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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    There is an interesting question about the ongoing Russian shelliings and ground attacks—is it a general offensive, probing, recon with fire, recon in force, artillery fire strikes—ie just what the heck are the Russian troops and her mercenaries doing??

    For now going on four weeks the Russian shellings which began just as shellings accompanied by an occasional Spetsnaz recon probe-- to last week's majors two pronged attack which was launched with one prong having 400 infantry supported by prepping arty fire strike, then tanks and APCs, and the second prong was over 200 infantry supported by tanks, APCs and preceded by heavy arty strikes as per Russian doctrine.

    If one takes the Russian military doctrine of deep battle and envelopment to heart they were in fact launching a serious breakthrough attempt to capture a strategic town thus 1) openly broke Minsk 2 by crossing the demarcation line, 2) setting the stage for a swing towards the south towards Mariupol which came the following days under heavy arty strikes and infantry/Spetsnaz assault attempts as well.

    Throughout what I call the fighting ceasefire implemented in Feb 2015 by Minsk 2 I have often asked myself just how is it that the UAF seems to be holding up well against the massive shellings and seems to be able to anticipate Russian attack points.

    Example during two days of the heavist attacks—152 and 175 per day the UAF had only 4 WIAs, and during the ground assaults they only had small number KIAs and WIAs in relationship to the intense fighting and counter attack that followed the two Russia break through attempts.

    I have taken the time to reread a US Army SAMS document from 1992 that sheds some light on the Russia deep fight doctrine and potentially answers just how the UAF is bale to resist the ever increasing number of shellings and ground attacks.

    TACTICAL DEEP BATTLE: THE MISSING LINK
    A Monograph
    by
    Major Charles K. Pickar
    Field Artillery
    1992

    The answer is relatively simple—both sides were in fact trained on the same Russian deep battle doctrine and the UAF being in a defensive position has the home court advantage of knowing the terrain and they have adapted their rotation of front line units in such a way as to preserve that advantage meaning their units are rotated every four weeks to give them a rest from the shellings and then that same unit comes right back into the same positions thus preserving the TTPs gained from the previous rotation and the UAF is doing an extremely good RIP TOA in prepping the incoming unit as to changes in the Russian TTPs.

    Secondly, the fighting abilities of the Russian mercenaries even with recent extensive training by active duty Russian trainers still has not produced a soldier capable of standing and fighting toe to toe with the UAF for a number of reasons but primarily the main reason being the UAF fights for his civil society and the Ukraine Russian troops and her mercenaries fight for money and have no ties to the Donbas worth dying for.

    If one takes the time to read the SAM document the Russian doctrine actually states the ability to defeat their deep attack in a number of different ways and it appears the UAF has reread those ways—they have positioned their forward units in such a way to to present a viable defense in depth not revealing exactly where their rear support lays—and the Spetsnaz recon attempts have clearly failed via the ground recon to define that depth—thus the often massive Russian UAV surveillance flights trying to ascertain that depth—secondly and I think this is key the defense is so laid out that ithey immediately swarm to the prong attack and blunt it while still holding reserves in the rear—this last two prong attack was met head on and stalled by the forward blocking forces coupled with very selective artillery and mortar counter fires depriving the ground assault of their armored support that is built into the Russian attack doctrine.

    Also in some way the UAF is practicing the US concept of mission command—since they are virtually in a constant jamming and EW environment the individual unit commander knows what their commanders intent is and then implement what they think they need to do to follow that intent with little to no comms or UAV support—if anything they have gotten good at the old time lost art of foot recon and in finding workarounds in a high EW environment and in penetrating enemy lines and defensive positions.

    We are also seeing a return to the WW1 concept of trench warfare by the UAF to survive the constant heavy shellings—some of these positins are intertwined to provide supporting fires and reinforments if needed without creating holes in the defensive line. Actually the UAF is positioning smaller units forward to be the trip wire for attacks and this let’s the UAF unit commander then know where he has to rapidly reinforce o not reinforce depending on the Russian attack style.

