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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    [B]Video of USS Gravely changing lanes in front of Russia frigate
    The Gravely wasn't quite as inconsiderate as PLAN and Russian vessels have been in the past and certainly didn't ram the Yaroslav Mudry...

    Nevertheless, it is high time that the Russians were responded to in kind.

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    Serious Russian partying ongoing extremely intense and very early today...going to be a long party day....


    05:36 #Debaltseve @GirkinGirkin [vk] "Too much of good morning" "It lands at #Sanzharivka and #Skeleva_Balka" "...vibration via my house"

    07:00 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [ok.ru]
    "Again noise started in the south, #Proletarskyi is listening"
    "#Bosse: one can hear gunnery fr/S"...

    07:15 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [fb]
    "#Hryshky: double booms, SE. Vibration in the house" "#Proletarskyi: it booms heavily, periodically"

    8:20AM UAF positions near #Lohvinove are under artillery fire.
    Shooting from #Debaltseve direction
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    https://twitter.com/hu_svetlodarsk/s...23395774767106

    Volunteers evacuated 3 WIAs from #Avdiivka.
    https://twitter.com/fhntv29/status/748027549758951425

    Video of KIA today in e. #Ukraine (journo Barska said) a #Ukrainian opera singer from #Paris, #France Vasyl Slipak
    https://youtu.be/ZNrROFlxQxA

    RU-controlled #Trudovski @666_mancer "shellings aftermath"
    pic.twitter.com/hLlF2wi5Xn
    more photos at
    http://vk.com/wall-17624375_618761
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    All have wanted Merkel to led and now she is leading both in Brexit and in Ukraine and the US is not going to like it one bit....

    There can be absolutely no elections in eastern Ukraine until there is a complete and formal ceasefire

    Merkel: Die Wahlen in der Donbass ist jetzt unmglich...erst nach der vollstndigen Einstellung des Feuers.

    While the Obama/Rhodes/Kerry/Nuland WH is trying desperately to get a peace deal before he leaves for his legacy and is pushing for elections to cave to Russia to get the deal.....

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    Say hello to #Russia's tracking/jamming equipment in #Ukraine. Full report via @MFA_Ukraine https://www.facebook.com/UkraineMFA/...32457376808182

    Russian servicemen captured by Ukraine brought to Mariupol.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/sta...09575532822528

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    Serious development that many have said is coming soon and based on the ever increasing artillery and ground attacks which are hardcore prepping/probing attacks....probably sooner than later......

    Next attack on Ukraine announced – Russia moves key leaders and troops into position
    https://wp.me/p2m8l5-eX2

    AND the Obama/Rhodes/Kerry/Nuland WH thinks Putin wants a settlement and Obama will get his legacy deal????

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    But if to be honest - Ukrainian troops should seize Debaltseve back to comply with Minsk2
    http://liveuamap.com/

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    08:40 #Donetsk @laokoon821 Via #Golden_Ring 2 buses w/orcs and siren, woman at bus stop: "When will you bitches will be satisfied with fighting?"

    12:16 #Yenakiieve @ZloyEnakievec #Svitlodarsk continues to make noise, sporadically but audibly

    12:34 #Yenakiieve @ZloyEnakievec By sound, something tracked clattered towards #Vuhlehirsk
    @BertaBerta234 2 tanks from #Debaltseve

    Rumors that Ukrainian forces are conduction operations around #Debaltseve and entered #Lohvynove what caused casualties. Not confirmed.

    BTW.....which they can in fact do as Russian troops took Deblatseve AFTER Minsk 2 was signed and Debaltseve was not part of the territory conceded in Minsk 2 BECAUSE Russian wanted a railhead which Debaltseve is......

    Russian troops and her Cossack mercenaries suffered high loses in that fighting...and Putin in a Norwegian press conference crowed about UAF being defeated by miners and truck drivers which really were Russian troops BUT UAF pulled out of the pocket nearly 3K troops and heavy weapons AFTER Putin claimed they were surrounded.....

    Previous Ukraine threads had the postings of that battle.....

