Syria in 2016: an exchange on what to do

[mwe12]

Moderator's Note

(From Post 18 29th January) I have created this new thread to enable the exchange between Outlaw09 and mwe12 to continue - separate from the main Syria thread.

Both are Americans, one inside the Beltway and the other in Berlin. That does not exclude others from the exchange, as Crowbat too has added a post.(Ends)

Biden calls PKK a terrorist group. Meanwhile, U.S. arms YPG, which is just PKK on the other side of the border

The Kurds hire great lobbyists in DC. They have done a much better job to hide the stink from Western readers, than say the Muslim Brotherhood has.

Not exactly sure how much longer the KSA, Turkey and Pakistan will remain quiet over the unending videos coming out ot the ME depiciting Shia militia torturing, killing and otherwsie committing war crimes on the Sunni populations in both Iraq and Syria.......

The Saudis fund people to lop off heads and put civilians in cages, they like to cluster bomb weddings, and couldn't beat a drum. Pakistan, which has never won a war, isn't much better and can't afford to get bogged down away from the LOC, and Turkey has a PKK problem.

Last time I checked JaN has never uttered a single threat against the US nor carried out any attack agains the West besides in some aspects Russia is a far greater existential threat to the US than JaN will ever be.......

JAN, a terrorist group, is AQ's local franchise; if someone from the US tried to join it they would end up in a federal prison. Franchise of the same outfit which murdered three thousand Americans one morning. Hell if an American tried to join much of the anti-Assad coalition they would get snatched off an airplane and put into the pavement so quick their head would spin. It's an insult to the victims of 9/11 that we aren't drone striking them on a daily basis.

There is the old IR concept that if one country knows exactly what is ongoing in another ie the ongoing genocide in Syria and says and or does nothing then they are as complicit as those that carry out the genocide.

Imaginary concept, which would blame Costa Rica and Cambodia for not sending troops. And this isn't a genocide.

Somehow US foreign policy has forgotten Nuremburg........But hey that is ancient history to the current Obama NSC.....

This isn't the Holocaust.

Interesting response today by the anti Assad front HNC....notice the emphasis is on fulfil what you signed off on at the UN in order for us the NHC to judge your full faith in negotiations....notice it is being sold in the West as "obstacles" and "preconditions" and the HNC says..."no we just want you to implement what you have passed in the UNSC so we do not have to re-negotiate for the same things from Assad and Putin" which is what you are basically telling us to do....

Those are preconditions in the real world.

Obama desperately trying to impose a facade resolution to Syrian conflict before his term ends for another chapter to write in his biography

A chapter few of his supporters will care about anyways. There is no public support to go ride to the rescue of Islamist groups in Syria/the handful of secular pro-democracy people. Come to the US and ask around, or lobby your home country to ride in to the rescue.
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From the analyst who was clearly deluded....

This is not to say that we should not compromise in order to put an end to conflict and human suffering (especially in Syria), but we must structure our compromises so that they contain the path to, or at least, the possibility for future exercise of democratic political and territorial sovereignty.

Democracies like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar... errr.... Egypt...

Specifically, he seeks to inaugurate a new international order that permits human rights abuses by despotic leaders and invasion, occupation and political subversion of sovereign state

Wait, what? Is this where someone rattles of a list of Western nations doing the same when it suited them.

Must be nice to be in a fantasy world; though if that is his best shot it is a shame he cashed a tax payer funded cheque for so long.

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/0...131356951.html
He said all parties would be involved in ceasefire efforts, other than the two groups designated as "terrorists" by the UN.

"The condition is that it should be a real ceasefire and not just local," De Mistura said.

"Suspension of fighting regarding ISIL and al-Nusra is not on the table. However [there are] plenty of other suspensions of fighting that can take place."

Khaled Khoja, the President of the Syrian National Coalition, said in a press release that they are ready for the talks despite the delay.

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Mohamed Alloush, the leader of the Jaysh al-Islam group, which has been chosen as part of the opposition list, told Al Jazeera there were conditions yet to be applied before any talks could take place.

"There is pressure on us to give up the natural and legitimate rights of the Syrian people. These pressures are represented in pushing our delegation to head to the talks without any clear agenda, plus giving up the goodwill measures mainly addressing the humanitarian situation which has nothing to do with politics.

"Therefore, we cannot tell our people who delegated us how we gave up their rights and headed to Geneva without stopping the air raids, lifting the siege, releasing the prisoners, or sending aid."

http://syriadirect.org/news/ahrar-nu...es-in-latakia/

A local dispute between two Victory Army factions Sunday that led to a gun battle is drawing condemnation from both leaderships and citizen journalists for distracting from fighting a rapid regime advance in Latakia province.

Neither Ahrar a-Sham nor Jabhat a-Nusra have commented on the underlying reasons behind Sunday's firefight in the town of Salqin, in northern Idlib province, when Nusra fighters captured an Ahrar “services office.”

The fighting caused one unidentified casualty, reported pro-opposition All4Syria on Sunday.

The groups reportedly reconciled after the incident, with Ahrar spokesman Abu Yazid Teftenaz circulating a copy of the settlement on Twitter. Teftenaz thanked the intervention of unnamed “rational people” for resolving the dispute.

The two factions are the strongest in the Victory Army, formed in early 2015 from a coalition of Islamist rebel groups who managed to capture all of Idlib province that year.

Meanwhile, the Syrian army and its allies are making rapid progress in the northern Latakia countryside, where they captured the village of Rabia Sunday. Rabia is the last rebel stronghold of importance in the province. Its capture will help prevent the southward movement of opposition fighters who periodically fire missiles on Latakia city and other regime-held areas along the coast, reported pan-Arab al-Hayat Monday.

“Their [Jabhat a-Nusra's] banners are in the trash in Selma and Rabia, and they're busy trying to expand their patch of emirate in Idlib,” wrote Mujahid a-Shami, alias of a citizen journalist who focuses on opposition Islamist brigades.

[CrowBat]

BTW, mwe12, I find it outright ironic you're complaining about all the 'Islamist groups in Syria', and in next sentence cite al-Jazeera, which in turn is citing the leader of the Islamic Front - an Islamist group in control of the first place in Syria (insurgent-held Eastern Ghouta) where free elections were held in nearly 70 years...

(BTW, the IF lost badly during these elections, and a group of civilian technocrats is now in power in the Eastern Ghouta, but then... sigh...well, why should anybody care about this: 'they're all Islamists and terrorists'...)

[OUTLAW 09]

Citing Qatar state TV, to get info out of the horses mouth, is no more an endorsement of that vile terrorist supporting regime, than citing Sputnik or RT is of harboring a man-crush towards bare-chested Russian manlets. Single handledly doubled their clicks based on the fall of AJA.