    If and when this fighting ends the US Army would be well advised to understand the UAF lessons learned in defeating the Russian doctrine of the “deep battle” as it is the current core Russian attack doctrine.

    Another battle that has to be analyzed in detail was the encirclement of the UAF at Debaltseve of 2.5K troops by largely Russian active duty troops with mercenary reserves—even Putin boasted in Budapest of their defeat—while their withdrawal was ragged and sometime chaotic most of the units successfully pulled out and and took most of their heavy equipment as well---if one reads the SAM document Russia doctrine even foresees the ability of an encircled unit breaking out of a Russian envelopment.

    It so surprised the Russians that one Ukrainian Sf team went back into the pocket to led out a UAF unit that had been surrounded and yet the UAF SF team had found a way in and out and the unit of 50 came out safely.

    In a number of ways the UAF is holding it's own weapon wise with the Russians ie artillery, MLRSs and 100mm and below weapons--it is just they do not have counterbattery radars, night vision, secure comms, and drones in order to improve their defensive abilities.
    Ukrainian military is not so much outgunned as it is out-teched. The Pentagon is ready to even the odds. Obama is not.

    According to the Wall Street Journal, the Pentagon is ready to supply Ukraine with these weapons, but the White House is holding up the process – presumably to avoid angering the Russian government, which is supposed to be cooperating on other areas of geostrategic importance, like Iran and Syria.
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    http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debat...ecent-attacks/

    Ukraine shifts closer to open war with recent attacks

    By James Miller August 19, 2015

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    An employee works on a turret as armored vehicles are repaired at the Kiev armored plant, Ukraine, Aug. 14, 2015. REUTERS/Valentyn Ogirenko

    Renewed fighting in Ukraine has claimed the lives of dozens of civilians and soldiers in the past two weeks alone. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and Russian President Vladimir Putin have both called emergency war councils since Aug. 4, as the ceasefire and diplomacy have further broken down. In its recent reports, the Ukrainian military has used the phrase “most shelling in six months” multiple times, and with increasing frequency.

    On Aug. 10, Russian-backed fighters, whom Ukraine claims were led by Russian military units, launched a tank and artillery assault on the strategic town of Starognatovka, which lies between the capital of the Russian-backed separatists, Donetsk, and the key port city of Mariupol. The battle did not go the way the Russian-backed forces anticipated, however. The Ukrainian military units stationed in the area, which apparently included volunteer units, beat back the offensive within hours, and even counterattacked before returning to their positions. Though some facts are disputed, a few things are clear: The battle marked a significant escalation in fighting, both sides suffered higher casualties than they have in months and the bloodshed in eastern Ukraine has not ended.

    On Aug. 3, the day before the Ukrainian president chaired an emergency war council, the Ukrainian military released a map that showed where the fighting was occurring across the front lines and expressed great concern that both civilian and military targets were under regular attack across the entire front line.

    The focus of the newest wave of attacks launched by the Russian-backed fighters is on the western front, from Gorlovka in the north to Mariupol in the south. Nearly every night for more than a week, citizens of Donetsk posted video of outgoing Grad multiple-launch rocket fire. “Grad” is the Russian word for “hail,” and it could not be more appropriate, as these dumb-fire rockets fall indiscriminately on civilian and military targets alike.

    The Ukrainian military has been firing back, and civilians have reportedly been harmed and killed on both sides of the demarcation line. But Ukrainian soldiers complain that the military response to the attacks is neither proportionate nor effective because they do not have the necessary equipment to respond properly. In particular, the Ukrainian government has lobbied the United States for sophisticated ground-scan radar, which would allow the military to monitor and target vehicles and artillery beyond its line of sight. According to the Wall Street Journal, the Pentagon is ready to supply Ukraine with these weapons, but the White House is holding up the process – presumably to avoid angering the Russian government, which is supposed to be cooperating on other areas of geostrategic importance, like Iran and Syria.

