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    Somehow you just cannot make this up as no one would believe it.......

    Leave beats the drums to leave EU...THEN wins barely with a low turn out and then Boris Johnson the main Tory pusher of Leave does not want the PM position, BUT wants Article 50 triggered.......THEN Cameron quits as PM......THEN the Labor party is on the verge of falling into two parties...THEN the Tories are not much better off with 4/5 individuals wanting to be the next PM without an election....THEN a UK Law Firm is taking the Tory Government into Court for possibly violating the Act of Parliament THEN this today......

    More rats are leaving the sinking ship after #Brexit
    Nigel Farage resigns as UKIP leader


    Meets Rupert Murdoch on Sunday, resigns on Monday morning.

    BUT WAIT.....Murdoch supports Gove....for Tory PM.....after dropping support for Boris Johnson...

    SI after crowing in the EU Parliament about his "win" and he is taking UK out of the EU...THEN this statement today.

    BUT WAIT did he give up his paid UKIP MEP position in Brussels..seriously doubt it...

    Does anyone have any idea what the Brits are up to and or really want...???
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    Brexit, Czexit? Key Putin ally at heart of EU calls for Czech referendum on EU an NATO membership
    https://www.neweurope.eu/article/czexit-could-be-next/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Somehow you just cannot make this up as no one would believe it.......

    Leave beats the drums to leave EU...THEN wins barely with a low turn out and then Boris Johnson the main Tory pusher of Leave does not want the PM position, BUT wants Article 50 triggered.......THEN Cameron quits as PM......THEN the Labor party is on the verge of falling into two parties...THEN the Tories are not much better off with 4/5 individuals wanting to be the next PM without an election....THEN a UK Law Firm is taking the Tory Government into Court for possibly violating the Act of Parliament THEN this today......

    More rats are leaving the sinking ship after #Brexit
    Nigel Farage resigns as UKIP leader


    Meets Rupert Murdoch on Sunday, resigns on Monday morning.

    BUT WAIT.....Murdoch supports Gove....for Tory PM.....after dropping support for Boris Johnson...

    SI after crowing in the EU Parliament about his "win" and he is taking UK out of the EU...THEN this statement today.

    BUT WAIT did he give up his paid UKIP MEP position in Brussels..seriously doubt it...

    Does anyone have any idea what the Brits are up to and or really want...???
    For those of you who weren't paying attention. Here's where Aaron Banks announced Farage was resigning, 5 days ago.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...without-farage

    Was previously posted here in this thread.....they want to create a "voter friendly" alternative to Labor and see a chance to take Labor votes away.....thus cannot be seen as far rightist and or anti racist......

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    EU Support Surges in Denmark as Brexit Scare Spreads in Nordics, according to Bloomberg.

    Denmark became the latest Nordic country to experience rising public support for the European Union, defying predictions that a U.K. vote to exit would inspire other euro-skeptic corners of the bloc.

    According to a Voxmeter poll published by Ritzau on Monday, 69 percent of Danes now back EU membership, up from 59.8 percent in a poll held prior to the U.K. vote. The poll also found that the proportion of respondents wanting a U.K.-style referendum had fallen to 32 percent from 40.7 percent.
    I'm not surprised by those developments in Denmark as the political outfall in the UK was heavy and the negative economic consequences were strongly highlighted in Italian media. A surprisingly large space was giving to hate crimes against foreigners, in some cases through Italian citiziens living in the UK. If Danish reporting was similar it will have pushed EU support.

    Who knows how this will influence the negotiations. On one hand their might less need for the EU to be harsh to avoid the dominio effect, on the other it might be deduced that a hard and principled EU approach is signaling properly and is thus working.
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    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1F...w?pref=2&pli=1

    Parties fail to feed the public’s hunger for a solution

    With the Tories and Labour spinning away to the extremes, millions have nowhere to go with their views and their votes

    Paddy Ashdown

    The Sunday Times 3 July 2016

    A medieval bishop had the following prayer: “Lord, things are serious. This time please come yourself, this is no job for a boy.”

    A people’s revolution lays waste to all previous European certainties. The sound of the tumbrils echoes round Westminster. One of the two party leaders of state has been beheaded and the other is being led to the gallows by his mutinous captains. Les Misérables march on Westminster behind a bunch of squabbling would-be leaders, who, beyond Brexit, agree on nothing and hate each other with a passion.

    This is one of those revolutions that will end up devouring its children — as well as many innocent others along the way. What on earth that is good can be dragged out of this unholy mess? Actually there is something, if we on the modern progressive wing of politics now play our Cards cannily.

    First a bit of analysis, then a short proposition.

    Many of the great changes in British politics did not come through political parties, but through people’s movements that reshaped political parties. Think of the huge public meetings in Manchester that led to the Great Reform Act; think of the trades union movement, which gave birth to Labour; think of the suffragettes, think of the gay rights movement; think potentially of last Thursday, which looks as though it will now break both the Tories and Labour.

    The new phenomenon of our time is the populist reverse takeover of political parties. Donald Trump did it to the Republicans, the hard left did it to Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party and the Brexiteers are about to do it to the Tories.

    At one level all this is healthy and natural. Given the retreat of our political classes from the battleground of principle to the politics of managerialism, given the disconnect that has grown up between politics and people, some kind of convulsion was inevitable. But why does it always have to be a convulsion for something more ugly, more divisive, more xenophobic and more dangerous? Why is there never a convulsion for something better instead?

