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    Sanaa: No women or children were killed by KSA airstrikes in #Sanaa yesterday. All footage shows killed #Houthi-militias or #Saleh-soldiers.

    Even the US seems to have not thoroughly checked the open source video footages in the public domain before they openly take KSA to task publicly.....

    Social media was already saying there were no children and or women being seen in the videos....

    Sanaa: War criminal #Saleh calling on his militias to attack #Saudi_Arabia. Airstrikes hit his fighters yesterday.

    Yemen Saleh: All of our sons & fighters must head immediately to take revenge by escalating armed attacks in the borders with #Saudi
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    Updated analysis of attack on Swift off - still C802 missile via Iran. #Yemen
    http://www.hisutton.com/HVS-2%20Swift%20hit.html#

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Sanaa: No women or children were killed by KSA airstrikes in #Sanaa yesterday. All footage shows killed #Houthi-militias or #Saleh-soldiers.

    Even the US seems to have not thoroughly checked the open source video footages in the public domain before they openly take KSA to task publicly.....

    Social media was already saying there were no children and or women being seen in the videos....

    Sanaa: War criminal #Saleh calling on his militias to attack #Saudi_Arabia. Airstrikes hit his fighters yesterday.

    Yemen Saleh: All of our sons & fighters must head immediately to take revenge by escalating armed attacks in the borders with #Saudi
    NOTICE...several days after this so called horrific air strike which the Iranians, Saleh, and Yemeni's Shia are complain in about AND after the massive verbal push back of the US against KSA.....NOTICE still not a single photo of a killed woman and or child....ALL military aged men were the targets...

    Sanaa: List of high-ranking pro-#Houthi and pro-#Saleh forces, killed or injured by airstrikes on #Sanaa on October 8th, 2016.

    IF one is to analyze this strike carefully it appears to have the markings of a "surgical strike" against high ranking Houthi and Saleh forces......

    IF one looks at the list of killed and or wounded....the initial list BTW.....18 Generals and 6 COLs are on it.....appears to me to have been a very well thought out "surgical strike"...catching just about the entire senior leadership of the Houthi and Saleh forces....

    THEN the KSA has learned from the Russians in Syria....."it ain't us".....

    CORE question would be WHY is the Obama/Rhodes/Kerry WH so upset with KSA for trying to end the Shia coup attempt .....
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    ACTUALLY is one takes the time to analyze the strike and the US did not and it succumbed to media pressure when they reacted...REMEMBER the Obama WH in it's 20,000 word interview comments ......would like nothing more than to ditch the KSA....

    BUT in a similar situation WHERE the US jumped the gun and did admit that they had bombed so called Assad forces....AND where they offered to pay compensation to the families NOT A SINGLE name has been submitted by the Assad/Putin regime.


    REMEMBER Obama and Kerry jumped the gun in order to not "offend the Russians" who they thought were negotiating in good faith...which they were not......

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    A U.S. destroyer off the coast of #Yemen was targeted with two missiles tonight by the #Iran-backed Houthis.

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    A U.S. destroyer off the coast of #Yemen was targeted with two missiles tonight by the #Iran-backed Houthis.

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    Aerial footage shows that the funeral hall in #Yemen was hit with two accurate strikes - @HussainBukhaiti

    NOTICE the actual strikes were bombs not cluster munitions as the Houthi and Saleh people first reported....
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    Yemen: #Saudi special forces & warplanes have killed 50+ #Houthi militias & destroyed several heavy artillery in #Yemen's mountains today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishonesty View Post
    C-802 is Chinese copy Exocet-ASM...
    Minor correction here: it's the C.701 that was a direct copy of the Exocet.

    The C.802 is turbojet powered, and has quite a few other enhancements.

    The article by H I Sutton posted above is quite good in this regards - and showing too, that the Houthi/Saleh military conglomerate needs no 'Iranian arms supplies' for such stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    IF one is to analyze this strike carefully it appears to have the markings of a "surgical strike" against high ranking Houthi and Saleh forces......
    It was nothing else than exactly that: a surgical strike on a big group of top ranking officers and officials of the Ansar Allah and Saleh-loyal elements of the military.

    The number of those confirmed KIA is meanwhile at 62 military personnl - all of them high or at least mid-ranking officers, including 29 generals. Below an updated list.

    55 bodies remain unidentified.

    With other words (and while I 'insist' on not attempting to 'defend' Saudis for what they've done elsewhere in Yemen) comparing this attack with anything that's going on in Syria is either hysterical BS, or Assadist/Putler/IRGC nonsense.
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    Default Update!!!

