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    The US has determined that it must exercise control over the political out come of Afghanistan to make itself safe, and based on that decision they have tied the nation to an impossible task and have thereby elevated and extended violence in Afghanistan by elevating the Northern Alliance into power unnaturally, and equally unnaturally sustained them there; and have facilitated tremendous instability in Pakistan in the actions and expectations we have placed upon them to support this Quixotic quest of ours.

    The Chaos we have created is arguably good for India, as it serves to weaken Pakistan and has created opportunities for India to envelop Pakistan in Afghanistan. But that also disrupts the balance of nuclear deterrence and could lead to catastrophic miscalculations by either or both of the parities.

    We have chaos now. Dangerous chaos. And it is from misguided attempts to control things that should not be, and perhaps cannot be, controlled.
    You say we have facilitated instability in Pakistan. The Pak Army/ISI are playing a double game by sponsoring and supporting the Afghan Taliban & Co.. From what I read they are pretty careful not to upset the Pak Army/ISI because they could not succeed without that support. They don't make trouble in Pakistan. The Pak Army/ISI supports them to insure "strategic depth" for its own odd purposes. So how does all that translate into our actions facilitating instability in Pakistan?

    Also how does something that advantages India, disadvantage us? India has its problems but if you are looking for allies, India is vastly superior; and they don't take our money and kill Americans with it.

    And I don't understand how India can "envelop" Pakistan in Afghanistan. They surely aren't going to base an armored corps there to make a "cold start" easier. The use of the word "envelop" in that context is as strange as "strategic depth".

    If India did "envelop" Pakistan in Afghanistan, how does that alter the balance of nuclear deterrence? Pakistan's nukes aren't based in Jalalbad. I don't see how it would change a thing.

    Last question, aren't the Pak Army/ISI's actions in Afghanistan being taken because it "has determined that it must exercise control over the political out come of Afghanistan to make itself safe"?
    Last edited by carl; 04-26-2012 at 02:05 PM. Reason: I forgot something.
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