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    http://www.bne.eu/content/story/stol...ecurity-forces

    STOLYPIN: Russia’s biggest security threat: its security forces

    Mark Galeotti of New York University

    August 12, 2015

    Russia regards itself as under threat. Perhaps that is not surprising. Pew Global’s latest survey of attitudes towards Russia found only three countries – Vietnam, Ghana and, by just 1%, China – regarding it overall in positive rather than negative terms. Meanwhile, US military officers queue up to describe it (laughably) as their country’s number one security challenge, Nato is reinvigorated, and the very thing the ill-starred Donbas adventure was meant to forestall, closer Ukrainian alignment with the West, is becoming increasingly evident.

    Even before the present storm of Russophobia and Russianoia, though, Vladimir Putin was pre-emptively arming with all the profligate enthusiasm he cold muster. The 2011-2020 State Armament Programme envisaged a massive overhaul of military equipment, while a reform process launched in 2008 saw organisational changes meant to take fullest advantage of new capacities. Indeed, just in August a new Aerospace Forces command was established to unite air, air defence and space forces.

    Although this is a process still very much underway – the smooth occupation of Crimea by elite units should not be considered evidence that all Russian troops are as professional and capable – it does mean that Russia today has military capacities it lacked in 2008, let alone 1998.

    So is Russia more secure? There’s the rub. The depressing irony is that despite an array of real challenges, from the prospect of a rising Islamic State (IS) presence in the unruly North Caucasus to the quagmire in the Donbas region of Ukraine, in many ways the greatest threat comes from the security apparatus itself.

    By this I do not mean the prospect of a coup or the like. That is not at all likely: in the main they are loyal to the Putin regime, and in any case there is a complex balance of terror in place dating back to the Soviet times to prevent any such “Bonapartism”. (Even just consider the triangular disposition of forces in Moscow itself, where a division of Interior Troops responsible to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, three army brigades and the Kremlin Guard watch and counter each other.) Rather, the threats they pose are multiple.

    Home grown

    Russia today faces no external, existential threats. Nato is not waiting for the moment to roll its shrinking numbers of tanks eastwards. (Let’s be honest: it never even wanted Ukraine as a member.) China is happy to buy whatever it wants from a Russia desperate to sell; who knows what the medium- to long-term future may hold, but for now Moscow needs Beijing and Beijing, well, finds Moscow sometimes useful and otherwise no more than mildly irksome. The North Caucasus remains a bleeding wound, but even if IS finds a foothold there, it cannot bleed Russia enough to kill it, but at most leave the region a necrotic mess.

    Why might IS be able to penetrate the North Caucasus? Because the region is ruinously under-developed, subject to crippling levels of corruption, lawlessness and youth unemployment, and as a result prone to the kind of legitimacy gap that leaves populations prey to all kinds of radical solutions. This is an extreme but useful metaphor for the real threats to Russia: they are home grown. Domestic failures of governance generate domestic challenges, which may be exacerbated by external pressures and translated into alien idiom – after all, historically the North Caucasus was Muslim, but by no means prone to the kind of jihadist excesses for which first Al-Qaeda and then IS stand – but which are essentially native.

    In this context, the Kremlin’s concentration on the forms of military and security power in the name of presumed national defence and geopolitical status actually become problems, if only the regime were willing to see this.

    Eating security

    The first and most obvious is the sheer cost of Putin’s aspirations. The initial armament programme envisaged spending around RUB23 trillion over ten years. While assigning a dollar value to this is difficult and meaningless in today’s volatile days, that’s something like a sustained 3.0-3.5% of GDP over that decade, assuming no dramatic further economic decline. This is around the same level as the US spends on its military: but remember, this is not the total defence budget but just procurement, spending on stocking up the toy box. Actually maintaining the military, and fighting an undeclared war in the Donbas, all that is extra, bringing the total up to at least 4.5%

    That is a great deal of money for a country also grappling with the need to modernise its infrastructure, diversify its economy, top up its pension pot, uplift Crimea, cope with massive regional inequalities (worsened by over $100bn in regional debt) and also absorb the levels of embezzlement and corruption necessary to keep the elite in the style to which they have become accustomed.

    Despite upbeat claims, there is already evidence of some attempts to shave away at this procurement budget, with some projects being staged (the usual euphemism for put on the back burner) and others scaled down. However, ultimately these commitments are at least as much about placating a politically powerful defence-industrial complex than actually giving the generals what they think they need. Considering the plight of so much of Russian manufacturing these days, although logic might suggest less spent on tanks and more on subsidising cars, the usual result is that the defence industrialists leverage this to protect their order books.

    So what? Every ruble spent on a tank or a missile unlikely to be used in anger and in any case hardly necessary for national security, is a ruble not spent on something else that might actually be more useful. If one accepts that the real challenges to the security of the current Russian state are domestic, then one has to look at such issues as poverty, under-development, radicalisation, the brain drain, health, crime and terrorism. Halving the overall defence spend would be very unlikely to change Russia’s external threat environment. On the other hand, it would leave money to spend on schools and hospitals, on police officers and social workers, on microfinance in Dagestan and grants to encourage resettlement in the Russian Far East. In other words, to address some of those real problems. At present, though, the military and above all the defence industries are eating the funds that might otherwise be used more productively.

    (In)security states of mind

    Meanwhile, the very scale of the military reform programme and the way it has allowed at least part of the military to brought to a far higher level of operational readiness means that it inclines a regime which, after all, is run by people who feel a close affinity to the military without ever having served in the ranks, to an overconfident assertiveness that causes its own problems.

    The very ease with which Crimea was taken seems to have been a crucial factor in the hasty decision to move on to the Donbas. The outcome is a miserable conflict with no good outcomes for Moscow, which has seen its global standing plummet, its forces sucked into an unacknowledged but obvious proxy war, and a downed civilian airliner on its record, if not it seems on its conscience.

