    Mariinka heavy combat. https://twitter.com/Maxi_Good/status/625371221258043392

    Maryinka 21:14
    Heavy battle
    https://twitter.com/Maxi_Good/status/625371221258043392

    21:18 #Donetsk @Don_Riccio Firing in #Trudovski direction, small arms and heavy [MG or artillery?]

    Donetsk 21:13
    Trudovsky ds - something powerful shooting https://twitter.com/Maxi_Good/status/625368292811767808

    Donetsk 21:10
    Glow and smoke visible from the #Starobeshevo road area https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...69626151530496

    Donetsk [Chemical plant direction?] @vitaliy00700 https://twitter.com/vitaliy00700/sta...73103187734528

    19:57 #Avdeevka @bamr69 Rumble, #Opytne-#Pisky. Large calibre automatic weapons, a couple of blasts

    19:56 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster They made some noise and calmed down soon.

    20:04 #Kramatorsk @sv_inaya What has just rumbled?

    21:05 #Avdeevka @avdey777ka [vk] About 10 projectiles hit #Orlovka

    Guess how many times was Donetsk shelled during past 24 hours? None. Zero. While the monkeys are firing everywhere they can.

    20:38 #Avdeevka @JuZolyshkaLia Shelling once and again, I lost count of volleys. Hisses.

    Avdiivka 20:31
    "Lots of salvos, lots. Shooting... scared!"
    https://twitter.com/JuZolyshkaLia/st...57707583848448

    20:35 #Avdeevka @tiamat007 Heavy [cannons] came into play, hiss of [projectiles] flying over heard

    20:30 #Avdeevka @rechnikato A strong volley, loud hiss, but no blast heard

    20:40 #Marinka whirr again 10 minutes. Mostly AGS. Has never been applied in such quantities @hyeva_maryinka
    Getting worse by the hour...............

    Avdeevka, coke plant area is hit. About 100 shells. Saw video. Reportedly 2 WIA civilians. https://twitter.com/rechnikato/statu...82699268763648
    http://youtu.be/TA3KAOLs9pw

    26/07/15 #Avdiivka,evening shooting http://youtu.be/TA3KAOLs9pw https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...83102261665792

    Avdiivka was massively shelled by RU after 20:40, hits in Chimic ds, near train station, steel plant, Orlovka, etc. http://timer-odessa.net/news/avdeevk...trelu_705.html

    Horlivka 22:20
    Thunders heavily to north.
    Nikotovka and Holma incoming from #Mayorsk
    https://twitter.com/Julia_Twinkle/st...82789605683200

    21:33-21-35 #Donetsk Petrovka, #Maryinka @Maxi_Good Calmed down a bit

    Avdiivka 21:49
    Volleys started again, the fall barely audible or not audible. https://twitter.com/JuZolyshkaLia/st...77351057190912

    Krasnohorivka 21:30
    Disturbing sounds can be heard from towards #Maryinka https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...76382005157888

    Maryinka 21:20
    Battle shifted from boarding school to Sovkhoz area. Sparlkes, volleys, tracers across the sky
    . https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...75806194384897

    Something's on fire in #Donetsk. https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...72822760636416
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    Serious fighting is ongoing both via Russian shellings and Russian ground attacks.

    AND where is exactly now those that assumed one can do "appeasement" with Putin--this was the answer----for all to see.


    Obama--"we will judge Putin's actions not his words--well we have the actions and the US response is again what --silence.


    4 UKR WIA, 2 RU KIA fighting near #Schastya reports gov #Lugansk George Tuka FB page https://www.facebook.com/george.tuka...99866930127712 … pic.twitter.com/n5D1wcfjHC

    Luhansk 22:50
    10 minutes ago ruscists began shelling #Stanytsia_Luhanska https://twitter.com/LUGANSK_TODAY/st...92860188274689 …

    Yelenovka watching missiles launching from Petrovka district, three pieces.
    #Donetsk 22:16 https://twitter.com/nektonh/status/625384309562712064 …
    Rockets (MLRS), not missiles.

    Maryinka 22:00
    Situation unchanged, battle continues.

