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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    See their blurb here

    If you don't watch it for its insights, watch it for Lynn and Lauren. I'm sorry Outlaw, but I'd sooner talk this Russia business out with them
    Watched the video and there was a number of interesting items that they covered that social media has been already covering...
    1. the Russian banking figures do not add up for their foreign currency reserves ie although they are buying gold like crazy....their gold reserves show a drop of over 10B from the last report instead of being up....
    2. the two funds they are referring to are well below what the government claims is in them
    3. closed banks due to dead beat loans and corruption are scheduled to hit around 200 this year

    And lastly at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum this last week ...the Serbbank President publicly called on Putin to end the "Donbas story" as the economy is tanking faster than Putin fully realizes........

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    Third Russian JCCC member sent back to Russia due to spying.....

    Ukraine deports Russian colonel w/ Joint Ceasefire Center. For spying. Others r just law-abiding ‘rebels’

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    UAF anticipating a massive increase in the Russian troop and her mercenary "parties" in the coming hours and days....these "parties" are reaching a full scale major ground offensive by the Russians as they have moved troops and heavy tanks and artillery up to literally the edge of the Minsk 2 front line......

    Ukraine redeploying volunteers to the front lines. War In Europe
    The AZOV and Donbass battalions are being sent back to the front in #Ukraine

    https://twitter.com/Interpreter_Mag/...27115626860544
    19:34 #Novhorodske @subwayriwer First heavy booms to the left from #Horlivka

    19:44 #Avdiivka old part [=S/SE] @Cryion1 since 19:20 landings are heard fr/the area of broken bridge on #Kostyantynivka route or further W

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    19:34 #Novhorodske @subwayriwer First heavy booms to the left from #Horlivka

    19:44 #Avdiivka old part [=S/SE] @Cryion1 since 19:20 landings are heard fr/the area of broken bridge on #Kostyantynivka route or further W
    Single report of MLRS fired from #Makeevka last night:
    https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/745868854463705088

    Makiivka #Gvardeyka @666_mancer [krokha] "Overnight, few times MLRS fired from close positions, but far landings in 8-9 sec"

    [vk] @666_mancer
    #Krasnohorivka
    03:25 AR burst, quiet
    05:50 quiet
    #Marinka
    05:03 Booms and skirmishes for already an hour
    06:25 quiet

    Ukraine says it has sent two battle-hardened volunteer militias - Azov, Donbass battalions - back to the front because of intense fighting

    Shelling in #Avdeevka was heavy last night, civilian was wounded. Ukraine troops used mortars to strike back on pro Russian firing positions

    46 pro Russian attacks yesterday, mortars and artillery used. Residential areas were hit in #Avdiivka, #Popasn and #Vodyane.

    Mariupol heard sound of fighting last evening as pro Russians shelled #Talakivka, #Shyrokyne and #Vodyane
    http://www.0629.com.ua/news/1270622

    Party is on again...now...
    08:11 #Volnovakha @IVolnovakha Strong booms, #Novotroitske direction
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-23-2016 at 07:11 AM.

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    Reference Russian shot down of MH17.......

    Bellingcat publishes new photos of Russian Buk on day of MH17 downing
    http://www.unian.info/war/1383755-be...7-downing.html

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    Beautiful "vodka moments from yesterday".........

    U.S. Controls Minds Through Netflix - Culture Minister | News | The Moscow Times
    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...er/573267.html

    ... Russian TV lost the last shores of sanity: Hitler's Germany = NATO
    Video link
    http://apostrophe.com.ua/news/societ...no-video/63140
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    OSCE Patrol hit by "pro" russian mortar shelling in Ukraine government controlled territory Vodiane
    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/248141

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference Russian shot down of MH17.......

    Bellingcat publishes new photos of Russian Buk on day of MH17 downing
    http://www.unian.info/war/1383755-be...7-downing.html
    AND as anticipated the Russian disinformation starts early today.....

    "Ok, we grant you this, but how did GOOGLE know BUK was going to shoot down #MH17? Why else did it take a photo?" https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/sta...83002232840193

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    The Ukrainian army #Donbas war casualty figure for 2016 passed 700 tonight (KIA+WIA).
    1 killed, 11 injured yesterday.


    UKR Mission to OSCE ‏@UKRinOSCE
    #Prokopchuk: We reiteraite our call on @RF_OSCE 2explain how Rus R330ZH Zhitel, again spotted by @OSCE_SMM last week, emerged in #Donbas

    Zhitel is strictly Russia military used equipment and has never been exported/shipped outside Russia.....

    When Russian signed the Minsk Agreements, it agreed to restore control of Ukraine's intl border to the Ukrainian gov
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    Azor.......