    Furthermore, following the old cliché that every problem looks like a nail if all you have is a hammer, the Kremlin – watching its soft power and its economic leverage drain away – turns to military means in a desperate bid to exert influence. Bombers buzzing Nato airspace, warships in the Mediterranean and missiles being hawked to the global awkward squad do not represent a bid to create a neo-Soviet empire, just a desperate and ham-fisted attempt to become sufficiently worrying to the West that it seems better to make a deal with Moscow rather than maintain the present confrontation.

    Yet here is the irony: Russia’s new military capacities, while actually quite moderate, and its “heavy metal diplomacy” have empowered every hawkish Russophobe in the West and precisely make Moscow look like a threat. Frankly, if ever there was a time for a statesmanlike willingness to step back from military postures and, by slashing defence expenditures address at once the country’s geopolitical and economic threats, it is now. No statesmen of that sort seem to be occupying the Kremlin, alas.


    Mark Galeotti is Professor of Global Affairs at the SPS Center for Global Affairs, New York University. He writes the blog In Moscow’s Shadows (http://inmoscowsshadows.wordpress.com/) and tweets as @MarkGaleotti.
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    This is a major reason Putin demanded from the Ukrainians a “sign of good faith” meaning they had to pull their troops back—the Russian forces were losing constantly in Shirokyne and it took Putin to get them out of their predicament.

    AND the US assisted Putin in their unilateral demands on the Ukraine to comply.

    Azov commander: "In Shirokyne Russian forces lost 800 men" via @ZIK_IA @ostro_v http://ift.tt/1NpUsG2

    So now after complying to the US demands the UAF are getting shelled and ground attacks in the same town that was suppose to be a DMZ as proposed by Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia is attempting to physically change the appearance of the area surrounding the launch site of the BUK that shot down MH17--clear evidence they know who shot down the civilian airliner and the changes will be then used to argue see the evidence videos do not match the physical environment.

    BUT the Russians failed to realize just how the social media open source analysis has a far deeper understanding on how to use the social media and internet to recover "long thought deleted evidence".

    More evidence of attempts to alter the appearance of the location of the Luhansk #MH17 video. More soon @Bellingcat pic.twitter.com/6IAPXn2det

    New RU #MH17 theory: there were 2 CIA-planted bombs onboard + CIA shot a BUK from rebel land, in operation "17.17" http://www.kp.ru/daily/26419.3/3291610/
    More Russian fake info on their new shot down version of--"it was the CIA".

    The David Stern in their leaked recording - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPXpPWSBct0

    Has a different accent to the real David Stern - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BhJifVhqFU

    Here's the scripted sounded CIA agent #MH17 phone calls Life News published. Does this sound real to anyone at all? https://youtu.be/4BhJifVhqFU

    Of course, this totally fails to explain the main examples of #MH17 debris with inward point holes.....

    According to them two bombs were placed on board which blew the plane up, and a Ukrainian Buk was meant to fire on it too.

    The http://Joker.buzz evidence was shared with Life News, it's totally laughable. The CIA did it! http://www.kp.ru/daily/26419.3/3291610/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    The Russian FM statement "accusing the Ukraine of being irresponsible" seems to fly in the face of the ground reality and of actual Russian troop and her mercenaries released yesterday combat videos indicating they are the one's directly attacking.

    By hey as long as the Western leaders Obama, Hollande and Merkel say absolutely nothing currently on the ongoing heavy fighting started by Russian troops and her mercenaries THEN I guess the Russians can continue to state "irresponsible".

    News
    Steady increase of BM-21 #Grad use by Russian forces acc. to the Ukr army.
    5 times (among 87 attacks) on Tuesday.

    ATO presser reported 87 russian attacks yday. After midnight they hit w GRADs #Vodyane, #Optyne, #Pisky, Novoselivka
    http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/08/12/7077557/

    Map depicting fighting areas---
    87 attacks (-8) of Russian forces on August, 11.
    5 - with MLRS Grad - ATO HQ

    pic.twitter.com/ghy5YufweY

    @LUGANSK_TODAY Here you go : #Lugansk Armed Camp 2015 pic.twitter.com/SzN2m7X8EO

    Donetsk 7:54AM
    Ruscist convoy of 7 Urals, empty, on Chelyuskintsev str to south https://twitter.com/nixer79/status/631329991838576640

    06:31 #Avdiivka @JuZolyshkaLia Power down
    #donbasreports

    06:26 [#Stepne] @Darren_Aro They shelled at our direction, it was rumble here... https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/631326941090426880

    #Donetsk 5:30AM
    Kirovsk ds - For at least half hour can be heard heavy single shots. A little vibration in the air. https://twitter.com/UrriKara4en/stat...94459490209792

    05:15 #Donetsk @ropogckou since 5am Donetsk can hear distant short MLRS volleys and explosions far away

    05:12 #Dokuchaevsk @shuttle1907 [outgoing] SPGs from Molodizhny area, destination unclear, no explosions heard

    03:42 #Makiivka @VasyaMakeevskiy Distant volley - [close] blast [interval is] about 6 seconds

    03:28 #Makiivka @VasyaMakeevskiy 7-10 incoming in the city west (Grigoriev ettles - Donetsk bypass?)

    03:25 #Makiivka @PaulVezko Heavy distant rumbles each 30-60sec

    03:30 #Makiivka @Don_esoteric Those are incoming, mortar, 2 sec between round and landing
    #donbasreports

    03:12 #Russian #propaganda woke up @zvezdanews "National guard keeps shelling #Horlivka with Grads" https://twitter.com/zvezdanews/statu...56918602960896
    The Russians have been trying hard to find a way out of Minsk 2 as it actually “froze them not the Ukrainians” to demands and requirements they were never going to fulfill.

    Pushilin: #Donetsk 'rebels' say Normandy talks on #Ukraine impossible now - RIA

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    HERE COMES THE RUSSIAN PROVOCATION


    MOSCOW, August 12. /TASS/. More than 90 tanks, artillery and armored vehicles of Ukraine’s Armed Forces have been moved towards the contact line in Donbas, the defense ministry spokesman of the self-proclaimed Donetsk republic said on Wednesday.