    Mariinka as of 22:45 - no let up at all. Machineguns non-stop and occasional AGLs. https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...93708423348224 …

    22:58
    Already since several hours rumble at #Maryinka https://twitter.com/pinokioner/statu...95341240717313 …

    Avdiivka 22:35
    "115 shells fell"
    https://twitter.com/avdey777ka/statu...89060392099842 …

    Horlivka 22:45
    Blue glow in district 6/7 area https://twitter.com/tetznka/status/625391501753872384 …

    22:00 #Donetsk @donetsk_paradis About 1hr ago 3 tanks moved fr/#Starobesheve tow/Budennovsky

    Avdeevka railway station is heavily damaged, lots of hits. https://twitter.com/avdey777ka/statu...86931447332864 …

    VIDEO: Shelling of Avdiivka tonight
    (Via @666_mancer)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tfAd48...ature=youtu.be … pic.twitter.com/JquKnJbxP9

    4 soldiers wounded as result of russian shelling at #Shchastya. https://twitter.com/Dbnmjr/status/625389116226727937 …

    Core problem with the UA—their senior commanders are a lost lot---too much of the old Soviet system in them ---
    Sector M commander: "Водяное, не наша территория" = "Vodyane, not our territory". Who's territory is? It's in Ukraine
    http://inforesist.org/komanduyushhij...lya/?_utl_t=tw …

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    Military command denies withdrawal of #azov and Aidar battalions from east #Ukraine conflict zone

    SR-3M Vikhr, ORSIS T-5000, VSSK Vychlop, 9A-91... nice choice of Russian SOF/Recce weapons in #Ukraine via @Dbnmjr pic.twitter.com/Q86HH3z49B

    Massive Russian army concentration in Luhansk oblast. Mostly 2S1 and Ural pic.twitter.com/SDylo4Lytn http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/26-july...luhansk-oblast …

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    Latest Russian myth for the shot down of MH17---they have come full circle with their myths.

    New RU #MH17 theory: Ukrainian BUK shot at Ukrainian SU-25 by mistake. Now they've officially run out of permutations http://ren.tv/novosti/2015-07-26/smi...yziyskiy-boing …

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    It is just not Russia who uses attack servers located in the US-----

    hackingteam the vietnamese attack infrastructure is in the US and in Germany (second server) - enough legal questions

    hackingteam consider all the hackingteam tools - known or not yet attributed - to be 'common knowledge' - downloads
    pic.twitter.com/o64SnsuDZ0

    hackingteam the malware msndxhd1.6tb1.livebin is nearly unknown in virustotal pic.twitter.com/2iZ9nDx3AN
    hackingteam these are the Russian spyfiles in 2012 according to the article pic.twitter.com/K8ZVBa9NA8

    [VIDEO] #Ukraine #documentary: defending the Ukraine from #CyberAttack.
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    What to say it--fully agree with social media tonight --the war is in full gear as of this evening---Russian troops and her mercenaries have been gradually raising the levels of violence to lull the West into thinking it is not an offense but now it is hard to hide.

    AND the responses from Obama, Nuland, Kerry, Hollande and Merkel----silence.

    Donetsk 23:17
    Towards Trudovsky-#Maryinka very hot. The war is in full swing.
    https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...00687510339584

    23:25 #Horlivka @adochek Volleys. Lots of. Loud, but further than yesterday.

    Heavy battle in Mariinka http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/26-july...le-in-mariinka

    23:20
    In Kurakhovo volleys heard https://twitter.com/DmitriyKatsapov/...00220826894337..

    23:35 #Avdeevka @666_mancer [vk] "Impacts on the coking plant" "Started to shell again" "alert siren at the plant"

    German media is now reporting extremely heavy shelling tonight as well with videos.

    +EIL+
    Vororte von #Donezk liegen unter schwerem russischen Artilleriefeuer.
    Marinka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfAd48Nmc6s
    Avdiivka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfAd48Nmc6s
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    Reference the captured Russian MAJ at the Ukrainian checkpoint.

    News
    Ukr. volunteer with the army Катерина Яресько posts all personal information on #RussianArmy POW on Facebook. pic.twitter.com/0eQUAvxBws

    He was caught almost 1.500 km from his hometown #Zuyevka in central #Russia, has a wife and child.
    Blame #PutinAtWar! pic.twitter.com/WzzYZc66AK

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    Wonder what Obama, Nuland, Kerry, Hollande, Merkel have to say about their decision to conduct and force the Ukraine into a unilateral appeasement move that in fact seems to have endangered the Ukraine more than it helps--just exactly why does this group of western leaders insist in "saving Putin's face"???

    It just cannot be about "business as usual" do they really understand Putin and his imperialistic expansion drive.

    Even the OSCE was shelled by Russian troops and her mercenaries --AND the response to this attack by the West is again what--silence????

    The ATO presser reported a record number of russian attacks from 12AM-6AM. The enemy used the entire range of heavy arms they have.

