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    Russian troops and her mercenaries are busy preparing for their proposed 1 Sept 2015 total ceasefire that was trumpeted by their media with great fanfare BUT then the DNR leader stated he was now in a general offensive and will take more Ukrainian territory--SO one is not exactly sure about this so called ceasefire?????

    Typical Russian Orwellian doublespeak----

    OSCE: concentration of miltants' tanks, APCs, and SPG around #Mariupol http://novosti.dn.ua/details/258559/


    NOT a single western leaders comments concerning this grave warning by the OSCE--wonder why????

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    VIDEO How Terrorussians bring (military) aid into Ukraine... https://twitter.com/etkmkao/status/637600436292317184

    Militants intensify shelling near Trokhizbenka, destroy resident areas - watch on - http://uatoday.tv http://uatoday.tv/society/trokhizbenka-483871.html

    SBU - In Dnipropetrovsk soldier was trying to sell 20 kilos of TNT pic.twitter.com/L2IhuX8ryA http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/29-augu...trying-to-sell

    Video shows DNR leader Zakharchenko as Pro-Ukrainian activist pic.twitter.com/9QI12nHqMr http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/29-augu...s-proukrainian

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    Download and read---especially for those that do not believe there is in fact a Russian Army sitting in the Ukraine and do not believe they want to go over to a general offensive.

    This is no longer non linear and or hybrid warfare BUT a pure interstate war in the heart of Central Europe in the 21st century.

    MUST READ 'Russia's Military Aggression Against Ukraine...' 18 pages pdf https://www.dropbox.com/s/vval5hz0du...f-eng.pdf?dl=0 … via @TheBankova pic.twitter.com/MjmVbnVHNN

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    What the heck of a Russian Orwellian doublespeak press release—could they have not directly stated we Russia are winning the info war???? Serbia more creditable than Russia—hardly.

    Kremlin says Serbia says Russia winning media war with United States. http://sputniknews.com/world/2015082...n-warfare.html
    The route of the terrorists' helpers from the border
    Source
    : https://youtu.be/5HZugrmKEZw
    HD: http://img.ly/CtRH pic.twitter.com/FLVVtloi4B

    Russian souvenir" - remains of a GRAD rocket recently fired at Ukr positions near Donetsk
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...15&__tn__=%2As … pic.twitter.com/Clyhf5PLOR

    Slavic brotherhood, defend #Ukraine - defend #Europe! Together against neo-Bolshevik plague of Moscowian horde! pic.twitter.com/rMr3xzsRBd

    Russian (hybrid) forces on University Street, Donetsk city, Ukraine 28 Aug (via @JuMistress) pic.twitter.com/sZU5ZdNLIQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Obama's most famous statement of 2014 will haut the history books forever---

    QUOTE "we will judge Putin on his actions not his words" UNQUOTE

    Aug.29, 2014 Putin made a midnight stmt calling on safe passage for surrounded UA soldiers after >500 were murdered pic.twitter.com/f9neXp1L68

    On August 29, 2014 an agreement was reached to allow surrounded & weaponless UA soldiers free passage, more than 500 were murdered while marching

    Was Obama just stating words for the press or did he really mean them???? Bad when no one fully understands what a US President means in his statements.
    To understand that particular battle which was the actual Russian invasion into the Ukraine--which the US called an "incursion".

    http://www.globalpost.com/article/66...isk-year-later

    Ukraine is still at war, and its bloodiest battle isn't over

    Dan Peleschuk
    on Aug 29, 2015 @ 3:00 PM

    KYIV, Ukraine — Former platoon commander Vitaly Yatsyk remains impressively calm when he remembers the day he says Russian tanks killed scores of his comrades outside a sleepy railway hub in eastern Ukraine.

    The ambush was the deadliest of surprises: As far as the battered and encircled Ukrainian troops understood, they were to be granted safe passage by the Russians — a so-called “green corridor” — back to friendly territory after days of fierce fighting.

    But it didn’t turn out that way.

    Instead, tanks, artillery and machine gun fire blew apart their convoy as it sped away in panic, leaving bodies scattered and machinery burning across desolate fields and dirt roads.