    Moscow calls on Kiev to show restraint after failed attempt to break militias' defense

    WTH is this statement when even Russian combat videos depicted Russian attacks on Ukrainian positions --typical Russian Orwellian doublespeak.

    The movement of troops and equipment to the areas close to the frontline comes with the use of fraudulent maneuvers, Eduard Basurin told reporters citing intelligence data.

    The vehicles were found in the villages of Kodema, Prohorovka, Nevelsky and Andreyevka.

    This comes in violation of the February 12 Minsk agreements which envisage the pullout of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creating a security zone on at least 50 kilometers apart for artillery systems of 100 mm caliber or more.
    The pro-Kremlin report says DNR received a telephone message on civilian and military targets on possible air strikes.
    - a provocation
    .

    Russia's DNR declare alarm .."All units are prepared for a full-scale [#Ukraine] offensive"
    http://cassad.net/vazhnoe/16232-v-dn...a-trevoga.html … pic.twitter.com/81FHNesm34

    The #DNR has declared red alert. Something is going on in #Donetsk. http://goo.gl/KiKqE9 pic.twitter.com/X57Vi08XvD
    BREAKING: #DPR declared red alert: "All units are prepared for a full-scale [#Ukraine] offensive, prepared for possible air strikes"BY THE WAY: the following was a standard Soviet Army concept that NATO followed closely on every maneuver held by the SU in the GDR and Poland.

    The movement of troops and equipment to the areas close to the frontline comes with the use of fraudulent maneuvers, Eduard Basurin told reporters citing intelligence data.

    Interesting how they turn it on the Ukraine now--typical Russian Orwellian doublespeak at work. Basurin by the way works for the Russian GRU and FSB.
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    Money and drugs stopped on the way to #Donetsk by Security Service of Ukraine. Read at http://lugansk-news.com/money-and-dr...ce-of-ukraine/ … pic.twitter.com/1sk7dqHJT4

    During last day militants attacked checkpoints Mariinka & Berezove. 12 enemy drone flights recorded - Border guards
    http://dpsu.gov.ua/ua/about/news/news_8194.htm

    Russia's MSTA-C and artillery unit of 17th IMRB brigade in Ukraine.
    https://translate.google.com.ua/tran...om&prev=search … pic.twitter.com/W34ShsmKeK

    BreakingNews
    Russian forces used the BM-27 #Uragan against Ukrainian positions in #Starohnativka last night
    First time since half a year.


    Russia mercenary supply creativity at work---
    Border patrol guards found pipeline for smuggling gas at border with Russia
    http://dpsu.gov.ua/ua/about/news/news_8187.htm … pic.twitter.com/QjS3xLobQM

    167 National Guard soldiers killed, 708 wounded, 30 missing and 10 captured by terrorists since beginning of the ATO
    http://en.censor.net.ua/news/347461/..._antiterrorist

    BTW--killed and wounded figures for the UAF do not include those loses within the NG and or the various independent volunteer BNs.

    The Russian 8th Motorized Rifle Brigade as Part of the “People’s Militia” of LNR: https://en.informnapalm.org/the-russ...ilitia-of-lnr/ … pic.twitter.com/sUTPVsaYPB

    Russia's information soldiers are being moved into position, as fighting intensifies in e. #Ukraine
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Really good article as it might explain the Ukrainian ability to hold their on right now--they have a total 64K under arms and yet the Russians have 34K inside the ukraine and an estimated 55-85K on the borders and yet they are going no where fast on the ground.

    http://warontherocks.com/2015/08/ukr...of-exhaustion/

    Ukraine and the Art of Exhaustion


    Long-Form | August 11, 2015 | Lawrence Freedman
    I keep going back to this article for a number of reasons that have started appearing over the last few weeks.

    The West and even the Ukraine after the signing of Minsk 2 assumed that the Ukraine would be forced to concede everything Putin wanted and especially after he sent in the Russian army or at the very least it would be frozen along the Putin demands of a Bosnian solution.

    Since Feb 2015 the Ukraine through some astute moves both with their military and politically have actually "frozen Putin now".

    BTW with no and or little assistance from the US and Europe.

    In this Russian MoD article it appears Russia also concedes they are frozen and must in the end push for a military solution which one writer say will be the end of August early Sept.

    IMHO they are going for it now as the Ukraine is dry and tank ready.

    Evidence of #Russia's plans 4 a major #Ukraine offensive late summer buried in this MoD report
    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mi...21315-pv07.htm

    Maybe agitprop but there is always a grain of truth in agitprop----

    Komsomolske: 'Militants' instructed locals to prepare their basements for August 18th http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/08/12/7077610/ … via @ukrpravda_news
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    More Russian fake info on their new shot down version of--"it was the CIA".

    The David Stern in their leaked recording - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPXpPWSBct0

    Has a different accent to the real David Stern - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BhJifVhqFU

    Here's the scripted sounded CIA agent #MH17 phone calls Life News published. Does this sound real to anyone at all? https://youtu.be/4BhJifVhqFU

    Of course, this totally fails to explain the main examples of #MH17 debris with inward point holes.....

    According to them two bombs were placed on board which blew the plane up, and a Ukrainian Buk was meant to fire on it too.

    The http://Joker.buzz evidence was shared with Life News, it's totally laughable. The CIA did it! http://www.kp.ru/daily/26419.3/3291610/
    FSB releases audio of "CIA agents" involved in MH-17 shootdown. They are more "Mr Bean" than "James Bond":

    Russia's #MH17 mis-information became even more ridiculous"
    Fake video of 'SBU agents in the cockpit of SAM "Buk"'
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Zj4-t1Wbo

    As the Russians attempt to spread another fake story and or stories to deflect the investigation--this---

    Dutch prosecutor: Investigators close to establishing responsible for MH17 crash
    http://www.unian.info/world/1110816-...h17-crash.html … pic.twitter.com/Hxa671Koes
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    HERE COMES THE RUSSIAN PROVOCATION

    The pro-Kremlin report says DNR received a telephone message on civilian and military targets on possible air strikes.
    - a provocation
    .

