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    BUT WAIT Russia and her mercenaries have not complied with a single point in Minsk 2..just ask the OSCE SMM..........another Russian "vodka moment"......

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    Militants brought 36 Grad systems back to the contact line – intelligence
    http://uacrisis.org/44092-rozvidka-7

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    It is and has always been about the Obama "legacy"...nothing more nothing less.....

    Susan Rice says US pushing for Russia-Ukraine peace deal before Obama leaves office. Wishful thinking if you ask me.

    Could a Russia-Ukraine Deal be Possible by Early 2017?

    By Reuters On 6/10/16 at 3:13 AM

    WASHINGTON (Reuters)—The White House is pushing hard to have a Russia-Ukraine peace deal implemented by the time President Barack Obama leaves office, top national security adviser Susan Rice said on Thursday.

    Rice, who coordinates foreign policy at the White House, said she saw potential for resolution in the Ukraine crisis by the end of the year, and said U.S. officials were intensifying their work with French and German counterparts on the Minsk deal, signed in February 2015.

    "This is something that could get done between now and the end of the administration if the Russians in particular exhibit sufficient political will," Rice said at a Washington Post event. Obama is set to leave office on January 20, 2017.

    "We are hopeful if the Russians want to resolve this—and we have some reason to believe they might—we have the time and the wherewithal and the tools to do so," Rice said.
    More than 9,000 people have been killed since April 2014 in violence between Russian-backed separatists in Eastern Ukraine and the Kiev government.

    The United States and European Union have stood firm on economic sanctions on Russia pending progress implementing security measures and electoral reforms included in the Minsk ceasefire deal. EU leaders are set to weigh extending the sanctions at a summit at the end of June.

    Rice said she would not put odds on whether it would happen, and acknowledged that time could run short, noting "there are no sure bets" that the Ukrainian parliament would be able to ratify electoral reforms that are part of the agreement.
    BUT WAIT...appears Susan Rice did not calculate this occurring did she........???
    Ukr positions at #Krasnohorivka are under russian heavy mortar 120m fire now.


    UAF loses for May from Russian army and her mercenary attacks...29 KIA and 97 WIA......

    NOT so sure Susan Rice really understands the ground reality in eastern Ukraine....from this evening on the front lines.....

    21:48 #Horlivka @_GivNeyt_ Hell in #Avdiivka, red glow is seen from Horlivka [no reports from Avdiivka about, so far]


    21:49 #Horlivka @_GivNeyt_ Outskirts of #Hluboka: 30 min freq GLs and smtms mortars. Hardware on move spotted in the northwest

    Avdiivka @666_mancer [vk]
    21:37 in the area of semaphore, bullets have just whistled too and hit fence

    21:30 #Avdiivka @GirkinGirkin [vk?] #Lomonosova: bullets whistle, crazy!

    ATO spox: Militant casualties: 2 KIA, 3 WIA as car hit the minefield set by militants. Skirmishes: 2 KIA, 4 WIA http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/10-june...wia-as-car-hit

    AND from the Russian social media front line side.......
    21:42 #Krasnohorivka @Huyovyi_Kolhoz "[fr/#Staromykhaylivka RU] pound w/mortars at UA positions, we're smoking, waiting for reply fire"
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    REPORT: #RUSSIA BEHIND CYBERATTACKS ON #MH17 INVESTIGATION TEAM
    http://www.nltimes.nl/2016/06/10/rep...tigation-team/

    Bundesverfassungsschutz confirms: last year's hacking on DSB (and on @bellingcat , and on me, a.o.) were from FSB: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2...val_OVV__.html
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    “@GeoffPyatt: Over last few weeks Russia's separatists have engaged in a strategy of making the @OSCE_SMM monitoring mission blind

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    It is and has always been about the Obama "legacy"...nothing more nothing less.....

    Susan Rice says US pushing for Russia-Ukraine peace deal before Obama leaves office. Wishful thinking if you ask me.