    “It ended up as a corridor of death,” Yatsyk says.

    He was one of about 1,200 Ukrainian volunteer and professional troops who fought in the Battle of Ilovaisk, which ended on Aug. 29, 2014 in a disastrous Ukrainian defeat that forced Kyiv to the negotiating table in Minsk.

    It’s still the bloodiest battle of the year-long war, which continues to grip Ukraine despite two ceasefires and other diplomatic efforts to end the violence that’s killed nearly 7,000 people.

    First, there was the ill-prepared assault on the strategic city. Then came the resulting encirclement by Russian and separatist forces. Finally, the most tragic episode: several hundred Ukrainian troops were massacred as they tried to leave.

    The battle marked what Ukrainian officials claim was Russia’s open invasion of eastern Ukraine. But it also sparked widespread public anger and raised questions over the military chiefs’ mismanagement — and, possibly, their outright betrayal.

    Now, on the first anniversary of the Battle of Ilovaisk, critics are decrying the slow pace of an official investigation into the affair. They say those responsible for giving bad orders, or none at all, remain untouched.

    Continued……

    A deadly scramble

    With few other options, the Ukrainians were eventually forced to negotiate on Aug. 28, 2014 for safe passage back to Ukraine-controlled territory.

    Muzhenko, the general staff chief, says he held talks with his counterpart in the Russian high command to discuss the plan — a claim others dispute. But talks between lower-ranking commanders on both sides did take place that day, continuing into the morning of Aug. 29. The Russians reportedly delayed several hours, changing the conditions for the exit.

    Hearing of the negotiations, the Ukrainian troops expected orders for a swift and orderly withdrawal after days of encirclement.

    But as his column of around 400 Ukrainians waited to leave through the corridor from a suburb just south of Ilovaisk, Yatsyk claims an infamous rebel commander, nicknamed “Motorola,” broke through their communication lines.

    The rebel commander trolled Yatsyk and his men over the radio, warning of their imminent demise. “But through profanity,” Yatsyk adds.

    Shortly after, he says, the mortar fire began.

    To escape, Yatsyk’s convoy of armored vehicles and buses hightailed it a couple of miles farther south through open fields. There, Russian tanks and artillery were dug into prime positions — thanks to the delays in negotiations, officials say — and the turkey shoot began.

    The Russians fired at will on the Ukrainians from both sides, decimating the convoy.

    “The first vehicles to burst into flames were ones with the wounded inside, with red crosses painted on them, flying white flags,” Yatsyk said.


    (This video purports to show a first-hand account of Ukrainian soldiers fleeing Ilovaisk under fire. GlobalPost could not independently verify the content.)

    Parts of the battered convoy stopped in the next village, where regular Russian forces were concentrated. Incredibly, the Ukrainians fought back, destroying two Russian tanks and taking around seven prisoners. But when Yatsyk and others attempted to trade the prisoners in exchange for a safe exit from the Russians, talks broke down.

    “We told them we have their prisoners,” the Ukrainian ex-platoon commander says, “and they said it didn’t matter.” Then the Russians fired some more, Yatsyk claims, killing several more Ukrainian troops.

    Burdened by their own wounded, the Ukrainians wound up in Russian custody and passed over to the rebels two days later, despite promises to the contrary. Yatsyk was released in late December, four months later.

    Russia still denies any direct involvement in the conflict. As for the captured paratroopers, Russian officials claimed they had crossed the border by accident.

    In terms of losses in the so-called green corridor, Yatsyk estimates around 100 men in his column alone were killed that day.

    According to figures released this month by Ukraine’s military prosecutor, 366 troops were killed in the Battle of Ilovaisk, and nearly 450 wounded. More than 150 of the dead remain unidentified.

    Those are conservative figures, some believe: On Wednesday, the head of the parliamentary investigation into the affair claimed the total number of Ukrainian casualties for the entire operation may actually reach 1,000.

    Many of the volunteer fighters were ordinary men from a broad range of backgrounds and professions, from IT workers to street activists who participated in Kyiv’s street revolution. Though Yatsyk, an avid poker enthusiast, served a stint in the armed forces years ago, many of his comrades-in-arms had little training and received meager monthly salaries of a couple hundred dollars.