    The Russian government has already supplied its proxies with similar weapons. In November, long after the Putin-negotiated Minsk ceasefire was supposed to take hold, both the 1RL232 “Leopard” and the 1RL239 “Lynx” ground-scan radar systems were photographed by journalist Stefan Huijboom and others traveling through Donetsk. There is no evidence that the separatists have ever captured a 1RL232 from the Ukrainian military, and the Ukrainian military has never possessed a 1RL239. The only plausible explanation for these weapons appearing in Ukraine is that they were supplied by the Russian military, which likely operates them since they are highly sophisticated war machines.

    Furthermore, Ukraine does not possess sophisticated surveillance drones, yet it has shot down (and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe has witnessed) many Russian military drones operating on the wrong side of the border since the start of the conflict. If that is not bad enough, the organization’s monitors in Ukraine have recently seen an R-330ZH “Zhitel” jamming system not far from the front lines. The system is capable of jamming GPS navigation and communication; it was used by the Russian military during its takeover of Crimea last year. Several OSCE drones have been jammed in the past months, and in one incident the aircraft crashed after the signal between the unmanned aerial vehicle and its controller was disrupted. The separatists actually told the OSCE that they have access to sophisticated equipment that can jam unmanned vehicles; in late June, soldiers from the Vostok Battalion, a group long thought to be Russian Special Forces, took selfies with an R-330ZH. Not only is Russia deeply involved in front-line operations in eastern Ukraine; it is hardly making any effort to hide it.

    So, the Russian-backed fighters are firing hundreds of shells and rockets toward Ukraine each day, many of which are launched from civilian areas, and Ukraine is unable to respond adequately.

    It is possible that Eastern Europe is closest to open war than it has been since the “Russian invasion” of Ukraine one year ago nearly to the day. If this seems like a headline that repeats itself every few months, that’s not an accident. The Russian military has steadily increased its direct intervention in eastern Ukraine since the Minsk protocols, signed in September and again in February, were supposed to freeze the conflict. As long as the fighting never reaches a dramatic threshold, Putin has been able to keep the conflict out of the headlines, and away from the attention of voters in Europe and the United States, who might otherwise pressure their governments to do something to stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    If we look at the Minsk 2 agreement one will notice a two part concept built around the principle of shutting off the fighting and then moving towards the political questions that the Russian mercenaries have raised for a total of 11 points.

    It breaks out roughly 5 for stopping the fighting and 4 political with 2 being both areas to a degree.

    This was so designed by largely the French and Germans who basically wanted to stop the fighting and if the fighting could stop then the EU sanctions against Russia could be reviewed and potentially stopped as everyone would state see Russia is trying to resolve the problem and the EU could get back tobusiness as normal.

    The whole construct that was developed by the French and Germans was strange from the beginning—1) the so called Normandy Four was originally the US, France, Germany, the Ukraine and Russia based on the first meeting held in Normandy France—the even stranger the US pulled back and until now no one has asked Obama and his NSC just why they pulled back.

    THEN if we look at the actual Maidan Agreement worked out in early 2014 it was pushed by Germany, France and Poland with just an observer of Human Rights from Russia who refused to sign the agreement in the name of Russia—NOW Poland has been pushed out of the Minsk process and many point a finger at Merkel and the German FM Steinmeier. WHY --some say the Germans do not and did not like the hard stance towards Russia the Polish side takes.

    From the beginning Minsk 1 and 2 were simply designed to stop the fighting and many in Europe stated it would fail as it has no real basis to exist outside of stopping the fighting.

    The core failure was never from the side of the EU and the US stating openly that Russia was a factual participant in the support of an d in the fighting itself in eastern Ukraine---thus giving Russia practically a veto right over all negotiations while being at the same time a very active combat participant—that combination will and has never worked historically in Europe.

