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    Amnesty in Donbas possible only after elections and reinstatement of judicial authority in…
    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/gener...medium=twitter

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    Video with 1 of Russians in Ukr hospital who was captured near Troitske, July 10-11
    https://youtu.be/bixejYHOdVI

    Worth reading but in German......
    Russische #Militrmanver verraten neue Aggressionsplne des russischen Militrkommandos:

    https://informnapalm.org/de/russisch...taerkommandos/

    On Kremlin TV coverage of the Ukraine war - "Goal not to report fighting, but to ignite it."
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/putins-p...sts-1467761144

    Memorial to 9 Russian soldiers killed in August 2014. Guess where they were killed?
    https://twitter.com/askai707/status/752505208639545344

    Opening up the organised crime front
    Kremlin lead organised crime
    Today's excellent blog entry from @OdessaBlogger

    http://www.odessatalk.com/2016/07/op...d-crime-front/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Footage
    Just another local "Far eastern Asian Donbas miner" with "locally produced" by hand ammunition ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRER7bSyHDs

    Last time "far eastern Russian fighters" was seen was with the regular Russian Far East army tank unit attack on Debalsteve after their own Cossack mercenaries could not take the town......
    Jul11 #Debaltseve, more Russians probably from Siberia @GirkinGirkin

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    MFA Russia Verifizierter Account 
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    #Ryabkov: The US Embassy hooligan, who punched Russian police, & another similar CIA operative had to leave Moscow
    http://bit.ly/29pbMgm

    The fact that Russia continues to lie about this even after the video is public is fascinating

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    Russian parties have again started this evening.......

    15:00 #Yasynuvata @666_mancer "Smoke contamination seen in the are of #Yasynuvata CP"
    https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/752559287453483010

    16:20 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [fb] #Butovka mine: periodidic single booms

    18:57 [pro-RU source] @PodobstrelomRu There was an offensive at the south front [=Mariupol-Novotroitske line], there are killed&wounded [RU]

    19:20 #Yasynuvata [ok.ru] #Yasysnuvata CP: Dense battle w/use of different weapons, booms pretty strongly

    19:22 #Horlivka @tgorlovka Active firing began in the north. One can hear small arms and something heavier

    19:20 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [ok.ru]
    #Gladkovka: not quiet in the north
    #Putilovka hears
    #Makiivka #cheryomushki hears
    #Yasynuvata listens

    19:51 #Horlivka @062_Region Pretty 'good' boom
    20:01 #Stroitel @ahab9889 Quiet here so far
    @062_Region in #Central-City ds it was strongly

    20:29 #Yasynuvata @GirkinGirkin "#Lager[=this?
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=48...&show=/8633639 …]
    can hear and feel pretty strong landings not far off"

    20:30 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [ok
    ru]
    #Partyzanskyi Ave: the evening begins, noisy a bit
    #Vetka: listening to the north
    #Putilovka:listening

    20:31 #Donetsk #Petrovka @666_mancer [zello] 'Echoes of war' reach us from the west

    20:34 #Avdiivka @Marchcat_81 "Seemingly, a UAV flew in, I hope mit won't get back"

    20:34 #Donetsk #Petrovskyi ds @axilles666 Single salvos

    20:35 #Avdiivka @bamr69 "a UAV is being brought down here again. They're somehow taken to visiting us"

    20:36 #Avdiivka @LuftGanza #Promka: landings

    20:40 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [ok.ru]
    #Trudovski: it began
    #Petrovka #Dobrovolskoho: have heard it

    20:42 #Donetsk #Petrovka @hyeva_maryinka [vk] they boom pretty strongly

    20:43 #Donetsk @UkraineSuper1 They pound from #Putilovka - #Butovka mine [=RU held, not air shaft]

    20:57 east #Horlivka @UA_Horlivka_ Just now low frequency wave hit windows strongly from the east

    21:01 #Horlivka @DobryShubin I can hear just AGL and some party in Oleksandrivskyi park

    21:07 #Horlivka @Miloviz It[=rounds] goes to #Mayorsk, #block5 heard rounds too

    21:35 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [fb] #Oktyabrskyi: all evening, #airport direction is noisy
    #Makiivka #Gvardeyka: NW is restless

    21:50 #Donetsk @rjpthjuljytwr [fb] #Severnyi: It became louder and more frequent towards evening. Listening to the north direction