If an American tried to join the IF they would also end up a federal prisoner.



Well my friend that is the reality of it. There is minimal public support (and no public campaign) to help these guys, despite years of an aggressive media campaign and the MSM carrying water for them, including the use of the term "moderate." Really a remarkable story as to between horrible beliefs, massacres, beheadings, civilians in cages, suicide bombers, and AQ, these guys (and their GCC/Turkish supporters) basically discredited themselves.

They would have been good to have learned from the PKK as to how to hide the smell and at least pretend.

mwe12.....I had posted the comment that JaN has never attacked the US anywhere globally and while they often do crazy internal Syrian things politically and fighting wise that sometimes causes one to shake their heads they are basically Syrian to their roots and take their fighters mainly from inside Syria.....AND yes they have even had internal and open debates about their oath of allegiance to AQ...which is unusual for a so called "terrorist" grouping in the realm of AQ. So again show me any article, or statement coming from JaN issued as a direct threat to the US such as does AQ and or IS???

Again another contradiction to the so called image of an AQ terrorist grouping.

JN convoy with more than 120 armed vehicles just arrived north #Aleppo cs to fight #SAA #isis & #pkk
#Syria JAN 26

Think about this...what if the anti Assad forces had been able to turn their full attention to IS...instead they are fighting the Assad Shia mercenary army and dodging Russian air strikes....AND fighting at the same time ongoing battles with IS and pushes them often back in heavy fighting ALL the while the RuAF striking is them in these fights...basically the RuAF has been protecting IS with their air strikes against the anti Assad forces...YET we hear nothing about that in the entire US MSM do we?????

Not less than 900 #SAA & it's militias mercenaries exterminated & 1600 wounded in the last 3 months by Rebels at #Latakia battles #Syria

HERE is the interesting point that I have been making for awhile...ALL we hear out of the US is" the Syrians must fight IS", or we "need more boots on the ground to fight IS", OR "we need SOF units from the Sunni Front States on the ground to fight IS"...on and on.

BUT has the US even thought about responding to what the anti Assad forces ie FSA has been saying for years now...."help us take care of first Assad and THEN we will take on IS ourselves"..."help arm us and support us ...we will do the fighting ourselves"......sounds like a offer/plan to me.....

IS that not in the interests of the US and the entire world right now when it comes to IS???

IMHO it is.......

BUT what does the US do to appease unilaterally Putin...it restricts the TOW from the anti Assad fighters the only real equalizer right now in the face of massive combined Assad and Putin air strikes when MANPADs are not being delivered....WHY the restriction of the weapons flows??...Obama wants to pressure the anti Assad force into compromising with a genocidal dictator, basically surrendering after the massive killing of Syrians would you as an anti Assad force now surrender.....?

After the massive genocide would you support that move??

[OUTLAW 09]

mwe12.....I had posted the comment that JaN has never attacked the US anywhere globally and while they often do crazy internal Syrian things politically and fighting wise that sometimes causes one to shake their heads they are basically Syrian to their roots and take their fighters mainly from inside Syria.....AND yes they have even had internal and open debates about their oath of allegiance to AQ...which is unusual for a so called "terrorist" grouping in the realm of AQ. So again show me any article, or statement coming from JaN issued as a direct threat to the US such as does AQ and or IS???

Again another contradiction to the so called image of an AQ terrorist grouping.

JN convoy with more than 120 armed vehicles just arrived north #Aleppo cs to fight #SAA #isis & #pkk
#Syria JAN 26

Think about this...what if the anti Assad forces had been able to turn their full attention to IS...instead they are fighting the Assad Shia mercenary army and dodging Russian air strikes....AND fighting at the same time ongoing battles with IS and pushes them often back in heavy fighting ALL the while the RuAF striking is them in these fights...basically the RuAF has been protecting IS with their air strikes against the anti Assad forces...YET we hear nothing about that in the entire US MSM do we?????

Not less than 900 #SAA & it's militias mercenaries exterminated & 1600 wounded in the last 3 months by Rebels at #Latakia battles #Syria

HERE is the interesting point that I have been making for awhile...ALL we hear out of the US is" the Syrians must fight IS", or we "need more boots on the ground to fight IS", OR "we need SOF units from the Sunni Front States on the ground to fight IS"...on and on.

BUT has the US even thought about responding to what the anti Assad forces ie FSA has been saying for years now...."help us take care of first Assad and THEN we will take on IS ourselves"..."help arm us and support us ...we will do the fighting ourselves"......sounds like a offer/plan to me.....

IS that not in the interests of the US and the entire world right now when it comes to IS???

IMHO it is.......

BUT what does the US do to appease unilaterally Putin...it restricts the TOW from the anti Assad fighters the only real equalizer right now in the face of massive combined Assad and Putin air strikes when MANPADs are not being delivered....WHY the restriction of the weapons flows??...Obama wants to pressure the anti Assad force into compromising with a genocidal dictator, basically surrendering after the massive killing of Syrians would you as an anti Assad force now surrender.....?

After the massive genocide would you support that move??

mwe12...think about this.......?

During the past hours #Russia bombed Marea and Tall Jabin, two cities where opposition forces are fighting #ISIS. #Syria

BTW...mwe12...perfect example of the RuAF air striking opposition forces fighting with IS..THUS they are in fact protecting IS...DO you hear anything about this in the US MSM and or from Obama and or Kerry...NO.....

[OUTLAW 09]

I take the silver line to work - luckily it is closed today. Thanks Obama.

Of the two of us I think I am the American.

Basically the above shows you are a mark for terrorists. JAN is AQ. A decade after 9/11 and those clowns were like "yeah this is a movement we want in on." It is a shame and an insult to the victims of 9/11 that we are not hitting JAN and anyone who teams up with them with daily drone strikes - much less vaporize those pow-wows.

mwe12....these two comments of yours are actually quiet interesting in that reflects something said to me when I was working interrogation at a place called Abu Ghraib and in Baqubah, Diyala actually talking to many of the individuals that supported QJBR then and IS now and the other Sunni/Shia insurgent groupings....did that work for a long 18 months during the hottest times in Iraq 2005 to mid 2006.

At the height of the AG scandal we had a class on the use of culture in interrogation actually interesting as I had been using it daily and in the face of massive resistance from the active force leadership in AG....and BTW the instructor knew me from my former SF days in Berlin.....a big homecoming in AG in Iraq after not seeing each other since 1976 when he left Berlin to attend a US university.

He made an interesting statement about being an interrogator which by the way is a long training course by the Army......

In order to be a great interrogator YOU need no training which shocked the room full of Army personnel.