    Russia's DNR declare alarm .."All units are prepared for a full-scale [#Ukraine] offensive"
    http://cassad.net/vazhnoe/16232-v-dn...a-trevoga.html … pic.twitter.com/81FHNesm34

    The #DNR has declared red alert. Something is going on in #Donetsk. http://goo.gl/KiKqE9 pic.twitter.com/X57Vi08XvD
    BREAKING: #DPR declared red alert: "All units are prepared for a full-scale [#Ukraine] offensive, prepared for possible air strikes"

    BY THE WAY: the following was a standard Soviet Army concept that NATO followed closely on every maneuver held by the SU in the GDR and Poland.

    The movement of troops and equipment to the areas close to the frontline comes with the use of fraudulent maneuvers, Eduard Basurin told reporters citing intelligence data.

    Interesting how they turn it on the Ukraine now--typical Russian Orwellian doublespeak at work. Basurin by the way works for the Russian GRU and FSB.
    Stakhanov
    Ruscists announced curfew at 21:00hrs from 12.08.2015 https://twitter.com/100007182042214/...37155634647044

    A convoy of military equipment arrived at night from Bryanka".
    #Stakhanov

    It's like they prepare smth. #Stakhanov announced curfew fr 21:00,
    it was 23:00. Plus active movement of equipment. https://twitter.com/Villa_riba/statu...41761982877696
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    Weather on the eastern front line is hot, dry and clear--may account for the majority of fighting going on in the evenings and at night due to the heat.

    Which helps the UAF as it is harder to do combined arms maneuvers under the use of night vision as the UAF side has been getting a large number of night vision devices which has improved their night fighting abilities.

    Patiently awaiting this evening as it will be the make it or break it for the Russian military and her mercenaries.

    After two long days and the heavy use of Spetsnaz to find a breakthrough point they still have not broken through UAF defense lines combined with heavy manpower loses on the last two night attempts and the UAF has not been using their heavy artillery yet..

    They are in the untenable situation of having to go for it and or standing down in defeat in their eyes as well in the eyes of Putin.

    Keeping that large of force on a high stage of awaiting the attack signal and then not going will wear on their troops mentally and physically as the largest number of Russian troops in the Ukraine are conscript not volunteers/contractors.

    The coming evening and night will be highly interesting.
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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...s.html?via=ios

    Annals of Escalation

    08.12.151:00 AM ET

    Ukraine’s Cold War Gets Hot as Combat Explodes in the Last 24 Hours

    The most intense Russian-backed fighting in six months has occurred within the last 24 hours. But it’s where the flare-out has taken place that matters.

    Monday morning saw some of the heaviest fighting in eastern Ukraine since the fall of Debaltsevo, almost a week after the signing of the second Minsk “cease-fire” agreement.

    According to Ukrainian reports, hundreds of Russian-backed fighters took part in an assault, supported by tanks and artillery fire, on positions near the village of Starognatovka, in the south of the Donetsk region. The attack was repelled and Ukrainian forces made their first territorial gains since February 10. Since then, heavy artillery and Grad rockets have rained down across this section of the front line.

    Kiev, which had already called a war cabinet on August 4, has responded by warning the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and its Western partners that it reserves the right to return heavy weaponry, withdrawn in accordance with Minsk II, to the front line. Monday Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko ordered his foreign minister, Pavlo Klimkin, to arrange emergency consultations with other members of the “Normandy Four” — France, Germany and Russia.

    While the Minsk ceasefire has been violated countless times since the fall of Debaltsevo, days after the signing of the agreement, this attack is of grave concern as it comes not only as the Kremlin and its proxies have raised the specter of “provocations” via threats of military action and attacks on the OSCE, but in an area of key strategic importance.

    An OSCE statement released Tuesday said that recent attacks on their Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM), including Sunday’s orchestrated protests and torching of four OSCE vehicles in separatist-held Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as two recent incidents in which SMM personnel came under fire, are endangering the role of the SMM in assisting with the implementation of Minsk II.

    On the same day as the protests and arson attack on the OSCE, Evgeny Buzhinsky, a Moscow think tank head and former member of Russia’s General Staff, told the BBC that any Ukrainian move over the Minsk demarcation line could result in a full-scale military response from Russia.

    Buzhinsky has made extreme threats before, claiming in February this year that any delivery of lethal weaponry to Ukraine by the USA would be seen by the Kremlin as a “declaration of war.”

    He has also been keen to spread the claim that any Western intervention in the Ukrainian conflict could trigger nuclear war, a remote possibility that has been taken in by some of the more hysterically inclined members of the Western media.

    The point of such statements is usually to scare off Westerners, to make them fear that any opposition to Russia’s plans may result in a nuclear holocaust. However, such high-profile individuals (and note here that Buzhinsky only retired from the General Staff in 2009) are likely used to disseminate specific political messages from the Kremlin, and the timing of Monday’s statement could well be a threat ahead of renewed military provocations in the Donbas.

    And, in response to the attack Monday morning, judging from front-line reports, Ukraine did indeed go over the Minsk demarcation line as it launched a counter-attack.

    In the early hours of August 10 Russian-backed forces pounded Ukrainian positions near the villages of Nikolaevka, Novogrigoryevka, Bogdanovka and Starognatovka with artillery and heavy mortars. Then, at around 3:20 a.m., a group of around 400 fighters launched an assault on a defensive position held by the Ukrainian 72nd Mechanized Brigade, near Starognatovka. They were supported, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said, by 10 tanks and 10 infantry fighting vehicles.