    One big recent event points to the possibility of a movement for better things, rather than worse ones. The huge public outcry that erupted after the killing of Labour MP Jo Cox last month seemed to hint that what people felt was murdered that day was not just a remarkable person, but also their own cherished ideas and values.

    The present 4m-strong petition for another referendum may not succeed. But it is a powerful expression of public hunger, beyond political parties, to find a way to fix the mess they think (me, too) we have created for ourselves.

    And so we have arrived at a most intriguing situation. The two great parties-of-state that have dominated our politics for a hundred years are no longer able to contain the opinions within them. With both spinning away to the extremes, what happens to the homeless millions — in politics and outside — who now have nowhere to go with their views and their votes? There are my wonderful Liberal Democrats, of course.

    But we were set back hugely at the last election and it will take time to get back where we were — and the next general election may only be months away. One of the barriers standing in the way of something more sensible is the political party itself. Look at a business model that does not take into account new technologies and you see a model that is on its way to failure. Though all our parties enthusiastically use the new technologies to communicate with the electorate, none uses them either in their internal structures or proposes them in the external practices of our politics.

    The result is that engagement in political parties remains the preserve of the fanatic — and in the case of the Tories, supplemented by the geriatric. The Lib Dems don’t do fanatic, more’s the pity.

    The political party and the political movement have become separated. We need to bring them back together again by widening access and lowering the cost of engagement. One model is the Five Star movement in Italy (but not its politics): internet-based, low membership fee, much more direct democracy. There are dangers here, not least of entryism and takeovers. But are they really less than the dangers of the organisational collapse of political parties that have become little more than clubs for the few, instead of voices for the many?

    And while we are on the subject of new technologies, is there anything more
    ridiculous than modern men and women doing their tax returns online, managing their bank accounts online and arranging to see their doctor online, but having to struggle through the wind and rain to a damp church hall to cast their votes with a stubby pencil by scratching a cross on a scrap of paper?

    I am not suggesting that all political parties follow the Five Star model, and I am not suggesting forming one either. We’ll have to make do with what we have for the moment. But what about creating a space where those from any party and anyone who holds modern progressive views — those epitomised by Jo Cox — can gather to find the means to defend what is decent and call for something better than the politics of extremism and xenophobia? It would only be a start.

    But with a general election perhaps soon, who knows where a start could lead . . . We would have to put aside the instinct in troubled times to seek refuge in the bosom of our own tribes. But is that such a price to pay when, in the words of Jo Cox, there is so much more that unites us than divides us?

    Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon is a former leader of the Liberal Democrats

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    Hammond 'We could have an informal discussion with European Union countries next week and we could perhaps come to an "understanding"

    Well, we could, had this not been flat out rejected by all our former EU partners.

    Standard Life suspends trading in its UK property fund after Brexit vote

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    “The potential Brexit impact for the City of London is that up to 69 per cent of its interest rate derivatives market could move to EU."

    Due to a lack of trade negotiators, Brexit Britain will need to hire immigrants for the job
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    Talk of a new party is mounting amongst Labour MPs.




    July 4 2016, 5:00pm, The Times

    As Labour splits, a new party is emerging
    Rachel Sylvester

    Three months ago the idea of a fresh political group was seen as foolish. Now the tectonic plates are beginning to move


    Like the Fisher King in TS Eliot’s poem The Waste Land, Jeremy Corbyn presides over the Labour Party, impotent and unable to perform his task, while behind him his kingdom turns into an “arid plain”. “I was neither living nor dead, and I knew nothing,” says another voice in the poem. This Labour ordeal cannot — and will not — go on.

    Yesterday, the leader posted a video message for members urging the party to “come together now”, but the mood of the moderates is hardening. The Unite union leader Len McCluskey may describe Mr Corbyn as a “man of…
    Behind paywall........

    Tom Watson told PLP he's meeting trade union leaders tomorrow over Corbyn as "a last throw of the dice".

    Tom Watson had one-on-one meeting with Corbyn this morning. Corbyn made it clear he wasn't resigning.
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    Standard Life suspends trading in its UK property fund after Brexit vote

    Standard Life shuts property fund amid rush of #Brexit withdrawals

    https://www.theguardian.com/business...it-withdrawals

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    BREXIT campaign was based on lies, but then again most political campaigns are. When democracy equals populism, democracy fails. The alternative in the digital age is no democracy. 16 brits a day seeking German citizenship sounds like brits already working in Germany, it doesn't sound like a mass exodus.

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    Default Brexit vote makes united Ireland suddenly thinkable

    Rev. Ian Paisley turn in his grave.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN0ZJ0E6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firn View Post
    EU Support Surges in Denmark as Brexit Scare Spreads in Nordics, according to Bloomberg.



    I'm not surprised by those developments in Denmark as the political outfall in the UK was heavy and the negative economic consequences were strongly highlighted in Italian media. A surprisingly large space was giving to hate crimes against foreigners, in some cases through Italian citiziens living in the UK. If Danish reporting was similar it will have pushed EU support.

    Who knows how this will influence the negotiations. On one hand their might less need for the EU to be harsh to avoid the dominio effect, on the other it might be deduced that a hard and principled EU approach is signaling properly and is thus working.
    Firn,

    BREXIT may be the first step in reforming the EU. These reforms are desperately needed, individual countries need to be able to act independently (this is what sovereignty is all about). I'm not overly concerned, a thousand tweets claiming the sky is falling won't change that. There is also a chance this will make NATO stronger. The excessive political collectivism mandated by the EU makes Europe easier for Russia to manipulate.

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