    Escalating situation: 86 attacks on #Ukraine positions yesterday, 50 of them from 6 to midnight. Multiple GRAD attacks - ATO statement


    "They will put the marines only the post 14a".
    Do you know where is post 14a near Shyrokyno?

    Despite #Ukraine General Staff denies, soldiers say the got order and now withdraw 15km from #Shyrokyne. via @Guderian_Xaba

    Heavy shelling overnight in eastern #Ukraine. Reports of all kind of weapons used including several loads of MLRS GRAD.

    Same at Optyne, Pisky Vodyane, Hranitne, Starohnativka. Russian tanks shelled also Krasnohorivka.
    What a lovely #ceasefire.

    Stanitsya Luhanska, Mayorsk, Shchastya, Pershotravneve, Mykolaivka hit from 152- and 122-mm artillery, 120mm mortars.

    Optyne was shelled by russian tanks, 120-mm mortars & MLRS BM-21 "Grad". #Vodyane was also hit by GRADs fr #Donetsk-Spartak.

    Svitlodarsk was shelled around 1AM with 152-mm artillery. From Vesele Hory they hit #Shchastya with tanks.


    Truck full of ammo driven by Russian major might be one time that Russian soldier really did get lost in Ukraine pic.twitter.com/t2y0akcMMb

    Svitlodarsk
    Vuhlehirska power station hit, to "zero".
    Sounds like totally destroyed? https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...26000500215809

    OSCE ✔ @OSCE
    Spot report: Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM) patrol is caught in fire in Shchastia but comes out unharmed http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/174491


    Staromikhailivka 5:39AM
    Incoming, on Marchenko str https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...16918351527936

    #Krasnohorivka 7AM
    Kalinina str - homes hit, nobody injured, only damage to houses https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...16118946529280

    Avdiivka 6:04AM
    You could hear the hum of machinery, must be tank.
    Incoming @ #Optyne, Spartak. Hear only the fall https://twitter.com/JuZolyshkaLia/st...02070657970176

    #Donetsk 5:08AM
    Again a volley of MRLS GRADs from Mineralne-#Yasynuvata, full load of 40 rockets. Like tow #Maryinka https://twitter.com/nixer79/status/625488499089739776

    Donetsk 5:03AM
    Hear explosions vaguely, feel the vibrations and all is shaking.
    Good morning. https://twitter.com/idinmor/status/625486730393722880

    Krasnohorivka
    As scheduled, at 4:30 they have started to pound Ukr Army positions and homes with something heavy https://twitter.com/arthurnkua/statu...83203957137408

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    Appears that the US attempt at an unilateral appeasement move forced on the Ukrainians did not "appease Putin"

    Highest number of Minsk accords violations recorded yesterday, - ATO press center http://24today.net/open/483464

    "Attack is the secret of defence; defence is the planning of an attack." -- General Sun Tzu (ca. 500BC)

    Ukraine faces two choices: wait to be attacked (again & again) OR destroy every Russian (hybrid) forces object/group between FL and border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Appears that the US attempt at an unilateral appeasement move forced on the Ukrainians did not "appease Putin"

    Highest number of Minsk accords violations recorded yesterday, - ATO press center http://24today.net/open/483464

    "Attack is the secret of defence; defence is the planning of an attack." -- General Sun Tzu (ca. 500BC)

    Ukraine faces two choices: wait to be attacked (again & again) OR destroy every Russian (hybrid) forces object/group between FL and border.
    Near Kryakivka (Novoaidarsk distr, #Luhansk rg) Ukr recon unit repelled RU group, they throw away equipm to run away https://twitter.com/LUGANSK_TODAY/st...40844255363072

    Putin's War in #Ukraine: Ukrainian soldiers under attack near Luhansk (Exclusive Video) http://uatoday.tv/politics/putin-rsq...eo-463395.html

    Russian Army snipers in DNR Somali gang, detailed investigation https://twitter.com/newsburko/status/625559086017433600

    Yesterday 4 Ukrainian soldiers were wounded near Shchastya and 1 wounded (from mine) near Orikhove
    https://m.facebook.com/odalug/posts/452704841578488

    Tymchuk: Russian forces completed formation of 3 tactical groups (artillery) in Krasnoarmiisk, Telmanove & Bezimenne

    Tymchuk: + 2 tactical groups (tanks) Mospyne to Komsomolske + 1 motor rifle battalion (infantry & tank) unit near Novoazovsk-Maksimov.