    NOW we are at the point that the Ukraine has to a large part attempted to implement a large number of the points in Minsk 2---they largely pulled back their heavy weapons into holding areas and largely verified by the OSCE vs the total noncompliance by Russian troops and her mercenaries, the Ukraine fully exchanged all the POWs they held at that point vs the Russian side starting to exchange but with conditions and then finally just stopped all POW exchanges and never did released those Ukrainian POWs held inside Russia as stipulated in Minsk.

    Did this create a true ceasefire –no—the Russian troops and her mercenaries were sill firing and shelling –just less—recently the so called defense minister of the DNR openly stated a ceasefire is when there are 30 attacks a day. From the Ukrainian side they largely withheld return fire when provoked EVEN though Obama and Biden publicly stated they had the right to “self defense” and when returning such fire they were not in violation of Minsk 2.

    Since Minsk 2 in Feb 2015—there never was a ceasefire to speak of—then three months ago the Russian shifted tactics and largely supported but the French and Germans started the mantra—well if the fighting cannot stop then let’s implement the political points ie self governance with a special status within the Ukrainian constitution for the mercenary occupied zone which actually was the Russian hidden concept of the Bosnian model where their mercenaries would have the total ability to veto any Ukrainian law and or agreement with NATO and or the EU.

    At some point Obama and his NSC decided this was the way forward as well—some point to the fact that he is building his legacy for history and needs Putin’s help in resolving Syria, getting an Iran deal and combatting IS. All valid points but somehow Obama and his NSC overlooked Russian actions I nthose areas--Russia—a has driven a dual lane policy ie stating they are supporting but at the same time selling and delivering weapons to Assad that has continued to allow him to fight and they blocked all UNSC decisions on Syria to include humanitarian assistance for the millions of IDPs, refugees and to stop the utter destruction via the Assad airstrikes.

    Reference Iran the Russians desperately want to conclude large arms deals with Iran and to do long term oil contracts via their state owned oil/gas companies.

    Reference the IS—many fingers point to Russian actively allowing Islamists to leave Russia to fight for the IS following the mantra better them than us and now when they come back Russia discovers they had a serious internal Islamist problem and scream for joint help from the West.

    Obama needing his legacy to be completed decided a month ago to apply unilateral appeasement move pressure on the Ukraine on the questions of the special status and other points inside the Minsk 2 agreement—the direct result is now that Rusia is virtually trying to reframe the entire Minsk 2 agreement ie coupling the call for amnesty to the POW exchanges, demanding elections held under the mercenaries and not tied to the Minsk 2 construct and they still are adhering to their Bosnian model of what they call “federation”.

    At the last Normandy Four meeting Putin actually demanded that the Ukrainian side “show a sign of good faith” and pull back which then the US, French and Germany pressured the Ukraine to do which they did and at the same time they pressured the Ukraine to concede to a 30km DMZ in the same area which they did—the Russian troops and her mercenaries pulled back exactly 1.4kms the UAF 15kms.

    Since that pull back the Russians have shelled and attacked the town and basically ignored their side of the “sign of good faith” resulting in a shelling tow days ago that destroyed 50 civilian houses killed three civilians and wounded 11.

    NOT a single negative comment by Obama, Hollande, Merkel concerning this specific shelling attack.

    Now the Russian FM stated that at the 24 Aug Normandy Four meeting again without the US present they want the question of special status discussed EVEN though the Ukrainian RADA has in fact passed a special zone law-WHICH does not fulfill the Putin idea of a Bosnian solution.

    QUESTION is—will Obama, Hollande and Merkel continue their unilateral appeasement much in the Munich 1938 style or will they finally defend the Ukraine has having fulfilled much of Minsk 2 AND Putin not fulfilling a single point—simply put Russia is in total noncompliance But will they call out Putin in that fact???

    Interestingly the Russian FM just released a propaganda White Book on the noncompliance by the Ukraine on fulfilling Minsk 2 BUT at the same time does not state exactly what they and their mercenaries have done to fulfill Minsk 2—typical Russian Orwellian doublespeak.
    It appears that the unilateral appeasement moves forced onto the Ukraine by Obama, Hollande and Merkel have basically been about Putin suckering them.

