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    Interestingly Swift lack of explosive hull damage.
    C-802 is Chinese copy Exocet-ASM with a very unreliable fuse-Sheffield,Atlantic Conveyor and Stark all unexploded!!!
    Really perfect copy.
    add RCS Centric seeker-In every angle is different RCS

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    Updated analysis of attack on Swift off - still C802 missile via Iran. #Yemen
    http://www.hisutton.com/HVS-2%20Swift%20hit.html#

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    A U.S. destroyer off the coast of #Yemen was targeted with two missiles tonight by the #Iran-backed Houthis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishonesty View Post
    C-802 is Chinese copy Exocet-ASM...
    Minor correction here: it's the C.701 that was a direct copy of the Exocet.

    The C.802 is turbojet powered, and has quite a few other enhancements.

    The article by H I Sutton posted above is quite good in this regards - and showing too, that the Houthi/Saleh military conglomerate needs no 'Iranian arms supplies' for such stuff.

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    Default Update!!!

    ASM Coutermeasure USS Mason:
    2 missiles Standard SM-2
    1 missile ESSM
    1 Nulka-expandable active RF jammer
    ASM probably not shot down


    https://news.usni.org/2016/10/11/uss...issiles-attack

    Looks like a beautiful place

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    Houthi rebels fired two more cruise missiles at the guided-missile destroyer USS Mason (DDG-87) on Wednesday and Pentagon officials are pledging a response.

    https://news.usni.org/2016/10/12/pen...ss-mason-yemen


    It sound good.But who is in command?
    Pentagon? CNO? CinC CENT?
    No,it is POTUS.

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    BREAKING: U.S. launches strikes in Yemen after missiles aimed at American ships twice this week
    http://nbcnews.to/2dNJhRn

    Missiles were at onshore radar stations that were involved in the missiles being fired at the US destroyer.

    Again back to the recent KSA attack on a funeral.....STILL no photos of civilians ie women and children normally associated to a Muslim funeral....ALL killed and or wounded were military aged men and almost all were military either from Saleh and or the Houthi's....

    NOTICE after a sharp rebuke by the US of KSA for the air strike the US has gone extremely silent in their comments when the depth of the number of Generals and COLs....killed or wounded became known....

    This was not your "normal funeral".....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishonesty View Post
    Houthi rebels fired two more cruise missiles at the guided-missile destroyer USS Mason (DDG-87) on Wednesday and Pentagon officials are pledging a response.

    https://news.usni.org/2016/10/12/pen...ss-mason-yemen


    It sound good.But who is in command?
    Pentagon? CNO? CinC CENT?
    No,it is POTUS.
    From my POV, this is a complete madness - but then perfectly in line with all the idiotic foreign policy decisions of the POTUS and the Pentagon in recent years.

    In essence, they're behaving like small kids, playing with (billion-dollar) toys - and the situation can easily escalate.

    Namely, the US military MUST KNOW what's going on in Yemen. It had its troops present there until March last year, and its intel services are following the situation ever since. If they don't know exactly who-is-who there, they should all get fired at the spot (and court-martialled too).

    They know the Houthi/Saleh alliance very much has a strong central military authority. They know this alliance has its own Minister of Defence, its own commanders of Military Regions. Most of brigade-commanders that sided with Houthis/Ansar Allah are still in command (as far as not KIA meanwhile, of course). They (the US intel) knows the Houthi/Saleh alliance took over 60% of the Yemen Army, nearly 95% of the Yemen Air Force, 100% of the Special Forces Command, 100% of the Missile Forces Command, 100% of the Presidential Protection Force, about 70% of the Yemen Navy as these were as of March 2015. They know these have taken over the command and control of all of these too. Considering they are successfully resisting the onslaught of the Saudi-led military alliance since 18 months means that they (Houthi/Saleh alliance) have a (very much!) functioning chain of command.

    Furthermore, they must know that the Houthi ideology is including a strong anti-US, anti-Israel, and anti-Saudi stance. Saleh's ideology is similar: back in 1990, he was supportive of Iraq, and very much anti-US. This didn't change that much until he was removed in 2011. Lately, he has repeatedly requested help from his old ally - Moscow. So, no surprise if - in essence - they all (Houthi/Saleh) see themselves at war with some sort of US-supported, 'Saudi-Zionist' invasion (just citing their own statements). This means that from their POV, the USA was 'always involved in aggression on Yemen' (i.e. on the side of the Saudi-led alliance bombing 'Hothis'), regardless if directly or indirectly. And, hand at heart, this is correct too - although the USA have so far never fired at 'Hothis' as such.

    This means that on strategic plan, attacks on USN warships are nothing that could be assigned to some sort of 'weak central military authority' or 'regional commanders seeking martial prowess'. However, the US intel and military MUST know too, that these attacks can take place only within a limited zone along the western coast of Yemen (the part of that coast in the Red Sea): they are anything but 'endangering international shipping in the Bad al-Mandeb Strait'.

    Another aspect is rather 'tactical' by nature: coast-based surface-search radars used by the Houthi/Saleh alliance are not the best available. And even if, they have no means of positively identifying what are they trying to attack with anti-ship missiles. In essence: they are targeting 'radar blips' on their displays, whatever these are.

    If the blip on the other side turns out to be a USN warship... well, it's not the Houthi/Saleh to blame.

    And versa-vice: the USN very much knows what is on the other side. Thanks to far superior means of intelligence gathering and insight into who-is-who on the other side, it has far superior situational awareness. It knows what the Saudi-led alliance is actually doing in Saudi Arabia, too. And it is still sending its ships into the harm's way.

    Bottom line: a 'blip' enters the range of surface search radars operated by Houthi/Saleh coalition; their local commanders are authorised to open fire; they fire. That's all.

    So, why then send USN warships there and steer in the literal 'hornet's next'? What's the purpose of such an action?

    ...except with the purpose of a provocation?

    This is idiotic foreign policy 1st class, nothing else, and the only idiot responsible for it is Oblabla: he has ordered USN warships into the combat zone, and it is him who is as stupid as to oversee that what he has ordered could easily turn into another Tonking Gulf Incident.

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    I have merged the small thread on a UAE ship hit by a Houthi SSM, which had 1321 views, into the main thread. Accordingly those posts are no longer in sequence, but it is clear what they are

    The consequences of the SSM strike are now being played out way beyond that piece of sea and rock.
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    The BBC report cruise missiles fired from USN ship(s) at land targets, radar stations:
    It marks the first time the US has fired at rebel targets since the start of the Yemen conflict in March 2015.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37639565

    The Soufan Group have a longer commentary:http://soufangroup.com/tsg-intelbrie...back-in-yemen/

    I do wonder if the Houthi's and allies knew the radar blips were USN ships, knowing firing at USN ships surely would be unwise.
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