    Dokuchajevsk 10:27AM
    The shelling from Sovkhoz (state farm) in Nikolaevka continues. https://twitter.com/whicard5/status/625568142727741440

    ATO press center reports unseen number of militant attacks after midnight: purposefully shelled residential areas of Opytne, Vodyane w Grad

    Russians are now shelling Ukrainian villages and towns that have no Ukrainian military around them or near them.


    Ukraine's 28th Brigade say militants intensified attacks on their positions yesterday.
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...92&__tn__=%2As … pic.twitter.com/HqbNWLwkQD

    Patriarch Kirill: 400 year old religious schism is the cause of war in 'the historic heart of Rus' -meaning Ukraine. http://obozrevatel.com/abroad/82617-...a-donbasse.htm

    Photo album (added 26 Jul) of Russian forces at training area in Luhansk region, Ukraine https://vk.com/dnrarmy?z=album-47011808_218675826 … pic.twitter.com/55ireSdhN3

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    This is a great article on a specific event that occurred just after the annexation of the Crimea and the early events in eastern Ukraine--AND it depicts just how a really well known and respected US based think tank in Russia became a mouth piece for Russian propaganda and agitprop.

    AND it explains why I early one simply do not read anything they have produced lately as it is Russian propaganda pure and simple.

    Actually a shame as they were once renowned for their assessments of Russia.


    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...source=twitter

    How a U.S. Think Tank Fell for Putin
    07.27.151:16 AM ET

    The Carnegie Moscow Center used to be a hub of Russian liberalism. Now it stands accused of being a ‘trojan horse’ for Russian influence.

    Last June, three months after Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula and just weeks before Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine shot down a civilian airliner, killing nearly 300 people, a small group of Americans and Russians gathered on the Finnish island of Boisto. Policy analysts and former government officials, they had come to discuss the fate of the post-Soviet country whose democratic revolution had helped sink U.S.-Russian relations to their lowest point in three decades.

    The symbolism of the location could not have been lost on the meeting’s participants. Sharing an 800-mile long border with Russia, Finland has delicately managed relations with its neighbor. During the Cold War, it adopted a policy of formal neutrality, accepted Soviet interference in its domestic politics, and imposed rigorous self-censorship to avoid provoking Moscow. This phenomenon of voluntarily choosing limited sovereignty to appease a large and aggressive neighbor earned the moniker “Finlandization,” and the Soviet Union held up Finland as an example of its ability to live in peace and friendship with its neighbors. At the time of the Boisto meeting last summer, foreign policy luminaries like Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and David Ignatius were trumpeting “Finlandization” as a model for Ukraine to follow.

    But what was most notable about the Boisto meeting—which eventually produced a 24-point plan to resolve the crisis—was what it lacked: Ukrainians. Large powers discussing the fates of smaller ones while simultaneously locking them out of the room has an understandably ugly resonance in Central and Eastern Europe. By excluding Ukrainians, the Boisto initiative signatories lent credence—wittingly or not—to the Russian view that Ukraine is not a real country and that outside forces can determine its fate. As for the Boisto proposals themselves, most were amenable to the Kremlin line.

    For instance, in calling for both sides to withdraw forces from certain conflict areas in eastern Ukraine, the signatories treated aggressor and victim as moral equals, likening Russian removal of its soldiers with Ukraine’s withdrawing troops from its own, sovereign land. (Full disclosure: I signed an open letter at the time rejecting the Boisto initiative alongside dozens of other foreign policy analysts, including, most important, Ukrainians.)

    Boisto was an example of what’s known in diplomatic parlance as a “Track II” negotiation: when parties close to, but not officially representing, national governments engage in discussions about topics of mutual concern. While America and its European partners ignored Boisto, the Russian Foreign Ministry seized on it. “On our behalf, we welcome intentions of the public and academic societies to contribute into the resolution of the situation in the Southeast of Ukraine and to put an end as soon as possible to bloodshed encouraged by Kiev authorities’ forceful measures,” read a Ministry statement. Happy to promote anything that flatters its self-image as a great power and goes over the heads of Ukrainians, Moscow evidently saw promotion of the Boisto proposal as in its interests.

