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    Russian propaganda video says Ukrainians shot Donetsk with tank like this. But the tracers show different
    @AbraxasSpa pic.twitter.com/tALzAx9ITn

    In Donetsk direction yesterday, militants more than 40 times attacked UKR positions & civilian areas - Sector B spox
    http://112.ua/ato/na-doneckom-naprav...in-250178.html

    Two soldiers of the 92nd Brigade were wounded last night during militant shelling of Shchastya - Luhansk RSA
    https://m.facebook.com/odalug/posts/455880854594220

    14 russian attacks along the contact line in Luhansk region, 2 wounded Ukr soldiers taken to #Shchastya hospital. https://twitter.com/ATOspeaker/statu...79131511603200

    Russia and Putin are appearing to have “lost the plot” as time goes by------

    In which Russian officials accuse a jewish billionaire of using British historians to spread Nazi propaganda. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...fb_ref=Default

    Dzerzhynsk
    Yuzhnaya mine burned all night
    Some shooting from, others at it. Both sides to blame fr city destruction https://twitter.com/dimetros7776/sta...77008984072192

    Maryinka 9AM
    "Finally quiet in the region. In the city is also calm."

    08:20 #Donetsk @PVB40 [fb] Some rally near Park Inn hotel, where #OSCE observers dwell

    Krasnohorivka 9:01AM
    Shooting on the east side of the city https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...72041611087872

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    Heads up Obama, Kerry, Nuland, Hollande and Merkel—this is the exact area of the “so called sign of good faith” unilateral appeasement move you demanded of the Ukraine.

    NOTICE that “sign” appears to have not applied to the Russians—typical Russian Orwellian doublespeak—“you must show a sign of good faith—BUT it does not apply to me”.

    Tymchuk: Two enemy mil equipm bases near #Mariupol: At #Sakhanka 23-25 pcs of equipm, 8 tanks; at #Bezimenne 30 pcs of equipm, 11-12 tanks.

    Ukraine has pulled all tanks and heavy weapons out of the DMZ area and that was verified by OSCE AND the Russians???

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    Russian left hand not knowing what Putin’s right hand is doing…….

    Medvedev has asked Putin to consider counter-sanctions vs more countries, including Norway, but Norway has been on the list since Aug '14?!

    He must be trying to score points with the Russian population after Putin signed the destroy the illegally imported sanctioned food at the border and document it—WHICH evidently most Russians were against when they were polled about it.

    BTW--when Russian sanctioned and restricted Polish apples from the Russian market they assumed they would be hurting the Polish economy--Poland increased sales of apples and other agricultural products by over 8% since the sanctions went into effect --what a misfire of Russian sanctions.

    pic.twitter.com/WZIqGKudpX

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    Gerasimov - founder of Russian hybrid war doctrinehttp://aillarionov.livejournal.com/704238.html (РУС)
    https://inmoscowsshadows.wordpress.c...on-linear-war/

    (ENG) https://twitter.com/GorseFires/statu...55480816660483

    Maxim Tucker @MaxRTucker
    Scarily prescient 2008 opinion piece on #Putin's Russia going after #Ukraine...
    https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/s...67488446656512

    Over 2,800 Ukrainians released from militant captivity, 183 prisoners remain – Advisor to SBU Chief
    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/282303.html

    Putin plays de-escalation spectacle, while no real end of war anticipated - Butusov
    https://m.facebook.com/butusov.yuriy...35?pnref=story

    Experts predict impending currency deficit in Russia
    http://www.unian.info/economics/1108...in-russia.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia's Artic claim could expand its territory by 1.2 mn sqkm & give the country ~600 additional oil fields. http://barentsobserver.com/en/arctic...rth-pole-04-08
    Appears both Obama and his entire 400 plus NSC completely missed the Russian move to militarize virtually the entire Artic--or does anyone have an explanation for their utter silence on this????

    US Admiral: Russia militarizing Arctic, making it "locked area"http://www.unian.info/world/1108633-...cked-area.html … pic.twitter.com/Xa8o1lozvk

    Obama should remember that the UN Commission on the Artic rejected a smaller claim by Russia in 2001 BUT this time Russia sent in troops, naval units, AF and built bases virtually annexing their claim AND then informed the UN--AND Obama's and his NSC's response---ZERO.
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    In August 2015, #Ukraine lost 14 of it's soldiers, 57 wounded. And we are only on day 6 of this month.