    Aleksandr Samarsky, deputy commander of the 72nd, told a Ukrainian reporter: “Right now we have a contact fight, practically hand-to-hand. At first they hit our blockpost, apparently to zero in. They then shifted their fire on our positions and the village. There is destruction. We returned fire, after which their infantry went up to our positions.”

    An hour later, the 72nd repelled the attack and were now on the offensive, pursuing the Russian-backed fighters back towards their own positions.

    In fact, by 6 a.m., Ukrainian troops had entered the separatist-held village of Novolaspa, around 8 kilometers east of Starognatovka and were pushing out the Russian-backed fighters street by street. But then, having taken control of Novolaspa, Ukrainian troops were then ordered to withdraw for fear of being seen as in violation of Minsk II.

    Perhaps heeding warnings such as that issued via Buzhinsky, Vladislav Seleznyov, a spokesman for the Ukrainian General Staff, has denied that Ukrainian troops ever entered Novolaspa, stressing that the village lay on the separatist side of the Minsk demarcation line and Ukraine had not violated the agreement. While Ukrainian troops were pulled back from Novolaspa, Kiev has made net territorial gains, taking control of a strategic hilltop just outside the village, allowing them commanding views over the valley of the river Kalmius, along which lie separatist-held towns and military positions. This is the first time that Ukrainian forces have gained ground since their brief offensive on February 10 this year.

    The Russian-backed separatists have not released any casualty figures for Monday’s battle, but Misyura claimed “dozens if not hundreds” dead. The fighting was also costly for the Ukrainians: While the official report says one soldier was killed and nine wounded, Yana Zinkevych, chief of Pravyi Sektor’s medical unit, reported that seven Ukrainian fighters, three of them Pravyi Sektor members, had been killed and 11 wounded. (Pravyi Sektor is a highly controversial, far-right volunteer battalion fighting on behalf of Kiev.) Later Monday night, a volunteer group claimed that 19 wounded soldiers had been brought into a medical centre in Volnovakha over the last 24 hours.

    Since the end of the battle, Ukrainian-held positions along this stretch of front have been subjected to repeated bombardment with heavy artillery and Grad rockets. These attacks continued throughout Monday, Monday night and into Tuesday. There are also reports that Ukraine has responded by shelling separatist-held settlements, most notably Telmanovo, where photos uploaded Monday showed smoke rising after alleged Grad bombardment by Ukrainian forces. The separatist-backed head of the Telmanovo administration, Sergei Ivanov, claimed Monday that a civilian woman had been killed.

    Should these embers lead to all-out conflagration in this area of the front line, the implications for Mariupol, a city of enormous economic importance to the Donetsk region, would be grim. Mariupol, which was taken over by Russian-backed separatists for over a month last year before being retaken after two hard-fought battles, is of not only symbolic but vital economic significance to the region, as both a port and vast centre for steel production. It’s also a necessary win for Moscow’s proxies if Russia is to ever establish a “land bridge” from its own territory to illegally occupied and annexed Crimea.

    What makes the latest flare-out worrisome is that it’s occurred in precisely the swathe of Ukrainian-held territory that any Russian pincer move on Mariupol would have to come.

    To the west of Starognatovka, across sparsely inhabited fields, lies the Donetsk-Mariupol highway. Ukrainian troops hold most of this road, from Mariupol on the Azov coast up to separatist-held Yelenovka, south of Donetsk. Russia needs to push Ukrainian forces back from the river Kalmius and off the highway.

    And even before Monday’s massive assault, it was clear that Russia was militarizing separatist-held territory along the eastern banks of the Kalmius.

    For several months now, the OSCE has reported spotting concentrations of armor in several towns in this area: Komsomolskoye, Razdolnoye, Michurino and Telmanovo. At the end of June, the Ukrainian Dnipro-1 Battalion released drone footage revealing the rapid construction of a military base in the woods south of Sontsevo, complete with tanks, fuel bowsers and communications equipment. The speed and professionalism of the construction clearly indicates Russian military engineers’ work. The OSCE has also reported encountering military personnel in Russian uniforms in Petrovskoye, only a short distance north of Novolaspa. Our team at The Interpreter has documented, using abundant video and photographic evidence, the existence of a military training facility on the grounds of an agricultural college in Razdolnoye.

    Ukraine is clearly aware of the importance of this front, and may well have already taken action to hinder the supply of armor from Russia: On July 6, a road bridge over the Kalmius in Razdolnoye was severely damaged by a blast, making the highway impassible to heavy vehicles. Kiev has not commented on the incident but the separatist claim that Ukrainian saboteurs planted explosives on the bridge.

    Even if it takes a while for the bridge to be repaired, Russia can still send armor to territory north of Razdolnoye via the Uspenka border crossing, and to the south via occupied Novoazovsk, on the coast.

    Russia may not be about to assault Mariupol right now, but the months of military build-up, followed by Monday’s assault, not to speak of the near-daily shelling along this section of the front line, indicates that such an offensive is a serious possibility.


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    Drone footage shows ruins of militant-held town in east #Ukraine http://uatoday.tv/politics/drone-foo...ne-473818.html … #Horlivka pic.twitter.com/NYBIPwNDzE

    VIDEO shows OSCE, Dutch and 'DPR' experts taking samples of suspected BUK launch location.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwizOTI_8o8 … pic.twitter.com/LpSwD56fJG

    But I hope this was not the only location they sampled, because it was NOT the exact position.
    (note the tree). pic.twitter.com/DeKYxTFRLR

    Video how Russia-led terrorists cynically shell #Ukraine troops at Pisky by restricted via Minsk-2 120 mm artillery. https://youtu.be/ZgSBh2g8hug

    Video of Russian 2014 invasion---

    Field near Novoannovka on Aug7,14 and Aug31: Video was purportedly filmed there on Aug 29 - https://youtu.be/0N0rplcH32g pic.twitter.com/9ZPkYBP1tX
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    The Russian FM "staged press conference" with the KSA FM and the Russian FM about Syria and Assad did not go well at all for the Russians NOT AT ALL WELL.

