Understanding Indian Insurgencies

[Ray]

I marvel at the way Mansoor Ijaz set the cat amongst the pigeons in Memogate and claimed that it was to leash the ISI and the Army.

He, to use an Americanism, spoke from both sides of his mouth!

A good WOG!

As they say in Punjabi - Ai bhi wah wah, tan bhi wah wah!

[Backwards Observer]

Western media tool Noam Chomsky speaks briefly on Kashmir:

SP - Prof Chomsky, Arundhati Roy was pressed with sedition charges for speaking on Kashmiri people’s right to self-determination. What is your take on self-determination, especially in the context of Kashmir?

NC - First I should say that Arundhati Roy should be greatly honored in India as a symbol of what could be great about the country. The fact that she is being charged with Sedition is utter outrage. And the anger and hatred that’s being organized against her is a real disgrace. But that’s Arundhati Roy, a marvelous person.

With regard to Kashmir, problems go back to the Partition. And there is plenty of responsibility on all sides. Keeping to India, India, of course refused to allow the referendum that was a condition on partition. (Thus, India) essentially took over the territory and (subsequent) conflict led to a Line of Control. There has been plenty of repression and violence. In late 1980’s there was an election but it was totally fraudulent. It led to an uprising which was put down with extreme violence. Tens of thousands of people have been killed in the Indian controlled areas of Kashmir. Tortures, atrocities have been pretty horrible.

Noam Chomsky on the Situation in Africa and the Middle East - Infoshop News - Mar 27, 2011.

[Ray]

Chomsky is an old man.

We respect age, but not necessarily the views.

Arundhuti Roy is a nice person.

She gives a very lurid and pornographic impression of her mother in her book, which made her a One Book Wonder.

She requires to remain relevant and what better than being fashionably pandering to 'India being a country where the half naked natives scamper in the bush'.

Chomsky is a western media tool? You live in China to believe that?

But then China is such a paragon of virtues!

[Ray]

I do hope you know the parameters of the Plebiscite.

If it is fulfilled, then lets have one!

Be good enough to fish out what Chomsky has to say of the US and China.

[Ray]

Backward,

In three resolutions, the UN Security Council and the United Nations Commission in India and Pakistan recommended that as already agreed by Indian and Pakistani leaders, a plebiscite should be held to determine the future allegiance of the entire state.

As a prerequisite they required Pakistani nationals and tribesmen, who had come to fight in Kashmir, be withdrawn.

Plebiscite abandoned

But in the 1950s, the Indian Government distanced itself from its commitment to hold a plebiscite.

This was firstly because Pakistani forces had not been withdrawn and secondly because elections affirming the state's status as part of India had been held.

I am quoting from BBC - the western media which seems to be your staple!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1766582.stm

It is time to educate oneself before commenting!

[Ray]

In late 1980’s there was an election but it was totally fraudulent.

It is all about perceptions.

The country that is the champion of Freedom and Democracy and which hectors all, also was said to have elected its President in a fraudulent way.

Bush and Florida where his brother was the Governor! Fraudulent and rigging and nepotism?

What do you say on that?

US may have reconciled to it, but we feel it was a wholesale fraud.

And if we controlled the world media and opinion as the US does, it would stick and become the Gospel Truth!

So, one has to use one's insight to realise what is the reality and what is fantasy.

Even Putin is being bamboozled for fraud on the recent election.

So, only the western countries are the real second coming of Jesus?

I wonder what Mao said. He said the Chinese are frogs in the well!

He maybe hailed as the Great Helmsman by the subservient Chinese honed into submission by the Theory of Legalism, but is he correct?

Maybe you would be delighted if the world (except China) had leader like that drunken Yeltsin, who for a bottle of vodka would sell his country!

[Dayuhan]

And if we controlled the world media and opinion as the US does, it would stick and become the Gospel Truth!

If the US controls world opinion, how come everybody thinks we're assholes? Just sayin', you know... it seems like a strange way to use control. You'd think we'd use that control to make somebody somewhere like us. Maybe it's all part of some Grand Sinister Conspiracy.

So, one has to use one's insight to realise what is the reality and what is fantasy.

And of course one's insight is invariably free of prejudice and preconception...

So, only the western countries are the real second coming of Jesus?

Neither Jesus nor Satan, just another bunch of clumsy folks trying to get by and occasionally making a mess. Doesn't seem so hard to figure that out, unless you really really want to see one extreme or the other.