    5 Ukrainian Soldiers Killed, 6 Wounded, With Heavy Fighting Around Schastye, Gorlovka And Donetsk.


    Near the village of Karlovka soldiers of the 74th Reconnaissance Battalion have stepped on a landmine. Three soldiers were killed.

    In Mariupol sector, only one incident of enemy assault registered. Our positions near Hranitne shelled with mortars – #ATO Spokesperson

    The 15th Brigade Contract Soldier Is Noticed in Krasnodon: https://en.informnapalm.org/the-15th...-in-krasnodon/ … pic.twitter.com/ksAp4KG8SC

    Col. Motuzyanyk: 3 more UAVs were detected over the Crimea and on the RU-UA border in the north of UA http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-augus...-were-detected

    Col. Motuzyanyk: 13 flights of enemy UAVs were recorded within the military operation area.

    Another Russian Spetsnaz attack pushed back by the UA—
    Col. Motuzyanyk: Attempt of hostile sabotage-reconnaissance groups to take over UA positions near Maryinka was recorded. Attempt failed

    ATO spox: 24/7 fighting in the western suburbs of Donetsk - residential areas of Avdiivka were under heavy shelling pic.twitter.com/s4QRDBvLv2

    ATO spokesperson: To the north and west of Horlivka situation remains difficult – the worst is along the railroad Donetsk – Horlivka.

    Col. Motuzyanyk: Donetsk sector: Few episodes with guns and grenade launchers against UA positions were recorded in Luhanske and Lozove.

    ATO spox: 2-hour-long shelling of UA positions occurred near Zolote. Militants used artillery and ATGM against UA positions near Troitske.

    ATO spox: Hostile armed provocation from the right high bank of the Siversky Donets river took place against UA Army near Stanytsia Luhanska

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    Alexander Hug: There was an intensification in fighting in other areas, especially in and around #Horlivka.

    It must be stressed that most of the violence we witnessed occurred in residential areas. Most of the victims were civilians –long as both sides continue to maintain firing positions in residential areas, this is set to continue.

    Shyrokyne remained largely calm, SMM noted a limited number of civilians–included mayor– in the village this week– SMM Deputy Chief Monitor

    OSCE_SMM continued to observe ceasefire violations, including by tanks & smaller caliber weapons

    And 7 years ago, on 6th August 2008 Russia began provocations in South Osetia,shelling Georgian villages with mortars pic.twitter.com/ninzjU11ZA

    Russia annexed Crimea with same script as USSR annexed Estonia https://twitter.com/AndriiOlefirov/s...27626335457280 … pic.twitter.com/8jjOEpJNZz

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    Latitude 67N SIGINT @uascan
    RUAF VHF comms consistent with SU24 attack aircraft on marine mission in Baltic Sea

    Russian militants firing range near Karlo-Marksove pic.twitter.com/OEnkA4L7Ny http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-augus...-karlomarksove

    Krasnogorovka - small arms battle at the east http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-augus...le-at-the-east

    Russian Spetsnaz still on the hunt for weak points in the UA defense lines—constantly being turned back by a very alert UA looking almost for these attacks to be coming their way as they seem to be a half step ahead of Spetsnaz in anticipating exactly where they will attack next---

    In the areas of Troitske and Chermalyk at least 3 small infantry groups tried to breakthrough Ukrainian positions

    LUGANSK_TODAY UPDATE! part of the video was geolocated, taken near #Donetsk. Read at http://lugansk-news.com/eleron-3sv-2...sk-terrorists/ … pic.twitter.com/H5zwSH2fZo

    Russia calls Crimea its territory in December 2013
    http://www.unian.info/politics/11087...mber-2013.html … pic.twitter.com/5vPlZWuHXl
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    http://maidantranslations.com/2015/0...freesavchenko/

    Dmitry Tymchuk: Military update 8.05

    Posted on August 6, 2015 by chervonaruta

    Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Operational data from Information Resistance:

    Russian-terrorist troops (RTT) in Donbas continue to carry out active shellings of the advanced positions, command posts, and bases of Ukrainian troops and civilian objects by using artillery (122 mm and 152 mm), 120 mm mortars, and armored vehicles.

    Most of the terrorist attacks and armed provocations were recorded in the western and north-western outskirts of Donetsk, Horlivka, and west of Yasynuvata.