    The Russian FM defended keeping Assad--the KSA--Assad is the problem he must be kicked out before we can do anything with you.

    Russian translators skipped over much of what the KSA FM stated about Assad.

    THEN this today is leaked---

    Sergei Lavrov, Russia, called a colleague from Saudi Arabia idiot (moron + filthy language)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UDiFm8vINo

    Sergei Lavrov moment of rage in a press conference with the Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister

    Lavrov gets busted on camera muttering '****ing morons' under breath at presser with Saudis

    Lavrov said "Дебилы, блядь"
    дебилы="handicapped/retards/imbeciles"
    блядь means here 'f####! s####!' as interjection https://twitter.com/svaboda/status/631411519931174912

    Pressure seems to be getting to the Russian FM--Assad is basically now losing Syria after defeat after defeat, the Russians are the "frozen party" in Ukraine and the Russian economy due to sanctions is sliding badly.

    And yet he just keeps smiling and lying.

    AND Obama and Kerry just keep on trusting him.....
    Honest to god --stated by the Russian FM when confronted about his under the breath curses at the KSA FM caught on video and audio.

    Confronted with video of Lavrov saying "imbeciles" aloud and mouthing "fxxxxxx, @mfa_russia says: "What swearword? We didn't hear anything"

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    A new ELN policy-brief on NATO/Russia military exercises has received global coverage, read the full report here -
    http://www.europeanleadershipnetwork...kely_2997.html

    The Anatomy of a
    #NATO exercise: http://goo.gl/hhCHjX
    #Russian exercise: http://goo.gl/2uOsnQ
    by @FrearUK pic.twitter.com/EMdvN0tXbE

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    Russia is having a bad hair day--first their very own FM gets caught on video and audio AND denies it even with the video and NOW the Russian MoD gets caught out in left field and is backpedaling badly.

    Russia’s own videos and photos from their recent Baltic bombing exercises is now being called by the Russian MoD ---"photoshopping"----but it was their own photos—how strange is that---they just got caught out in left field.

    BREAKINGNEWS
    RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY CALLS OUR REPORT ON "TO-BERLIN" BOMB #STUPID,TO PROVOKE ANTI-RUSSIAN SENTIMENTS,PICTURE #PHOTOMONTAGE

    After 230 Russian newspapers reported on it!!! Baltic Fleet spox called it "naval humor" to Russian news site: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1951297.html

    and Sputnik is not sure what to say, but confirms pics are real http://www.sputniknews.com/military/...ses-bombs.html

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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...oth-sides.html

    Killing Fields

    02.03.155:45 AM ET

    Why Is Ukraine’s War So Bloody? The Soviet Union Trained Both Sides.

    “First we work with massive artillery fire to clean up space and then infantry and tanks roll in.”

    KIEV — Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian rebels have intensified exchanges of heavy artillery fire in several towns and villages in eastern Ukraine these last few days, destroying houses, slaughtering the people in them, blowing to bits passengers in public transport and mowing down pedestrians.

    Time and again, each side blames the other for the needless carnage and the massive collateral damage. But that’s not the only reason it’s sometimes hard to tell who is doing what to whom. The real problem is that the commanders on both sides of the lines used to be in the same army before the breakup of the Soviet Union, and even the younger ones have learned the same military doctrines that date back to the days of Stalin, and are absolutely brutal.

    Vasily Budik, an adviser to Ukraine’s defense ministry, described the core approach of the combat operations in the eastern Ukraine: “First we work with massive artillery fire to clean up space and then infantry and tanks roll in,” he told me over the phone. “That approach has been the same forever.”

    Just so. It’s not about hearts and minds, it’s about bodies and real estate.

    The Ukrainian military also uses a lot of the same equipment as the Russians, with minor differences. For example, the Ukrainian military mount their Grads (multiple rocket launchings systems) on Ural trucks, while pro-Russian forces used Kamaz trucks.

    Such weapons are blunt instruments, and they often are clumsily employed. (The Ukraine defense ministry claims pro-Russian forces have also deployed newer weapons in the past few weeks—one of them, called Buratino, or "Pinocchio," allegedly fired powerful thermobaric bombs.) Complicating the situation, there are irregular forces on both sides, with Russian military professionals trying to keep a relatively low profile behind the often-impulsive rebels and the regular Ukrainian forces, which, at best, are uneasy with the volunteer units fighting alongside them.

    Speaking at a cafe in Kiev on Friday, Ukrainian officers at the table looked gloomy, discussing the protest outside the defense ministry’s gate by members of the volunteer Aidar Battalion. The protesters complained of what they called a “real mess” in their own forces. They claimed that earlier in the week a Ukrainian defense ministry unit fired artillery, Grads and mortars 15 to 20 times against the Aidar Battalion’s positions, even though they are all supposed to be on the same side.

    Every day adults and children die as a result of the traditional post-Soviet methods applied around the clock both by Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces in thickly populated urban areas. Since the beginning last year of what the Ukrainian forces call their “anti-terrorist operations” in the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, more than 5,000 people have been killed and over a million have fled their homes. On Saturday officials reported 12 civilians killed in artillery fire in Debaltsevo, while in rebel-controlled Donetsk, six people were killed by artillery attacks from the direction of Donetsk airport.

    Human Rights Watch has kept a record of dozens of cases violating the laws of war in eastern Ukraine. “Sadly we are seeing that both sides are using many of the same weapons and committing many of the same violations,” says Ole Solvang, senior researcher in HRW’s emergencies division. “They both have used Grad rockets extensively, leading to significant civilian casualties. Both Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces are using explosive weapons such as artillery—often not being able to target
    them properly.”

    Ukrainian officers say operations have suffered as a result of the old-style vertical command structure, with each unit waiting for orders to come down from the top of the military hierarchy. They long for the more flexible approach employed by Western armies, notably the United States. “If only we had American-style higher technology, where two men could eliminate the enemy’s rocket launcher within one and a half minutes, we would not need 50,000 people on the front, we’d finish this war in a few weeks,” says Yevgeny Vitchenko, an officer at the ministry of defense. But bad as things are, Vitchenko denied that Ukrainian forces ever fired accidentally at civilians.