    Russia seen putting new nuclear-capable missiles in Kaliningrad by 2019
    http://reut.rs/28QOvJK

    Four myths of Donbas conflict dissected: language, identity, religion and nationalism
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...raines-fog-war
    by @TarasKuzio

    Use this chart the next time someone mentions "US troops encircling Russia."
    http://www.hoover.org/sites/default/...engagement.pdf
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-23-2016 at 12:29 PM.

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    Large cache of weapons and ammo found in #Zaporizhia.
    https://twitter.com/vitaliy00700/sta...41175308288000

    58th Russian "humanitarian" convoy was half empty, illegally crossed into Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/zn_ua/status/745892908876828672

    ATO spox:Russian JCCC rep was giving info on @OSCE_SMM drones, fakes abt UA Army to militants. SBU banned from entering the country for 5yrs

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    Ukraine Seeks Radars, Anti-Drone Weapons
    http://defnews.ly/28P5X0N via @Defense_News

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    How #Russia used #Orthodox fundamentalism to hijack the Church Council in Crete:
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/06/2...ncil-in-crete/

    Russian non linear warfare also includes the ROC........which BTW ROC called for a jihadi in Syria when Putin went into Syria....
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    Top Kremlin propagandist Kiselev: "Propaganda is just a way to explain something, just presenting an opinion". https://twitter.com/bbcukrainian/sta...62004943409152

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    OSCE SMM states the Minsk ceasefire is broken 8000 times a week lately.....
    in German
    @OSCE_SMM A. Hug: Die Waffenruhe im Donbas bricht 8000 Mal pro Woche


    http://www.bild.de/bild-plus/politik...0456.bild.html

    Russian party has started......

    21:22 #Avdiivka @VadyXaXa it is loud as hell


    21:32 #Avdiivka @tiamat007 [UA reply for 2 min]

    21:33 #Avdiivka @LuftGanza [UAF artillery is shelling]

    21:29 #Horlivka #Rtutnyi @tetznka the evening becomes not languorous anymore...

    21:30 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [fb]
    #Shakhtarska Sq: far booms
    #Kalininskyi, #Druzhba: w/open windows one can hear far dull salvos

    21:30 NW #Horlivka @_GivNeyt_ 15 min ago, there were landings on delimitation line, #mine6-7's outskirts. Battle goes on more than 30 min

    21:31 #Donetsk @_Pushistiy_ Mortar shells land. Each 5-10 sec

    21:32 #Donetsk @MitAndersen Heavy weapons continue to pound and landings on #Donetsk north outskirts. The evening seems to be cheerful

    21:40 Shelling in #Talakivka area.

    June 13, Donbas, Ukrainian positions under the shelling of Russians...
    via @SWISSUKRAINE

    https://youtu.be/vUqz7fSmkkk

    21:48 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [fb]
    #Marabushta: dull booms
    #Gladkovka: one can hear salvos, heavy, frequent since 18:30. Far but unpleasant

    Marinka @666_mancer [vk]
    18:41 quiet
    20:33 a boom
    20:59 sporadic shots
    21:32 booms, shooting
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    Default Russia and the INF Treaty

    The drama over American accusations of Russian INFT violations since 2011 is very interesting...

    Over time, we have come to learn that the violations surround Russian testing of the new RS-26 ICBM and R-500 GLCM:

    • The RS-26 was initially tested as an ICBM, but subsequent testing at intermediate ranges and with MARVs typical of the pre-INFT IRBMs have raised suspicions that its intended deployment is at intermediate ranges. However, the INFT does not prohibit the parties from using ICBMs for shorter ranges, and Russia is accounting for the RS-26 under New START.
    • The R-500 appears to be an evolved ground-launched variant of MKB Raduga's KH-55 ALCM, which also inspired the RK-55 GLCM later banned under the INFT. Although apparently tested at a range of more than 2,000 km (as with the ALCM), the Russians claim that the R-500 is actually limited to 500 km per the INFT.
    • The real concern is whether the Iskander, which is capable of launching nuclear SRBMs, will be able to launch nuclear IRBMs.


    For Russia's part, it has announced dissatisfaction with the INFT as early as 2007, due primarily to Chinese missile developments.

    The delay and then gradual approach to American censure of Russian INFT violations was apparently due to the length of time it took to determine that the cruise missile being tested was a dedicated GLCM, rather than an ALCM or SLCM which are obviously not covered in the treaty.

    Yet we see US officials conflating issues and indeed treaties. Frank Rose provides no detail as to Russia's INFT violations, but then discusses how Aegis Ashore is no threat to Russia's ICBMs. The deployment of Iskanders to Kaliningrad frequently are discussed in the context of the ABM Treaty (which the US withdrew from) and the INFT, which in fact does not cover SRBMs.