    Could a Russia-Ukraine Deal be Possible by Early 2017?

    By Reuters On 6/10/16 at 3:13 AM



    BUT WAIT...appears Susan Rice did not calculate this occurring did she........???
    Ukr positions at #Krasnohorivka are under russian heavy mortar 120m fire now.


    UAF loses for May from Russian army and her mercenary attacks...29 KIA and 97 WIA......

    NOT so sure Susan Rice really understands the ground reality in eastern Ukraine....from this evening on the front lines.....

    21:48 #Horlivka @_GivNeyt_ Hell in #Avdiivka, red glow is seen from Horlivka [no reports from Avdiivka about, so far]


    21:49 #Horlivka @_GivNeyt_ Outskirts of #Hluboka: 30 min freq GLs and smtms mortars. Hardware on move spotted in the northwest

    Avdiivka @666_mancer [vk]
    21:37 in the area of semaphore, bullets have just whistled too and hit fence

    21:30 #Avdiivka @GirkinGirkin [vk?] #Lomonosova: bullets whistle, crazy!

    ATO spox: Militant casualties: 2 KIA, 3 WIA as car hit the minefield set by militants. Skirmishes: 2 KIA, 4 WIA
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/10-june...wia-as-car-hit

    AND from the Russian social media front line side.......
    21:42 #Krasnohorivka @Huyovyi_Kolhoz "[fr/#Staromykhaylivka RU] pound w/mortars at UA positions, we're smoking, waiting for reply fire"
    Donetsk ~22:10
    Proletarka - Strong rumble towards #Yasynuvata-#Avdiivka

    Maryinka
    22:20 - Mortars, heavy machine guns, dense AGLs fire
    22:39 - Calmed down a bit

    22:31 #Horlivka
    Shyroka Balka - shooting, machine guns, AA-gun
    https://twitter.com/ahab9889/status/741352183803826176

    Donetsk Abakumova VK: 22:39 - Four very loud "ka-booms".
    https://twitter.com/Vika7Victoria/st...56271069241345

    22:40 #Krasnohorivka-#Staromykhailivka - local skirmish continues, shooting, mortars.
    https://twitter.com/Vika7Victoria/st...57542467604480

    22:56 #Horlivka towards West is becoming louder and louder.
    https://twitter.com/gorlovkaonline/s...58493454741504

    22:44 #Avdiivka's Promzone: battle continues with mortars, small arms.
    https://twitter.com/Vika7Victoria/st...61197866450945

    23:19 #Horlivka - in the distance hearing incoming fire. Also AA-gun shooting.
    https://twitter.com/tgorlovka_news/s...64114912579586

    23:16 #Horlivka In the North-West shooting from smth heavy. Also hearing small arms.
    https://twitter.com/tgorlovka_news/s...63547444281344

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor....all good points but that is rational western thinking...you must place yourself into the current mindset of Putin and company...I often use the quote..."they are in an altered state of reality" to sum up their actions lately.

    In some ways Putin and company totally hate being ignored on their path to be accepted again as a "so called superpower".

    And those in such a state do not always think rationally or logically.

    There is a good example of this in the A2/AD article where I posted a comment today...in the "old days" the USAF had to bdeal with A2/AD belts composed of SA5/6/8s now the Russian A2/AD bubbles are well thought through and truly are designed to support Russia in a quick war...emphasis here is on "quick" and to deny NATO critical air space for a SEAD attack.

    BTW the defined use of a "tactical nuclear first strike" was first openly used by Putin in 2014 with their release of their new nuclear doctrine a rewrite of 2013 and it was not in any of their older nuclear doctrine ie SU days.

    BTW...it did not get much notice in US MSM nor a rise out of the Obama WH nor has the Obama WH and the US MSM gotten a rise out of the multiple violations by Russia of the INF.