    Tough lessons

    The massacre outraged the public. It exposed nearly every Ukrainian military weakness at the time: a lack of resources, poor coordination, and the apparent inaction of top brass.

    To this day, a high-profile blame game continues to muddy the picture of events.

    Continued........

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    There are active right now a series of major cyber attacks against the Us underway from China using a number of different attack methods.

    Secondary attacks originating also out of Africa.
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    President of Russia ✔ @KremlinRussia_E
    Telephone conversation with Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande: situation in Ukraine, Minsk agreements implementation http://bit.ly/1PEOC4F

    Telephone conversation with Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande

    Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with Federal Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel and President of France Francois Hollande.

    August 29, 2015

    16:40

    The three leaders discussed the crisis in the southeast of Ukraine and the implementation of the Minsk agreements, in view of the meeting of the Contact group and its subgroups in Minsk on August 27, 2015.

    Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande spoke of the outcome of their recent meeting in Berlin with the President of Ukraine.

    Vladimir Putin expressed concern over the continuing shelling by Ukrainian security forces of urban areas in Donbass and the build-up of Ukraine’s military forces along the demarcation line. He stressed the need to establish direct dialogue between Kiev and representatives of Donetsk and Lugansk and to lift the financial and economic siege of Donbass. The Russian President said that there is no alternative to a political settlement of the conflict on the basis of full implementation of the Minsk agreements, stressing the importance of holding a constitutional reform in Ukraine that would be coordinated with Donetsk and Lugansk.

    In the course of their conversation, the parties exchanged views on matters pertaining to regional elections to be held in Ukraine in autumn of 2015. They also discussed the main aspects of further work in the Normandy format, including talks between foreign ministers and preparations for the next summit.
    1. NOTICE--Putin I still holding to his proposed "federalization" of the Ukraine which is the Bosnian model thus effectively controlling anything the Ukraine does in the area of foreign policy.

    2. NOTICE Putin blames all shellings, ground attacks, and troop buildups on the Ukrainians--NOT a single mention that even the OSCE has stated Russians shelled their own towns--NOTHING about Russian led ground attacks etc.

    3. NOTICE neither Putin, Hollande and or Merkel mentioned and or critiqued the statements coming from the DNR leader that he is in a general ground offensive and will retake large amounts of the Donbas NOR did they discuss the pending elections the Russian mercenaries want to hold outside of the Minsk 2 agreement.

    So outside of blah....blah......blah......what was really accomplished?????

    What a waste of time as the Russians have not implemented a single point of Minsk 2 and are always demanding that the Ukraine is not implementing which they have been.

    THIS was after European reporting that Hollande and Merkel wanted to reengage in the Minsk 2 process---where have they been lately anyway--sleep walking and hoping it would go away????

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    Ukraine just published detailed intelligence of #Russia|n troop movements & equipment:http://read.bi/1hKRzWL pic.twitter.com/q3Dkq77zn8

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    A great blogsite for the visualization of the Russian troll networks--pdfs for those interested----

    See the PDFs linked attached to
    1/3 http://kremlintrolls.com/t/20150616-ri3m.html

    2/3 http://kremlintrolls.com/t/20150712-skank_net.html

    3/3 http://kremlintrolls.com/t/20150806-...l_context.html

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    Not many overnight attack reports and have not had any reports on shelling since his morning, just some hardware movements and that is about it—wonder what the Russian military and her mercenaries are up to??---know they have not become peaceniks overnight.

    This Russian “sudden outbreak of peace” is going to put me out of business.


    There is an old military saying--when it is this quiet then the enemy is up to something and it is not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Download and read---especially for those that do not believe there is in fact a Russian Army sitting in the Ukraine and do not believe they want to go over to a general offensive.

    This is no longer non linear and or hybrid warfare BUT a pure interstate war in the heart of Central Europe in the 21st century.

    MUST READ 'Russia's Military Aggression Against Ukraine...' 18 pages pdf https://www.dropbox.com/s/vval5hz0du...f-eng.pdf?dl=0 … via @TheBankova pic.twitter.com/MjmVbnVHNN
    Well worth downloading the Ukrainian intelligence report--go to slide/page 13.