    Svitlodarsk @hu_svetlodarsk It was audible here, not loud, but ears popped
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    Russia still fights #Ukraine's sovereignty through "silent federalization", instigating separatism
    http://uatoday.tv/society/separatism...ne-693272.html

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    Propaganda: Mikhail Gorbachev says Nato is escalating Cold War with Russia 'into a hot one'
    https://apple.news/AxYWS_xYFSCmnlPiP0_U17Q

    Ex Moscow journo @Bershidsky (now German immigrant) blames @Poroshenko, #Ukr govts again. Why not Putin & his war?
    http://www.postandcourier.com/201607...ore-vulnerable
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    Russia Today calls (ret.) Lt. Gen Mike Flynn a "pro-Russian" possible pick for Trump VP
    http://ow.ly/FvPU3028wSc

    Trumpskii & Flynnskii | Trump May Choose Pro-Russian General Who Predicted Rise of Terror as his VP:
    http://sputniknews.com/us/20160711/1...form=hootsuite

    Russian info warfare hard at work........
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    Organised crime gangs from #Russia & the FSU are on the rise in #Germany, says federal investigations chief. https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/5460-...-mob-expanding

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    Default Western Betrayal Redux?

    To be fair, Outlaw has been on this since Minsk I...

    According to Vladimir Socor at the Jamestown Foundation:

    1. http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_...c#.V4QgWlYrKUk
    2. http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_...4#.V4QgXFYrKUk



    • “Quietly but summarily, the administration of President Obama has informed Kyiv that it wants to see elections in Donbas before Obama leaves office”
    • Nuland is urging compliance with Ukraine’s political “obligations” under the Minsk “agreement.”
    • Kerry and Nuland’s joint visit on July 7, however, has added urgency and even impatience to Kerry’s tone, reflecting the Barack Obama administration’s rush to show results before the November presidential election in the United States
    • By the logic and sequence of steps proposed, Ukraine would make pre-emptive, irreversible sacrifices of sovereignty, without any assurance that Russian forces would withdraw or that the two armed “people’s republics” would abdicate. Almost certainly they would not.
    • The West may help Russia enforce those political provisions on Ukraine, but the same Western powers cannot help Ukraine enforce those military provisions on Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    To be fair, Outlaw has been on this since Minsk I...

    According to Vladimir Socor at the Jamestown Foundation:

    1. http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_...c#.V4QgWlYrKUk
    2. http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_...4#.V4QgXFYrKUk



    • “Quietly but summarily, the administration of President Obama has informed Kyiv that it wants to see elections in Donbas before Obama leaves office”
    • Nuland is urging compliance with Ukraine’s political “obligations” under the Minsk “agreement.”
    • Kerry and Nuland’s joint visit on July 7, however, has added urgency and even impatience to Kerry’s tone, reflecting the Barack Obama administration’s rush to show results before the November presidential election in the United States
    • By the logic and sequence of steps proposed, Ukraine would make pre-emptive, irreversible sacrifices of sovereignty, without any assurance that Russian forces would withdraw or that the two armed “people’s republics” would abdicate. Almost certainly they would not.
    • The West may help Russia enforce those political provisions on Ukraine, but the same Western powers cannot help Ukraine enforce those military provisions on Russia.
    Thanks Azor....there has been a tremendous disconnect between WHAT the Obama/Rhodes WH DOES and actually says it does referencing eastern Ukraine...the recent "flood" of US money and assistance programs made during the NATO Warsaw summit was an attempt to "buy" the Ukraine....

    Kerry and Nuland have repeatedly attempted to pressure Ukraine into unilateral appeasement moves IMHO to "give Putin a face saving win"...WITHOUT a single reciprocal move guarantee to be made by Russia/Putin.

    Minsk 2 has two equal parts; 1) a number of political actions and 2) a number of military actions that must be conducted prior to the implementation of the political actions.

    So was the marching orders provided by Germany and France at the Minsk 2 talks which Putin then massively ignored when he continued the strong Russian Army attack on Debalsteve.....using BTW Russian regular Siberian units....

    Obama/Rhodes WH simply wants a "legacy win" for both eastern Ukraine and Syria thus they are willing to give Putin virtually anything he wants...we see the utter lack of any comment by the US on the Russian use of thermobaric, cluster and incendiaries on civilians in Syria and he said virtually nothing on the large scale Russian attacks which were ongoing during the NATO Summit....