    12:36 #Yenakiieve @ZloyEnakievec 1 salvo
    12:49 another one
    12:55 Direction: #Kayutyne, #Vyhlehirsk, and once more, goes out northwards

    The strange coincidence is that apparently there are also rumors among pro Russians that an offensive on Debaltseve is pending

    1 year ago, "#Minsk2" was signed
    6 days later,#Putin's troops captured #Debaltseve
    @OSCE_SMM's A. Hug on that to me:


    In other words:
    To fulfil the #Minsk agreement, #Russia (DNR/LNR) must return #Debaltseve & ~ 20 surrounding towns and villages to #Ukraine!


    13:52 #Horlivka @Xykalinovka A series of salvos sounded fr/#Vuhlehirsk direction, explosions are heard fr/#Svitlodarsk-#Debaltseve direction
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    Debaltseve area @rechnikato: "Near #Lohvynove UA troops advanced 5 km forward, drove separs fr/their position, UA: 3 WIA"
    [unconfirmed]


    The Ukrainian army advanced 4 kilometers into "DPR"-held territory to conduct operations near #Lohvynove.

    14:23 #Debaltseve area, (UA positions) @kazarin13 We have already 7 wounded, we hang in

    14:30 #Horlivka @thunderbolt1488 "So I hope everything reported on Debaltseve is true. Pounding almost nonstop in thфе dir'n,#Vodaphone down"
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    Arms Expert: Russia Quick to Threaten #Nuclear Strikes in Regional Conflicts
    https://news.usni.org/2016/06/28/arm...eid=6679afe424

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    This story gets even wilder: an FSB officer beat up a U.S. spy under diplomatic cover in front of U.S. embassy??! https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...6b1_story.html

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    Heavy Fighting Reported Near Debaltsevo This Afternoon
    http://www.interpretermag.com/day-863/#14396

    17:12 #Rovenki @ZlbRvnk New fuel train arrived to oil depot, line of fuel trucks there since morning, &still go, no tank-wagon already there

    17:34 #Yasynuvata @GirkinGirkin As rain stopped, battle in the area of #Promka began

    After weeks of steady escalation, reports of battle underway in E #Ukraine; Kiev forces pushing toward Debaltseve. https://twitter.com/novostidnua/stat...40347130318848

    UKRAINE: Heavy fighting reported along frontline towards #Svitlodarsk-#Debaltseve. Reports Ukrainian Military on the offensive. -

    16:45 #Svitlodarsk UA positions @kazarin13 Separs' cannons don't cease at all
    16:47 D-30, 152mm, 80mm, 120mm, 122mm, tanks are working


    Reports fighting began Luhans'ke near #Debaltseve at 5AM & Ukr forces pushed back. WIA & KIA
    https://inforesist.org/smi-boi-pod-d...tozhili-vzvod/
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    50 Kerch hospital employees in Russia annexed Crimea dumped their jobs over low wages, deteriorating work conditions
    http://qha.com.ua/m/read.php?id=161770&lang=ru

    Lenin Sovkhoz (farm) outside Moscow reports record numbers of people willing to work for food (berries)
    http://govoritmoskva.ru/news/84108

    Memo to NATO: Wake Up Before Putin Turns the Black Sea into a Russian Lake
    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...NwIVik.twitter

    Kremlin Donbas Proxies launch Russian-style ‘fight against Ukrainian extremism’...
    http://fb.me/CBkyjGYC
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    Serious fighting is now ongoing near Debaltseve....EVIDENTLY triggered by a Russian ground attack since 0500 and then UAF pushed back and just kept going......

    "We have the real full-scale war here near #Svitlodarsk and #Lohvynove"

    https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/748161161263198208

    16:43 [#Debaltseve area] @rechnikato about 11 wounded in the 54th brigade
    [unconfirmed]


    16:42 [#Debaltseve area] @rechnikato "25th batt.&54th brig. didn't enter #Lohvynove, were near it, dropped back for now, RU arty went crazy"

    16:21 #Horlivka #Kalinovka @Xykalinovka Batlle in #Lohvynove direction doesn't cease, booms are audible all the time
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    Default Russian Nuclear Strategy

    Here is a June 27 panel from CSIS

    I fell asleep attempting to watch it more than once, so for those who are interested, the folks at the USNI broke it down...