    I have been commenting here for a number of weeks that we have been seeing the Russian general offensive in action BUT it has been a slow stepped offensive--building in a "masking way" that appears to be shellings and ground attacks as usual ---meaning anyone watching it would after awhile say ho hum what is new today---in order to not wake up Europe and the entire western leadership especially Obama, Hollande and Merkel to the fact there is a general offensive in motion now.

    Heck even the leader of the DNR stated yesterday they are in a general offensive--straight from the mules mouth so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Not many overnight attack reports and have not had any reports on shelling since his morning, just some hardware movements and that is about it—wonder what the Russian military and her mercenaries are up to??---know they have not become peaceniks overnight.

    This Russian “sudden outbreak of peace” is going to put me out of business.

    There is an old military saying--when it is this quiet then the enemy is up to something and it is not good.

    WOW--this is a totally new report from the ATO press center----

    Today, from midnight to 18:00, militants generally adhered to the ceasefire - ATO press center

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...75&__tn__=%2As

    Mark this one in your historical Russian invasion calendar--
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    A massive amount of Ukrainian intelligence on the order of battle of the Russian military inside the Ukraine was released yesterday all day long in English by the Ukrainian President. Down to names and locations.

    So let's see exactly how long it takes to get into if at all western mainstream media???

    Rus Gen-s commanding Rus contingent in E Ukr: @TheBankova Prez Admin releases more ENG proof https://www.dropbox.com/s/vval5hz0du...f-eng.pdf?dl=0 … pic.twitter.com/kMIVzQZEoJ

    Professional Russian Army in Ukraine. Database and Visualisation via @en_informnapalm pic.twitter.com/tz1CERIZpu http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/28-augu...e-database-and

    So we can start counting from 28 August and see just how it takes before MSM wakes up if at all. We are in day two and still nothing from the major media outlets.
    My prediction is coming true--outside of a massive take up by social media the MSM is just simply ignoring the released intelligence data by the Ukrainian government--NOW a truly interesting question to all SWJ readers--why is that???

    Two full days into this and still not a single major western MSM is interested in this.

    Yesterday @InformNapalm @APUkraine @TheBankova @20committee revealed facts about significant Russian military in Ukraine. Today MSM silent!?

    This is the complete in English released document---

    MUST READ 'Russia's Military Aggression Against Ukraine...' 18 pages pdf https://www.dropbox.com/s/vval5hz0du...f-eng.pdf?dl=0 … via @TheBankova pic.twitter.com/MjmVbnVHNN

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    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/08/2...nevzorov-says/

    Assimilation of ethnic Russians in Ukraine should worry Moscow, Nevzorov says

    An increasing number of ethnic Russians in Ukraine not only are identifying themselves as part of a civic nation in Ukraine but also are taking the next step and assimilating to the Ukrainian ethnic nation, a trend that Vyacheslav Nevzorov says Moscow should be worried about and that should be the focus of study by Russian scholars.

    Nevzorov, who writes for the Topwar.ru portal, earlier sounded the alarm that ethnic Russians in Ukraine are quite attracted to the Ukrainian civic nation. Now, he is expressing concern about complete assimilation.

    The Moscow commentator says that “the Russian super-ethnos,” which according to him included Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians, is splitting up and that many “Russian-language people with classical Russian family names have fallen in love with ‘Ukraine’ as a project” and have added to the number of “Russian-language Ukrainians.”


    According to Nevzorov, he has “lost many close relatives who were themselves born in Russia and came to Ukraine in the 1980s,” as well as many “fellow students… whose parents were sent from the RSFSR to the UkSSR.” And he says he wants to know why they are shifting their identities from Russian to Ukrainian.

    Specifically, he says, he wants to know what lies behind the phenomenon in which his “relative at the door of [his] home told me: ‘Go back to your Russia!’” to the same city from which his relative had come originally.

    “Today,” he continues, “it is fashionable to say that we have lost Russians in Ukraine only because” of Ukrainian propaganda and censorship that he says emerged after the Maidan. But in fact, the roots of what he calls the problem of the re-identification and assimilation of ethnic Russians in Ukraine have deeper roots.