    Again all designed to support a "quick war".....remember it takes all 28 NATO members in complete agreement to pull the Article 5 trigger and to go tactical nuclear is really questionable on NATO's part. I am not even sure the US and NATO even today has a tactical missile delivered nuke ability anymore???
    1. Putin is certainly a showman, but his actions have been much more measured than his words. Russia could have acted much more destructively in Georgia, Ukraine and Syria, and rhetoric and posturing notwithstanding, the Kremlin has used military force relatively minimally to secure its objectives. We have to look at the '90s as a blip and look at Russia's historical trend, which is aggressive.

    2. The Kremlin has given no indication that it intends to attack any NATO members or that it is less respectful of the alliance's deterrence than in prior years. Russia's response to the Su-24 shootdown was telling, as had Russia responded with force, I doubt that NATO would come to an Article V consensus.

    3. Indeed, Russian SAMs are more prominent now than during the Soviet era, although Russia has a fraction of Soviet land warfare capabilities. On paper these systems seem relatively superior to the Soviet "single-digit" ones on a time and technology-adjusted basis, however, US precision-strike capabilities also continue to improve. One would have to ask CrowBat about how effective the double-digit SAMs would be in combat against the current US strike force.

    4. I read your comments on SEAD. On the one hand, there is good reason to believe that the USAF and USMC were forced into low-end strike missions in support of the War on Terror, at the expense of preparing for high-end missions. This probably explains the AF's desire to rid itself of the A-10, which while highly useful in Afghanistan and Iraq, would be unable to fight in a contested environment. On the other hand, from what I can gather, SEAD will be performed differently in the future, by the F-35 instead of a dedicated aircraft.

    5. Russia abandoned its no-first use of nuclear weapons as early as 1992 and the 2014 doctrine isn't substantially different from the 2000 one. Certainly the notion of "de-escalation" via a tactical first strike is alarming, but it is part of broader nuclear saber-rattling, and one can be assured that both the US and Russia have contingency plans for "limited" nuclear warfare, however improbable it may be. Indeed, the entire argument for replacing the AGM-86 is to provide the POTUS with "more options".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    1. Putin is certainly a showman, but his actions have been much more measured than his words. Russia could have acted much more destructively in Georgia, Ukraine and Syria, and rhetoric and posturing notwithstanding, the Kremlin has used military force relatively minimally to secure its objectives. We have to look at the '90s as a blip and look at Russia's historical trend, which is aggressive.

    2. The Kremlin has given no indication that it intends to attack any NATO members or that it is less respectful of the alliance's deterrence than in prior years. Russia's response to the Su-24 shootdown was telling, as had Russia responded with force, I doubt that NATO would come to an Article V consensus.

    3. Indeed, Russian SAMs are more prominent now than during the Soviet era, although Russia has a fraction of Soviet land warfare capabilities. On paper these systems seem relatively superior to the Soviet "single-digit" ones on a time and technology-adjusted basis, however, US precision-strike capabilities also continue to improve. One would have to ask CrowBat about how effective the double-digit SAMs would be in combat against the current US strike force.

    4. I read your comments on SEAD. On the one hand, there is good reason to believe that the USAF and USMC were forced into low-end strike missions in support of the War on Terror, at the expense of preparing for high-end missions. This probably explains the AF's desire to rid itself of the A-10, which while highly useful in Afghanistan and Iraq, would be unable to fight in a contested environment. On the other hand, from what I can gather, SEAD will be performed differently in the future, by the F-35 instead of a dedicated aircraft.

    5. Russia abandoned its no-first use of nuclear weapons as early as 1992 and the 2014 doctrine isn't substantially different from the 2000 one. Certainly the notion of "de-escalation" via a tactical first strike is alarming, but it is part of broader nuclear saber-rattling, and one can be assured that both the US and Russia have contingency plans for "limited" nuclear warfare, however improbable it may be. Indeed, the entire argument for replacing the AGM-86 is to provide the POTUS with "more options".
    Azor....the comment concerning Russia was not that "destructive" in say Georgia, eastern Ukraine and now Syria...those civil societies might in fact have a minor disagreement with you on that point.