All you need is the following;
1. natural curiosity of the world around you and an interest in global affairs
2. you MUST have lived and possibly worked overseas and speak a foreign language...country where you spent time does not matter
AND lastly;
3. you MUST have an empathy for culture and how a civil society lives in that particular culture

You should have heard the hectic and loud major pushback being voiced from the military audience....BTW he lived and still is in Jordan, has a Ph.d and speaks three different Arabic dialects.

With that advice anyone who does not fulfil that cannot be in my eyes an American.......especially when it comes to foreign policy discussions.

Somehow we have forgotten we were created as and still are a multi cultural nation. And somehow along the way we ourselves have forgotten why we fought the Revolutionary War winning BTW with the help of the French.

Until you have walked in the sandals of Syrians who in 2011 AFTER an Obama speech in Cairo stood up and demanded as a civil society the 50 year end to a dictatorship under the often from the US used propaganda... rule of law, good governance and transparency....why the term "propaganda"...because the very same US that kicks out those slogans now basically abandons any civil society that uses them as their guiding light. Then this demands were met with a brutal genocide (300K killed and over 11M IDPs/refugees is a high price to pay for their demands).......as the response ...that genocide BTW is Iranian supported by every known Shia terrorist groups/IRGC and NOW Russia.

Even you must admit that is strange.

BTW......you have not really experienced anything until you have spent literally hours with a 50 year old Iraqi businessman who actively supported QJBR now IS complain to you about "globalization" in a US military prison in Iraq....concerning his inability to produce sandals cheaper than the Chinese which was driving him out of business AND why did we the US allow that to happen in Iraq.......now what would have been your response to this from his POV...a serious issue???

WHEN you have the chance and you use your smartphone on the silver line then dial in Netflix and call up the film "Winter of Fire" an excellent documentary film which BTW is up for an Oscar of the Ukrainian uprising during the deep winter against an equally brutal dictator who literally stole 40B USD in cash and gold bullion as he fled the Ukraine into Russia the land of the oligarchs that stole most of the means of production in all of Russia.

NOW after watching "Winter of Fire" ask yourself would you as an American citizen have done the exact same thing and or suffered as they did for "the goals of rule of law, transparency and good governance"...in some aspects they were replaying our own Revolutionary War and they are still at war with Russian with over 66 Russian and her mercenary attacks yesterday WHEN Obama/Kerry and the entire NSC claim "there is a ceasefire" and it is working...come on...working????

Of the two of us I think I am the American.

Let me respond to this off handed comment with the following ...until you have participated in three wars in your lifetime, two of them in the ME and until you have spent a bulk of your career dealing with the Soviet Union in Berlin during the height of the Cold War and until you have physically face to face conversed with so called "terrorists" of both the Sunni and Shia sides and until you have used the Koran in those discussions and until you have spent literally hours talking with Sunni/Shia's and until you have tasted and smelled sand storms in the ME...then you are also not an American.

AND especially when you have not served in UW wars in the US SF.

You really do need to drop using such a statement.

[OUTLAW 09]

They are not complicit in those killings, though they rather are regarding KSA and company in Yemen and through their support of other extremist groups while importing US weapons and hanging out under a US defense umbrella.

Though two terrorists for each civilian is considerably better than Israel's six civilians per Hezbollah member, even more so when they are bombing people who hide among civilians with 1970s tech.



We going to host a dinner for our Mideast kinglets at Bad Saint and then arrest them all?



Cuts both ways.



And poor victimized KSA exports money for terrorists and radicals the world around...



America has no stomach for a war over these guys and the government has been unable to hide the stink of the anti-Assad forces. His base has increasingly moved towards staying out foreign conflicts and the other side, which he can't lead to water, has a mix of "let them kill each other", "kill them all let God sort them out", "Obama is a wimp", and a some unrepentant neocons.



Through support of IF, JAN and ISIS....



Thankfully I hope the US has learned from Afghanistan and has put enough pressure on them to not send MANPADS to terrorists...



They are basically demanding Assad/Putin surrender before they will talk.



It's a war and Russia did not kill 24k people in that town, they fled from a civil war. Talk about a flawed taking point.



So would the FSA/IF stop shooting at the SAA? I think not. Russia is totally within its rights and acting above board in bombing the IF/FSA.



Thanks but no. We sure don't need another idiot calling for the use of force or giving aid to terrorists. Good to let him whine from the sidelines in some useless "think tank."

mwe12...there is a saying in German that I will literally translate for you...."you do realize what you just said is crxxxxxp, right"?

A third grade German student argues like you argue.

If you did not fully understand the impact of the video then my friend you are truly lost in another world and this goes to what I have repeatedly mentioned here about you.....

Either a troll and or you have never fired a gun in anger nor been outside the US...both I am afraid.

So keep on commenting but am backing out of this as you are lost in a mountain of what the Germans would call "altered state of reality" or what I call "cognitive dissonance"....meaning lost between what you think you know balanced against the brutal reality of the ME that you somehow missed by being in the US that counters your own believes or biases.

Will repeat it here again your style of not using a name to address your response and the cut an paste approach reminds me of another Russian troll named mirhond that was here for a long while on the Ukrainian thread.

So instead of cutting and pasting why not attempt to state what you actually believe and or not believe then we can cut and paste.

Otherwise just keep at reading the posted comments as that is also a form of learning about the world around you especially with the limited US MSM info on the ME that you get in the US..........

BTW---you did not answer my comments on what it takes to be "an American" when it comes to the ME...why was that?.....trolling, trolling trolling.

[OUTLAW 09]

They are not complicit in those killings, though they rather are regarding KSA and company in Yemen and through their support of other extremist groups while importing US weapons and hanging out under a US defense umbrella.

Though two terrorists for each civilian is considerably better than Israel's six civilians per Hezbollah member, even more so when they are bombing people who hide among civilians with 1970s tech.



We going to host a dinner for our Mideast kinglets at Bad Saint and then arrest them all?



Cuts both ways.



And poor victimized KSA exports money for terrorists and radicals the world around...



America has no stomach for a war over these guys and the government has been unable to hide the stink of the anti-Assad forces. His base has increasingly moved towards staying out foreign conflicts and the other side, which he can't lead to water, has a mix of "let them kill each other", "kill them all let God sort them out", "Obama is a wimp", and a some unrepentant neocons.



Through support of IF, JAN and ISIS....



Thankfully I hope the US has learned from Afghanistan and has put enough pressure on them to not send MANPADS to terrorists...



They are basically demanding Assad/Putin surrender before they will talk.



It's a war and Russia did not kill 24k people in that town, they fled from a civil war. Talk about a flawed taking point.



So would the FSA/IF stop shooting at the SAA? I think not. Russia is totally within its rights and acting above board in bombing the IF/FSA.