    Among the most important, Nevzorov says, were the de-industrialization of Ukraine and the collapse of Russian media between 1995 and 2003 “before the mass appearance of the Internet and cable television where Russians of Ukraine could form their own playlists” and maintain contact with their native culture.

    Another cause is to be found in the Ukrainian educational system. Even where there are Russian-language schools, he says, these “do not give information about the history of Russia and Russian literature” but rather declare “in Russian” that “Bandera is a hero.” That helps create “Russian-language Russophobes.”

    At present, he continues, this phenomenon has become large enough that Russian institutions must investigate it and provide answers to nine questions:
    •“Why in a country where there hasn’t appeared a single children’s film and only a couple of adult ones over the last 24 years are Russian-language young people drawn not to Russia but have been enthusiastic about the ethno-culture of Halychyna?” [Note: By using the term “Halychyna,” which was a small medieval princedom with territory straddling western Ukraine, Poland and Slovakia, Nevzorov shows his geographic incompetence and his desire to diminish the ethnic culture in the rest of Ukraine, which had survived despite centuries of forced Russification policies by Russian tzars and communists. – Ed.]
    •“How has the rejection of the Soviet project influenced the assimilation of ethnic Russians in a fraternal Slavic culture on a fragment of Soviet Russia?”
    •“How has consumerism led to the formation of a Ukrainian political nation” and “why have glamorous Russian-language girls and guys begun to wear in night clubs vyshyvankas [traditional Ukrainian clothes] rather than Versace and Gucci?”
    •“What is Halychyna” not only generally but for Russians in Ukraine? Why have the village and the village worldview won over Russian-language cities like Kharkiv, Odesa, Dniprpetrovsk and even Zaporizhzhya?”
    •“Is the absorption and assimilation of Russians in more radically different non-Slavic cultures possible?”
    •Why does Ukrainian education have such an influence on Russians?
    •What is the proper role of the Black Sea Fleet in maintaining Russian identity in Crimea?
    •How did Russia’s problems in the 1990s affect how Russians in Ukraine saw Russia and their own futures?
    •Can this process of assimilation be stopped and reversed or have things gone beyond the point of no return?

    For all his emotionalism, Nevzorov raises three points which many in Russia and the West have been unwilling to address:
    First, it is not just Russian-speaking Ukrainians who have joined Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians to form a civic nation in Ukraine over the last two decades; it included Russian-speaking Russians who have done so as well.
    Second, this pattern reverses what was typical in Soviet times and one that Russians and many others have assumed is the only one available – that Russians assimilate other peoples, not the other way around. But today, Russians are being assimilated not just politically but ethnically in many places and in the first instance Ukraine.
    And third, that highlights something that even fewer people have been willing to consider up to now: Russian national identity, despite Moscow’s bombast and the assumption that assimilation only goes in the Russian direction is fact often far weaker than the national identities of other peoples on the post-Soviet space — even when these nations continue to use Russian.

    For many ethnic Russians, as Nevzorov’s words suggest, those three things constitute an existential threat; but for many non-Russians, and especially now for Ukrainians, they provide a basis for hope in the future, something all too many of their ancestors had despaired of ever having.

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    Either the Russian artillery troops and her mercenaries have completely run out of ammunition---highly doubt that with the tons that were shipped in and still is being shipped into eastern Ukraine.

    Still not a single report of any shellings anywhere along the front line--maybe this will hold and the Ukrainian UAF and civilians can get a reasonable quiet night tonight--they have earned it through the last five weeks of constant non stop shellings and ground attacks.

    Though from the lack of actions, comments, press releases by Hollande, Merkel and Obama one could have the point of view--that there is absolutely no war ongoing in Central Europe in the 21st century and that there is no Russian hybrid army with two verified Russian combat Corps sitting in eastern Ukraine--a ten hour car drive to Berlin.

    Signing off for the evening----weather is great--tad on the cool side but clear--grill awaits me and a great French wine.

    Stay safe-----especially for those Ukrainian civilians and military personnel along the Ukrainian eastern front line.

    Will pick it back up tomorrow---
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Be careful with this article as it is interesting that the actual document was first released--archived though by social media--then suddenly withdrawn and released in a redacted fashion--all within say a timeframe of 20 minutes.