    Boy did they get taken for a political ride---Putin demands a "sign of good faith"--Obama diligently obliges and then that so called DMZ that was to be setup is being constantly attacked by Russian troops and her mercenaries who only pulled back 1.4kms vs 15kms by the compiling UAF.

    Ukrainian Marines control the situation in #Shyrokyne, east of #Mariupol http://www.mariupol.tv/news/war/mari...shirokino.html … via @Mariupol_TV 20 Aug

    Reports of heavy shelling in #Ukraine less than 5 kilometers outside of Mariupol - @Interpreter_Mag http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...side-mariupol/

    Ah... those ringing and awe inspiring words of Obama from 2014--" we will judge Putin by his actions not his words".....

    What a farce--it is and has been always about Obama's legacy--now for all to see and fully understand.....
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    Russia'n businessman: #Kremlin destroying food to divert attention and 'troll' society http://belsat.eu/en/articles/russian...troll-society/ … pic.twitter.com/y3F9NV38VM

    Rus logic: Since French Auchan is best food chain in RU, send in food inspectors to destroy it! http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/78f95...#axzz3jM2Tdul5 …

    I've burned more. No I've burned more! Russian officials rush to impress the boss with how much food they can destroy http://www.wsj.com/articles/cheese-i...ops-1440020900 …

    Under the WTH--what the heck rubric......
    Customs service says penalties for importing sanctioned cheese too weak, want govt to make it equiv. to WMD smuggling http://newsru.com/russia/20aug2015/omu.html …

    Strange so now cheese is the new secret U-238 WMD dirty bomb weapon of choice for the jihadi's?????

    Russia’s textile industry wants EU clothes destroyed, just like the food imports http://buff.ly/1LmCPtI

    Next we will be hearing from journalists out of Moscow about naked and hungry Russians.
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    Russian mercenaries use civilian shields----
    Pervomaisk. Residential block - a shield for #Russia|n fighters.
    http://nplm.in/4le
    v @BuTaJIu4eK
    pic.twitter.com/Tpn1oyhqob

    Staroignativka shelled by DNR. pic.twitter.com/xMjWDWhwpp

    Russian 23rd Samara Brigade, on holidays in #Ukraine https://informnapalm.org/11510-23-omsbr via @newsburko

    Yet Another 'Ukrainian Assignment' of the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade: https://en.informnapalm.org/yet-anot...rifle-brigade/ … via @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/n9BuAeFLXM

    Good @washingtonpost article emphasizing Gazprom's weakness & decline. Money is running out. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...8b4_story.html …

    Russian 247th paratrooper regiment (mil.unit No. 54801, Stavropol, Russia) of 7th airborne division - in Donbas. https://twitter.com/en_informnapalm/...04463847714817 …

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Light humor----

    According to Standard & Poors the standard Russian is poor.

    FSB agents starving at #RigaStratCom, had only two million rubles on them to buy lunch: 'We had to split a Snickers' pic.twitter.com/tXIPnpBwg8

    Easy way to spot Russian intel at #RigaStratCom is to tell them how much a coffee costs in Rubles & wait for them to cry.

    18 Russian ships will exercise with China. Not counting the tugs we send to tow the ones that break back home
    Attendees at #RigaStratCom are warned to check for Russian 'tourists' using the new zero Ruble note. pic.twitter.com/n3XBpJl5yy

    FSB agents at #RigaStratCom confused about the term "free speech"
    This is not true. It's freedom *after* speech that's confusing.

    After seeing inauguration of new #NATO StratCom building, #Russia shows its speed by opening one too pic.twitter.com/NfhU5CBfxy
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    Hybrid trolls on Latvian portals attack #NATO aggresively and take more moderate, "educational" approach on #EU

    STRATCOMCOE @STRATCOMCOE
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    Only 67 #Russia|n attacks on #Ukraine positions yesterday. But don't hold your breath, another 'aid' convoy just crossed the border.