    ASM Coutermeasure USS Mason:
    2 missiles Standard SM-2
    1 missile ESSM
    1 Nulka-expandable active RF jammer
    ASM probably not shot down


    https://news.usni.org/2016/10/11/uss...issiles-attack

    Looks like a beautiful place

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    Houthi rebels fired two more cruise missiles at the guided-missile destroyer USS Mason (DDG-87) on Wednesday and Pentagon officials are pledging a response.

    https://news.usni.org/2016/10/12/pen...ss-mason-yemen


    It sound good.But who is in command?
    Pentagon? CNO? CinC CENT?
    No,it is POTUS.

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    BREAKING: U.S. launches strikes in Yemen after missiles aimed at American ships twice this week
    http://nbcnews.to/2dNJhRn

    Missiles were at onshore radar stations that were involved in the missiles being fired at the US destroyer.

    Again back to the recent KSA attack on a funeral.....STILL no photos of civilians ie women and children normally associated to a Muslim funeral....ALL killed and or wounded were military aged men and almost all were military either from Saleh and or the Houthi's....

    NOTICE after a sharp rebuke by the US of KSA for the air strike the US has gone extremely silent in their comments when the depth of the number of Generals and COLs....killed or wounded became known....

    This was not your "normal funeral".....

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    The WIB (I know, most do not consider that blog a 'particularly authoritative source'), released my short introduction/summary about the Yemen War, yesterday, under the title:

    Much of What You Think You Know About the Yemen War#… Is#Wrong
    With the latest spate of air strikes, civilian massacres and ballistic-missile attacks on Saudi Arabia and a U.S. Navy warship, the seemingly endless war in Yemen has worked its way back into the headlines.

    Many foreign observers, however, remain frankly befuddled by the conflict. And for good reason. It’s#… complicated. And misinformation abounds.

    The truth is that Yemen’s government lacks popular support. Its military has largely sided with the insurgents. Iran probably plays very little role. And the terrorists in Yemen are, at best, a side show to the main fighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishonesty View Post
    Houthi rebels fired two more cruise missiles at the guided-missile destroyer USS Mason (DDG-87) on Wednesday and Pentagon officials are pledging a response.

    https://news.usni.org/2016/10/12/pen...ss-mason-yemen


    It sound good.But who is in command?
    Pentagon? CNO? CinC CENT?
    No,it is POTUS.
    From my POV, this is a complete madness - but then perfectly in line with all the idiotic foreign policy decisions of the POTUS and the Pentagon in recent years.

    In essence, they're behaving like small kids, playing with (billion-dollar) toys - and the situation can easily escalate.

    Namely, the US military MUST KNOW what's going on in Yemen. It had its troops present there until March last year, and its intel services are following the situation ever since. If they don't know exactly who-is-who there, they should all get fired at the spot (and court-martialled too).

    They know the Houthi/Saleh alliance very much has a strong central military authority. They know this alliance has its own Minister of Defence, its own commanders of Military Regions. Most of brigade-commanders that sided with Houthis/Ansar Allah are still in command (as far as not KIA meanwhile, of course). They (the US intel) knows the Houthi/Saleh alliance took over 60% of the Yemen Army, nearly 95% of the Yemen Air Force, 100% of the Special Forces Command, 100% of the Missile Forces Command, 100% of the Presidential Protection Force, about 70% of the Yemen Navy as these were as of March 2015. They know these have taken over the command and control of all of these too. Considering they are successfully resisting the onslaught of the Saudi-led military alliance since 18 months means that they (Houthi/Saleh alliance) have a (very much!) functioning chain of command.

    Furthermore, they must know that the Houthi ideology is including a strong anti-US, anti-Israel, and anti-Saudi stance. Saleh's ideology is similar: back in 1990, he was supportive of Iraq, and very much anti-US. This didn't change that much until he was removed in 2011. Lately, he has repeatedly requested help from his old ally - Moscow. So, no surprise if - in essence - they all (Houthi/Saleh) see themselves at war with some sort of US-supported, 'Saudi-Zionist' invasion (just citing their own statements). This means that from their POV, the USA was 'always involved in aggression on Yemen' (i.e. on the side of the Saudi-led alliance bombing 'Hothis'), regardless if directly or indirectly. And, hand at heart, this is correct too - although the USA have so far never fired at 'Hothis' as such.