Thanks but no. We sure don't need another idiot calling for the use of force or giving aid to terrorists. Good to let him whine from the sidelines in some useless "think tank."

BTW mwe12...there is a serious weak point in your comments.....not a single MANPAD shipped to AFG made it outside of AFG nor has a single one of them been fired against a western aircraft OUTSIDE of AFG.

BTW mwe12....the eastern Ukraine is awash with Russian MANPADs that they shipped to their mercenaries as well as various RPG types which are slowing showing up on the illegal weapons markets here in Europe.

So what is good for the goose is not good for the gander right mwe12????

And are you mwe12 actually agreeing that the killing of hundreds of civilians including a large number of women and children is correct, legal and fully OK with you??

Let's see using that logic the 132 killed in Paris is not being counter balanced by 169 killed in a single day in Syria....racist is that not????

[OUTLAW 09]

They are not complicit in those killings, though they rather are regarding KSA and company in Yemen and through their support of other extremist groups while importing US weapons and hanging out under a US defense umbrella.

Though two terrorists for each civilian is considerably better than Israel's six civilians per Hezbollah member, even more so when they are bombing people who hide among civilians with 1970s tech.



We going to host a dinner for our Mideast kinglets at Bad Saint and then arrest them all?



Cuts both ways.



And poor victimized KSA exports money for terrorists and radicals the world around...



America has no stomach for a war over these guys and the government has been unable to hide the stink of the anti-Assad forces. His base has increasingly moved towards staying out foreign conflicts and the other side, which he can't lead to water, has a mix of "let them kill each other", "kill them all let God sort them out", "Obama is a wimp", and a some unrepentant neocons.



Through support of IF, JAN and ISIS....



Thankfully I hope the US has learned from Afghanistan and has put enough pressure on them to not send MANPADS to terrorists...



They are basically demanding Assad/Putin surrender before they will talk.



It's a war and Russia did not kill 24k people in that town, they fled from a civil war. Talk about a flawed taking point.



So would the FSA/IF stop shooting at the SAA? I think not. Russia is totally within its rights and acting above board in bombing the IF/FSA.



Thanks but no. We sure don't need another idiot calling for the use of force or giving aid to terrorists. Good to let him whine from the sidelines in some useless "think tank."

So mwe12 as a massive supporter of Putin's/Assad's moves in Syria...you must be fully aware of every statement he has made on IS being in Syria...based on all those statements..."he is in Syria to destroy Islamic State" OR at least that is WHAT he is stating publicly.... but you already know that......

NOW explain to us poorly informed here just how it is that in this Russian air strike Islamic State is nowhere to be found ----actually the closest IS position to this strike is 60kms...

BUT WAIT with that highly touted Russian MoD precision air strikes JUST how
is it possible they were off a total of 60 KMS!!

Noor Qarqour, 16-month-old girl killed in Russian/Assad air attack targeted Ariha outskirts south #Idlib y'day.
pic.twitter.com/34GUUipak2

NOW take the time to make your comment here to the family and I will be sure to pass it to them.....the floor is free for your comment....seriously I can pass it on....so please post your response to the above....it will be interesting to say the least.....

The floor is yours...........

[OUTLAW 09]

So mwe12 as a massive supporter of Putin's/Assad's moves in Syria...you must be fully aware of every statement he has made on IS being in Syria...based on all those statements..."he is in Syria to destroy Islamic State" OR at least that is WHAT he is stating publicly.... but you already know that......

NOW explain to us poorly informed here just how it is that in this Russian air strike Islamic State is nowhere to be found ----actually the closest IS position to this strike is 60kms...

BUT WAIT with that highly touted Russian MoD precision air strikes JUST how
is it possible they were off a total of 60 KMS!!

Noor Qarqour, 16-month-old girl killed in Russian/Assad air attack targeted Ariha outskirts south #Idlib y'day.
pic.twitter.com/34GUUipak2

NOW take the time to make your comment here to the family and I will be sure to pass it to them.....the floor is free for your comment....seriously I can pass it on....so please post your response to the above....it will be interesting to say the least.....

The floor is yours...........

mwe12...this comment shows you are a troll either proRussian and or proAssad....

It's a war and Russia did not kill 24k people in that town, they fled from a civil war. Talk about a flawed taking point.

The 24K did in fact flee...WHY over 800 air strikes...many of them carpet bombing strikes...so they were suppose to stay and be killed...come on .....that is worth a snide remark...come on now you can do better.

BTW this town was not under IS control so ask yourself why it was so important for Putin to destroy it.

NOW reread the thread comments on Ukraine 2015...you will see a similar battle for a town called Debaltseve with the same amount of destruction and THEN check Grozny after the second war....where Russian artillery, GRAD and air strikes killed over 169,000. BUT they were only Chechens not Russians.

EVEN you cannot miss the similarity....but again you probably do....

BTW...mwe12...this was just in ...ABSOLUTELY not a single IS fighter and or IS positon where this barrel bomb from Assad landed...not a single IS anywhere to be seen......SO your Putin is doing WHAT supporting a genocidal dictator...GUESS he is because "it sure ain't IS he is trying to destroy in his protection of Assad."

GRAPHIC
Horrific footage of family son, still conscious w/ both legs, one arm ripped off after #Assad air strike on #Douma.
https://www.facebook.com/Syriancivil...4888236869817/ …

[OUTLAW 09]

They are not complicit in those killings, though they rather are regarding KSA and company in Yemen and through their support of other extremist groups while importing US weapons and hanging out under a US defense umbrella.

Though two terrorists for each civilian is considerably better than Israel's six civilians per Hezbollah member, even more so when they are bombing people who hide among civilians with 1970s tech.



We going to host a dinner for our Mideast kinglets at Bad Saint and then arrest them all?



Cuts both ways.



And poor victimized KSA exports money for terrorists and radicals the world around...



America has no stomach for a war over these guys and the government has been unable to hide the stink of the anti-Assad forces. His base has increasingly moved towards staying out foreign conflicts and the other side, which he can't lead to water, has a mix of "let them kill each other", "kill them all let God sort them out", "Obama is a wimp", and a some unrepentant neocons.



Through support of IF, JAN and ISIS....



Thankfully I hope the US has learned from Afghanistan and has put enough pressure on them to not send MANPADS to terrorists...



They are basically demanding Assad/Putin surrender before they will talk.



It's a war and Russia did not kill 24k people in that town, they fled from a civil war. Talk about a flawed taking point.



So would the FSA/IF stop shooting at the SAA? I think not. Russia is totally within its rights and acting above board in bombing the IF/FSA.