    Take currently Georgia...Russia is involved in an ever so slowly conducted annexation of further Georgian territory by simply crossing the demarcation lines....putting up a new border warning sign say another 500meters or so inside actual Georgian territory and then suddenly moving the entire border barrier in the middle of the night to just right behind the signs....they have now done this three times in the last six months expanding another 1.5kms inside Georgia territory and yet Georgia complains and the West says nothing..absolutely nothing....

    Take Syria....the RuAF under the Putin geo political goals is systematically destroying Syrian cities, town and villages doing exactly what Russia did in the two Chechnen wars...exactly the same thing....AND again not a single comment from the West concerning their war crimes and or their support to the Assad genocidal campaign directed against Arab Sunni's.

    Take eastern Ukraine.....with their constant and I mean serious and constant attacks on UAF positions with 29 KIA and 97 WIA just for May alone...ALL the while complaining Ukraine does not fulfill Minsk 2 while Russia has not fulfilled a single and I mean a single point in Minsk 2......not so sure the UAF would accept the term..."not so destructive".
    More casualties among soldiers and civilians. More often we see civilian areas at or away from frontline being shelled directly

    And the use of a tactical nuclear first strike "de-escalation"being exercised in every single Russian "snap exercise" in the last three years is not a decisive enough warning to the West of intent?

    Think about it.....BTW this might in fact be the indicator that the so called trying to gain "so called superpower status via aggression" maybe ending sooner than we thought.......

    Russians changed their views on what it means to be a superpower since 2014. Now it's about modern economy, not army
    https://slon.ru/posts/69277

    Maybe Russians after all the massive propaganda thrown at them are finally seeing that food is much more expensive than before 2014, that their salaries have fallen badly since 2014, that the economy has basically come to a standstill, that they cannot afford to even go on vacations as they did before 2014, that pensions are falling and will not be raised any time soon all since 2014....maybe just maybe they are awakening to the fact that to be a superpower it requires a "superpower" economy to support it.....BTW there are indicators that the propaganda being thrown at them is no longer really pulling them in the direction that Putin wants them to go in........

    BTW..there is still a lot we do not fully understand about Russian developments under Putin.....
    Chilling @novaya_gazeta report on secret Russian interior ministry prison discovered in Vladikavkaz, North Ossetia. http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/73418.html

    Moderator adds: last link has an English option, but it will not link to the cited article - which is in Russian.
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    The @OSCE_SMM mounted a camera to monitor who is shelling who in #Avdeevka.
    So militants turned off the electricity.


    Footage
    #Russia's proxies destroy Ukrainian army BMP-2 near #Pisky (claim).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa06REvA2uI

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    Kremlin's Russia Today propaganda channel booted out of Argentina. No more broadcasting
    http://www.rferl.org/content/argenti.../27791747.html

    Ukraine's Russian-annexed #Crimea, short of cash, starts taxing water collected from rain
    http://24today.net/open/672345

    Russian checkpoint on Crimean border stopped operating
    http://qha.com.ua/en/events-incident...rating/137492/

    "Putin's goal: to split Europe from US, to weaken both sides of Atlantic, make sure no influential Europe emerges" http://www.transatlanticacademy.org/node/941

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    ✔ @EUvsDisinfo Similar to KGB practices in the 1980's. Read the latest #DisinfoReview for more:
    http://eepurl.com/b4Rw7L
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    Video from #Horlivka last night, heavy artillery can be heard:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJoEhz6p-Us

    Footage
    The front near #Donetsk last night.
    War resumed at full pace w/almost all weapons.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6wuayAf60w
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor....the comment concerning Russia was not that "destructive" in say Georgia, eastern Ukraine and now Syria...those civil societies might in fact have a minor disagreement with you on that point.