    This means that on strategic plan, attacks on USN warships are nothing that could be assigned to some sort of 'weak central military authority' or 'regional commanders seeking martial prowess'. However, the US intel and military MUST know too, that these attacks can take place only within a limited zone along the western coast of Yemen (the part of that coast in the Red Sea): they are anything but 'endangering international shipping in the Bad al-Mandeb Strait'.

    Another aspect is rather 'tactical' by nature: coast-based surface-search radars used by the Houthi/Saleh alliance are not the best available. And even if, they have no means of positively identifying what are they trying to attack with anti-ship missiles. In essence: they are targeting 'radar blips' on their displays, whatever these are.

    If the blip on the other side turns out to be a USN warship... well, it's not the Houthi/Saleh to blame.

    And versa-vice: the USN very much knows what is on the other side. Thanks to far superior means of intelligence gathering and insight into who-is-who on the other side, it has far superior situational awareness. It knows what the Saudi-led alliance is actually doing in Saudi Arabia, too. And it is still sending its ships into the harm's way.

    Bottom line: a 'blip' enters the range of surface search radars operated by Houthi/Saleh coalition; their local commanders are authorised to open fire; they fire. That's all.

    So, why then send USN warships there and steer in the literal 'hornet's next'? What's the purpose of such an action?

    ...except with the purpose of a provocation?

    This is idiotic foreign policy 1st class, nothing else, and the only idiot responsible for it is Oblabla: he has ordered USN warships into the combat zone, and it is him who is as stupid as to oversee that what he has ordered could easily turn into another Tonking Gulf Incident.

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    Default U.S. Strikes Yemen Sites in Retaliation for Missile Launches

    U.S. Strikes Yemen Sites in Retaliation for Missile Launches

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    I have merged the small thread on a UAE ship hit by a Houthi SSM, which had 1321 views, into the main thread. Accordingly those posts are no longer in sequence, but it is clear what they are

    The consequences of the SSM strike are now being played out way beyond that piece of sea and rock.
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    The BBC report cruise missiles fired from USN ship(s) at land targets, radar stations:
    It marks the first time the US has fired at rebel targets since the start of the Yemen conflict in March 2015.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37639565

    The Soufan Group have a longer commentary:http://soufangroup.com/tsg-intelbrie...back-in-yemen/

    I do wonder if the Houthi's and allies knew the radar blips were USN ships, knowing firing at USN ships surely would be unwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    I do wonder if the Houthi's and allies knew the radar blips were USN ships, knowing firing at USN ships surely would be unwise.
    Let's clearly define one thing: 'Houthis' is used for the group that's naming itself the 'Ansar Allah'. A Zaidi Shi'a religious militant group of about 20,000, coming from north-western Yemen.

    Their 'hard core' is meanwhile quite well-organized (into two 'battalions', that are including some armour and heavy weapons), but has absolutely no clue about such things like 'radars' and even less so about 'guided missiles'.

    Units operating anti-ship missiles used for these strikes are those of the Yemeni Navy, about 50% of which sided with Houthis. That's so because officers and sailors in question are predominantly Zaidi Shi'a too, or loyalists to former president Saleh (himself a Zaidi Shi'a, and confirmed two times through free elections in that position, contrary to certain 'internationally recognized' president Hadi).

    So, the Yemeni Navy people in question have taken C.801s 'left over' from Chinese-supplied Type-021 fast missile craft, and adapted them for operations from the coast.

    I've got no clue what kind of radar are they using for obtaining targeting intelligence, but I doubt it's any kind of a type with an integrated IFF-system. Which means that they have no clue what are they shooting at: they're shooting at 'blips' on their radar displays.

    When considering this, one should keep in mind that the Yemeni coast is under a sea blockade declared by the Saudi-led coalition since March 2015. Everybody knows this, and this means: nobody is as crazy as to move any kind of bigger vessels close to that coast - except Saudis and their allies. So much about Yemeni 'IFF' (validity of which is confirmed alone by the fact that so far they did not launch a single attack on any kind of '3rd party', 'neutral' vessels, especially none of so many merchants passing by).

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    Sounds familiar? This is #Yemen, not #Donbas. The "#Houthi rebels" now have anti-ship cruise missiles & "radar sites". All from hunting shop located just around the corner......

    JUST as the "miners and truck drivers" in Donbas suddenly were producing 700 Russian tanks of the T72/80 variety, drove over 1200 IFVs and were able to man over 1000 pieces of artillery and MLRSs......

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