    If in theory I am working disinformation then why would I first place the article then withdraw it and then rerelease a redacted version? Just place it into play and move on. Yes in theory if one wants a quick attention getter then withdraw and redact---but releasing the figures in the first place was a direct violation of the new Russian law on the reporting of military loses even in so called peace time.

    The original and redacted versions have been released by social media in order to do a side by side comparison of the changes.

    WHAT the FSB did not anticipate as it was their pressure to redact under the new Russian law concerning the non reporting of Russian war loss figures was the speed by which social media caught it in Russian and that social media has learned with their own info war abilities to archive everything and some of the social media has the ability to store terabytes of archived media for later review.

    NOW comes the interesting info war game--in some ways the released figures really do parallel a large number of social media reports since August 2014 and if the imagery work done by them is accurate and it usually has been lately --alone in the Rostov an Don region there have been 1200 new grave sites dug and filled in since August 2014 with a large number of those graves being dug in the last six months.

    Alone on grave site confirmations ---1.2K have been killed--the problem is are they all Russian mercenaries or is there a mixture???--some sources have been quoted as stating those are just the unidentified that could not be sent back to their own towns for burial there.

    That imagery has been geo tagged, dated and released into social media for further verification--western mainstream media response to this reporting--a big fat ZERO.

    REMEMBER in the month of late July 2015 through to mid August 2015 the OSCE SMM in the Ukraine reported 21 semi trailer trucks carrying +200 cargo--200 refers to Russian KIAs. Russia has been shipping only the bodies back in body bags to Rostov where they are then placed into coffins and a death certificate is issued. If we take conservative figure of just 20 per truck then that alone is 420 KIAs if as usual we take the normal load of 40-50 in each truck then that conservative figure is say 800-1050--again the problem is what is the mixture of mercenary to regular army dead.

    Western mainstream media reporting of this--a big fat ZERO.

    NOW the info war game begins---the initial denial and statements that the story was a fake came from TASS--total Russian controlled media and then Russia Today started their drumbeat--remember RT also totally Russian controlled and in over 126 countries has a far larger target audience than does TASS--Russian info warriors had noticed little to no take up with the TASS PR so they moved their efforts on to RT.

    NOW it gets interesting after Forbes released they article--I watched this all day and into last night--then a number of somewhat reliable western journalists started to repeat what RT had stated and openly doubted the initial report of the KIA numbers, then a few other western media outlets started carrying the RT report as well. Something to remember is normally social media is quick to state fake or real---noticed that social media stayed on the sidelines after releasing it and still are---they are accepting as real and feel no further need to jump in--Ukrainian media is also quiet as they are assuming the figures are real as well.

    THEN last night a Russia troll under guise as a reliable commenter stated at he had compared the document and found similar wording of the first report on an old archived document from a few years ago alluding that the first report was a blatant fake.

    NOTICE that in all of this info war fight not a single western journalist and or western mainstream media has picked up the OSCE +200 movement reporting and or the verified and geo tagged imagery of the 1200 graves-that cannot be replicated and faked.

    INTERESTING question--just why does all and I mean all of the so called independent western media ignor anything coming out of the Ukraine and why are they so lax in their fact checking????

    I can count at least six major articles released by western media since the Russian invasion that have been based on Russian faked information and yet when called out by social media requesting retractions--silence is their response.
    This just popped up on social media and goes to the heart of the Russian claim of a faked Russian loses article.

    Snizhne @HuSnizhne Lots of new and previous mass graves at Ovsyanne cemetery in Snizhne.

    Snizhne @HuSnizhne One of them is a long 50m ditch w/tablets 'Makiivka', 'Unknown Novorossiya wariors'.

    Snizhne @HuSnizhne The most interesting are 3 mass graves with flags 'Tomsk', 'Yakut-Sakha' and Russian one.


    Russia has taken for a rotating every three months tour of duty inside the eastern Ukraine with a steady state of 9K Russian troops--actually percentage wise heavy loses and they keep piling up.

    Let's see if the western MSM picks up this social media report---

    Noticed today the UK Independent picked up the original reporting and carried the loses as factual--fairly sure their own journalists stationed in the Ukraine signed off on the article..

