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    This seems to show that the only thing missing onthe ground was the tail:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-up-in-mid-air

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    This seems to show that the only thing missing onthe ground was the tail:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-up-in-mid-air
    Interesting that the owner of the aircraft today has "lanced" the thought that there was something more at work that engine problems.

    Might simply be CYA on their part to coverup any poor maintenance on the aircraft BUT more international airlines are no longer flying over the crash area and they have not clearly stated why that is??

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    My guess is they are not flying over the Sinai for illogical reasons, the seats just can't be sold, and they have to show due diligence on being "careful".

    No matter the final determination of the cause, this is going to tank tourism even further and hurt Sisi. Cairo bookings are already in the crapper and the bombing of the Mexican convoy in the desert was bad but somewhat manageable through PR spin.

    The Egyptians, Airbus, Russians, and EU onlookers are all going to press for a conclusive determination of the cause and a very public release of the results.

    If it turns out an engine took a dump or the airframe split, Sisi will demand that the word gets out in order to deflect any concerns of insurgent action in his country. He'll play the Russians to ensure they release those details if that's how it shakes out. Russia can point a finger at Airbus and blame the OEM.

    If it turns out to be terrorism, Airbus will be all over that to prove its aircraft was airworthy.

    The Russian government has little to lose, no matter how this plays out, so it's pretty even odds that the cause will be released, if it can be conclusively determined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    My guess is they are not flying over the Sinai for illogical reasons, the seats just can't be sold, and they have to show due diligence on being "careful".

    No matter the final determination of the cause, this is going to tank tourism even further and hurt Sisi. Cairo bookings are already in the crapper and the bombing of the Mexican convoy in the desert was bad but somewhat manageable through PR spin.

    The Egyptians, Airbus, Russians, and EU onlookers are all going to press for a conclusive determination of the cause and a very public release of the results.

    If it turns out an engine took a dump or the airframe split, Sisi will demand that the word gets out in order to deflect any concerns of insurgent action in his country. He'll play the Russians to ensure they release those details if that's how it shakes out. Russia can point a finger at Airbus and blame the OEM.

    If it turns out to be terrorism, Airbus will be all over that to prove its aircraft was airworthy.

    The Russian government has little to lose, no matter how this plays out, so it's pretty even odds that the cause will be released, if it can be conclusively determined.
    The really interesting piece of info is that the trail sectuion broke cleanly from the aircraft---the same place had when it was flown by another airline a recent "tailstrike" on landing that was completely repaired--the photo of the tail section shows a truly clean break all around that repair--almost a perfect separation.

    A German air investigator is speculating either the repair failed or a bomb in the rear luggage section would have caused the tail section to cleanly separate as well as that was the weakest point in the airframe. He went on to state that this area is normally one of the strongest points in the Airbus construction. He is pointing to a potential repair failure as the tail section was almost intact but would not rule out a bomb.

    Russia media #TASS:
    Technical "inspection of the aircraft did not take place b4 its flight"
    https://archive.is/BjjVH pic.twitter.com/Ran2rmwEYN
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 11-02-2015 at 06:03 PM.

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    Putin's delayed reaction is a sign there is still uncertainty over what caused the plane to break up mid-air.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/541492.html

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    Life News has the reputation in eastern Ukraine as being the "LieNews"--still this comment is interesting in itself...........

    Lifenews: "medical forensic report shows passengers sitting in back died from explosion, 90% of body surface burned"
    http://lifenews.ru/news/167897

    Would suggest a bomb onboard.....in the rear luggage area or in someone's take on luggage..

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    But bombs going off in cargo holds don't necessarily cause flash burn injuries.

    Exploding fuel might cause that, and when you look at the photos of the airframe wreckage on the ground (sans the tail section), it looks like components immediately surrounding and aft of the engines burned to some extent.

    The more logical explanation is that a large chunk of the airframe impacted the ground intact and either burst into flame or continued to burn after igniting at some higher altitude. That's where they got the burns.

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