Thanks but no. We sure don't need another idiot calling for the use of force or giving aid to terrorists. Good to let him whine from the sidelines in some useless "think tank."

BTW mwe12 while you are riding the so called "silver line", use your smart phone and look up in "Websters"...you do know the book?, and check the definition of "complicit"......

THEN get back to me.

If you do not respond to this direct question then we know for sure trolling is ongoing...awaiting your response to the question......

[OUTLAW 09]

mwe12.....care to comment on this weird Russian FM statement...can you provide me the confrontation they are talking about.....the last time I checked Kerry and Obama did not confront Putin on anything lately...

So basically all this is propaganda....

MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
#Zakharova: We call attention to the depravity of Washington’s policy of confrontation, fraught with dire consequences for global stability

[OUTLAW 09]

Global evolution (by month) of the 600+ #ATGM fired by rebels in 2015.
~85% are #TOW.
#Syria. pic.twitter.com/cIcGlkAp2t

[Azor]

There are over 1,000 armed opposition groups in Syria against Assad. I have read of numbers as high as 2,500.

The "Free Syrian Army" itself is an umbrella organization with dozens of different units.

Therefore, I find it ludicrous that we can even reliably categorize the opposition as secular/moderate or Islamist, even though we know all these ideologies exist on the ground.

What I can say with certainty is that the Sunni Arabs have a polarizing choice if they are to protect themselves from sectarian violence: they can support or join an Islamist group (including the extreme forms of AQ and IS) or the secular/moderates.

If we continue to allow the Iranians, Russians and Shia irregulars to primarily attack secular/moderate opposition forces (or the most secular/moderate of the opposition) then AQ and IS will come to dominate the opposition.

And unless anyone plans on using nuclear weapons, there will be millions of potential recruits...

[CrowBat]

There are over 1,000 armed opposition groups in Syria against Assad. I have read of numbers as high as 2,500.

Well, if your list would be complete, the figure would be closer to 7,000.

Means not that they're 'completely and hopelessly disunited' though. There are about a dozen of umbrella organizations that really matter. It's like if there are about a dozen of political parties: nothing unusual under given circumstances.

Therefore, I find it ludicrous that we can even reliably categorize the opposition as secular/moderate or Islamist, even though we know all these ideologies exist on the ground.

Well, that's the essence of the 'problem': knowing about all the different political positions of various of its combatants, the FSyA said already back in July or August 2011: we are non-political; we first want to remove Assad, then we'll talk about politics.

But nah: everybody else knew 'better'. Therefore, all the possible foreign powers have ever since conditioned their aid on political declarations, colour of flag and other BS. First to do so was Turkey, which imposed an ultimatum upon the FSyA leadership to subject itself to the Moslem Brotherhood already in November 2011. Just a week or so later, it was followed by Qatar and Kuwait, which began providing extensive aid on condition of insurgents pledging alegiance to groups Salafist and Wahhabist movements... and when everybody else attempted to create 1-2 umbrella organizations, in autumn 2012, Qatar and Kuwait did whatever was possible to disunite, and provide aid directly to 'hand-picked' groups - all of which subsequently joined Jabhat an-Nusra.

Eventually, there is only one solution: remove Assad, then organize free and fair elections, and let the people decide on their own. Without that, we'll never know what kind of government majority of Syrians actually want to have, and whether that majority of them are 'really blood-thirsty terrorists' - like all the nearly everybody in the West and most of the East 'knows' - or else.

If we continue to allow the Iranians, Russians and Shia irregulars to primarily attack secular/moderate opposition forces (or the most secular/moderate of the opposition) then AQ and IS will come to dominate the opposition.

Sounds OK but... well, if Syrians haven't turned into wildest extremists after the last five months of barbaric Russian bombardment, they'll never do so.

Means: that train is already away.

More problematic is the fact that meanwhile the JAN - which was just one foot away from all-out war not only against the FSyA, but also against the (Salafist) Ahrar ash-Sham, and which would've lost that war very badly - is now profiting from a new wave of Jihadists that are travelling to Syria in reaction to Russian military intervention there, exactly as announced here back in September.

Once again: congratulations Oblabla, and now also special thanks to Putler.

[mwe12]

Eventually, there is only one solution: remove Assad, then organize free and fair elections, and let the people decide on their own. Without that, we'll never know what kind of government majority of Syrians actually want to have, and whether that majority of them are 'really blood-thirsty terrorists' - like all the nearly everybody in the West and most of the East 'knows' - or else.

That would require a war with Russia at this point, to "simply" remove Assad and his allies, and those free elections would go south with Qatari/Kuwaiti money, Turkish pressure, and MB/AQ muscle.

Shades of thinking skinny jean wearing pro-western hipsters were going to run Egypt.

irst to do so was Turkey, which imposed an ultimatum upon the FSyA leadership to subject itself to the Moslem Brotherhood already in November 2011. Just a week or so later, it was followed by Qatar and Kuwait, which began providing extensive aid on condition of insurgents pledging alegiance to groups Salafist and Wahhabist movements... and when everybody else attempted to create 1-2 umbrella organizations, in autumn 2012, Qatar and Kuwait did whatever was possible to disunite, and provide aid directly to 'hand-picked' groups - all of which subsequently joined Jabhat an-Nusra.

Our lovely and endangered regional allies, who we simply "must support."

mwe12.....care to comment on this weird Russian FM statement...can you provide me the confrontation they are talking about.....the llast time I checked Kerry and Obama did not confront Putin on anything lately...

Nothing out of the ordinary.

Let's see using that logic the 132 killed in Paris is not being counter balanced by 169 killed in a single day in Syria....racist is that not????

Not racist at all.

NOW explain to us poorly informed here just how it is that in this Russian air strike Islamic State is nowhere to be found ----actually the closest IS position to this strike is 60kms...

They are totally within their rights to pummel the FSA/IF/JAN/MB along with ISIS. That people flip out over it is rather comical.

If we continue to allow the Iranians, Russians and Shia irregulars to primarily attack secular/moderate opposition forces (or the most secular/moderate of the opposition) then AQ and IS will come to dominate the opposition.

JAN, the IF and other crazies get lumped by Anti-Assad groups into that vaunted "non-ISIS forces" that Putin is bombing on top of civilians. "Vetted" groups fight hand in hand with terrorists. It's a weird neverland when guys who are in a military alliance with groups who are part of AQ still get considered to be moderates.

http://america.aljazeera.com/article...h-to-lose.html

“It is a complete failure,” one Western diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters as the HNC boycott loomed. “With whom [is the Syrian government] going to talk? If you want to engage in negotiations, you have to have a partner. It’s a wonderful occasion for the regime to show they are willing.”

