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    From now on, I'll post there any news and feeds about military actions in Ukraine, that take place anywhere except Donbsass.

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    На Великоберезнянщині військовий гелікоптер відкрив вогонь по бійцям Правого Сектору – ЗМІ
    Gunship attacked Right Sector fighters in Vel'ikoberezianski region, Transcarpathia, Western Ukraine.

    http://patrioty.org.ua/u-razi-shturm...u-mukachevomu/

    У разі штурму – відкривати вогонь на ураження!” – наказ бійцям ПС у Мукачевому
    Sturmabteilung fighters under Mukachevo is ready to shoot to kill, if anyone tries do attack them.

    Кримінально-олігархічний режим на чолі з Порошенко повністю повторив шлях режиму Януковича, проливши кров українських патріотів, що стали на заваді його кримінальним оборуткам в Закарпатті.
    translation: Criminal oligarchic regime led by Poroshenko completely mimics Yanukovych regime, shedding the blood of Ukrainian patriots who prevented his criminal activities in Transcarpathia.

    http://obozrevatel.com/crime/31928-v...vala-gorod.htm[/URL]

    Sturmabteilung in Mukachevo, Transcarpathia, seized a sports facility that belongs to a local strongman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    From now on, I'll post there any news and feeds about military actions in Ukraine, that take place anywhere except Donbsass.

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    Gunship attacked Right Sector fighters in Vel'ikoberezianski region, Transcarpathia, Western Ukraine.

    http://patrioty.org.ua/u-razi-shturm...u-mukachevomu/



    Sturmabteilung fighters under Mukachevo is ready to shoot to kill, if anyone tries do attack them.



    translation: Criminal oligarchic regime led by Poroshenko completely mimics Yanukovych regime, shedding the blood of Ukrainian patriots who prevented his criminal activities in Transcarpathia.

    http://obozrevatel.com/crime/31928-v...vala-gorod.htm[/URL]

    Sturmabteilung in Mukachevo, Transcarpathia, seized a sports facility that belongs to a local strongman.
    interesting use of the term "civil war" as that is exactly the same term Russian propaganda uses when talking about the Donbass--come on mirhond provide confirmation via social media of a "gunship being used"??

    there has been no reports via radar 24 of UA copters in the air in the last four days as they do not want to provoke the Russian mercenaries--only copter flights are right now medevac in nature and are announced via ATC that they are in fact medevac.

    get your facts correct.

    by the way you are far behind on this topic--social media open source analysis has been completed long before you posted this--you really do need to keep up with social media.

    Analysing the Mukacheve footage

    A good general timeline of events can be found here: We have a timeline of the Mukacheve crisis to help you understand what happened http...


    Mukacheve: Right Sector must have been lured into a trap

    In this blog I synchronised and analysed the several footage of the Right Sector incident in front of Antares Health Club. The quick impr...
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    http://antikor.com.ua/articles/53046..._na_zakarpatti

    Призываю всех своих БРАТЬЕВ ПО ОРУЖИЮ из ВСУ, Добробатов, Нацгвардии, СБУ, МВД, Погранслужбы не выполнять преступных приказов властных барыг.
    В то время, когда мы проливаем свою кровь защищая Родину, они наживают себе миллиардные состояния и делают все, чтобы эта война длилась как можно дольше.
    Вместе остановим предателей из высоких кабинетов на Банковой, которые хотят дестабилизировать ситуацию в тылу, сдать врагу наши территории, уничтожить добровольческий и волонтерское движения…
    Долой власть предателей!
    Revolution under siedge!
    Sturmabteilung Fuhrer, Dmitro Yarosh, calls his brothers in arms to resist and fight against the traitors from ruling regime.
    media outlet claims there is corresponding a post in Yarosh page on Facebook
    I can't just check it out in his Facebook page, for misterious reason O_o. If anyone could do it, it would be nice to crosscheck a source.
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    Lengthy Yarosh briefing, after Mukachevo incident

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnS5W0Zh264

    some good quotes:
    1:00 "I've warned the authorities - if they fail to bring law and order to the country - war veterans do it as they please"
    5:20 "Authorities tries to destroy our combat and civil structures, political organisations, but we fight back"
    8:50 "We see (I don't get the werb right, probably) system counter-revolution"
    12:15 "We are planning a huge action on Maidan" (21.07. )
    25:00 "Poroshenko does not fit into his post as a commander-in-chief and head of a state. I'll demand his step-out and dismission of Rada which is the puppet as it was before"
    I personally, take hat off to Yarosh, he is a real figure in politics, despite he is a wacko and cannibal.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LzsMiDjADQ

    RS recruiting post right next to the Rada door in Kiev. 13.07. I wonder if this post is still there?
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    http://pravyysektor.info/news/news/3...zradnikiv.html

    I can't get access to this page even via Tor (Right Sector site is banned for obvious reason), but the title speaks for itself:
    "Popular assembly on Maidan: Down with the traitors rule!"