    Thus, during the last 24 hours, militants have repeatedly carried out attacks on the positions of ATO forces north of Novhorodske and near the village itself, in the vicinity of Leninske and Artemove from 120 mm mortars and 122 mm artillery. Spotters of Russian-terrorist forces were observed within close range of the shellings.

    The positions of Ukrainian troops in the area of Lozove, Vodyane, Opytne, and in the area north of Avdiivka were shelled from 122 mm artillery (in addition, residential areas in Avdiivka were also repeatedly shelled from 122 mm and 152 mm artillery.

    In the area of Mar’inka, Opytne and Vodyane, the activities of several groups of enemy armored vehicles were recorded. In the area of Mar’inka, from the direction of Oleksandrivka, an armored group (two tanks and one BMP-2) was operating – shelling ATO positions from the “greenery,”advancing and leaving firing positions under cover of 82 mm mortars (tank guns made 5-6 shots each, and a BMP [infantry fighting vehicle] fired to provide cover).

    In the area of Opytne, the enemy moved several armored vehicles (two T-64B tanks) to firing positions in the “greenery” in advance, after dark. Following additional reconnaissance, insurgents opened fire from their tank guns, after which the tanks retreated to their original line of defense in the depths of the RTT [Russian terrorist troops].

    The positions of Ukrainian troops in the vicinity of Pervomaiske were shelled from 152 mm artillery. The enemy shelled the positions [of Ukrainian troops] near Vodyane, Pisky, and Opytne with 120 mm mortars (mainly aiming at shelters, blindages, and trenches).

    In the area of Berezove and Hranitne, the enemy repeatedly opened fire from small arms, 82 mm mortars, AGS-17, and several times used ZU-23-2. The regrouping of RTT infantry groups was spotted along the front in this sector.

    In the coastal area in the section between Sakhanka and Shyrokyne, several firefights with small arms were observed. To the north of this area, near Chermalyk and Mykolaivka, the enemy moved mortars to the front line (both 82 mm and 120 mm [calibers]) – at minimum, three firing positions of militant mortar units were observed (overall – up to six 82 mm mortars and about eight 120 mm mortars).

    On the Svitlodarsk bridgehead, militants carry out attacks from small arms and AGS-17. On the bridgehead’s flank, from the direction of Luhansk, militants regrouped armored vehicles outside of Kalynove, south of Rozsadky, and in the area between Pervomaisk and Zolote (to the northwest of Kirovsk). The [exact] number of armored vehicles is currently being determined. Beyond the Popasna – Stakhanov highway in the area between Irmino and Kirovsk, the transfer of a tank group, in the northward direction – up to five vehicles – was observed.

    In the area between Novhorodske and Leninske, an attempt by an enemy sabotage and reconnaissance group (10-12 people) to infiltrate ATO forces’ battle formations was observed. Discovered by a combat outpost of Ukrainian troops, the sabotage and reconnaissance group was forced to retreat to its original line after a firefight.

    In the area of Novotoshkivka and Krymske, militants fired from 82 mm and 120 mm mortars, and carried out ‘harassing fire’ from small arms. In the wide area from Popasna to Stanytsia Luhanska, along both banks of the Seversky Donets [river], a “warfare of small groups” continues – a large number of terrorist sabotage and reconnaissance groups and raid teams was observed.

    In Donetsk, the transfer of terrorist mortar units (three 120 mm and two 82 mm mortars) was spotted along the “frontline” on Shvedov Avenue towards the northeast.

    In the area of Prymorske, terrorists deployed and disguised their artillery. Two batteries (a 6-weapon [battery] of 122 mm D-30 howitzers, and a four 152 mm 2A65 “MSTA-B” [battery]) were observed.

    Between Sverdlovsk and Rovenki, two tactical groups of Russian troops were observed. One [group] is staffed by the Russian Airborne Forces (composed of two 120 mm 2S9 “Nona-S” airborne self-propelled guns, four BTR-D and six BMD-2). The second [group] included two BMR-1K combat reconnaissance vehicles, two BMP-2, four army trucks, and two jeeps.

    The transfer of agricultural vehicles and equipment is conducted from Russia to the areas controlled by the “DNR” and “LNR” [Donetsk- and Luhansk People’s Republics]. The transfer of agricultural vehicles was observed in Amvrosiivka, Krasnodon, and Rovenki. Harvesting is underway in the southern occupied areas of Luhansk region; the presence of Russian experts was observed.