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    Time for all SWJ readers and their friends to ditch this AV software company products.

    Kaspersky Anti-Virus founder #Putin pal,quote #Putin words in interview http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-excl...15-8?r=US&IR=T … pic.twitter.com/Ar7Pq8vtsd

    1. There has been some serious behind the hand comments recently that the Kaspersky CEO denied--that he was allowing the FSB to funnel off customer data down to CCs.

    2. Then this week there were accusations that Kaspersky deliberately leaked info about a particular malware that surprise surprise only they had the ability to detect driving a ton of customers away from their competitors.

    BTW--a side note--in the massive hack of the Italian software company The Hacking Team--buried in a tons of emails was mentioned that they had developed a backdoor into the Kaspersky AV software to be used to actively monitor PCs thus sidestepping any AV detection---and by the way the FSB also purchased a number of their products.

    If one knows the historical development of Kaspersky--they were always the first to provide AV defense against Russian developed cyber crime malware long before they were being detected by other AV companies and they often knew about them long before they released a detection ability thus allowing the malware to exist causing damage before they stopped it--so working for Russian cyber crime and the FSB is a BIG yes or no question that has never been cleanly answered.

    IMHO several of the Israeli AV products do a far better job than Kaspersky does and are cheaper.

    JMO----from someone who is AV issues daily.
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    Another Russian fake debunked. This is not #Donbas, #Ukraine - it's Israel, 2014.

    http://www.RussiaLies.com/ pic.twitter.com/sKN1gOGAEt

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    President of Russia ✔ @KremlinRussia_E
    Telephone conversation with Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande: situation in Ukraine, Minsk agreements implementation http://bit.ly/1PEOC4F

    Telephone conversation with Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande

    Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with Federal Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel and President of France Francois Hollande.

    August 29, 2015

    16:40



    1. NOTICE--Putin I still holding to his proposed "federalization" of the Ukraine which is the Bosnian model thus effectively controlling anything the Ukraine does in the area of foreign policy.

    2. NOTICE Putin blames all shellings, ground attacks, and troop buildups on the Ukrainians--NOT a single mention that even the OSCE has stated Russians shelled their own towns--NOTHING about Russian led ground attacks etc.

    3. NOTICE neither Putin, Hollande and or Merkel mentioned and or critiqued the statements coming from the DNR leader that he is in a general ground offensive and will retake large amounts of the Donbas NOR did they discuss the pending elections the Russian mercenaries want to hold outside of the Minsk 2 agreement.

    So outside of blah....blah......blah......what was really accomplished?????

    What a waste of time as the Russians have not implemented a single point of Minsk 2 and are always demanding that the Ukraine is not implementing which they have been.

    THIS was after European reporting that Hollande and Merkel wanted to reengage in the Minsk 2 process---where have they been lately anyway--sleep walking and hoping it would go away????

    Rather surprising if you ask me----

    Merkel WARNS #Putin East #Ukraine Vote Must Conform to (the country`s) Law http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...conform-to-law

    That`s a first!! pic.twitter.com/Y46iWd6fcf

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    Catching up with the last few days before I get to the really great news----the Russian troops and her mercenaries are either in the mode for a coming offense which I think has actually been underway and stymied with no progress OR the really BIG OR---Russian non linear warfare in the eastern Ukraine and the then resulting interstate war is over.


    http://maidantranslations.com/2015/0...freesavchenko/

    Dmitry Tymchuk: Military update 8.28

    Posted on August 30, 2015 by tilamuse

    Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Operational data from Information Resistance:

    Russian-terrorist troops in Donbas continue to actively fire at the positions of Ukrainian troops and civilian objects, using 120 mm mortars, 122 mm and 152 mm artillery, BM-21 “Grad” MLRS, and armored vehicles.

    Terrorists are no longer camouflaging the movement of armaments to their positions. The militants’ artillery units and armored vehicles march openly in the daytime, take their firing positions, and fire directly from “the first line [of the front].” During the last 24 hours, Russian-terrorist forces were especially active in the area of Donetsk and south of the city, as well as in the coastal areas.