    Looks like we'll see another round of Maidanness. : popcorn : :beer:
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    comrade mirhond--you now confirm exactly what we have been seeing from you for over a year now--you work for and operate under the FSB trolling operation and now have opened a SWJ agitprop comment section.

    go back to the first comment you made in which you talk about copter firing on RS.

    BTW a second check of Flight Radar 24 for the last week does not indicate a single copter in that located whatsoever.

    in the entire social media there is only one comment indicating a MI8 firing by MAX who just popped up on social media --wonder why now???--BUT and there is always a BUT---the photo shown shows no copter and a distance photo that cannot be geo tagged with a burning building that could be even in the Czech Republic.

    YOU do realize that this corner of the Ukraine is a major human trafficking crossing point and major smuggling center ie cigarettes to the tune of 2.1M USDs per week in 4 or 5 semi truck crossings and that has been going on for over one year now.

    YOU do realize the MP from that region is considered to be the local crime boss as well and you do realize that Russian news media after accusing RS of being Nazi's for over a year "cheered" their position on gay bashings and being against the Ukrainian President.

    YOU do realize that the Russian news media has "new darlings" to be used against the Ukraine--RS--just how did that happen suddenly???

    YOU do realize that the Ukrainian government literally swapped out overnight all Ukrainian Customs officials and replaced them with new officers from other Ukrainian crossing points---??

    YOU do realize there is a new governor of the region who is a massively hard hitter against crime, corruption and has a new State Security officer with him as well who has a anti corruption reputation.

    YOU do realize that RS lost the last election and did not even have a rep in the RADA??????

    so come on mirhond stop the agitprop you are wasting our time so you can build your trolling reputation with FSB.
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    Fortified position at #Mukacheve. You can't dig this in 10 minutes. Was planned operation to trap Right Sector. pic.twitter.com/jiVIMmoxJj

    Kind of rules out the local police story on how everything went down.

    But in fact the local police are part and parcel of the massive smuggling corruption in the region.

    mirhond--you forgot to mention in your comments that the 7th BN of the RS has joined/merged into Azov Regt and is currently fighting near Mariupol.

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    Ukraine. Well maybe when Russia is through with Ukraine they will turn right and come across the North German Plain.

    I mean Europe did want the US out of Europe, and Bush 1 declared a "peace dividend."

    Think we will stay out of this one and just watch. Next time be more appreciative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    From now on, I'll post there any news and feeds about military actions in Ukraine, that take place anywhere except Donbsass.

    http://goloskarpat.info/society/55aab0003e8ce/



    Gunship attacked Right Sector fighters in Vel'ikoberezianski region, Transcarpathia, Western Ukraine.

    http://patrioty.org.ua/u-razi-shturm...u-mukachevomu/



    Sturmabteilung fighters under Mukachevo is ready to shoot to kill, if anyone tries do attack them.



    translation: Criminal oligarchic regime led by Poroshenko completely mimics Yanukovych regime, shedding the blood of Ukrainian patriots who prevented his criminal activities in Transcarpathia.

    http://obozrevatel.com/crime/31928-v...vala-gorod.htm[/URL]

    Sturmabteilung in Mukachevo, Transcarpathia, seized a sports facility that belongs to a local strongman.
    From the Right Sector

    середа, 15 липня 2015 р.

    Battle in Mukachevo is the part of struggle against international mafia clan of Europe!

    Here is an answer for all "sceptics" and "independent analysts" to the question why the "Right Sector" start their struggle exactly against the Lanier's mafia clan, why the nationalists were armed and who controls local police. First we should answer the question of who is able to give the order for a military group to move through all the country to eliminate an armed gang of drug traffickers and smugglers?

    All the police, procurator and judges are controlled by local criminal leader and the member of Yanukovych's clan - Michael Lanier, byname "Bluck", who has a few hundreds gangsters in his clan, so called "Bluck`s brigade". And I`m talking about not only big cities like Uzhgorod or Mukachevo, I mean all cities of Transcarpathian region, moreover the "Bluck`s brigade" has a "branches" in a number of European countries - Kosice nad Bratislava in Slovakia or Brno, Teplice, Prague in Czech.