    The Boisto Group’s meeting was sponsored by three entities: the Finnish Foreign Ministry, the Institute for World Economy and International Relations (a think tank affiliated with the Russian Academy of Sciences), and the Carnegie Corporation of New York, one of the largest funders of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, which describes itself as “the oldest international affairs think tank in the United States.” Boisto’s first three signatories were Tom Graham, a former associate at the Carnegie Endowment, and a managing director at Kissinger Associates; Andrew Weiss, the Carnegie Endowment’s vice president for studies who also serves as a senior adviser at the Albright Stonebridge Group, and Deana Arsenian, vice president of the international program and director of the Russia program at the Carnegie Corporation. On the Russian side, the delegation included, among others, Alexei Arbatov, a scholar-in-residence at the Carnegie Moscow Center, and Vyacheslav Trubnikov, a former head of the country’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR).

    Policy analysts who simultaneously work for major consulting shops founded by former secretaries of state (Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright, respectively), Graham and Weiss—who also served as co-chairs of the Boisto initiative—are influential players in the transatlantic conversation about Russia, although it’s unclear where their analytical work stops and their business interests begin. Graham’s bio at Yale’s Jackson Institute for Global Affairs, where he is a senior fellow, states that he “focuses on Russian and Eurasian affairs” for Kissinger Associates. (Graham did not reply to an email asking him to discuss the nature of his work.) Weiss’s bio at Albright Stonebridge states that he “assists clients with issues related to Russia and the countries of the former Soviet Union.” In an email, he told The Daily Beast, “My role at Albright Stonebridge Group is focused on helping Western companies and philanthropic foundations understand Russian political and economic realities,” and that, “[t]he Carnegie Endowment has strict conflict of interest policies about outside consulting, which I fully abide by.” Weiss did not elaborate on whether such policies prevent him from advising businesses trying to navigate around sanctions imposed on Russia for its behavior in Ukraine, telling me that he “can’t discuss client-specific work at Albright Stonebridge Group.”

    “I don’t want to be holier than thou,” a Russia analyst at a prominent Washington think tank said when asked about Graham and Weiss’s work as business consultants while also dispensing ostensibly objective analysis. “It seems to be a direct conflict of interest. I actually think American business money is potentially more difficult to manage than Russian money, in all honesty, because I think the American corporate interests are engaging because they have an agenda with Russia and they’re much more savvy about how to exercise their influence.”

    Arsenian, in her capacity as head of the Carnegie Corporation’s Russia program, has undertaken a project called “Rebuilding U.S.—Russia Relations,”, a website featuring brief articles by scholars, the vast majority of which argue for a diplomatic dιtente with the Kremlin, oppose arming Ukraine, or discourage Western sanctions against Russia. Under their tutelage, Carnegie has attempted to steer the debate over the Western response to Russia in a direction more aligned with Kremlin interests. Carnegie’s role as a convener and promoter of the Boisto plan is but one element of a dramatic shift in its agenda from an institution that once hosted some of the Kremlin’s sharpest critics to a place now urging Western appeasement of an ever more aggressive Russia.

    Earlier this year, the Carnegie Corporation initiated a forum called “Rebuilding U.S.—Russia Relations,” overseen by Deana Arsenian. The vast majority of the pieces commissioned by the forum promotes the view that Russia—despite its riptide of anti-American disinformation and conspiracy theories that place the State Department and CIA at the center of every major geopolitical development—is a sometimes difficult friend to the United States.

    In April 2014, posting on the corporation’s website in preface to an article in the Financial Times by Thomas Graham under the headline “Punishing an aggressive Russia is a fool’s errand,” Arsenian wrote: “The actions and the rhetoric of all involved are progressing along a dangerous path with potential negative ramifications for global peace and security.” Such a pox-on-both-your-houses moral equivalency, it’s true, is a common refrain heard among many policy intellectuals in the West who view the European Union, NATO, or U.S. policymakers as equally responsible as the Kremlin for the mess in Ukraine. But Arsenian went a step farther in justifying a policy of non-punishment for Moscow, arguing that “[f]actual information is hard [to] obtain” about events in Ukraine.

    Is it, really, though? A welter of independent reporting and research conducted by nongovernmental organizations had solidly concluded quite a lot about the sequence of events concerning the Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea (an Anschluss that Putin himself acknowledged after having lied about it).

    Despite all these easily verifiable acts of aggression, leading Carnegie figures persist in advising against any critical Western response. Though Weiss told me that his side gig consulting with Albright Stonebridge “is focused on helping Western companies and philanthropic foundations understand Russian political and economic realities,” he insisted, “I have never advocated nor do I support the lifting (or weakening) of sanctions imposed on Russia as a result of its aggression against Ukraine.” His public statements, however, paint a more complicated picture.

    Continued...........