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    Obama has never had a single strategy concept for dealing with Russia other than he "needs Putin's support for his own legacy".

    In 2014 Obama stated to the world press---"we judge Putin on his words, not his actions" and NOW five weeks into a massive shelling and ground attacks daily 24 X 7 by the Russian Army and her mercenaries----Obama says WHAT---absolutely nothing..........

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...source=twitter

    08.06.151:00 AM ET

    Pentagon: Team Obama Is ‘Too Timid’ on Putin

    America’s military brass keeps calling Russia an ‘existential’ danger to the U.S.—and the White House isn’t exactly thrilled.

    Every time a U.S. military commander calls Russia the biggest threat to the United States, the White House fumes.

    In recent weeks, there’s been a dramatic, if little noticed, shift in how the Pentagon talks about the world. Russia—once dismissed as a military has-been—is now being regarded as an enemy with the potential to do “existential” damage to America. Everyone from the incoming chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on down is raising the alarm about a Russia that is revamping its nuclear arsenal, launching ultra-sophisticated cyberattacks, and, of course, stirring up trouble in Eastern Europe. And that talk is not sitting well with the staff at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    Russia is just one of myriad threats, White House officials say—calling it a top threat is a step down a slippery slope toward the risk of conflict. And the talk from the Pentagon about arming the Ukrainians, so they can resist Putin? The White House is having none of it. Putting more weapons in the hands of Russia's enemies would only create an excuse for more Russian violence, the White House worries, just as they are trying to secure a sustainable cease-fire.

    The Ukrainians and America’s NATO allies in the Baltics “need to see us take action right away,” a senior defense official said. But the administration’s approach is to avoid “getting involved in any kind of conflict…They’re being a little too timid.”

    Of course, nobody wants a wider war with the Russians; that’s a recipe for courting Armageddon. “But is giving lethal defensive weapons to the Ukrainians really going to do that?” the senior defense official asked. “Remember, the Russians don’t want to go to war with us, either.”

    The questioning of the Russia threat has exposed an administration—and at times a Pentagon—divided about how to respond to threats to the United States. While the White House is seemingly focused on the nuclear deal with Iran—a deal forged with Moscow’s cooperation—the commanders are increasingly worried about the return of the Russian bear.

    Top defense leaders believe that calling Russia a top threat paves the way to arm Ukrainians confronting Russian forces. Politically, they want the administration to recognize Russia as a top threat so they can devote the proper budget, sourcing, and troop resources to it. So far: no dice.

    “The administration thinks the ranking of threats is not the most productive way to devise a strategy. But we are saying, ‘How else do we allocate increasingly limited resources?’” a second defense official explained.

    “We have a nation that has used force to change internationally recognized boundaries,” Gen. Philip Breedlove, commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Europe, told PBS NewsHour last week, the latest example of a commander talking about the Russia threat. “Russia continues to occupy Crimea. Russian forces now are in the Donbass in eastern Ukraine. So this nation has used force to change international boundaries. And this is a nation that possesses a pretty vast nuclear inventory and talks about the use of that inventory very openly in the past.”

    The military’s pleas are a public manifestation of a 16-month assessment that has been making its way around the world to top U.S. generals. The warnings grew more dire with each Russian provocation, bellicose statement, and violation of hard-fought cease-fire negotiations in the war with Ukraine.

    “Most assumed that the means of Russian pressure on Ukraine would be economic and perhaps an energy cutoff,” not military action, Steven Pifer, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, told The Daily Beast.

    That’s not what happened. Russia seized the Crimea region of Ukraine and then backed Russian-speaking rebels in eastern Ukraine with weapons, training, and elite Russian troops.

    “They are seeking a Cold War sphere of influence,” explained a third defense official, referring to Russia.

    Russia’s ascent, among top U.S. military generals, as the top threat to the U.S. began with a widely circulated classified briefing born out of Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea, the defense official told The Daily Beast. It was February 2014, and Russian forces had entered Crimea and installed a pro-Russian government. A month later, the Black Sea peninsula had seceded, and Russia successfully redrew the region’s map, all while dismissing international norms.

    With each Russian move—its incursion into eastern Ukraine, its president’s bellicose rhetoric, its violations of cease-fire negotiations—the military updated its brief, each time raising its assessment of the Russian threat.