    The only plan Ukraine has at the moment is to increase the number of units arrayed against the constantly growing pro-Russian contingent, up from about 40,000 regular soldiers fighting against about the same number of rebels to 50,000 and more.

    Soviet military schools did not train the army for fighting in the cities, says independent Russian military expert Alexander Golts. “We saw this kind of war by Grad in Grozny during the second Chechen war—it never takes you anywhere but to a bad aftermath of civilian deaths. The military always will be blamed for that. And this time Russia is involved in a military operation that it can neither stop, nor win,” Golts said. “Besides, there is no discipline in the rebel forces. They keep provoking fire from the Ukrainian military by placing a mortar or by setting off a couple of mines in the middle of a street to cause trouble.” Golts considers such tactics for urban warfare a “dead end.”

    Serhiy Halushko of Ukraine’s ministry of defense attended the Soviet Suvorov military school, then later served with the Ukrainian contingent in the allied coalition in Iraq in 2008. With a tense face, he told The Daily Beast about the last few months of what’s been called Russia’s “hybrid war” of covert action and overt military force aimed at Ukraine.

    At first Moscow planned to create a guerrilla army of local recruits, says Halushko, but “as locals did not want to become guerrilla fighters, Russia had to deploy the professional military to fight against us in the end of summer.”

    Halushko cautions that, whatever its problems, the “modern Russian army should not be underestimated” and “it has improved significantly since the first Chechen war.”

    While the doctrines for urban combat by the Ukrainians and the Russians are much the same, the bigger military picture is not even remotely comparable.

    Russia’s defense expenditures have nearly doubled since 2007. Last year it spent $69.3 billion on its army needs, the third largest military budget in the world, after the U.S. and China. The military reform launched in 2010 was a 10-year weapons-modernization program with a budget of $720 billion.

    Last December Ukraine also decided to double its military budget, but the announced increase to $3.2 billion is only a tiny fraction of Russian expenditure. The latest strategic doctrine from Ukraine, adopted in 2012, did not name any specific enemy, while the new doctrine signed by Vladimir Putin in December named NATO as Russia’s top military threat. It also said that Russia could use nuclear weapons “as part of strategic deterrent measures,” and also in case of aggression that “threatens the very existence” of the Russian state.

    Is it possible that the war in Ukraine could develop into a bigger international conflict involving nuclear weapons? Some Russians like to play with that idea. “If USA-backed Kiev does not stop killing the people of Donbas [eastern Ukraine] now, it could be WWIII,” Yuriy Krupnov, a pro-Kremlin analyst, told The Daily Beast. “We would rather use nuclear against NATO’s constant threats, than live on our knees for ever. It goes without saying that the conflict in Ukraine is a between us and United States, with USA attacking our borders, our people.”

    Amid such dramatic rhetoric, the Grads continue blasting apart one family’s life after another in an approach that has been the same forever.

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    Read&think: OSCE ObservMission @ RUS Checkpoints:

    http://www.osce.org/node/176816

    RUS steals UKR coal, refuels its war hardware, rotates personnel

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    Pro #Russia|n media outlet:
    Ukrainian assault could "begin at any minute"


    Pushilin (DNR Defense Minister-GRU/FSB): 'Full-Scale Fighting Could Break Out At Any Moment'

    15:11 (GMT)

    With the current escalation in fighting, messages from the Kremlin, their separatist proxies and their supporting media today are most disquieting.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin is broadcasting the message that violence is escalating in eastern Ukraine, but at the hands of the government's forces. The Kremlin press service announced that Putin will hold an "operative meeting" with the Russian Security Council today in order to address the worsening violence. RFE/RL reports:

    The Kremlin said the focus of the meeting was on attacks on pro-Russian separatists as well as residents of eastern Ukraine, implying that the attacks were being carried out by Ukrainian government forces.

    Russia's Foreign Ministry on August 11 also complained that the situation on the front line has deteriorated in recent days and urged Kyiv to end what Moscow said were "irresponsible actions."

    Eduard Basurin, the deputy commander of the DNR's armed forces, told Russia's state-owned RIA Novosti news agency today that Ukraine had moved 12 Grad MLRS and more than twenty armoured units up to within 20 km of the contact line near Kodema, north of Gorlovka.

    Denis Pushilin, the DNR's envoy at the Minsk peace talks, gave a press conference today at which he claimed that Ukrainian forces had conducted 150-180 attacks over the last 24 hours, a dramatic rise over the 30 or so attacks reported daily by the separatists throughout the 'ceasefire.'

    "Therefore," Pushilin said, "this is a cause for serious concern."
    Pushilin warned ominously that "full-scale fighting could break out at any moment."

    Zvezda TV, which is owned by the Russian Ministry of Defence, reports this afternoon that they have been told by "sources in the defence ministry of the Donetsk People's Republic [DNR]" that all separatist fighters (including those fighting for the Lugansk 'People's Republic') are being recalled from leave.

    The separatist sources claim that a Ukrainian offensive may be imminent, and that their leadership has received "warnings of possible air strikes."

    This, in itself, seems highly unlikely as Ukrainian Air Force operations over the Donbass ground to a halt last year due to the widespread deployment of surface-to-air missile systems in separatist-held territory. Ukrainian military flights over the region would be at great risk of being shot down from portable missile systems (MANPADS), or Strela-10 and Pantsir-S1 systems.

    Zvezda cites comments made to Argumenty i Fakty today by Rostislav Ischenko, president of the Centre for Systematic Analysis and Forecasting:

    "Sooner or later, real fighting will start because it is impossible to resolve this situation by other means. And both sides are preparing for this. Some experts say that the war will begin in October. I think it will be sooner: at the end of August or the beginning of September."

