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    Quote Originally Posted by mwe12 View Post
    Preconditions meant to derail the talks.

    They are essentially demanding the right to hide among civilians without Putin/Assad being able to club them. Clearly they know Russia will not end the air campaign and Assad/Iran will not drop their offensives, so they hope this can be a way out of them having to take part in talks.



    After your comments about how great those crazy JAN kids are maybe you are the one getting paid per post (and you do seem to like to respond to one post 5 times).



    I would like to think I brought out the DeMarini in response to your points. You rail with worn out talking points about genocide and Obama being at fault, because practically no-one in his base wants to go to war over this, but when pushed all you have is weird rants about a Russian internet conspiracy to hire people to disagree with you.

    Pointing out that Russia is free to flatten another terrorist group 60km away from an ISIS position in response to you saying that is not deflecting your points, it's pointing out a truth.



    Conspiracy theory nonsense. It is possible to read the MSM give liver-eaters op-ed space and run with AJ's narrative and still come to the conclusion we are better with groups allied to and brigaded with AQ dead.



    And the British dressmaker still has it at considerably more terrorists per civilian, though I would question the actual civilian status of many of those.
    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...r-strikes.html


    Not much of a genocide.
    mwe12...notice you never reply to the commenter you attempt to cut and paste on do you?

    2. this by the way is the core tenor of your narrative for the entire post.

    Preconditions meant to derail the talks.

    They are essentially demanding the right to hide among civilians without Putin/Assad being able to club them. Clearly they know Russia will not end the air campaign and Assad/Iran will not drop their offensives, so they hope this can be a way out of them having to take part in talks.


    Example of a troll is then set/contained within this above statement.

    Why is this statement interesting ...because you in effect take on the Putin mindset that yes I will play at supporting the US to get the latest UNSC resolution passed WHICH specifically sets out the urgent need for humanitarian aid to flow AND it sets out that bombing of civilians MUST stop.

    WHICH mwe12 then places Russia on record for stopping the bombing and starting the flow of humanitarian aid.

    BUT since you are a troller you fully understand that this is just Russian camouflage as Putin knows aid will never make it in thus he can continue his bombing of the Assad opposition ALL the while arguing in front a camera...see they are setting "pre conditions"....BTW Obama even uses this argument so where is the difference between say Putin and Obama's strategies in Syria?...Putin has one and Obama has none.

    3. this previous comment of yours is trolling as well as is it deflecting from the overall truth of Syria....namely there was and still is genocide being driven by Assad and now Putin.

    Your comment not mine....
    A. Assad is not committing a genocide.
    B. Russia has bombed ISIS. Russia is still bombing ISIS.
    C. Russia is within its rights to bomb the FSA/IF/JAN while supporting Assad. Putin does not have to limit his strikes to only ISIS.


    mwe12...you are attempting as a troll to cover the very public press conference held by Putin before he flew to the UNGA meeting...will be more than happy to point you to the actual Russian version where if you spoke Russian you would clearly hear and see that he states "his only reason for engaging into Syria was the destruction of IS...end of story....THAT exact story was then repeated in his UNGA speech also in Russian.

    BUT then as a troll you would have also known that he and his FM BOTH in two separate interviews two days later defined a "terrorist" as someone carrying an AK47 and fighting against Assad...will be more than happy to point you to that Russian interview as well.....always use the native language of the individual not some MSM translation into English.

    SO now based on the widened Putin definition of what a "terrorist" is then your narrative that you are pushing makes sense at least to you as it makes sense to Putin and his FM.

    Using the Putin definition of what a "terrorist is" would make the large number of US militias in fact "terrorists".

    Again this response and all of your responses are nothing more than trolling as you really do not contribute anything that has not been already published by say Sputnik, TASS or Interfax and or uttered by a Russian FM who basically lies with every interview.

    NOW a challenge to you.....if you think the Russian FM is not a lair then check his recent press conference this week WHERE he makes the statement and clearly makes the statement again in Russian THAT Russia did not violate the 1994 Budapest Memorandum because "they did not nuke the Ukraine".

    As he is a major troller himself he naturally failed to mention that he was only talking about one of six points in the Budapest Memo... he FORGOT conveniently the other FIVE points that Russia did/has been in fact violating
    .

    JUST as he always states during press conferences that the Ukraine has not implemented all 11 points in Minsk 2 WHEN Russia has not even fulfilled the single beginning point IE a true "ceasefire" and the required all for all POW exchanges.....

    BTW your responses here were again; distortion, deflection and a distraction.

    This section is interesting has it shows you are attempting to combine distortion, deflection and distraction into one comment.....

    Quote:

    Russian info warfare or what is known as "weaponization of information" trolling requires a number of things....among them the ability to deflect, distort and distract. (key elements of the Russian 6Ds of propaganda)........all the while setting a particular narrative....as the narrative is the message they are attempting to push.

    Your response;
    Conspiracy theory nonsense. It is possible to read the MSM give liver-eaters op-ed space and run with AJ's narrative and still come to the conclusion we are better with groups allied to and brigaded with AQ dead.


    Again highly suggest you reread the entire Ukrainian 2014-2015 and now 2016 threads to fully understand the term "weaponization of information"...

    Because you fully use the Russian 6Ds of propaganda.

    BTW cut and pasting really does make staying on message easy for trollers...
    same technique is being used over on the Twitter side.

    SECOND challenge to your trolling... with the initially secret Russian Syrian unrestricted SOFA signed in AUGUST and WHEN did Putin start bombing and WHAT is his true intent in Syria??....the destruction of any and all opposition to Assad that could be a future problem for his SOFA.

    BTW this agreement was not released by the Russian FM... it was released by "a so called independent Russian specialist" residing in the West and rumored to be close to Putin.......AND the US MSM did not pick it up for almost a week.

    Russian soldiers at the Hameimim air base in Latakia. Assad's flag nowhere in sight. #SovereignSyria?

    Prove that you can provide a direst answer to the two direct questions...but make them more than a single sentence and not in the cut and past trolling format.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 01-31-2016 at 09:07 AM.

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