    Take currently Georgia...Russia is involved in an ever so slowly conducted annexation of further Georgian territory by simply crossing the demarcation lines....putting up a new border warning sign say another 500meters or so inside actual Georgian territory and then suddenly moving the entire border barrier in the middle of the night to just right behind the signs....they have now done this three times in the last six months expanding another 1.5kms inside Georgia territory and yet Georgia complains and the West says nothing..absolutely nothing....

    Take Syria....the RuAF under the Putin geo political goals is systematically destroying Syrian cities, town and villages doing exactly what Russia did in the two Chechnen wars...exactly the same thing....AND again not a single comment from the West concerning their war crimes and or their support to the Assad genocidal campaign directed against Arab Sunni's.

    Take eastern Ukraine.....with their constant and I mean serious and constant attacks on UAF positions with 29 KIA and 97 WIA just for May alone...ALL the while complaining Ukraine does not fulfill Minsk 2 while Russia has not fulfilled a single and I mean a single point in Minsk 2......not so sure the UAF would accept the term..."not so destructive".
    More casualties among soldiers and civilians. More often we see civilian areas at or away from frontline being shelled directly

    And the use of a tactical nuclear first strike "de-escalation"being exercised in every single Russian "snap exercise" in the last three years is not a decisive enough warning to the West of intent?

    Think about it.....BTW this might in fact be the indicator that the so called trying to gain "so called superpower status via aggression" maybe ending sooner than we thought.......

    Russians changed their views on what it means to be a superpower since 2014. Now it's about modern economy, not army
    https://slon.ru/posts/69277

    Maybe Russians after all the massive propaganda thrown at them are finally seeing that food is much more expensive than before 2014, that their salaries have fallen badly since 2014, that the economy has basically come to a standstill, that they cannot afford to even go on vacations as they did before 2014, that pensions are falling and will not be raised any time soon all since 2014....maybe just maybe they are awakening to the fact that to be a superpower it requires a "superpower" economy to support it.....BTW there are indicators that the propaganda being thrown at them is no longer really pulling them in the direction that Putin wants them to go in........

    BTW..there is still a lot we do not fully understand about Russian developments under Putin.....
    Chilling @novaya_gazeta report on secret Russian interior ministry prison discovered in Vladikavkaz, North Ossetia. http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/73418.html
    Duplicate link removed.
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    http://freebeacon.com/national-secur...22488-46005157

    Did Russia Violate the New START Arms Treaty?

    Continued..........

    The Obama administration’s record for responding to arms cheating by Russia is weak. The State Department, which is in charge of monitoring treaty compliance, hid Moscow’s violation of the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty for several years to avoid upsetting its arms control agenda.

    The INF violation was finally made public in 2014 after prodding from Congress in a State Department report that said the violation involved Russia’s development of illegal ground-launched cruise missiles.

    NOTE: BTW those illegal ground launched cruise missiles have been fired in anger into Syria....verifying their existence....

    According to the State Department web site, there have been four “Type 2” on-site inspections since February under New START. Type 2 inspections are those used for confirming missile eliminations like those used for the SS-25.

    The location of the April treaty inspection could not be learned.

    Known locations where Russia has deployed SS-25s at bases include Yoshkar-Ola, Vypolzovo, Irkutsk, and Barnaul, according to the Russian strategic nuclear forces blog.

    In February, Secretary of State John Kerry hailed the fifth anniversary of the New START treaty as a “landmark” arms control accord.

    “New START is more important now than when it went into effect. It gives us the confidence and level of oversight we need— and could not otherwise have— by allowing U.S. inspectors unprecedented access to Russian nuclear facilities,” Kerry said.

    However, Russia has voiced less enthusiasm for the treaty. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said in April that New START will be an “end document” for U.S.-Russian arms control relations.

    Asked if New START is a final accord, Ryabkov told Interfax, “Saying ‘final’ is not fashionable today. I would say that this document will obviously become an end document because, indeed, it has an end position on this scale of coordinates, where the time scale goes to the right and the quantity scale goes upwards, in other words, it is the quantity of weapons slated for limitation.”