    According to panelist Nikolai Sokov, Russia's nuclear doctrine, prompted to a large degree by Operation Allied Force in Kosovo is: "Threaten to use nuclear weapons against any major power that may try to block Moscow from having its way in a regional conflict."

    Sokov also noted that in addition to the more recent simulated nuclear strike on Sweden, Russian exercises simulated strikes against Diego Garcia (2003) and Guam (2007).

    This is interesting as when one adds the Hainan Island incident, the Russian invasion of Georgia and lack of high-end military investment (e.g. F-22), it becomes clear that the GWB Administration was utterly weak in the face of high-end political and military competition and sacrificed American prestige and capabilities in order to further low-end wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Here is a June 27 panel from CSIS

    I fell asleep attempting to watch it more than once, so for those who are interested, the folks at the USNI broke it down...

    According to panelist Nikolai Sokov, Russia's nuclear doctrine, prompted to a large degree by Operation Allied Force in Kosovo is: "Threaten to use nuclear weapons against any major power that may try to block Moscow from having its way in a regional conflict."

    Sokov also noted that in addition to the more recent simulated nuclear strike on Sweden, Russian exercises simulated strikes against Diego Garcia (2003) and Guam (2007).

    This is interesting as when one adds the Hainan Island incident, the Russian invasion of Georgia and lack of high-end military investment (e.g. F-22), it becomes clear that the GWB Administration was utterly weak in the face of high-end political and military competition and sacrificed American prestige and capabilities in order to further low-end wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    Now you are getting it.........

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    When Russian Armed Forces TV shows LPR/GRU maps, you know there's trouble coming (like a new Russian operation?) https://twitter.com/zvezdanews/statu...31546914639872

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Serious fighting is now ongoing near Debaltseve....EVIDENTLY triggered by a Russian ground attack since 0500 and then UAF pushed back and just kept going......

    "We have the real full-scale war here near #Svitlodarsk and #Lohvynove"

    https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/748161161263198208

    16:43 [#Debaltseve area] @rechnikato about 11 wounded in the 54th brigade
    [unconfirmed]


    16:42 [#Debaltseve area] @rechnikato "25th batt.&54th brig. didn't enter #Lohvynove, were near it, dropped back for now, RU arty went crazy"

    16:21 #Horlivka #Kalinovka @Xykalinovka Batlle in #Lohvynove direction doesn't cease, booms are audible all the time
    Dokuchaevsk: heavy fighting
    pic.twitter.com/aLti6phGRb
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-june...heavy-fighting

    21:31 #Izyum @IzumLLllah Helicopter went towards #Kharkiv, probably transporting the wounded

    OSCE:We haven't got any notification on sapper works near Shirokine as Russian side claimed
    pic.twitter.com/bDoovd2OfT
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-june...n-sapper-works

    21:40 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [ok.ru]
    "#YuESS can hear freq explosions from the south" "#Oleksandrivka listens to the south, powerfully"

    Svitlodarsk UA positions: "We have the real full-scale war hear near Svitlodarsk and Lohvynove"
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-june...real-fullscale

    Svitlodarsk: No electricity in entire Svitlodarsk, single projectiles hit closer and closer
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-june...re-svitlodarsk

    21:34 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [fb] "#Tekstilschik can hear non-stop rumble fr/NW"... "#Zaperevalna is listening to far heavy booms"

    Russian militants accounts reporting on some Ukrainian tanks+infrantry activity near Debaltseve
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-jun

    UA mil intel reports,2 trucks with ammo,1 with spare parts for mil equipment and 7 tanks with fuel arrived from RU http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-june...ucks-with-ammo

    Several Ukrainians wounded, 1 reportedly killed in fighting near Debaltseve
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/29-june...edly-killed-in
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    Default From the Jamestown Foundation

    Roger McDermott: Putin Bluffs on Challenging NATO

    "Following the Brexit, Putin can now rely on attempting to exploit a greatly weaker EU, but he is unsure about the future strength of NATO or transatlantic resolve. In addition, the ability of Russia’s defense industry to fully deliver on the high ambitions of military modernization remains somewhat open to question."