    In particular, militants carried out artillery and mortar fire on landmarks and targets near Avdiivka (specifically, precision fire was conducted in the northern outskirts of the town and at the Avdiivka Coke [plant]) over the last 24 hours. Fire strikes from 120 mm mortars and BM-21 “Grad” MLRS were made on the positions of the ATO forces and civilian targets in the area of Opytne. In addition, attacks were carried out on the positions of Ukrainian troops between Kamyanka and Vesele, [settlements] north of Avdiivka. A short fire raid from 122 mm artillery was carried out on the northern outskirt of Novhorodske.

    Continuous terrorist fire attacks from small arms were observed in the area of Mar’inka – Krasnohorivka; in this area, the enemy also used 82 mm mortarts and AGS-17 automatic grenade launchers.

    In the vicinity of Starohnativka, Novohryhorivka, and Hranitne, terrorists carried out active artillery shelling during the past 24 hours, making repeated fire strikes on the advanced positions of Ukrainian troops using 122 mm and 152 mm cannon artillery. Two militant artillery groups are operating in this area, each group three batteries in strength; the IR group earlier reported about their concentration in the vicinity of Starolaspa and Krasnopillya (north of Telmanove).

    North of this area – towards Petrovske – Bohdanivka, terrorists have made three consecutive volleys from 152 mm artillery on the advanced positions of the ATO forces located in tactical depth. Two enemy artillery batteries were observed (overall, 10 weapons, half of them were ACS 2S3 “Akatsiya,” transferred earlier from Starobesheve).

    In the area of Mykolaivka, Chermalyk, and south of it, militants have actively employed several mortar units (both 82 mm and 120 mm mortars). 122 mm artillery was used to carry out fire strikes on the ATO forces’ positions in the vicinity of Orlivske, Lebedynske, and Pavlopil.


    Terrorists have actively used armored vehicles in several sections [of the front] (mostly armored fighting vehicles (AFV), predominantly BMP-1 and BMP-2). In particular, in the area of Pisky, two BMP-2 fired at the advanced positions of the ATO forces using their on-board weapons (30 mm automatic cannons) from camouflaged positions.

    North of Chermalyk and in the vicinity of Bila Kamyanka, fire strikes were made on the advanced positions of the ATO forces from BTR-80 and BMP-2; attempts to destroy Ukrainian troop outposts were also made using precision fire of 125 mm on-board tank canons.

    In the Artemivsk area, near the settlement of Luhanske, enemy tanks actively maneuvered in the first line under cover of 120 mm mortars, but only fired several single shots.

    Militants used two BMP-2 and 120 mm mortars on the stretch between Dacha and Zaitseve.

    In the area east of Stanytsia Luhanska (behind the settlement of Syze), militants shelled the advanced positions of Ukrainian troops from 152 mm artillery, and 120 mm and 82 mm mortars. Mortar fire was also carried out on targets near Staryi Aidar and Trokhizbenka.

    Militants heavily used AGS-17, RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades] and ZU-23-2 [howitzers] to fire on the positions of Ukrainian troops in the area of Orikhove – Krymske (including Novotoshkivka).

    Militants continue active implementation of the “a set of measures” aimed at “repelling” a mythical “offensive by Ukrainian troops.” The IR group has observed the arrival of two new terrorist battalion tactical groups “in the first line” [of the front]; [these groups] comprise mechanized infantry battalions reinforced with tanks and artillery. According to our data, another four battalion tactical groups are currently at various stages of preparation (one of them is being formed around a tank battalion).

    In addition, a motorized infantry company of militants (about 90 personnel) has been transferred to the area of Debaltseve for reinforcement; it is accompanied by 4 tanks and 11 ACVs [armored combat vehicles]. In addition, the company includes two 2B9 “Vasilek” mortars, a significant number of anti-tank weapons (RPGs and several anti-tank guided missile systems). This unit has an extremely low level of discipline and mismatched uniforms.

    Using the Bakhmut highway, the enemy transferred a four-cannon battery of 2A29 (MT-12) “Rapira” anti-tank guns, accompanied by a BRDM-2 and two BMP-2 armored vehicles, towards the settlement of Zholobok.

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