    THAT Obama/Rhodes, Nuland and Kerry try to "sell" this to Ukraine in the face of a civil society that fought in Maidan to ditch Russia leads me to believe they have no earthly idea of what they are doing in FP these days.

    The Ukrainian public after two years of solid war and the their loses would not tolerate any Ukrainian politician giving an inch of the Donbas to Russia and or allow Russia to stop their moves to NATO and the EU.

    The last polling indicated that 78% of the public supports now NATO and even higher for EU membership with their visa free travel coming in OCT....

    Right after Maidan that figure was at a whopping 19%..for NATO.

    WHAT amazes me is that both Nuland and Kerry when called out for the comments they make when in Ukraine ...meaning we the US is in fact pressuring Ukraine to make appeasement moves....THEY then when social media gets wind of the comments STATE..."we never said and or alluded to that"......

    Both have been basically lying for over two years now.....and now panic when they cannot get Ukraine to move in the remaining time left for Obama/Rhodes to create even more confusion....

    YET not a single US MSM calls the Obama/Rhodes WH nor calls out Kerry and Nuland on this......

    Bloodletting continues in eastern #Ukraine: 2 servicemen KIA last night, 4 wounded, according to military. Yesterday: 4 KIA, 3 wounded.
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    Maybe the Obama/Rhodes WH, Nuland and Kerry would do well to sit down and reread the Minsk 2 Agreements.....signed by the way without an American representative being there as there is also no US representation in the Normandy Four meetings....as Putin effectively blocked the US from participating in both.....

    BUT WAIT...the Obama/Rhodes WH was never interested in actually participating from the very beginning as they viewed the problem being a European problem not one for the US to get involved in....


    • Immediate and full ceasefire in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine and its strict fulfilment as of 00.00 midnight (Kiev time) on Feb. 15, 2015.

    • Pull-out of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creation of a security zone on minimum 50 kilometres apart for artillery of 100mm calibre or more, and a security zone of 70km for MLRS and 140 kilometres for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch and tactical missile systems Tochka U.

    – for Ukrainian troops, from actual line of contact;

    – for armed formations of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine, from the contact line in accordance with the Minsk memorandum as of Sept. 19, 2014


    • The pullout of the above mentioned heavy weapons has to start no later than the second day after the ceasefire and finish within 14 days.

    • This process will be assisted by OSCE with the support of the Trilateral Contact Group.

    • Effective monitoring and verification of ceasefire regime and pullout of heavy weapons by OSCE will be provided from the first day of pullout, using all necessary technical means such as satellites, drones, radio-location systems etc.

    • On the first day after the pullout a dialogue is to start on modalities of conducting local elections in accordance with the Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine “On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts,” and also about the future of these districts based on the above mentioned law.

    • Without delays, but no later than 30 days from the date of signing of this document, a resolution has to be approved by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, indicating the territory which falls under the special regime in accordance with the law “On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts,” based in the line set up by the Minsk Memorandum as of Sept. 19, 2014.

    • Provide pardon and amnesty by way of enacting a law that forbids persecution and punishment of persons in relation to events that took place in particular departments of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine.

    • Provide release and exchange of all hostages and illegally held persons, based on the principle of “all for all”. This process has to end – at the latest – on the fifth day after the pullout (of weapons).

    • Provide safe access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian aid to the needy, based on an international mechanism.

    • Define the modalities of a full restoration of social and economic connections, including social transfers, such as payments of pensions and other payments (income and revenue, timely payment of communal bills, restoration of tax payments within the framework of Ukrainian legal field)

    • With this aim, Ukraine will restore management over the segment of its banking system in the districts affected by the conflict, and possibly, an international mechanism will be established to ease such transactions.

    • Restore full control over the state border by Ukrainian government in the whole conflict zone, which has to start on the first day after the local election and end after the full political regulation (local elections in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts based on the law of Ukraine and Constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, on the condition of fulfilment of Point 11 – in consultations and in agreement with representatives of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.

    • Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups.

    • Constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new Constitution to come into effect by the end of 2015, the key element of which is decentralisation (taking into account peculiarities of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, agreed with representatives of these districts), and also approval of permanent legislation on special status of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts in accordance with the measures spelt out in the footnotes, by the end of 2015.
    Putin has not fulfilled a single point of Minsk 2, there is no true ceasefire and no full exchange of POWs.....with 50-80 attacks daily...AND Russia and her mercenaries never did fully withdraw heir heavy weapons under OSCE verification and controls.....and Russia keeps sending troops, mercenaries, heavy weapons, fuel and munitions into eastern Ukraine AND hinders OSCE almost daily.

    So exactly just how is Ukraine to hold "fair and democratic elections under Ukrainian law" in a Russian occupied zone....there is not a single historical event that indicates this would be successful....
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    Russian mercenary surrenders to #Ukraine following armed squabble with militants
    http://uatoday.tv/news/russian-fight...ts-693696.html

    Russian helicopter over beach in Shcholkine, Crimea
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2016/12-july...holkine-crimea
    pic.twitter.com/O5R3eMwyZI

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    ICBMs deployed in massive drills In Russia
    http://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2016/...lls-in-russia-
    pic.twitter.com/Hxrdrpf3G2 via @Ruptly

    Topol, Topol-M and RS-24
    https://twitter.com/ruptly/status/752803473654177792

    Col. Andriy Lysenko: Yesterday, 7 flights of enemy UAVs were recorded in the ATO area

    ATO spokesperson: Mariupol sector: Main hostilities occurred at the front line Krasnohorivka-Maryinka & Shyrokyne

    Col. Lysenko: Other areas of hostilities in the Mariupol sector: Dokuchaevsk outskirts, Novohryhorivka & Pavlopil

    Col. Andriy Lysenko: Yesterday, militants fired at UA positions in the Donetsk sector for 22 times, out of which 8 were with heavy weapons

    Col. Andriy Lysenko: Donetsk sector: Main hostilities – Zaytseve & Avdiyivka where UA positions were actively shelled by the enemy

    Col. Lysenko: Enemy snipers were active in Luhanske, Novhorodske & Avdiyivka

    Col. Andriy Lysenko: Luhansk sector: In Stanytsia Luhanska, late at night, militants fired at UA positions and burnt a private house down

    ATO spokesperson: In the area of Bakhmut road, militants shelled UA positions twice
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Col. Andriy Lysenko: Yesterday, 7 flights of enemy UAVs were recorded in the ATO area

    ATO spokesperson: Mariupol sector: Main hostilities occurred at the front line Krasnohorivka-Maryinka & Shyrokyne

    Col. Lysenko: Other areas of hostilities in the Mariupol sector: Dokuchaevsk outskirts, Novohryhorivka & Pavlopil

    Col. Andriy Lysenko: Yesterday, militants fired at UA positions in the Donetsk sector for 22 times, out of which 8 were with heavy weapons

    Col. Andriy Lysenko: Donetsk sector: Main hostilities – Zaytseve & Avdiyivka where UA positions were actively shelled by the enemy

    Col. Lysenko: Enemy snipers were active in Luhanske, Novhorodske & Avdiyivka

    Col. Andriy Lysenko: Luhansk sector: In Stanytsia Luhanska, late at night, militants fired at UA positions and burnt a private house down

    ATO spokesperson: In the area of Bakhmut road, militants shelled UA positions twice
    103 Ukrainian troops got either killed or wounded during the first third of July 2016.

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    #Ukraine military banned #journos of @HromadskeUA @StankoNastya & @Reutski from frontline for rules violations, bringing #Rus journo to spy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    To be fair, Outlaw has been on this since Minsk I...

    According to Vladimir Socor at the Jamestown Foundation:

    1. http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_...c#.V4QgWlYrKUk
    2. http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_...4#.V4QgXFYrKUk



    • “Quietly but summarily, the administration of President Obama has informed Kyiv that it wants to see elections in Donbas before Obama leaves office”
    • Nuland is urging compliance with Ukraine’s political “obligations” under the Minsk “agreement.”
    • Kerry and Nuland’s joint visit on July 7, however, has added urgency and even impatience to Kerry’s tone, reflecting the Barack Obama administration’s rush to show results before the November presidential election in the United States
    • By the logic and sequence of steps proposed, Ukraine would make pre-emptive, irreversible sacrifices of sovereignty, without any assurance that Russian forces would withdraw or that the two armed “people’s republics” would abdicate. Almost certainly they would not.
    • The West may help Russia enforce those political provisions on Ukraine, but the same Western powers cannot help Ukraine enforce those military provisions on Russia.
    NOW Kerry is trying to truly rewrite history....as the Obama WH was never going to go this far.....all of their actions in 2014 and 2015 indicate they were doing actually the direct opposite....