    Like their counterparts in the Middle East caught off guard by ISIS’s capture of the Iraqi city of Mosul, U.S. European commanders hastily began preparing a brief about the Russian threat. Soon, the intelligence community, the Pentagon, and the State Department added their input. And one four-star after another got the brief that Russia was a growing threat.

    With each Russian move—its incursion into eastern Ukraine, its president’s bellicose rhetoric, its violations of cease-fire negotiations—the military updated its brief, each time raising its assessment of the Russian threat.

    In February 2014, the U.S. Air Force deployed 12 A-10 Thunderbolt II aircraft and approximately 300 airmen to train alongside their NATO counterparts. That spring, the Army deployed a company of troops to each of the Baltic states and Poland. Military equipment followed.

    But it was the publication of Russia’s revised military doctrine at the end of 2014 that raised the threat from a regional matter to a global one. Not only did the document list NATO as the top threat to Russia, it also claimed for Moscow “the right to use nuclear weapons…in a case of an aggression against her with conventional weapons that would put in danger the very existence of the state.” In other words: a nuclear first strike.

    The publicly pro-nuclear position—combined with Russia’s new investment in strategic weapons and advanced satellites, Moscow’s new willingness to deploy its nuclear-capable bombers, and the Kremlin leaders’ loose talk about using that nuclear arsenal—began to worry the Pentagon brass deeply.

    “At DOD, we deal in worst-case scenarios,” the senior defense official said, using an acronym for the Department of Defense. “And now we’ve got this guy [Putin] deciding whether to launch? It’s a little bit scary.”

    Compounding the concerns was a growing belief that Russia was the United States’ most sophisticated adversary online—even more so than ++China’s hackers, who recently made off with the personal information of tens of millions of government employees and their families. “I worry, frankly, more about the Russians, who are a lot more subtle and a lot more sophisticated about purloining our information,” Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told Congress.

    Russia’s sophistication in the war of ideas—with a global machine in the RT networkand a small army of Twitter trolls—only added to the sense of a worldwide face-off.

    At the same time, the Pentagon underwent an unusually high turnover period, replacing nearly every top general. Each one appeared before Capitol Hill to answer the same question: What is the biggest threat to the United States?

    Gen. Joseph Dunford, slated to be the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, his soon to be vice, Gen. Paul Selva, and the Army’s next top general, Mark Milley, agreed with a longtime assessment by Gen. Breedlove that it was Russia. It is the only country in the world that could destroy the United States, given its vast nuclear weapons program and its president’s aim to break up the NATO alliance, they concluded.

    “Russia presents the greatest threat to our national security,” Dunford asserted during his congressional confirmation hearing earlier this month.

    Dunford received a quick rebuke from the White House immediately afterward.

    “These kind of assessments are dynamic,” White House press secretary Josh Earnest said after Dunford’s statement. The general “has his own view, but I think he would the first to admit that that’s—reflects his own view, and not—and doesn’t necessarily reflect the view of—or the consensus analysis of the president’s national security team,” Earnest said.


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    In a particular way one can actually argue that in Obama being timid, and lacking any kind of resolute actions he is directly contributing to the continued killing and wounding in increasing numbers of Ukrainian military personnel and Ukrainian civilians.

    AND remember it was Obama who stated---"we will judge Putin by his actions not his words" AND yet he again after stating that does what--nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Obama has never had a single strategy concept for dealing with Russia other than he "needs Putin's support for his own legacy".

    In 2014 Obama stated to the world press---"we judge Putin on his words, not his actions" and NOW five weeks into a massive shelling and ground attacks daily 24 X 7 by the Russian Army and her mercenaries----Obama says WHAT---absolutely nothing..........

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...source=twitter

    08.06.151:00 AM ET

    Pentagon: Team Obama Is ‘Too Timid’ on Putin



    In a particular way one can actually argue that in Obama being timid, and lacking any kind of resolute actions he is directly contributing to the continued killing and wounding in increasing numbers of Ukrainian military personnel and Ukrainian civilians.

    AND remember it was Obama who stated---"we will judge Putin by his actions not his words" AND yet he again after stating that does what--nothing.
    BTW--with a NSC staff of over 700 once would think they were capable of chewing gum, walking and talking at the same and be able to multi-task handling 10 or more situations at any one time around the clock.