    DPR Media: DPR is ready to hold another referendum to join the #Russia|n Federation http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-augu...her-referendum

    More serious Russian military equipment problems.

    Nuclear SLBM oxidiser leak rpt #Russia Pac Fleet Kamchatka Pen prob R-29R from Delta III SSBN
    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=386503 … pic.twitter.com/tCunT0ieQV

    Map-----
    Yesterday #Ukraine lost 2 KIA and 1 WIA in #Lugansk Region. Stanytsia Luhanska attacked also. http://lugansk-news.com/ukraine-lost...acks-continue/ … pic.twitter.com/O4jbgw7tnF

    MORE Russian “fake news”---
    LOL, Zvezda claiming Ukrainian weapons found by LNR,
    use pic of weapons showed by Donbass Batt. a few weeks ago
    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mi...01532-i36k.htm

    Pics from Donbass Battalion: https://twitter.com/AbraxasSpa/statu...69970724782080

    Grad somewhere in Donetsk. Anyone IDs the vehicles on the background? looks like comms. on GAZ-66 pic.twitter.com/3EhDNr4jHs
    Hey @5urpher any idea where is this? looks like a coal depot on the background, thanks

    Russians Take It Out on the Ukrainian Refugees: https://en.informnapalm.org/russians...nian-refugees/ … pic.twitter.com/ca8jeL9z6u

    This is not the first such reporting on this topic (4th in the last three months)--actually a large number of ethnic Russian Ukrainians who fled the Donbas to Russia have actually resettled as IDPs in the western Ukraine and speak Russian and are never hassled for their use of Russian.

    So much about the Russian myth Russian was being forbidden by the Ukrainians---
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia'n businessman: #Kremlin destroying food to divert attention and 'troll' society http://belsat.eu/en/articles/russian...troll-society/ … pic.twitter.com/y3F9NV38VM

    Rus logic: Since French Auchan is best food chain in RU, send in food inspectors to destroy it! http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/78f95...#axzz3jM2Tdul5

    I've burned more. No I've burned more! Russian officials rush to impress the boss with how much food they can destroy http://www.wsj.com/articles/cheese-i...ops-1440020900

    Under the WTH--what the heck rubric......
    Customs service says penalties for importing sanctioned cheese too weak, want govt to make it equiv. to WMD smuggling http://newsru.com/russia/20aug2015/omu.html

    Strange so now cheese is the new secret U-238 WMD dirty bomb weapon of choice for the jihadi's?????

    Russia’s textile industry wants EU clothes destroyed, just like the food imports http://buff.ly/1LmCPtI

    Next we will be hearing from journalists out of Moscow about naked and hungry Russians.
    AND now Mickey Mouse is dodging the Russian police---it is getting stranger by the day in Russia---

    Russia’s antimonopoly police launch a case against the Disney Channel
    14:54, 20 August 2015 Interfax

    Russia's Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) has launched an investigation against the Disney Channel's advertising practices, following complaints that the station broadcasts commercials in excess of statutory limits. A hearing is scheduled for September 24. Disney's representatives have yet to respond to the allegations.

    FAS received a complaint that advertisements [on the Disney Channel] during feature-length animated films exceed the statutory nine minutes per hour of broadcasting, and some individual commercials are longer than four minutes.

    The Disney Channel has been broadcast in Russia since 2012.
    It's time to play the "Russia threatens to ban something" game again. Today, the honor goes to Wikipedia. https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/08/20...-ban-wikipedia
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    NATO, US and EU approach to foreign policy-----

    The NATO/US/EU approach to Georgia.

    1. Call for "democracy", join NATO.
    2. Russia annexes land 1.8km the entire length of the common border
    3. NATO condemns annex

    Facit: GEO loses land.

    AND we wonder why there is no common approach to Russia???