    .@JohnKerry in March 2014: US & G8 nations are "prepared to go to the hilt to isolate #Russia" https://twitter.com/Russializer/stat...20236928008193

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    Alleged Zakharchenko guard surrenders to Ukraine. Guess what? That's right - he's a Russian citizen.

    http://www.unian.info/war/1413936-za...ne-forces.html

    Rise & fall of pro-RU separatist 'Oplot' gang in #Ukraine accentuated troubling link btw sports & politics in exUSSR http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/7/12...n-politics-ufc

    Kremlin officials still playing dumb over international opposition to Russian hybrid war in Ukraine. Nobody fooled https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/s...96898701426688

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    The Daily Signal
    ✔ @DailySignal As @NATO discussed ways to counter Russian aggression, the conflict in Ukraine spiked to its worst level in months
    . http://dailysign.al/29OnhjI

    The dangerous decade: Russia-NATO relations 2014 to 2024
    http://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentar...s_2014_to_2024
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    Default Ah, Der Spiegel

    Outlaw 09 may agree with many Germans on the value of the European Union , but Germans clearly disagree with him on the value of the trans-Atlantic alliance. Despite the pressure that Merkel has put on European cohesion with her disastrous border and migration policies, it is difficult to imagine her successor taking a harder line with Russia. Many German leaders, Steinmeier included, would love for the Ukrainian issue to just go away so that they can expand Nord Stream and go back to business as usual.

    See here from Der Spiegel: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...578-druck.html

    Below are the juicy excerpts:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiegrefe
    The hawks would seem to be setting the tone at the moment. Russia is an "existential threat," NATO's then-top military commander, Philip Breedlove -- who also adopted a hardline position during the height of the Ukraine crisis -- said not long ago. This spring, Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski said that Russia represents a greater risk to Europe than Islamic State. And at the beginning of June, the Danish NATO officer Jakob Larsen publicly suggested that "we need to learn to fight total war again." Larsen commands NATO's advance post in Lithuania and apparently isn't aware that the last call for "total war" was made in Germany during the infamous 1943 speech delivered in a Berlin sports stadium by Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels.
    Are we to assume that a country that has the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons, which openly talks about using them even in limited conflicts, which openly talks about targeting non-nuclear NATO member states, and which has conducted more than one simulated nuclear strike on a neighbor is not more of a threat than a terrorist group mostly contained in the Middle East?

    The concept of total war was not invented by Goebbels and pre-dates World War II. Larsen could just as easily be referring to a whole-of-government approach, which would be required to counter hybrid warfare. According to Wiegrefe then, NATO is rife with hawks and Fascists...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiegrefe
    Ten years ago, two American researchers caused
    a stir by performing a computer simulation of a US attack on Russia and publishing their findings in Foreign Affairs. According to the article, Washington possessed the capability to eliminate Russia's nuclear capability...the piece argued that the US was about to achieve nuclear primacy. For some time, the US Air Force and Navy have been touting a new generation of conventional weapons for the realization of a capability known as Prompt Global Strike.
    Firstly, an open-source back-of-the-envelope analysis from ten years ago regarding the US benefiting from the Russian strategic C4ISR being in shambles has naught to do with NATO-Russian relations today. Secondly, Prompt Global Strike has not gone far since its initial conception, and the United States, Russia and especially China are all working on hypersonic glide vehicles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiegrefe
    Absolute security for one side translates to absolute insecurity for all other powers. Putin has already announced that he will react to the new NATO moves with countermeasures. The declared goal of NATO's more robust presence is that of making the eastern edge of the Western alliance more secure. It is legitimate to doubt whether NATO will achieve that goal.
    NATO is not seeking to achieve local superiority, let alone supremacy, in the Baltic region, especially given that the affected countries border Russia's Western Military District. However, it is incumbent on NATO to ensure that: (a) a "hybrid" or less-than-Article V conflict in the Baltics is unattractive to Russia; and (b) that the Baltic republics feel assured that NATO will defend them as much as say Germany.

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