    DOES he need more personnel???
    OR maybe he just needs a strategy which he has not had for over six years now.

    This is one of the worst NSC's in over 50 years and it is the worst the relations have been between senior civilian and military leadership in over 100 years.

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    DPR" terrorist posing with a corpse in Scherbakova Park (#Donetsk): http://novosti.dn.ua/details/256880/ pic.twitter.com/tTyWwmUrLV

    .@MedvedevRussiaE spotted at the border personally destroying those gay Western European watermelons... pic.twitter.com/9H8JwsE4QA

    SBU detained head of "Odessa CHP" for illegally cashing of money and sponsorship of terrorism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQRtga7pDI … pic.twitter.com/7Uk9tL3sHS

    Global cybercrime fraud boss ran secret pro-Moscow intel sorties
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08..._foxit_report/ … pic.twitter.com/c76QHg9YSS

    Poroshenko: No local elections in annexed Crimea and occupied Donbas
    http://www.unian.info/politics/11087...ed-donbas.html … pic.twitter.com/fRTrFt4F1R

    06.08.2015 | 15:44

    Local elections will not be held place in Crimea and in the militant-occupied territories of Donbas, Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration Vitaliy Kovalchuk said at a briefing in Kyiv on Thursday, according to an UNIAN correspondent.

    "The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a resolution on local elections on July 17. It is clearly defined where local elections are to be held. At the moment, it is impossible to hold elections on the temporarily occupied territories of Crimea and Sevastopol. In addition, according to the law on special order of the local government, these elections will not be held in certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions,until they are controlled by the Ukrainian authorities and the elections are held in accordance with the OSCE standards," Kovalchuk said.

    He also said that the Central Electoral Commission (CEC) has the authority not to hold elections in certain areas of Ukraine.

    "The resolution clearly defines that, if organization and holding of local elections in certain regions is impossible, in order to avoid the terrorist threat and to ensure the security of citizens, the CEC may decide to deny holding local elections in certain areas with the simultaneous submission of the decision to the Verkhovna Rada for final approval," Kovalchuk said.
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    Appears that Putin has misjudged for the first time his own populations need for food.

    http://news.yahoo.com/russian-food-c...121512184.html

    Russian 'food crematoria' provoke outrage amid crisis, famine memories

    By Gabriela Baczynska

    MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian government plans for mass destruction of banned Western food imports have provoked outrage in a country where poverty rates are soaring and memories remain of famine during Soviet times.

    Even some Kremlin allies are expressing shock at the idea of "food crematoria" while one orthodox priest has denounced the campaign, which officially began on Thursday, as insane and sinful. However, the authorities are determined to press on with destroying illegal imports they consider "a security threat".

    Russian TV showed a small mountain of illegally imported European cheese being bulldozed on Thursday while even before the official start, zealous workers threw boxes of European bacon into an incinerator.

    Moscow banned many Western food imports last year in retaliation for sanctions imposed by the United States, European Union and other of their allies during the confrontation over Ukraine. But now many Russians say the government has lost sight of the everyday struggles faced by ordinary citizens.

    More than 267,000 people have backed an online petition on Change.org, an international website that hosts campaigns, calling on President Vladimir Putin to revoke the decision and hand the food to people in need.

    "Sanctions have led to a major growth in food prices on Russian shelves. Russian pensioners, veterans, large families, the disabled and other needy social groups were forced to greatly restrict their diets, right up to starvation," it says. "If you can just eat these products, why destroy it?"


    With annual food price inflation running at over 20 percent, public indignation has been deepened by Russian media reports that the agriculture ministry was tendering to buy "mobile food crematoria" to speed up the destruction. Agriculture minister Alexander Tkachev declined to comment on Wednesday.

    Putin's decree ordering the food to be destroyed entered into force on Thursday. It does not specify methods but says the process should be carried out "by any available means" and videotaped, apparently to prevent corrupt officials from simply helping themselves and holding a feast.

    How much food has evaded the embargo is unclear, but considerable quantities appear to have slipped through the net by various routes, including via Belarus.

    The ban, currently in place until Aug.5, 2016, covers a wide range of imports including pork, beef, poultry, fish and seafood, milk and dairy products, fruits, vegetables and nuts. It applies to food from the United States, EU, Canada, Australia and Norway.