    The treaty calls for both Washington and Moscow to pare their nuclear arsenals to 700 deployed land-based and sea-based missiles and heavy bombers, 1,550 deployed warheads, and 800 non-deployed launchers and bombers.

    Last Saturday, Anita Friedt, principal deputy assistant secretary of state for arms control verification and compliance, gave a speech that gave no suggestion there are problems with New START verification.

    “Buttressed by this robust verification architecture, New START treaty implementation is proceeding well and both the United States and Russia are expected to meet the treaty’s central limits when they take effect in February 2018,” she said.

    However, Friedt said New START verification measures, despite their intrusiveness, “may not be sufficient for effective verification in the future.”

    The House fiscal 2017 defense authorization bill contains a provision that if passed would prohibit the Pentagon from spending any funds to implement New START until Pentagon officials reported to Congress about the treaty’s impact on critical defense capabilities.

    The provision would block funding until the defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff assessed the treaty’s impact on U.S. rapid reload of ballistic missiles and the impact of the treaty on U.S. deterrent strategy.

    The bill also would require an assessment of the threat posed by non-treaty-limited nuclear or strategic conventional systems to the United States and American allies and of the risk posed by Russian arms violations. It would require an explanation of why continued treaty implementation is in U.S. national security interests.
    Azor......does this sound like a sane Russia waning to actually fulfill their treaty obligations in stead of sidestepping or violating them since 2006....

    One major violation that the Obama WH and the US MSM has not picked up on is the required destruction of tanks, and fighting vehicles under two binding OSCE agreements.....numbers which reached into the low thousands of both categories...Russia asked and got an initial pushback date because Russia was involved in the Chechen 2 war. and stated it needed the armor and then they would destroy them later...BUT they have never destroyed a single armored vehicle to this date.

    BTW..all European NATO countries fulfilled their destruction numbers which has resulted in extremely low numbers of MBTs in NATO right now and this if one looks at was the main reason for deploying US armor back to the US to met those OSCE numbers.

    THEN suddenly all those supposedly due for destruction T72B3s and T80s appeared in eastern Ukraine and are still there.
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    Russia|n 45 Specialised Brigade (Kubinka, #Moscow) is involved in #EastUkraine - MoD rt @RutheniaRus
    pic.twitter.com/iulaLIrPjz

    Play "divide and re-conquer" to get back Donbas? Why not, asks @Euan_MacDonald
    http://www.kyivpost.com/article/opin...ampaign=buffer

    Horlivka last night.
    Listen in! #Russia's troops in the town use artillery vs #Ukraine
    .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJoEhz6p-Us

    Russia propaganda hits new low: RT dramatization of Ukraine killing Russian speakers in Crimea–if not for hero Putin
    https://twitter.com/rt_russian/statu...89328230666240
    Putin planning smthing? Why does Russia need new anti-Ukraine fear fantasy preying on fears of language, nationalism

    Overnight pro Russians attacked Toretsk with 152mm artillery, many houses destroyed, there are injured civilians
    Toretsk is about 10km away from the frontline
    .
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    Remains of Russian army servicemen found in Ukraine's east
    http://24today.net/open/672557

    Two bodies with Russian army insignia unearthed in Luhansk region

    The Evacuation 200 body recovery mission under the Armed Forces of Ukraine has found the remains of two soldiers with Russian army chevrons near the village of Krymske in Luhansk region, according to Hromadske TV.

    The grave site was found due to a sign with the name, the birth and death dates of a fighter, who was buried there. The sign reads: "Sergey Shirolapov, 09.02.1971 – 19.02.2015. Novorossiya's Militia."

    "One more grave site has been spotted. We're retrieving the remains for further examination," Evacuation 200 coordinator Mykhailo Kotylevsky said.