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    Shellings have started early today—after 67 yesterday anticipate tonight will be a heavy one again—they needed time to resupply munitions to the artillery and MLRS forward units as another munitions “humanitarian aid/munitions convoy” (35th) was announced today by Russia---

    Horlivka 16:12
    Towards #Mayorsk, #Zaitsevo noisy! https://twitter.com/_John__Carter_/s...52364938489856

    Donetsk 16:11
    Kyivskyi ds - orcs are shooting now towards the airport more frequent https://twitter.com/UrriKara4en/stat...53265757560836

    BTW--after each and everyone of the 34 Russian aid convoys had arrived in Donbas there was a marked increased in shellings and ground attacks--AND there is no connection???? Aid=munitions=shellings--simple actually.

    Ground combat being reported now----
    Donetsk - reports of battle in the area of airport http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/20-augu...rea-of-airport … via @PVB40

    Oleksandr Motuzyanyk: Russia-backed militants use Grad multiple rocket launchers near Donetsk
    http://uacrisis.org/31661-oleksandr-motuzyanik-24 … pic.twitter.com/rwVOkHeiVq
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Hybrid trolls on Latvian portals attack #NATO aggresively and take more moderate, "educational" approach on #EU

    STRATCOMCOE @STRATCOMCOE
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    Truth and objective reporting are our strongest weapons. #RigaStratCom
    Inauguration today of @stratcomcoe in Riga. Important effort in this new age of hybrid peace. http://www.mfa.gov.lv/en/news/latest-news/broadcast …

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    Russian applies more indirect threat pressure on the Ukraine and NATO--

    Russian Baltic Fleet coastal forces artillery live-fire combat exercises with MLRS and SPGs in Kaliningrad region http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150820/1196961146.html …

    Russian T-72 tank crews of Southern MD training in Armenia for high speed manoeuvres, fast attack firing (2km shots) http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150820/1196823645.html …

    Whose side is Belarus on? Russia and Belarus to develop new line of electronic warfare systems http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150820/1196748965.html … pic.twitter.com/6DsG3NieAg

    Rus jails are full of "rebels" sent to Donbas on Rus tanks, w/ Rus weapons, thrown to jail upon return http://www.khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1440021219 …

    Combat exercises in southern Russia: 1,500 aircrew + 80 jets/helicopters training for close support of ground forces http://tass.ru/en/russia/815494 …
    Su-25 / Su-25SM ground attack aircraft
    Su-27 / Su-30SM fighter jets
    Su-34 / Su-24M frontline bombers
    Mi-28N / Mi-35M strike helicopters

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    NOW the eastern Ukraine is getting a little bit tight for Putin and may force him to move militarily when he does not want to at the moment.

    If he moves militarily he risks far greater economic damage via sanctions on top of this following development from today;

    ���� The Ruble is free..... FREEEEE FALLLINNNNG��
    ����Cos oil is free....FREEEEE
    FALLLINNNNG ��


    AT an estimate 50M USD per day to run his Ukrainian adventure--JUST how much longer can he take the massive financial hit without showing any return that will boost his poll numbers in the homeland??????

    the core problem with the Russian non linear warfare is that Putin to anticipate the third and fourth order of effects when he entered the Ukraine.

    BTW--things are getting serious for Putin--second indicator was that the Russian Central Bank took an exceptionally long time in finally stating their foreign reserve numbers----unusual for them as they have always been prompt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Hybrid trolls on Latvian portals attack #NATO aggresively and take more moderate, "educational" approach on #EU

    STRATCOMCOE @STRATCOMCOE
    Expertise in human behaviour is at the heart of understanding social media landscape and winning a hybrid war.

    STRATCOMCOE @STRATCOMCOE
    Tips how to identify a hybrid troll fr om Martins Daugulis @RigaStradinsUni #RigaStratCom pic.twitter.com/NGoR6RVrGQ

    Truth and objective reporting are our strongest weapons. #RigaStratCom
    Western journalism, key target of @RT_com etc, is supposed to hold gov AND media accountable, but it ignores @RT_com etc Why?