    Notwithstanding the petition, no one starves in modern Russia, unlike in the Soviet era when countless millions perished between the 1920s and 1940s from hunger and related disease in both peace time and World War Two.

    After the fall of Communism, Russians developed a strong appetite in the 1990s for Western food imports from cheap U.S. chicken quarters to fine French cheeses for the newly wealthy.

    Now the soaring food prices are hurting the poor at a time when the economy is in crisis due to the effects of the sanctions and a steep fall in the price of oil, Russia's main export. The rouble has lost more than 40 percent of its value against the dollar and overall inflation is above 15 percent.

    The Rosstat statistics agency says the number of Russians living below the poverty line - defined as those earning less than 10,400 rubles ($160) a month - has jumped. In the first quarter this year, the total hit 23 million, or 16 percent of the population, up from more than 16 million people, or 11 percent of Russians last year.

    Opposition figure and former prime minister Mikhail Kasyanov responded with bitter irony. "20 million Russian citizens are below poverty line. Their president ordered food products destruction from Aug.6. Some real triumph of humanism," Kasyanov said on Twitter.


    But even some government allies are critical. "I don't understand how food can be destroyed in a country that lived through the horrible hunger during the war and tough years that followed," said a prominent pro-Kremlin TV anchor, Vladimir Solovyov.

    "INSANE AND STUPID"

    Authorities in several regions have already got to work on what they said were illegal imports.

    "Any product without documents poses a security threat and should be destroyed," said Andrei Panchenko, the head of agricultural watchdog in the Belgorod region, as workers threw the boxes of bacon into a stove.

    Officials say the embargo will encourage Russian producers to fill the gap. Now the authorities are also proposing to limit imports of X-ray machines and defibrillators for hospitals, which are already complaining of poor equipment. Even condoms could make it to the list of restricted imports.

    One priest from the Russian Orthodox Church, which enjoys close ties with the Kremlin, expressed his anger.

    "My grandmother always told me that throwing away food is a sin," the cleric, Alexey Uminsky, was quoted by the website 'Orthodoxy and the World' as saying. "This idea is insane, stupid and vile."

    "Such an idea can only appear with a man who has been in no need for anything in recent decades and is ready to do something like that for populism and quasi-patriotism," he added.

    Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov offered little hope of a change of heart, saying: "The presidential decree is taking effect and must be carried out."

    Peskov said Putin was aware of the petition but cast doubt on the numbers, saying the website did not vet votes carefully enough. But the Kremlin has hit a raw nerve with many Russians.

    "To destroy food with this standard of living is a crime against one's own nation!" wrote a backer of the petition who gave her name on the website as Natalya Afanasieva. "Come to your senses, Mr. President, finally take at least some pity on your people!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Appears that Putin has misjudged for the first time his own populations need for food.

    http://news.yahoo.com/russian-food-c...121512184.html

    Russian 'food crematoria' provoke outrage amid crisis, famine memories

    By Gabriela Baczynska
    Maybe Obama, Kerry, Nuland, Hollande and Merkel should really give this social media comment some serious thought---goes to the heart of how they lack a clear, concise, and coherent strategy for dealing with Putin.

    Public destruction of food over suspicion "it MIGHT be from the West". We are witnessing a major new moment in world history.

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    Shellings are starting even earlier today—will be a long evening and early morning……

    Donetsk 16:07
    Somewheare at Putilovka mortars woke up, salvos
    https://twitter.com/AlfaNubovsky/sta...77686586806276

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    Video from the August 2014 fighting where Russian invasion forces had surrounded a large Ukrainian military contingent and when allowing them “safe passage” they fired literally into the units killing hundreds (over 300) and wounding hundreds (over 400), with MIA as unknown number and taking over 200 POWs—AND Obama wants to truly “trust Putin. They are still recovering unmarked remains from this area for burial in western Ukraine as unknown soldiers.

    Last video with heroes from #Ilovaysk. Most of them died while retreating from the cauldron. https://youtu.be/v7f48Kl97Zs

    What many on the western mass media did not realize was that up to August 2014 the Ukrainian forces were on the verge of actually defeating the Russian mercenaries on their own without any assistance from the West--UNTIL the Russian army actually invaded eastern Ukraine with over 12,000 active duty troops, hundreds of tanks and heavy artillery and MLRSs.