    In Mukachevo they produce "pervitin" (a tipe of drugs) for further delivering it in Europe. In Mukachevo city, Nizhne Vodiane and Seredne Vodiane villages they have producing a cigarettes for further smuggling into Europe. Blyuk also involved in transferring of illegal migrants across the Ukrainian border - a very profitable business! From 100 to 300 people ofr a mounth. This migrant trafic is going through our country and after Transcarpathian region it goes with one of two streams via Hungary or Slovakia and further to Europe including the UK.

    Also a large number of brothels in Slovakia on the border with Austria, the Czech Republic on the border with Germany in the cities of Cheb and Teplice belong to Lanier. This list is very long. His criminal clan have a several million dollars per months...

    This shootout in Mukachevo is not just an ordinary fight between the "Right Sector" and a criminal gang, but something that applies to whole Europe!
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    I have moved a few posts by Outlaw 09 that refer generally to the Ukrainian conflict to the main thread.

    If this thread is to be used for posts on the events away from the 'main front' along the eastern border in the Donbass, that is OK. I am not convinced this thread is about a 'civil war', it appears to be a new variant on organised crime -v- state authorities (and rivals).
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    An Open Democracy article by a Ukrainian on what happened. It ends with:
    ...according to surveys, only 3% of Ukrainian citizens share the radical views of Right Sector. Unfortunately, firearms can quickly compensate for a lack of popular support.
    Link:https://www.opendemocracy.net/valery...kraine-to-test
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    An Open Democracy article by a Ukrainian on what happened. It ends with:
    Link:https://www.opendemocracy.net/valery...kraine-to-test
    Here is the internal thinking of Ukrainians--they actually do listen to PS or Right Sector in English have to say--they have respect for them as a nationalist grouping who fought hard on the Maidan and walked away with a good Maidan reputation.

    But in the election did it translate into votes and representatives in the Rada--no ---as they did not cross the required percentage threshold and in a recent poll this week the RS leader only drew 7% potential votes as the Ukrainian President if elections were held now.

    But as a favorite Russian propaganda targeted group they are a big hit in Moscow because they are called Nazi's.

    But what they have focused themselves on ---namely massive corruption, the oligarch criminal gangs and leaders and the fiefdoms of the oligarchs echoes well with Ukrainians as for all of the reform laws that have been passed still no single oligarch/judge/police officer. State Security officer has landed in jail for their corruption and or outright theft of industries in the transition from the Soviet system to the Ukrainian model.

    There is also respect for their fighting abilities on the eastern front lines in the early days of 2014 against the mercenaries.

    But the article is right--there are weapons everywhere---even in St. Petersburg the Russia FSB just arrested a returning mercenary who had fought in a mercenary tank unit for having a large supply of explosives--this is whiplashing back on Russia as well.
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    вівторок, 21 липня 2015 р.


    "Right Sector" continue to fight drug trafficking in Kharkiv

    Another storehouse with poppy and chemical reagents, which are usually using for preparing of drug injections, was neutralised in Kharkiv on July 18 by the soldiers of the 15th "Right Sector" battalion in cooperation with comrades from the "Azov" regiment.

    About a three tones of materials for the manufacture of narcotic injections was found in a warehouse in result of search. Six cubes of drug injection can be made from one kilogram of these materials, that's enough for a drug addict to make three injections.

    To avoid insinuations, all the nationalists actions was carried in the presence of the press, who have fixed the visual evidence of storage and production of banned chemicals. Then the police and expert services was called to the storehouse for fixing the fact of crime.

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    BREAKING: Thousands of #RightSector activists rally in Kiev: Complain at being only fascists in #Europe not getting #Kremlin funding

    https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Intl/sta...46973661097984

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    Author argues that there is no civil war in the Ukraine but rather a Russian Ukrainian war.

    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.de/...ussia-now.html

    Thursday, July 23, 2015

    Having Launched a ‘Hybrid’ War, Russia Now has a ‘Hybrid’ Army, Babchenko Says

    Paul Goble

    Staunton, July 23 – Having launched a “hybrid” war giving it plausible deniability for many, Russia now has a “hybrid” army, a development that Moscow may not understand the full implications of and one that should give everyone pause, according to Russian commentator Arkady Babchenko. (kasparov.ru/material.php?id=55AFB6162F549).

    Babchenko notes that Moscow has insisted that between two-thirds and three-quarters of those fighting on the Russian side in Ukraine are local people, with the rest being Russian volunteers. Consequently, the Ukrainian conflict is “a civil war,” with “a certain people of the Donbas resisting colonization” by Kyiv (kasparov.ru/material.php?id=55AFB6162F549).

    All right, the analyst says, “let’s consider one aspect of this assertion, leaving aside all the rest,” including the fact that Russia has a troop concentration on the Ukrainian border comparable in size to the entire Ukrainian military, that units of that force have gone into Ukraine on occasion, and that they have fired from Russian territory unto Ukrainian land.

