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    Azor....not much in the way of accurate info as the UAF is not talking....

    Evidently it evolved out of a constant amount of shelling coming from this one location and UAF has not been returning much counter fire other than when threatened by ground attacks trying to remain inside Minsk 2 and not be accused for violating it by both Putin and the West.

    Rumored from one comment was that it was a joint infantry attack supported by Mech side....25th BN and the 52nd Brigade a battle hardened UAF Mech line unit fighting since 2014

    Rumored was 11 or so UAF wounded but that did not show up in their daily ATO briefing. No comments on any KIA outside of these WIAs.

    IMHO it had a two fold effect;
    1. destroyed a major artillery position and base camp that had been causing loses
    2. showed the Russian military and her mercenaries the UAF could at their choosing make a very specific rapid attack and advance as fast and as far as they wanted to go

    AND did it get their attention as it has been the Russians and her mercenaries constantly attacking over the last year and the UAF basically sitting and taking it...example the DNR has been on a massive police/security lock down looking for "raiders". via car searches/roadblocks...so maybe also there was a UAF SF unit or two also involved....

    Once the objective was cleared the UAF units returned back to Minsk 2 front lines....

    This is from the vk account of the so called dnrarmy showing the positions as of 1/6/2016

    ну мы тоже посмотрим, что орки нарисовали

    https://pp.vk.me/c636921/v636921523/...e-mDRDZJ8g.jpg

    BTW...the Russians mark their map with the following colors
    RED friendly forces
    BLUE enemy forces

    This is the reverse by the US Army
    RED is enemy
    Blue is friendly

    We saw this Russian map marking method used when I worked with them in 2012/2013 during the Atlas Vision exercises held in Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor....not much in the way of accurate info as the UAF is not talking....

    Evidently it evolved out of a constant amount of shelling coming from this one location and UAF has not been returning much counter fire other than when threatened by ground attacks trying to remain inside Minsk 2 and not be accused for violating it by both Putin and the West.

    Rumored from one comment was that it was a joint infantry attack supported by Mech side....25th BN and the 52nd Brigade a battle hardened UAF Mech line unit fighting since 2014

    Rumored was 11 or so UAF wounded but that did not show up in their daily ATO briefing. No comments on any KIA outside of these WIAs.

    IMHO it had a two fold effect;
    1. destroyed a major artillery position and base camp that had been causing loses
    2. showed the Russian military and her mercenaries the UAF could at their choosing make a very specific rapid attack and advance as fast and as far as they wanted to go

    AND did it get their attention as it has been the Russians and her mercenaries constantly attacking over the last year and the UAF basically sitting and taking it...example the DNR has been on a massive police/security lock down looking for "raiders". via car searches/roadblocks...so maybe also there was a UAF SF unit or two also involved....

    Once the objective was cleared the UAF units returned back to Minsk 2 front lines....

    This is from the vk account of the so called dnrarmy showing the positions as of 1/6/2016

    ну мы тоже посмотрим, что орки нарисовали

    https://pp.vk.me/c636921/v636921523/...e-mDRDZJ8g.jpg

    BTW...the Russians mark their map with the following colors
    RED friendly forces
    BLUE enemy forces

    This is the reverse by the US Army
    RED is enemy
    Blue is friendly

    We saw this Russian map marking method used when I worked with them in 2012/2013 during the Atlas Vision exercises held in Germany
    There was heavy fighting around #Debaltseve / #Svitlodarsk again yesterday evening

    Azor....it appears the UAF is holding strategic ground positions covering their own front line and presenting to the DNR/Russian Army a perceived direct threat to Debaltseve for the Russian military a strategic railhead....and this is critical the UAF intently watches to make sure the Russians cannot create a pocket as they only learned badly in 2014 and 2015 in Debaltseve.

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    09:37 #Krasnohorivka @hyeva_maryinka a boom
    09:38 Power supply cut off


    [#Lysychansk] @dadylollipop "At the 29th CP [=#Bakhmut road, area of #Zolote] one wounded..., fragmentation wounds"

    09:37 #Donetsk #Vetka @rjpthjuljytwr [fb] Skirmish. Surprisingly loud and distict like nearby here

    @loogunda mentioned locations:
    #Svitlodarsk, #Luhasnke, #Myronivskyi, #Debaltseve, #Horlivka
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=48...ch=svitlodarsk
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    Obama @POTUS slams Russian aggression against #Ukraine in historic speech in #Canada Parliament
    http://uatoday.tv/politics/obama-sla...nt-684264.html

    Sorry this is in Russian but it pertains to a series of drastic new Russian laws on free speech an internet usage...

    Russia’s uber-popular tech blogger @wylsacom releases 13-min video explaining & criticizing the Yarovaya Amendments
    . https://youtu.be/m_sIkv2dak0

    Duma passed them in three minutes....with no discussions....