    Remember Obama calls this actual invasion "an incursion"--but he somehow forgot to check the definition of "invasion" in Websters'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Appears that Putin has misjudged for the first time his own populations need for food.

    http://news.yahoo.com/russian-food-c...121512184.html

    Russian 'food crematoria' provoke outrage amid crisis, famine memories

    By Gabriela Baczynska
    The destruction of banned products in Russia is clearly an act of cheesocide

    Driver who ran away across border with 1.5 tons of destruction-intended tomatoes, left his passport behind" http://russian.rt.com/article/107677

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    Good video specially for Putin http://pressafoto.ru/putin-ne-vouut12#
    "THUS real men're not fighting ": hiding behind civilians, wearing unmarked uniforms..

    Meet Lyokha Markulevich. Belarusian Armed Forces (11th Berlin Carpathian-mechanized brigade). He is in Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/F8wy1V3jDB

    Macabre action: Residents of #Donetsk have dumped blood and doll body parts in front of the #OSCE headquarters. pic.twitter.com/HMjj6JGKAb

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    Appears that the Ukrainian military is in fact inflicting an extremely high loss rate on the Russian troops and her mercenaries--far higher than could have been estimated.


    The OSCE has recorded 21 trucks with "cargo 200"(KIA) on the border of Russia and Ukraine http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-augus...h-cargo-200kia

    AND that just since this latest Russian offense started four weeks ago.

    20 bodies per truck minimum is a loss of over 400 troops --say an average of 50 as they do not load the trucks with caskets--that occurs in Rostov Russia-THEN a total of over 1000 and usual they use semi trailers for movements.

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    We are headed again towards the combat operations level of over 80 attacks per day tonight might break 100 at this pace…….

    Rumble of shelling. Good evening Donetsk!


    19:45 #Donetsk @UrriKara4en 25-richya_RKKA - Postysheva intersection is cordoned off with RUS BTR & Ural

    19:44 #Donetsk Kalinovka @AlfaNubovsky We're listening to the volleys and some explosions simultaneously, which's air blast hits windows

    19:40 #Donetsk @PVB40 [fb] Pasta factory: 7 distant but yet strong booms like from the north

    20:34 #Donetsk @hunab_ku04 In #Avdiivka direction such a ceasefire! [sarcasm] Even Smolyanka can hear. Now also Chemical plant has joined

    Donetsk 20:22
    Somewheare between #Avdiivka and #Yasynuvata both incoming and outgoing can be heard
    https://twitter.com/hauzenmynh/statu...41881432993792

    20:33 #Donetsk @PVB40 [fb] Near railway station: mortar, car alarms went off, a dog panics

    20:34 #Donetsk @frosy1burlakova Now outgoing from Topaz

    20:30 #Donetsk @PVB40 [fb] #Kurakhove: quiet, warning sirens
    #Maryinka: quiet
    #Krasnohorivka: restless

    20:29 #Donetsk @AkaDON12 At 18:30 2 blasts in Rozy_Luksemburg dir'n, then 2 outgoing from Smolyanka, now some fireworks

    20:28 #Donetsk Abakumova @hyeva_maryinka [vk] Not quiet, several landings behind the pond pic.twitter.com/23glnf8P0O

    20:29 #Donetsk @AkaDON12 Sporadic salvos in airport-Putilovka direction - mortars + tank?

    20:34 #Donetsk @PVB40 [fb] They've pounded from Shakhtarska, 4 volleys. Schorsa ot slagheap behind Mayak? Nearby

    20:40 #Donetsk Shyrokiy @jackson_villi Rumble heard, unclear where it lands

    20:35 #Donetsk Bakiny @GirkinGirkin Rumble

    20:36 #Donetsk @relictDon Volleys in Durna_Balka-Smolyanka direction, gunnery in the north before

    20:41 #Avdiivka @JuZolyshkaLia Rumble

    20:42 #EDonetsk Petrovka @jackson_villi Strong salvos are audible

    Right, this is "something signalling", in this case car alarms, there's no sense to use flares when it's not dark.

    20:45
    #Avdiivka loud. Incoming in the old part of the city. https://twitter.com/avdey777ka/statu...47545156874240

    20:38 #Donetsk @papandopoolo Impact on office building opposite Atletik club at Chelyuskintsev St. Area cordoned off

    20:43 #Donetsk @TaylerRid Very strong outgoing salvos from Mayak-railway station area

    Shelling from #Donetsk/outskirts seems to be ceased for now.

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