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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Citing Outlaw09 in part:

    The Schengen Zone enables cross-border travel without producing a passport (or other accepted ID). The UK opted out of the Schengen Agreement (along with Ireland IRRC) and requires EU nationals produce a passport upon arrival - I'd call that free movement with a condition.

    The UK in theory can refuse entry, but I understand that is rarely exercised. It can also deport EU nationals on limited grounds.
    David....I keep going back to the simple fact immigration is the smokescreen used by UKIP, the BNP and yes even the Conservatives in the form of Boris the "terrible"....

    BUT in the end it is all about globalization......there was a comment recently that stated "markets do not know what a nation state is"...and if one thinks really long and hard..it is all about globalization.....

    You comments on the auto factory workers is exactly that is being seen by the US autoworkers and yes I hate to say this but also seen in the GDR as early as 1989/1990---in my eyes "globalization" has been on a subtle move for a lot longer than we give it credit....

    Reference Schengen.....the 300K or so Polish people residing in UK is balanced by how many Brits working, studying, touring, living on pensions in the rest of the EU.....more than outweighs the estimated 3M EU workers currently inside UK.

    Just look at the sheer numbers of Brits currently living and working for the EU and Brit companies in say Brussels..just check hoe many evening flights there are between Brussels and London for the Brit commuter.

    An interesting point was made last night that the majority voters for Leave when looking at education had little to no education levels and those that had a higher education level voted for Remain.

    Education of the working class and or the non education of the working class goes to the heart of globalization if one is serious about a discussion on it.

    Take as the example your auto workers now working in a warehouse...had they been trained in a specialized field say computer driven milling and lathing they could be now in Berlin where there is over 400 open positions for that skill set with English as a core requirement...why for export. English is de facto a needed skill set.

    There is on the German job search sites in over 100 employment fields over 2000 plus open jobs where English is the primary skill being demanded on any given day.

    Work is out there but one must be willing to move and adapt...that was the concept behind Schengen....and amazingly English is the common determinant.

    Question is though is the older generation ready to pack up and move vs say the younger generation that sees no problem with doing that if necessary.

    That was clearly seen in how the two generations voted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    David....I keep going back to the simple fact immigration is the smokescreen used by UKIP, the BNP and yes even the Conservatives in the form of Boris the "terrible"....

    BUT in the end it is all about globalization......there was a comment recently that stated "markets do not know what a nation state is"...and if one thinks really long and hard..it is all about globalization.....

    You comments on the auto factory workers is exactly that is being seen by the US autoworkers and yes I hate to say this but also seen in the GDR as early as 1989/1990---in my eyes "globalization" has been on a subtle move for a lot longer than we give it credit....

    Reference Schengen.....the 300K or so Polish people residing in UK is balanced by how many Brits working, studying, touring, living on pensions in the rest of the EU.....more than outweighs the estimated 3M EU workers currently inside UK.

    Just look at the sheer numbers of Brits currently living and working for the EU and Brit companies in say Brussels..just check hoe many evening flights there are between Brussels and London for the Brit commuter.

    An interesting point was made last night that the majority voters for Leave when looking at education had little to no education levels and those that had a higher education level voted for Remain.

    Education of the working class and or the non education of the working class goes to the heart of globalization if one is serious about a discussion on it.

    Take as the example your auto workers now working in a warehouse...had they been trained in a specialized field say computer driven milling and lathing they could be now in Berlin where there is over 400 open positions for that skill set with English as a core requirement...why for export. English is de facto a needed skill set.

    There is on the German job search sites in over 100 employment fields over 2000 plus open jobs where English is the primary skill being demanded on any given day.

    Work is out there but one must be willing to move and adapt...that was the concept behind Schengen....and amazingly English is the common determinant.

    Question is though is the older generation ready to pack up and move vs say the younger generation that sees no problem with doing that if necessary.

    That was clearly seen in how the two generations voted...
    The latent racism unleashed in this vote can in fact be directly connected to UKIP, BNP, Labour and the Conservatives AND a wide spectrum of the UK press.....

    Am hearing that the Polish Centre in Hammersmith has been smeared with "Go Home". This is an unspeakable crime and is indescribably awful.
    On Friday my niece was on a field trip. A man shouted at school girls: "So is this a **** Islam fishing group?! Where's the white people?"

    One photo the UK citizens really need to revisit......
    Polish immigrants in Britain... H/t @ingeniarius08
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    UKIP leader is now seriously running from his own statements and their very own PR buses that had this splashed all over them...and what he stated in hsi speeches....

    Nigel Farage: "Nobody said that we'd spend the £350million a week on the NHS"

    One of those plastered campaign posters from UKIP.......

    "Let's give our NHS 350M Pounds that we give EU weekly"

    Sounds like a commitment to me.......

    So was he lying or telling the truth and yet he claims to speak for UK....

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    Posted this yesterday and it is firming up as a valid Scottish political move as the EU was buried in the Good Friday agreements as it was buried inside the Scottish and Walsh devolution agreements....appears that all three have actually a veto voice in Parliament as the EU membership was the assumed basis for all their agreements.......

    Appears Boris the "terrible", UKIP, BNP. Labour and especially Cameron simply forgot to check their own agreements.....

    Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says Holyrood could effectively block UK's exit from the EU by vetoing it
    http://bbc.in/29bGdrJ

    Tend to believe the Scots definitely got UK constitutional advice before they went public with this.....

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    The #EU will treat Britain like Greece. A superb post mortem by @mattholehouse in @Telegraph #Brexit http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...n-like-greece/

    PROBABLY one of the best takes on the EU views towards UK and the EU comin actions which will be brutal for UK that I have seen written in the last few days AND it does not bode well for UK citizens nor their economy nor they standing in the world of global politics of which they have actually thrown themselves out of....
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    BBC News - Corbyn office 'sabotaged' EU Remain campaign - sources
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36633238

    This does not surprise me in the least as he was first against the EU and then lukewarm for the EU BUT foremost he is a old line UK leftist who basically out of ideological reasons has always been against the EU....

    Many openly questioned his actions during the campaign but no one wanted to actually say then that he in fact was sabotaging his own words and actions....

    If one looks at the way Putin has been playing the right and left segments of the EU ever since 2006 with money and info warfare help...Putin has been driving Eurospectic groups from both political spectrums to achieve exactly what this vote achieved and it did not cost him a war and or a single bullet.....it was done legally and democratically.....the destruction of the EU as a viable economic and political entity

    Allowing Russia to fulfill it's dream of an free trade economic zone from Portugal to Russian Far East....under Russian influence.....openly stated also since 2006...only the EU stood in the way backed by the US.....
    .....
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    Immigration of the London City now starting to go in the other direction..was predicted to happen before the vote but "declared rubbish" by Boris "the terrible"....and UKIP.......as were all other expert statements called "rubbish"....by both.

    HSBC to move 1000 jobs to Paris when #UK will leave #EU #Brexit
    http://economie.hotnews.ro/stiri-fin...-europeana.htm


    The City is expected to lose over 100,000 banking and investment jobs over the next two years as will the City lose the right to buy and sell EU bonds and other EU financial products since they will not be in the EU......Frankfurt, Paris and NYC are rejoicing today.......

    Boris "the terrible"...also stated that this was "rubbish" and would never happen.....well it has started.....

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