    And “let’s leave in peace even Crimea,” about which there are really “no more questions” because what is involved there is “annexation and occupation of the purest kind.”

    Instead, Babchenko says, “let’s consider a single argument: the existence of a certain mythical ‘people of the Donbas.’” Let’s even allow that “such an ethno-cultural group exists. Let’s not carp: there is a people of the Moscow region, there is a people of Northern Butovo; there is a people of Kuusinen Street, and so there is a people of the Donbas.”

    In that event and if we define “a people by its place of residence,” then there is no other possible conclusion except that “this is not a Ukrainian civil war.” Instead, “it is a Buryat-Ukrainian war, and also a Chechen-Ukrainian one, and also an Osetin-Ukrainian conflict; and yet again a Ekaterinburg-Ukrainian war.”

    (Those who say that “the people of Ekaterinburg” are too few to count forget that the number of people fighting on Moscow’s side in the Donbas is much smaller than their total, he points out.)

    But if one comes to the obvious conclusion that the definition of the sides in the war according to “a mythical people or more precisely the place of the recruiting of the combatants is not possible, then one is driven to the very simple conclusion: “Russian began this war. Russia occupied part of the territory of a neighboring country.”


    Moreover, Babchenko continues, “Russia sent in diversionary groups and changed the governments, Russian formed the new institutions of power. Russia supplied arms.” Russia even provided uniforms and badges. Indeed, he writes, “having adopted the strategy of hybrid wars as its main principle, Russia itself has in effect transformed its own army into a hybrid one as well.
    “The Donets militia is thus part of the hybrid Russian army which is distinguished from all the other parts of [Russia’s] hybrid army only by the fact that it is recruited on the territory of the Donbas,” something which has “exactly the same significance as if it were recruited in Buryatia or Kamyshlov or South Osetia.”

    That is, precisely, “nothing” because the militants recruited on the territory of Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts are “UNITS OF THE RUSSIAN ARMY.” And consequently, just as the recruiting of Russian soldiers in Buryatia doesn’t make this war a Buryat-Ukrainian one, so too, recruiting them in the Donbas doesn’t make it a Ukrainian civil war.

    Consequently, Babchenko concludes, what is taking place, even if some won’t admit it, is nothing other than “a Russian-Ukrainian war.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    comrade mirhond--you now confirm exactly what we have been seeing from you for over a year now--you work for and operate under the FSB trolling operation and now have opened a SWJ agitprop comment section.

    go back to the first comment you made in which you talk about copter firing on RS.

    BTW a second check of Flight Radar 24 for the last week does not indicate a single copter in that located whatsoever.

    in the entire social media there is only one comment indicating a MI8 firing by MAX who just popped up on social media --wonder why now???--BUT and there is always a BUT---the photo shown shows no copter and a distance photo that cannot be geo tagged with a burning building that could be even in the Czech Republic.

    YOU do realize that this corner of the Ukraine is a major human trafficking crossing point and major smuggling center ie cigarettes to the tune of 2.1M USDs per week in 4 or 5 semi truck crossings and that has been going on for over one year now.

    YOU do realize the MP from that region is considered to be the local crime boss as well and you do realize that Russian news media after accusing RS of being Nazi's for over a year "cheered" their position on gay bashings and being against the Ukrainian President.

    YOU do realize that the Russian news media has "new darlings" to be used against the Ukraine--RS--just how did that happen suddenly???

    YOU do realize that the Ukrainian government literally swapped out overnight all Ukrainian Customs officials and replaced them with new officers from other Ukrainian crossing points---??

    YOU do realize there is a new governor of the region who is a massively hard hitter against crime, corruption and has a new State Security officer with him as well who has a anti corruption reputation.

    YOU do realize that RS lost the last election and did not even have a rep in the RADA??????

    so come on mirhond stop the agitprop you are wasting our time so you can build your trolling reputation with FSB.
    1. new regional governor appointed
    2. new SBU officer appointed for the region
    3. local all powerful police chief fired and replaced
    4. all border customs officers fired and new ones assigned to their positions
    5. new mobile police force to be trained as was in Kyiv and Odessa
    5. the Ukrainian local crime boss/Ukrainian RADA MP flees the country

    PRESTO:

    Moskal: RO and HU customs, border guard, police reps report considerable decrease in smuggling from UA in past 10days http://moskal.in.ua/?categoty=news&news_id=1906

    it really is all about systemic corruption in everything from the old Soviet Ukrainian days.

    remember the escaped crime boss was making between 1.2 to 4M USDs per week on smuggling of cigarettes alone not counting the human trafficking side of the house.
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