    Jörgen Elfving: Russia’s June 2016 Snap Exercise

    "The exercise seems to have been partly a command-post exercise (CPX), partly a mobilization drill. The latter part might not in reality have been all that comprehensive, but it still seemed to be an important test of the developing mobilization system as well as the basis for further development and another step toward building Russia’s military capability."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Roger McDermott: Putin Bluffs on Challenging NATO

    "Following the Brexit, Putin can now rely on attempting to exploit a greatly weaker EU, but he is unsure about the future strength of NATO or transatlantic resolve. In addition, the ability of Russia’s defense industry to fully deliver on the high ambitions of military modernization remains somewhat open to question."

    Jörgen Elfving: Russia’s June 2016 Snap Exercise

    "The exercise seems to have been partly a command-post exercise (CPX), partly a mobilization drill. The latter part might not in reality have been all that comprehensive, but it still seemed to be an important test of the developing mobilization system as well as the basis for further development and another step toward building Russia’s military capability."
    Azor...here is the thing with these snap drills and mobilization drills...watch their speed to alert and move out of their bases....

    The US USAEUR/7th Army Commander recently stated it concerned him greatly ......why.....

    Snap drills for speed and mobilization drills was what exactly was intensely watched in the GDR up to 1991 as indicators of a possible Soviet invasion down the Fulda Gap and with Berlin literally behind their LOCs we actually were good at it.

    When Russia held it's largest ever GDR exercise in about 1986/87 we were counting literally every rail car, every solider and every tank to ascertain their actual strengths being deployed to see if they have reached critical mass needed for an invasion and then we counted them leaving to see if they "accidently" left anyone behind.......

    The current snap drills have showed him they can move multiple divisions of well trained troops long distances in really a relatively fast pace...ie attack mode coming straight out of their bases fully fueled and armed heading West...far faster than NATO can decide and then move.

    What he is also not saying is that all these exercises over a certain strength required OSCE notification and OSCE observers for transparency....

    THAT has not happened in the last three years BUT NATO invited Belarus and Russia to observe their big maneuver in the Baltics....and they came.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor...here is the thing with these snap drills and mobilization drills...watch their speed to alert and move out of their bases....

    The US USAEUR/7th Army Commander recently stated it concerned him greatly ......why.....

    Snap drills for speed and mobilization drills was what exactly was intensely watched in the GDR up to 1991 as indicators of a possible Soviet invasion down the Fulda Gap and with Berlin literally behind their LOCs we actually were good at it.

    When Russia held it's largest ever GDR exercise in about 1986/87 we were counting literally every rail car, every solider and every tank to ascertain their actual strengths being deployed to see if they have reached critical mass needed for an invasion and then we counted them leaving to see if they "accidently" left anyone behind.......

    The current snap drills have showed him they can move multiple divisions of well trained troops long distances in really a relatively fast pace...ie attack mode coming straight out of their bases fully fueled and armed heading West...far faster than NATO can decide and then move.

    What he is also not saying is that all these exercises over a certain strength required OSCE notification and OSCE observers for transparency....

    THAT has not happened in the last three years BUT NATO invited Belarus and Russia to observe their big maneuver in the Baltics....and they came.
    In questioning a Polish inland pushboat captain in 1983 when he jumped ship and asked for asylum did we learn why.....at any given time in Germany or the rest of Europe there were constantly Polish inland pushboats and their dumb barges underway and they were never tracked by anyone.

    The Polish and Soviet Spetsnaz had unknown to us constantly conducted in deep Poland numerous building of river bridges using the pushboats and their dumb barges and we had never realized that the dumb barges allowed tanks to fully cross over them .......simple and ingenious if you think about it...thus no need for formal Soviet bridging units to be stationed in the GDR....
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