    Ischenko, who was born in Kiev, left Ukraine after the collapse of the Yanukovych government and was involved in former Kharkiv governor Mikhail Dobkin's Ukrainian Front anti-Maidan movement.

    Pro-separatist blogger Colonel Cassad wrote this afternoon that artillery duels were now raging between both sides in the Donetsk region, with wide-scale use of multiple-launch rocket systems.

    Russian-backed fighters, he said, are reinforcing their positions "in anticipation of an offensive by the Ukrainian Armed Forces."

    "According to various sources, the beginning of the active phase is expected in the coming days, if leaders aren't able to slow down the situation by diplomatic means."

    Icorpus, another pro-separatist media outlet, claimed today that a Ukrainian assault could "begin at any minute," adding that:

    "With every passing hour, the Ukrainian armed forces are increasing their numbers of armoured vehicles, artillery and manpower along the contact line."

    Previous periods of escalation in fighting were preceded by increased rhetoric coming out of the Russian government, the Russian media, and statements by the Russian-backed separatists. This pattern, which some believe is orchestrated by the Kremlin, clearly connects the increasing violence in eastern Ukraine with the intentions of Moscow, effectively broadcasting a threat (albeit a veiled one) from the Russian government to Ukraine and its allies.

    There are too many coincidences at the minute which suggest that the Russian government and its proxies want everyone to think that a separatist offensive is just over the horizon.

    Monday's escalation in fighting has many Ukraine-Russia watchers paying closer attention. Possible disinformation campaigns put out earlier in the week in pro-separatist outlets and social media accounts indicated that the Russian-backed fighters could launch an offensive as early as today.

    Basurin's statements earlier in the week that Ukraine, not the separatists, launched Monday's attack, and his statements today that Ukraine is deploying multiple-launch rocket systems to the front, add an urgency and a plausible motive for action by the Russian-backed fighters. That urgency is underscored by Pushilin's statement about Ukrainian artillery attacks and the report from the DNR defense ministry that DNR and LNR troops are being called up (which was broadcast by the Kremlin's defense ministry news agency) underscores the extent of the threat that the Russian-backed fighters want the world to think that the Ukrainian military poses.

    The claims that Ukraine could resume using airstrikes goes even further in riling up the allies of the Russian-backed fighters. And now Putin's statements accomplish two goals -- they add legitimacy to the claims put out by the Russian-backed fighters, and they simultaneously let the world (via subtext, of course) know that Russia is serious and the next wave of escalation could be a Kremlin directive.

    The fighting is real. Ukraine has been warning about increasing violence for weeks. But that the Kremlin is finally noticing and that the Russian-backed fighters are blaming Ukraine indicate that the Kremlin and the separatists at least want everyone to believe that an explosion in fighting is imminent. The heated rhetoric is reminiscent of the period of "Russian invasion" last August, and the period of intensifying separatist offensives in January and February 2015. Both of those ended in Ukraine signing Minsk ceasefire agreements which to some degree froze the conflict but which also gave the Russian-backed fighters major territorial concessions.
    DNR+LNR "MoDs" have cancelled leaves for military personnel http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/12-augu...s-for-military
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    And the war just keeps grinding on and the West says nothing at all—Obama, Hollande and Merkel are simply missing in action yet call themselves “leaders”.

    18:45 #Krasnohorivka @hyeva_maryinka [vk] Machine gun bursts in Stalino road direction. Quiet in the town

    19:00 #Donetsk @relictDon Volleys, northwest

    19:51 #Donetsk @relictDon A long column of covered trucks went along Kommunariv St fr/30th market towards Tekstilschik

    19:46 #Starohnativka @Staroignatievca All day the village is being monotonously pounded, now more intense, UAV in-flight

    With every passing hour, the UAF increasing their numbers of armoured vehicles, artillery & manpower along the contact line"

    Russian Spetsnaz on the move again—beaten back.
    In the Artemovsk direction, Ukraine forces repelled an attack by enemy Subversive-intelligence group - ATO press center

    Today situation in Donbas remained tense. Militants continue to shell positions in Donetsk & Mariupol areas - ATO
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...59&__tn__=%2As

    Village of Starohnativka south of Donetsk decimated by latest attacks - watch on - http://uatoday.tv http://uatoday.tv/politics/ut-exclus...re-473914.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    And the war just keeps grinding on and the West says nothing at all—Obama, Hollande and Merkel are simply missing in action yet call themselves “leaders”.

    18:45 #Krasnohorivka @hyeva_maryinka [vk] Machine gun bursts in Stalino road direction. Quiet in the town

    19:00 #Donetsk @relictDon Volleys, northwest

    19:51 #Donetsk @relictDon A long column of covered trucks went along Kommunariv St fr/30th market towards Tekstilschik

    19:46 #Starohnativka @Staroignatievca All day the village is being monotonously pounded, now more intense, UAV in-flight

    With every passing hour, the UAF increasing their numbers of armoured vehicles, artillery & manpower along the contact line"

    Russian Spetsnaz on the move again—beaten back.
    In the Artemovsk direction, Ukraine forces repelled an attack by enemy Subversive-intelligence group - ATO press center

    Today situation in Donbas remained tense. Militants continue to shell positions in Donetsk & Mariupol areas - ATO
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...59&__tn__=%2As

    Village of Starohnativka south of Donetsk decimated by latest attacks - watch on - http://uatoday.tv http://uatoday.tv/politics/ut-exclus...re-473914.html
    All indications are that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are going into a full defensive mode and moving troops, armor and artillery into positions that will allow them to aggressively react to any more Russian breakthrough attempts.

    The current UAF is not the same 6K poorly trained. armed and equipped military it was in August 2014 when they were winning against the Russian mercenaries and then surrounded by the invading Russian Army.

    They have proven in the fighting in Debaltseve that they could even hold their own against overwhelming regular Russian tank units and Spetsnaz and have improved greatly in training and equipment since Feb 2015.
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