    One of the dead bodies had a fragment of the clothes with a chevron saying "Russia – the Armed Forces." The second body has not been identified yet.

    "Every soldier who died in this territory shall be buried. This is our understanding of humaneness, and it should be so. Just because of this, our organization, Evacuation 200, is able to cross the contact line in this or that direction. We don't label the dead as ours or the enemy's," participant in the Evacuation 200 project Oleksiy Yukov said.

    The remains will be sent to the Severodonetsk morgue for examination. Samples will be taken for DNA examination. Then the members of the organization will try to get into contact with the dead soldiers' families for the transfer of the bodies.
    10 Russian soldiers destroyed, 22 injured over week, - Defense Intelligence

    11.06.2016 16:50

    As reported by Censor.NET, an increase in Russia's combat activity at the Donetsk, Mariupol, and Volnovakha directions results in losses among Russian servicemen of the 1st Army Corps. According to the Main Intelligence Department of Ukraine's MoD, "the enemy continues to suffer significant losses making at least 10 killed and about 22 wounded per week."
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    Russia is attacking the OSCE: shooting down drones, blinding cameras, deploying rent-a-mobs. Bizarrely, RU is a member of OSCE.

    Russia "disappears" (kidnaps & murders) Crimean Tatars; shells, rockets Ukraine daily. This is what the German FM Steinmeier says: https://twitter.com/112newsfeed/stat...62187098386433

    Ukraine says it lost 2 soldiers KIA, 10 WIA during heavy fighting in the east. Denies reports of an offensive.

    20:34 #Marinka UA positions @missi8111 AGLs wear local inhabitants out, fragment fly over the town

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    Russian shelling's and ground attacks are ongoing .....

    Frontline active also on #Horlivka's outskirts: Mayorsk, Shyroka Balka, Holma.

    21:20 #Makiivka @rjpthjuljytwr [ok.ru]
    #medical school: loudly
    #Kholodna_Balka" we can hear it for about 10 min so far

    21:20 Heavy explosions on #Avdiivka's outskirts.

    Avdiivka 21:21 Heavy incoming at the Promzone.

    21:20 @rjpthjuljytwr [fb]
    #Makiivka #center: powerfully, singles
    #Donetsk #Azotnyi: we can hear far explosions, strong ones

    21:20 #Makiivka #Zalenyi @rjpthjuljytwr [fb] Strong singles rumble

    21:13 #Avdiivka @Cryion1 one can hear heavy explosions, probably 120mm, salvo sound is barely heard. 20-25 so far and it goes on

    21:10 #Makiivka @rjpthjuljytwr [fb] a cannon is shelling

    21:12 #Avdiivka @VadyXaXa "methodically and heavily"

    21:11 #Avdiivka @tiamat007 Since 21:10 till now heavy landings continue

    21:10 #Avdiivka @LuftGanza #Promka is already noisy

    21:10 #Makiivka @rjpthjuljytwr [fb] a cannon is shelling

    21:10 #Makiivka @VasyaMakeevskiy It is similar to salvos from the area of #bypass-#Yagodka, plus salvos are heard fr/#Mineralne direction

    21:08 #Horlivka @tgorlovka_news Firing started in the N-NW

    21:04 #Horlivka [pro-RU source] @Julia__JM The evening begins. Battle started in the west
    #donbasreports

    21:06 #Makiivka #Vostochnyi @rjpthjuljytwr [fb] sounds loudly

    20:55 #Toretsk @serg4er "Warm-up" begins, at first AA-gun, now it started to boom a bit

    20:34 #Marinka UA positions @missi8111 AGLs wear local inhabitants out, fragment fly over the town

    20:25 #Marinka #Zelenyi_Hai @rjpthjuljytwr Again [battle] in the direction of #boarding school

    20:27 #Marinka UA positions @missi8111 not quiet, battle continues for almost 2 hours...