    Because they don't want to be 'attacked' by the #Troll Army! It wastes time/effort. pic.twitter.com/sTmjnQjsjB

    Agreed. Why are organisations so slow? Now I see civilians doing military-level info ops. For free. #RigaStratCom
    https://twitter.com/mikestaresinic/s...62488394510336

    Ah... the power of social media in countering Russian info warfare--finally being clearly seen.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-20-2015 at 02:07 PM.

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    Shelling reports are starting to drift in--will pick them up in the morning when the total attack count comes in for the 24 hour period.

    One ongoing daylight ground battle is slowly building at the Donetsk airport--will probably get bad tonight on this portion of the demarcation line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    AND now Mickey Mouse is dodging the Russian police---it is getting stranger by the day in Russia---

    Russia’s antimonopoly police launch a case against the Disney Channel
    14:54, 20 August 2015 Interfax

    It's time to play the "Russia threatens to ban something" game again. Today, the honor goes to Wikipedia. https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/08/20...-ban-wikipedia …
    Russia threatens to ban Wikipedia. https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/08/20...-ban-wikipedia … That'd ban this list of things that Russia has banned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...ship_in_Russia …

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    Russia's propaganda has been so effective that we need to be on top of things. Tim Snyder noted that while Soviet propaganda tried to get people to actively support their ideological goals, Russian propaganda is geared toward inaction.

    Western publics are having difficulty shaking off the notion of Russia as a basket case during the Eltsin years. In comparison, Putin's firmness seems to many "reasonable", in the way that Hitler's opposition to Versailles seemed reasonable to many right through the Anschluss.

    Western Europe's capacity for inaction (other than their Libya adventure) is unbounded. Maybe Rumsfeld was right?

    In any event, I think the slow turning of the screw is the best policy from D.C., despite my attachment to the Ukrainian cause. The threat of Javelins and possibly "errant" Apaches and Warthogs (on vacation of course) appearing in the event of a breakout towards Kharkiv or Mariupol is a good place to sit tight for now.

    I don't think Russian tactics or strategy is particularly innovative or worthy of new terminology...but that's me...

    I DO think Ukraine deserves a Marshall Plan. In that respect NATO and the EU have been very lacking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Russia's propaganda has been so effective that we need to be on top of things. Tim Snyder noted that while Soviet propaganda tried to get people to actively support their ideological goals, Russian propaganda is geared toward inaction.

    Western publics are having difficulty shaking off the notion of Russia as a basket case during the Eltsin years. In comparison, Putin's firmness seems to many "reasonable", in the way that Hitler's opposition to Versailles seemed reasonable to many right through the Anschluss.

    Western Europe's capacity for inaction (other than their Libya adventure) is unbounded. Maybe Rumsfeld was right?

    In any event, I think the slow turning of the screw is the best policy from D.C., despite my attachment to the Ukrainian cause. The threat of Javelins and possibly "errant" Apaches and Warthogs (on vacation of course) appearing in the event of a breakout towards Kharkiv or Mariupol is a good place to sit tight for now.

    I don't think Russian tactics or strategy is particularly innovative or worthy of new terminology...but that's me...

    I DO think Ukraine deserves a Marshall Plan. In that respect NATO and the EU have been very lacking...
    The Russia propaganda is built on 6 Ds---distract, dismay, distort, deflect al designed to create doubt and distrust--understand that when reading comments, articles and press releases and one easily spots it.

    Marshall Plan is needed for the Ukraine to overcome the deep corruption loses over the last 25 years BUT the Soviet style systemic corruption needs to be first addressed and eliminated otherwise the money goes in the front door and out the backdoor.

    The second issue to be addressed are the oligarchs who basically through hook and or crook stole the large Soviet enterprises after 1991.

    Will address your other comments on Monday.

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    Will be off the commenting until Monday morning--as I had promised my team a canoeing outing on the various canals around Brandenburg this weekend if we could beat the "little green men at the IT game" which we did--so we are taking a weekend to do team building with families and simply turn off all chatter of any type---have a great weekend---

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