That is precisely the dilemma for the HNC, and the reason Syria's opposition is lukewarm on the peace effort even after five years of bloodshed: No matter what happens in Geneva, and regardless of whether they show up or not, the government can benefit merely by sitting down. The risks are far greater for the rebels, who know that sitting down with Assad will be perceived on the ground as legitimizing the government and could therefore further erode their already splintered support if talks do not bear any fruit. Hence, the importance in securing some concessions to present their supporters before Geneva kicked off.

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But rebel contempt for the diplomatic process is not merely about their mistrust of the government. There is a widely held perception among the HNC and its supporters that the geopolitical balance in Syria’s war now tilts decidedly in favor of Assad's forces, largely due to Russia's military intervention in Syria that is beginning to pay dividends for Assad on the ground. Backed by Russian airstrikes on key rebel targets (as well as occasional strikes on the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant), government forces scored their latest and perhaps biggest victory last week when they captured the southern town of Sheikh Miskeen, cutting off a critical transit route for the rebels between Daraa and Damascus.

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Publicly, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had urged the HNC to abandon its demands for preconditions and warned against missing a “historic opportunity." Behind closed doors, however, some rebel sources told reporters this week that Washington was threatening to cut off aid if the HNC did not attend Geneva — an allegation Washington denied.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-w...ited-to-talks/

Saleh Muslim, co-president of the Democratic Union Party, or PYD, left when it became clear he would not be invited to participate, according to Kurdish official Nawaf Khalil.

The participation of the PYD has been a divisive issue in advance of the Geneva talks. Turkey, which has struggled with its own large Kurdish population, considers the PYD a terrorist organization and the HNC claims they are too close to the Syrian government.

Unlike other groups from outside the HNC that were invited as advisers, the PYD received no invitation from U.N. Special Envoy to Syria Staffan de Mistura.

The move to exclude the PYD angered Qadri Jamil, a former Syrian deputy prime minister who has become a leading opposition figure but is not part of the HNC. Jamil said the PYD’s military wing has been the most effective force on the ground in Syria fighting the Islamic State group.

“The PYD is a historic part of the Syrian democratic opposition and PYD today is fighting terrorism on the ground and it is a main force,” Jamil told a group of journalists in Geneva on Saturday.

Jamil said they are working with the U.N. to resolve the crisis regarding the representation of the PYD.

Bassam Bitar of the opposition’s Movement for a Pluralistic Society said the PYD will most likely be invited to take part in future rounds of negotiations.

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Russian info warfare or what is known as "weaponization of information" trolling requires a number of things....among them the ability to deflect, distort and distract. (key elements of the Russian 6Ds of propaganda)........all the while setting a particular narrative....as the narrative is the message they are attempting to push.

It has been seen in the last 18 months of weaponization of information that those that troll tend to have an interesting indicator or fingerprint so to speak.....they specifically fail to address questions placed to them and tend to reinforce their own narrative by massive cutting and pasting as if it lends creditability to their narrative AND the cutting and pasting is used to reinforce the deflection, distortion and distraction of their narrative.

Specific questions were placed to this commenter and none answered......why is that?....answering the question/questions pulls the troll off his or her "narrative"....and then it is hard to get back on "message" and control the narrative.

You will notice that this particular commenter tends to fulfill the above points .....

[OUTLAW 09]

Russian info warfare or what is known as "weaponization of information" trolling requires a number of things....among them the ability to deflect, distort and distract. (key elements of the Russian 6Ds of propaganda)........all the while setting a particular narrative....as the narrative is the message they are attempting to push.

It has been seen in the last 18 months of weaponization of information that those that troll tend to have an interesting indicator or fingerprint so to speak.....they specifically fail to address questions placed to them and tend to reinforce their own narrative by massive cutting and pasting as if it lends creditability to their narrative AND the cutting and pasting is used to reinforce the deflection, distortion and distraction of their narrative.

Specific questions were placed to this commenter and none answered......why is that?....answering the question/questions pulls the troll off his or her "narrative"....and then it is hard to get back on "message" and control the narrative.

You will notice that this particular commenter tends to fulfill the above points .....

Here is the example of just how the trolling works.......

I will place question to mwe12 a newly recently joined member and we will see if it is answered.......

mwe12 what is your position on these demands from the HNC which really are the same demands in the last UNSC resolution supported by both Russia and the US ......??

HNC spokesman Riad al-Agha says 3 steps before talks start are end of sieges, end of bombardment of civilians, & release of prisoners.

[mwe12]

mwe12...notice you never reply to the commenter you attempt to cut and paste on do you?

I do respond. I take each one of your points to the woodshed. I think you are either paid by the post (hopefully you monetize this) or live in a well padded room.

1. Dealt with your genocide lie.
2. Pointed out correctly that Putin is free to bomb other armed groups.
3. Pointed out correctly Putin has killed more terrorists/Islamists than civilians by a wide margin.
4. Pointed out the US/US public is not on board to go fight Assad to put those clowns in power.
5. You support JAN.
6. I believe we are safer with Assad in power. Several Presidential candidates back that position. And it's not an uncommon position on the street here.
7. I think the US should be striking JAN/IF forces and anyone they are brigaded with.
8. Obama/Kerry also consider those to be preconditions on talks and had to threaten our little Islamists to show up.
9. Now everyone who doesn't agree with you is a racist.

Not sure what is ducking or trolling on my end. On yours you rant and complain that Russian agents are raiding your fridge, and call me a troll but your genocide argument is a dud, you new racism argument holds no water, and basically you are on the fringe side of an issue.

Again this response and all of your responses are nothing more than trolling as you really do not contribute anything that has not been already published by say Sputnik, TASS or Interfax and or uttered by a Russian FM who basically lies with every interview.

I think you live in a ideologically protected world where anyone who disagrees with you is a paid Russian spy.

Example of a troll is then set/contained within this above statement.

Disagreeing with your stance, as does most of the American public and our President it appears, does not make someone a troll part of a conspiracy to steal your matching socks. You are in a fantasy world. The American public is opposed to doing what you want, the President/Kerry are lukewarm on it and pushing for talks without Islamist preconditions, and two top candidates have basically we are better off with Assad. Sorry you are on the fringe terrorist supporting side of an issue.

SECOND challenge to your trolling... with the initially secret Russian Syrian unrestricted SOFA signed in AUGUST and WHEN did Putin start bombing and WHAT is his true intent in Syria??....the destruction of any and all opposition to Assad that could be a future problem for his SOFA.

As I said there is nothing illegal about him blowing to bits the other anti-Assad groups (which includes your AQ buddies).

Again highly suggest you reread the entire Ukrainian 2014-2015 and now 2016 threads to fully understand the term "weaponization of information"...