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    Google Earth captured a Russian spy UAV in full flight Aug 15 2014 south of Saur Mogila, Ukraine. https://twitter.com/sl0zhny/status/748576028294021120

    More on Russian shot down of MH17

    Eliot Higgins @EliotHiggins
    For more on the creepiest #MH17 development this year check out this post

    http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17....med-at-july-5/

    MH17 Zuhres video was captured on Iphone 5 and recorded at 11:40 (8:40 UTC time).

    Eliot Higgins @EliotHiggins
    The "MH17 Inquiry" video is so dubious even #MH17 Truthers are claiming it's a false flag to make Russia look suspicious.

    Eliot Higgins @EliotHiggins
    The "MH17 Inquiry" video seems to show Russia has resorted to witness tampering to defend themselves against #MH17 accusations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Putin stated in the article: "Do you think we will keep it as it is: our troops at 1,500 (kilometers, 900 miles) away?"

    Unfortunately, he must not be a student of geography, or perhaps his orders to redeploy Russian forces east of the Urals before the impending NATO offensive was ignored...

    More than one major Western Military District base is within 500 km of Finland, mainly due to the proximity of Saint Petersburg. I fail to see how Putin can militarize the district even more unless he camps 40,000 troops on Finland's borders as he did with Ukraine.

    Regardless of the math, this is a threat one must take seriously, as Finland's non-aligned and Soviet-sensitive status was one of the perks of the Cold War. He may very well calculate that using force on Finland would bring back that status and discourage Sweden from forging closer ties to NATO. Finland is a key "buffer" for Russia, as much as Ukraine or Belarus is.
    Azor....seems the Russian MoD is not sure exactly where they are based these days and that is not good.......

    Russian official: (Putin's) 1500km meant width. We have no troops on border from Leningrad Oblast to Murmansk. https://twitter.com/Erkanomia/status/749126129743650817

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    A "dawn assault involving artillery, mortars & heavy machine guns with fire reportedly coordinated by aerial drones"
    http://wapo.st/298s25w

    Hacked e-mails reveal #NATO general's attempts to convince #Obama to provide lethal aid to #Ukraine
    http://ln.is/uatoday.tv/politics/E9Rt1

    Russian forces in Donbas
    pic.twitter.com/wH3OQRu8Ge
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/2-july-...rces-in-donbas

    ATO spokesperson: Enemy sniper, Oleksandr Galkin, who was killed near Lohvynove, was a Russian citizen
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/1-july-...ndr-galkin-who

    SBU seized cache of ammunition in ex-official house in Schastye
    pic.twitter.com/SHu13eqs1V
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/2-july-...official-house
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor....seems the Russian MoD is not sure exactly where they are based these days and that is not good.......

    Russian official: (Putin's) 1500km meant width. We have no troops on border from Leningrad Oblast to Murmansk. https://twitter.com/Erkanomia/status/749126129743650817
    BUT WAIT.....
    Another huge military training site, 50km from #Finland border #Kamenka, also 138th Motorized Rifle Brigade >
    https://www.google.fi/maps/@60.45096.../data=!3m1!1e3

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Google Earth captured a Russian spy UAV in full flight Aug 15 2014 south of Saur Mogila, Ukraine. https://twitter.com/sl0zhny/status/748576028294021120

    More on Russian shot down of MH17

    Eliot Higgins @EliotHiggins
    For more on the creepiest #MH17 development this year check out this post

    http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17....med-at-july-5/

    MH17 Zuhres video was captured on Iphone 5 and recorded at 11:40 (8:40 UTC time).

    Eliot Higgins @EliotHiggins
    The "MH17 Inquiry" video is so dubious even #MH17 Truthers are claiming it's a false flag to make Russia look suspicious.

    Eliot Higgins @EliotHiggins
    The "MH17 Inquiry" video seems to show Russia has resorted to witness tampering to defend themselves against #MH17 accusations.
    DSB: #Buk missile parts recovered from #MH17 wreckage area.

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    Russian parties have broken out all over tonight......

    17:04 [#Svitlodarsk bulge, UA positions] @kazarin13 54 landings within 15 minutes


    Staromykhailivka is also loud.
    Same in #Mayorsk-#Zaitsevo area near #Horlivka.

    21:54 #Marinka @hyeva_maryinka [vk] again skirmishes and again bullets go just anywhere

    Krasnohorivka 22:15
    Ka-booms

    Maryinka 22:25 Non-stop shooting and explosions (at Novomarinka, traffic police post, hospital, boarding school area).