    20:16 #Donetsk #Trudovski @rjpthjuljytwr continue listening, there was a short pause, but not for long, to be continued

    20:15 #Donetsk #Petrovka @rjpthjuljytwr [fb]feels like SA bursts are coming fr/#Trudovski&#Oleksandrivka dir'n. Arty booms in #Marinka dir'n

    20:12 #Donetsk @KarachenU Battle noise reaches periodically #Kirovskyi ds from the direction of #Krasnohorivka

    18:57 #Horlivka @ahab9889 Has it seemed to me or it boomed?
    @occupation79 Yes and strongly

    EastUkraine: 5 border crossings from Russia to Ukraine in the last week with heavy weapon, ammunition, fuel - MoD.

    18:35 #Marinka @faina_ukr area of #boarding school: high intensity of the battle

    18:15 #Donetsk #Trudovski @rjpthjuljytwr noisy, seriuos bangs and booms started so far...

    Krasnohorivka @666_mancer [vk]
    15:00 relatively quiet, from time to time one can hear far shooting
    16:00 quiet

    Toretsk last night shelling aftermath, 7 homes damaged, no injuries

    17:58 #Marinka @faina_ukr area of #boarding school: battle begins
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    Toretsk is the city 10 kms NW to Horlivka. First major attack there
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/11-june...n-toretsk-with
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    1. Putin is certainly a showman, but his actions have been much more measured than his words. Russia could have acted much more destructively in Georgia, Ukraine and Syria, and rhetoric and posturing notwithstanding, the Kremlin has used military force relatively minimally to secure its objectives. We have to look at the '90s as a blip and look at Russia's historical trend, which is aggressive.

    2. The Kremlin has given no indication that it intends to attack any NATO members or that it is less respectful of the alliance's deterrence than in prior years. Russia's response to the Su-24 shootdown was telling, as had Russia responded with force, I doubt that NATO would come to an Article V consensus.

    3. Indeed, Russian SAMs are more prominent now than during the Soviet era, although Russia has a fraction of Soviet land warfare capabilities. On paper these systems seem relatively superior to the Soviet "single-digit" ones on a time and technology-adjusted basis, however, US precision-strike capabilities also continue to improve. One would have to ask CrowBat about how effective the double-digit SAMs would be in combat against the current US strike force.

    4. I read your comments on SEAD. On the one hand, there is good reason to believe that the USAF and USMC were forced into low-end strike missions in support of the War on Terror, at the expense of preparing for high-end missions. This probably explains the AF's desire to rid itself of the A-10, which while highly useful in Afghanistan and Iraq, would be unable to fight in a contested environment. On the other hand, from what I can gather, SEAD will be performed differently in the future, by the F-35 instead of a dedicated aircraft.

    5. Russia abandoned its no-first use of nuclear weapons as early as 1992 and the 2014 doctrine isn't substantially different from the 2000 one. Certainly the notion of "de-escalation" via a tactical first strike is alarming, but it is part of broader nuclear saber-rattling, and one can be assured that both the US and Russia have contingency plans for "limited" nuclear warfare, however improbable it may be. Indeed, the entire argument for replacing the AGM-86 is to provide the POTUS with "more options".
    Azor...highly recommend you read this article into the thinking of what I call the "Russian altered state of reality"......

    Some solid insight in what we are seeing from Putin....

    Playing Tic-Tac-Toe with Putin
    http://atfp.co/25Swld3
    Russia is playing chess in Syria. The United States is playing tic-tac-toe

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    Russian info warfare hard at work creating "fake" news portals.....AND "fake" journalists"......

    Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews
    Here's one example of fake 'Forest Echo News' concocting "journos" out of thin air (and other people's photos).

    This fake company steals photos of real journos, using them for profile pics of their 109+ faux journos. Their quotes are used by Rus media.

    Who's this 'Forest Echo News' journo? Nobody - they just made up a name and stole a picture from a shirt sales ad.

    Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews
    Here is how fake 'Forest Echo News' reacted to being questioned: first protecting, then deleting their account.


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