If it is pages of you responding to your own rants with more rants about Russian circus midgets stealing your bodily fluids, I'll pass.

AND if in fact he is a "true American" then one would think he would be interested in Putin killing them as well as they have a ton of "US blood on their hands"...but certainly not in having Putin working with them as that would then mean Putin approved of them killing Americans in the past....

If a group of Shia terrorists slit the throats of Sunni terrorists (who rammed airliners into the towers/are brigaded with them) I am amazingly indifferent. I am safer with a Putin/Assad/Iran win than a win by the anti-Assad forces.

Dude you cheer-lead for AQ, that's like no-fly list zone crazy.

Using the Putin definition of what a "terrorist is" would make the large number of US militias in fact "terrorists".

Well we finally cracked down on those idiots. And had you watched the coverage there was outrage those guys were not being called terrorists.

Remember he basically admitted this with his comment on the 132 killed in Paris with a massive outcry and no one says anything if 169 are killed by Putin in a single day...and that day after day...meaning he accepts that French civilians are better than Syrian civilians or taking it a step further dead Christians outweigh dead Muslims....but he will not go that far.....as that is in fact racist...it is not in what he says..it is how the words he uses says what he wants to say.

It's not racist in the least. Poor play of the race card. Though with the misspelling and mocking of the Presidents name, I think you guys might want to check your own privilege.

There is a very old US saying and it is racist....." a good Indian is a dead Indian......"

"The only good Indian is a dead one/Indian" - at least get the expression correct, even though your usage here is wrong.

BUT WAIT Putin in his UNGA speech "claimed" to want to destroy IS and that was why he was in Syria....

He is free to attack other groups in support of Assad. Nothing illegal or immoral about bombing the IF/MB/JAN/FSA as well. Net gain to be honest.

BUT since you are a troller you fully understand that this is just Russian camouflage as Putin knows aid will never make it in thus he can continue his bombing of the Assad opposition ALL the while arguing in front a camera...see they are setting "pre conditions"....BTW Obama even uses this argument so where is the difference between say Putin and Obama's strategies in Syria?...Putin has one and Obama has none.

So I guess Obama is also a paid Russian troll. Saying "we won't talk unless Russia/Assad/Iran seriously and potentially cripplingly limit their operations" is a precondition. They know it won't be agreed to as a precondition for these talks, they simply don't want to take part in the talks which is why it is rumored Kerry had to threaten them.

So while Putin is "killing Sunni terrorists for the West" the known Shia terrorists are being over looked......right??

Run with AQ and people are going to rank your side below Hezbollah. Amazing.

"Thus no genocide is being committed"...."just good ole fashion killing of terrorists"......and if stupid people get in the way it is their fault...his logical thought pattern to its conclusion.

Fault of the terrorists who hide among them/the people that hang out around them. Seeing as the SOHR's Pallywood style accounting puts Putin at 1380 civilians killed (ignoring that 60% or so of those are adult men and probably not all non-combatants) to 2198 terrorists. Surprisingly despite using 1960-1970s bombing tech and not being anywhere near as concerned about Human Rights backlash as we in the west are; Putin has managed to kill far more terrorists than alleged civilians based on pro-Islamist sources.

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If the Obama administration wants the Syrian opposition to risk whatever positive standing it may have inside Syria for the sake of a diplomatic due diligence exercise aimed at proving to the world that which is already known—that the Assad regime, Russia, and Iran have no interest in genuine Syrian political transition—then it will have to sit with the opposition and spell out what it intends to do to protect Syrian civilians once the exercise has run its course. The course itself need not be lengthy. If the bombings, sieges, and mass incarcerations continue, there is nothing to discus

Thankfully little will and no public pressure in the US for that.

The Syrian opposition is, to be sure, organizationally challenged. It is fractious. It cannot defeat Iran, Russia, and the regime inside Syria. Its ability to protect its own constituents is very limited.

So they aren't going to win.

If airdropped tomorrow onto a welcoming Damascus it might, while eschewing collective punishment and mass murder, still prove lacking in governing skills.

LOL.

But this oft-reviled opposition wants Assad—an asset for ISIL and a tool of Hezbollah—gone. Is this not a basis for a close relationship with Washington? Are these people neither worth cultivating nor treating with respect?

Not at all, and of course he down plays the whole these guys are allied with AQ/MB angle. The fact the opposition is full of Islamists and AQ supports/allies has to go unmentioned or else he would admit his cause was bankrupt and unpopular.

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I do respond. I take each one of your points to the woodshed. I think you are either paid by the post (hopefully you monetize this) or live in a well padded room.

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4. Pointed out the US/US public is not on board to go fight Assad to put those clowns in power.
5. You support JAN.
6. I believe we are safer with Assad in power. Several Presidential candidates back that position. And it's not an uncommon position on the street here.
7. I think the US should be striking JAN/IF forces and anyone they are brigaded with.
8. Obama/Kerry also consider those to be preconditions on talks and had to threaten our little Islamists to show up.
9. Now everyone who doesn't agree with you is a racist.

Not sure what is ducking or trolling on my end. On yours you rant and complain that Russian agents are raiding your fridge, and call me a troll but your genocide argument is a dud, you new racism argument holds no water, and basically you are on the fringe side of an issue.



I think you live in a ideologically protected world where anyone who disagrees with you is a paid Russian spy.



Disagreeing with your stance, as does most of the American public and our President it appears, does not make someone a troll part of a conspiracy to steal your matching socks. You are in a fantasy world. The American public is opposed to doing what you want, the President/Kerry are lukewarm on it and pushing for talks without Islamist preconditions, and two top candidates have basically we are better off with Assad. Sorry you are on the fringe terrorist supporting side of an issue.



As I said there is nothing illegal about him blowing to bits the other anti-Assad groups (which includes your AQ buddies).



If it is pages of you responding to your own rants with more rants about Russian circus midgets stealing your bodily fluids, I'll pass.



If a group of Shia terrorists slit the throats of Sunni terrorists (who rammed airliners into the towers/are brigaded with them) I am amazingly indifferent. I am safer with a Putin/Assad/Iran win than a win by the anti-Assad forces.

Dude you cheer-lead for AQ, that's like no-fly list zone crazy.



It's not racist in the least. Poor play of the race card. Though with the misspelling and mocking of the Presidents name, I think you guys might want to check your own privilege.



"The only good Indian is a dead one/Indian" - at least get the expression correct, even though your usage here is wrong.





So I guess Obama is also a paid Russian troll. Saying "we won't talk unless Russia/Assad/Iran seriously and potentially cripplingly limit their operations" is a precondition. They know it won't be agreed to as a precondition for these talks, they simply don't want to take part in the talks which is why it is rumored Kerry had to threaten them.