    Donetsk 22:29 Heavy outgoings from Trudovska, not mortar, something bigger.
    https://twitter.com/Maxi_Good/status/749324551037808641

    Donetsk 23:02
    Kyivskyi district LOUD, Oktyabrsky also loud
    https://twitter.com/BylByleva/status/749332923938209796

    Horlivka #Bayrak station @UA_Horlivka_ What can be transported all nights through? Rumbles along the railroad all the time

    Donetsk - ruscists now tring to shoot down Ukr UAV over the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    BUT WAIT.....
    Another huge military training site, 50km from #Finland border #Kamenka, also 138th Motorized Rifle Brigade >
    https://www.google.fi/maps/@60.45096.../data=!3m1!1e3
    MoD Estonia ‏@MoD_Estonia

    Putin said: no RUS forces within 1500km of FIN borders. NOT! (RUS units in red).
    Insight: http://www.icds.ee/fileadmin/media/i...Baltic_Gap.pdf

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    Why Are #Kremlin's #Trolls Spreading #Online Hoaxes?:
    http://wp.me/p1wMhe-3Q4

    Former Russian Minister: Sooner or later, Kremlin will have to apologize to Ukraine for war and pay compensation
    http://www.unian.info/politics/13922...inflicted.html

    ATO: near Novotroitsk intensified snipers of the Russian forces
    pic.twitter.com/4UGs5RgP1p
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/2-july-...of-the-russian
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    ORDLO military forces threaten to began a renewed offensive against Ukraine-controlled territory. https://twitter.com/LuganskNovosti/s...16832725577728

    Ukraine intelligence reports at least 22 militant Grad systems still on the frontline
    http://uatoday.tv/society/ukraine-in...ne-685354.html

    A man involved in the murder of 10 Ukrainian military detained in the Donetsk region
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/2-july-...inian-military

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russian parties have broken out all over tonight......

    17:04 [#Svitlodarsk bulge, UA positions] @kazarin13 54 landings within 15 minutes


    Staromykhailivka is also loud.
    Same in #Mayorsk-#Zaitsevo area near #Horlivka.

    21:54 #Marinka @hyeva_maryinka [vk] again skirmishes and again bullets go just anywhere

    Krasnohorivka 22:15
    Ka-booms

    Maryinka 22:25 Non-stop shooting and explosions (at Novomarinka, traffic police post, hospital, boarding school area).

    Donetsk 22:29 Heavy outgoings from Trudovska, not mortar, something bigger.
    https://twitter.com/Maxi_Good/status/749324551037808641

    Donetsk 23:02
    Kyivskyi district LOUD, Oktyabrsky also loud
    https://twitter.com/BylByleva/status/749332923938209796

    Horlivka #Bayrak station @UA_Horlivka_ What can be transported all nights through? Rumbles along the railroad all the time

    Donetsk - ruscists now tring to shoot down Ukr UAV over the city.
    It was a seriously bad Russian party night last night........at least the Germans celebrated a tad harder after beating Italy 7 to 6....

    ~2:10AM #Svitlodarsk "Incomprehensible terrible shock wave. Incoming was not heard"
    https://twitter.com/kmet7575/status/749383007056920576
    Initial evidence of a tactical missile impact....

    Yes, ordinary coal miners and tractor drivers forged their BUKs and Grads at village smithies)

    Escalation in ATO: combined Rus-militant forces fired 69 times upon Ukr troops over last day against 48 the day before - ATO press center
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    A Russian war ship is in a close call with a U.S. Navy ship — again
    http://cnn.it/29hjD4z

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    Occasionally Ukrainian politics gets in their own way......Ukraine giving in to a Russian mercenary demand feels like they are accepting Russian occupation or is it internal politics at work.....interesting to see how this one goes.....

    Aidar Commander Jailed for Looting, Kidnapping on LNR Complaint; Fighters Block Courtroom
    http://www.interpretermag.com/day-866/#14424

    Do not exactly understand how he could have been looting and kidnapping as they were under virtual attack by Russian troops and her mercenaries for over 1.4 years in this front line area....that would have required him physically being behind the combat lines of the LNR in order to loot and kidnap.....as virtually everything along the front LNR line had been destroyed in Russian/mercenary shelling attacks...

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    Ukraine managed to save, relocate 50% of its vessels from Crimea during peninsula's annexation - Minister Poltorak http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2016/06/28/7113041/

    NOTE: the Ukrainian Crimean Admiral who defected to Russia when they invaded Crimea is now the Russian Naval Commander for the Baltic Fleet....now convince me he has not be working for the Russians for years......he was the one who initially gave the command for all Ukrainian naval vessels to remain in Crimea instead of immediately leaving in the first days of the takeover.

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    Russian Separatists in Occup. Parts of Eastern #Ukraine Trick #Journalists & Mothers Into The Line Of Fire http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrode.../#3387f1325860

    No KIA, but 6 UA servicemen WIA by #Russian occupiers in the #warzone in E #Ukraine over the last 24h - official

    RUS's 'DPR' handed an "Ukr soldier's" body,killed June 29 near #Lohvynove,to RedCross/OSCE.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emc4sAQbGlg
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    Russian semistrategic drone spotted in eastern #Ukraine
    http://uatoday.tv/politics/russian-s...ne-685814.html

    Got my hands on the personel list of the separatists working as Berkut in #LNR, guess it needs to find its way to proper guys
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