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    The official newspaper of group "DNR" "Donetsk Republic" has reduced the circulation. There is no money. http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/27-july...netsk-republic …

    Night attack on Avdiivka coke plant pic.twitter.com/z3FDamDIqC http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/27-july...vka-coke-plant …

    Russian soldiers run away leaving ammo on a battlefield. Reported by #ATO Press Center. Read http://lugansk-news.com/russian-sold...ugansk-region/ … pic.twitter.com/n02YsYFXie

    SBU source: about 200 Ukrainians held captive by Russian proxies. About 60 of them are civilians
    http://www.unian.info/politics/11052...n-proxies.html …

    Reports: Kremlin ordered not to issue #Russia|n citizenship to #DPR leaders + Rus soldiers dig deep trenches in #Rostov at #Ukraine border.

    Irony. Russian soldiers photographed thru Russian army rangefinder at firing range in occupied Luhansk reg, Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/AD2uwTLUbc
    Source (photo uploaded 26 July) https://vk.com/dnrarmy?z=photo-47011...1808_218675826 …

    Map. Situation in eastern #Ukraine, July 27, 00:00 EET pic.twitter.com/NFPaJv0JEn

    Attempt to disguise identities of Russian army instructors. Training ground, Luhansk, Ukraine https://vk.com/dnrarmy?z=photo-47011...1808_218675826 … pic.twitter.com/Kj4qkw2kCP

    footage from Krasnogorivka, morning shooting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K7wWqSQcQg …

    Russian withdrawal, or advance? Russian (hybrid) forces unit (Cmdr Pavel Dremov) Luhansk reg, (26) July pic.twitter.com/VO2aZaN7jx

    DNR's mobile mortar in #Staromykhailivka https://twitter.com/Keleberda/status/625598965925416960 …

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    The 28th Brigade of the Ukrainian army is under mortar, RPG and BMP shelling in #Krasnohorivka since the morning.

    Escalation of situation in east of Ukraine | Ministry of Defence of Ukraine 27 Jul http://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2015/0...st-of-ukraine/

    BreakingNews
    Heavy Russian artillery shelling killed another female civilian in #Avdeevka last night.
    Severe damage to infrastructure.

    Russia|n propaganda account claims that '#Novorossiya'n' forces destroyed #Ukraine tank..actually it's from 2014: pic.twitter.com/b59DaN78MO
    you can find it in November 2014 here: http://vk.com/wall-76627576

    Tired of shooting at each other, Ukraine's rebels & national troops take a time-out to fire at monitors & tourists. https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/07/27...ire-in-ukraine

    Ukraine denies that its border guards fired at Russian tourists taking selfies at a checkpoint. "No bullets fired." https://slon.ru/posts/54490

    Not sure he exactly knows the reality on the ground—if the buffer zone is 30km wide then that is 15km each side of the acknowledged front line set in stone by Minsk 2 which places the buffer zone in the middle of the town.

    Poroshenko says #Mariupol not part of buffer zone along contact line
    http://24today.net/open/483695

    Killed Russian Spetsnaz in the Ukraine----
    Three Soldiers of the 16th Spetsnaz Brigade Killed in Ukraine in May were Identified: https://en.informnapalm.org/three-sp...re-identified/ … @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/cSLRgE18kt

    How strange is this----
    Russian forces increase UAV recon flights, increase probing attacks on Ukrainian positions. And we get new uniforms!! pic.twitter.com/C3Cq5c4fCo
    We need ATMs not uniforms----
    Major added: "At least we have a nice new dress uniform to be buried in." (BTW, he knows what he talks about: he kills RU tanks

    23.07.15 #Donetsk oblast #Horlivka
    Terrorists' positions near Leninske
    https://youtu.be/HGJU4Rm4tvU
    http://img.ly/CheB pic.twitter.com/XTBXxyMkwV

    27.04.15 #Donetsk oblast S of #Avdiivka
    "Vostok" terrorists' positions
    https://youtu.be/27PJp4Z_xU4
    http://img.ly/Ci8b pic.twitter.com/IjdAci3q67

    Krasnogorovka - Militant says "We are shelling the Ukrs"
    v @hyeva_maryinka pic.twitter.com/2E9ESgMqQ8

    This increase in Russian forces UAV flights is notable (and UAVs are not always spotted) https://twitter.com/uacrisis/status/625600878024781824

    In last day, militants attacked Mariinka checkpoint with IFVs & small arms. 16 enemy drones recorded - Border guards
    http://dpsu.gov.ua/ua/about/news/news_7997.htm

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