    If Russia is violating the INFT, it may in fact benefit the United States:

    • If Russia abrogates the INFT first, the US can follow suit without blame and then develop weapons to counter China
    • Russian violations pose a threat to NATO, however, there are far less US assets at risk in Europe than in 1987. The risk is overwhelmingly to non-US NATO forces
    • Further Russian development and expansion of their ALCM and SLCM arsenal would be much more threatening to the US and indicate a more offensive or expeditionary intent. In contrast, GLCM and IRBMs are constrained by range and more associated with a defensive approach
    • The US is developing both a new dual-capable ALCM and a LRASM. These systems have commonalities and it can be safely assumed that there is a new dual-capable SLCM in the works...
    • From my perspective, the INFT was about the Soviets eliminating a disruptive American capability, rather than eliminating two equivalent threats
    • The other nuclear powers need to be brought into new multilateral nuclear warhead and delivery system agreements, or else New START and the INFT will become obsolete
    • China is Russia's primary threat, and GLCMs are an efficient way to provide A2/AD exclusion over Siberia, given the impossibility of naval support and the difficulties of ALCM-carrier coverage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    The drama over American accusations of Russian INFT violations since 2011 is very interesting...

    Over time, we have come to learn that the violations surround Russian testing of the new RS-26 ICBM and R-500 GLCM:

    • The RS-26 was initially tested as an ICBM, but subsequent testing at intermediate ranges and with MARVs typical of the pre-INFT IRBMs have raised suspicions that its intended deployment is at intermediate ranges. However, the INFT does not prohibit the parties from using ICBMs for shorter ranges, and Russia is accounting for the RS-26 under New START.
    • The R-500 appears to be an evolved ground-launched variant of MKB Raduga's KH-55 ALCM, which also inspired the RK-55 GLCM later banned under the INFT. Although apparently tested at a range of more than 2,000 km (as with the ALCM), the Russians claim that the R-500 is actually limited to 500 km per the INFT.
    • The real concern is whether the Iskander, which is capable of launching nuclear SRBMs, will be able to launch nuclear IRBMs.


    For Russia's part, it has announced dissatisfaction with the INFT as early as 2007, due primarily to Chinese missile developments.

    The delay and then gradual approach to American censure of Russian INFT violations was apparently due to the length of time it took to determine that the cruise missile being tested was a dedicated GLCM, rather than an ALCM or SLCM which are obviously not covered in the treaty.

    Yet we see US officials conflating issues and indeed treaties. Frank Rose provides no detail as to Russia's INFT violations, but then discusses how Aegis Ashore is no threat to Russia's ICBMs. The deployment of Iskanders to Kaliningrad frequently are discussed in the context of the ABM Treaty (which the US withdrew from) and the INFT, which in fact does not cover SRBMs.

    If Russia is violating the INFT, it may in fact benefit the United States:

    • If Russia abrogates the INFT first, the US can follow suit without blame and then develop weapons to counter China
    • Russian violations pose a threat to NATO, however, there are far less US assets at risk in Europe than in 1987. The risk is overwhelmingly to non-US NATO forces
    • Further Russian development and expansion of their ALCM and SLCM arsenal would be much more threatening to the US and indicate a more offensive or expeditionary intent. In contrast, GLCM and IRBMs are constrained by range and more associated with a defensive approach
    • The US is developing both a new dual-capable ALCM and a LRASM. These systems have commonalities and it can be safely assumed that there is a new dual-capable SLCM in the works...
    • From my perspective, the INFT was about the Soviets eliminating a disruptive American capability, rather than eliminating two equivalent threats
    • The other nuclear powers need to be brought into new multilateral nuclear warhead and delivery system agreements, or else New START and the INFT will become obsolete
    • China is Russia's primary threat, and GLCMs are an efficient way to provide A2/AD exclusion over Siberia, given the impossibility of naval support and the difficulties of ALCM-carrier coverage
    Azor....actually agree with your comments...my concern is the announced Russian parking tactical nuclear capable missiles right next to the NATO borders coupled with their de-escalation nuclear first strike is in fact a serious threat and it eliminates any warning time even for the US/NATO missile defense systems and the flight times are in seconds not minutes as with ICBMs.....and BTW the Russians fully know the Ageis system has never been against Russian ICBMs....which they even occasionally admit...

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    An interesting statement and it clashes with the current Russian "narrative"....on how and why Crimea was taken....if a "peacekeeping operation" then who against and WHEN will they leave?????

    Russian propaganda claims soldiers who invaded Crimea were “peacekeeping mission
    http://khpg.org http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1466118961

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    The best analysis on #russianpropaganda so far by Finnish experts.
    http://bit.ly/1XiKXQe

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