Run with AQ and people are going to rank your side below Hezbollah. Amazing.


Fault of the terrorists who hide among them/the people that hang out around them. Seeing as the SOHR's Pallywood style accounting puts Putin at 1380 civilians killed (ignoring that 60% or so of those are adult men and probably not all non-combatants) to 2198 terrorists. Surprisingly despite using 1960-1970s bombing tech and not being anywhere near as concerned about Human Rights backlash as we in the west are; Putin has managed to kill far more terrorists than alleged civilians based on pro-Islamist sources.

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Thankfully little will and no public pressure in the US for that.



So they aren't going to win.



LOL.



Not at all, and of course he down plays the whole these guys are allied with AQ/MB angle. The fact the opposition is full of Islamists and AQ supports/allies has to go unmentioned or else he would admit his cause was bankrupt and unpopular.

1. Dealt with your genocide lie.
2. Pointed out correctly that Putin is free to bomb other armed groups.
3. Pointed out correctly Putin has killed more terrorists/Islamists than civilians by a wide margin

He is free to attack other groups in support of Assad. Nothing illegal or immoral about bombing the IF/MB/JAN/FSA as well. Net gain to be honest.

Run with AQ and people are going to rank your side below Hezbollah. Amazing

Well we finally cracked down on those idiots. And had you watched the coverage there was outrage those guys were not being called terrorists.


Russian troll and or just a poorly uninformed Trump voter or maybe both???

Why do I say that...the comment on Hezbollah indicates you have absolutely no understanding of and or no knowledge of ME politics, the difference say between a secularist, a Salafist and or jihadi nor did you serve a single day in the Army in Iraq and or AFG.

Why is that...then you would have fully understood my comment "blood on the hands" in reference to the Iraqi Hezbollah KB.....

AND this further indicates that KH has killed and or wounded American military in full support of Iran...why do I say that...if you had served in Iraq you would be intimately familiar with the term EFP....well all the EFP parts were made and smuggled into Iraq for their use against US military BY no other than the IRGC....ALSO a major player in Syria ....

So again if we revisit say JaN that you place in the same grouping as IS/AQ and want they all killed.....just as Putin/Assad does.....

UP TO TODAY 1 Feb 2016 JaN has not killed a single American and has no US "blood on their hands".

BTW check what "blood on their hands" means in the Koran and in Arabic until then..... it is a waste of time to deal with a troller with little to no knowledge of the subject he claims to be knowledgeable in .

Anyone can cut and paste critic...any one...

AND yes I am getting monetized by the thousands of Euros....and just what does Russia pay you BTW??

Genocide.. and "complicit" .....remember I told you to check Websters as you were supposedly riding the silver line which you do not do BTW......

The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Articles II and III of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.

Article II describes two elements of the crime of genocide:


1) the mental element, meaning the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such", and

2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called "genocide."


Article III described five punishable forms of the crime of genocide: genocide; conspiracy, incitement, attempt and complicity.


Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and
Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)
"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:


(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:

(a) Genocide;

(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;

(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;

(d) Attempt to commit genocide;

(e) Complicity in genocide. "

It is a crime to plan or incite genocide, even before killing starts, and to aid or abet genocide: Criminal acts include conspiracy, direct and public incitement, attempts to commit genocide, and complicity in genocide.
Punishable Acts The following are genocidal acts when committed as part of a policy to destroy a group’s existence:

Killing members of the group includes direct killing and actions causing death.

Causing serious bodily or mental harm includes inflicting trauma on members of the group through widespread torture, rape, sexual violence, forced or coerced use of drugs, and mutilation.

Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group’s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.

Prevention of births includes involuntary sterilization, forced abortion, prohibition of marriage, and long-term separation of men and women intended to prevent procreation.

Forcible transfer of children may be imposed by direct force or by fear of violence, duress, detention, psychological oppression or other methods of coercion. The Convention on the Rights of the Child defines children as persons under the age of 18 years.

Genocidal acts need not kill or cause the death of members of a group. Causing serious bodily or mental harm, prevention of births and transfer of children are acts of genocide when committed as part of a policy to destroy a group’s existence.

The law protects four groups - national, ethnical, racial or religious groups.

A national group means a set of individuals whose identity is defined by a common country of nationality or national origin.

An ethnical group is a set of individuals whose identity is defined by common cultural traditions, language or heritage.

A racial group means a set of individuals whose identity is defined by physical characteristics.

A religious group is a set of individuals whose identity is defined by common religious creeds, beliefs, doctrines, practices, or rituals

mwe12... my friend and what is occurring in Syria "ain't genocide...get real my friend".....

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mwe12......here is the Websters definition of "complicit" which you were asked to look up on the silver line that you do not ride......

act of helping to commit a crime or do wrong in some way

NOW if you agree and you actually must agree..Obama gets a security briefing every morning...a summary of global events....and the US IC literally "sees and hears everything" 24 X 7 X 365 in a grouping called "Indications and Warnings"......

So now convince me that you are fully knowledgeable of the IC world....which BTW you are not...they have been confirming the use of chemical gas against Syrians specifically anyone who disagrees with Assad and now Putin, they have seen and confirmed the indiscriminate use of barrel bombs again with chlorine yesterday BTW, they have seen and confirmed the use of starvation, they have seen and confirmed the indiscriminate killing of civilians by air strikes and the indiscriminate destruction of critical civilian infrastucture.

SO if the US President physically "knows all of this" and if you deny he does not then the US is in serious trouble......if he knows all of this AND yet undertakes nothing......absolutely nothing......no public statements, nor interviews on the subject, no international press conference, no UNSC demanded meetings on the subject, no direct phone calls to Putin other than the lame Kerry "asking" pretty please for Russian FM Lavrov to end the bombings.....

WHEN legally he falls under the 1948 Convention for "complicity" and is liable for war crimes....even if he does nothing...

BUT WAIT he is a Nobel Peace Prize winner...so he knows international humanitarian law already...thus he really is "complicit" AND he is a lawyer from the blue ribbon universities so he fully understands the word "complicit"..

Trolling is easy, critic is easy, cut and paste is easy...... being an American outside the US is great as it gives you a total different look on life other than the Trump view........

BTW there I fly easily to the US...why I have proven my "loyalty" to the US more times than you have had birthdays......and that my friend sits deep in the computers....getting the computers to change that fact...very hard.

So get off the critic of being un-American...we had that phase in the US in the 50s...and where did it get the US but again you would not know that as you where not born in those times??

But again you troll and that is easy to prove and you just keep on doing it......reminds me of a former SWJ commenter mirhond who has not been around awhile...kind of miss him as he would at least post photos.

If you check your profile and comments..and compare it to his profile and comments..no basic difference is there....??