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    White helmet heroes save a child still clenching toy from underneath rubble after Russia/Assad airstrikes

    SCD states that there have been over 600 Russian/Assad air strikes in the last 48 hours and they are virtually out of medical supplies.....

    Who seriously thinks, #Assad's barrel bombs would cause such damage, should get new glasses.
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    Heavy Russian Syrian Express traffic......

    #ВМф Auxiliary Fleet вспомогательный флот Kazan-60 returns from #Tartus #Syria in 15 days & transits Bosphorus towards the BlackSea 05:30GMT

    Heavily laden #ВМФ #Cф NF Ropucha class LSTM Georgiy Pobedonosets transits Bosphorus en route to #Tartus #Syria, its 5th deployment in 2016

    She is over her waterline markings indicating that she is more than heavily loaded....Russian logistics must be running low......suspect she is carrying bomb munitions...based on the high bombing rates the last week....

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    Let's see. Obama said the use of poison gas in Syria crossed a "red line." ISIS attacks US troops with poison gas and Obama says...nothing

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    Another #Russian air strike on a rebel base in #Hama killed 21 fighters, opposition media says.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8aR1YsmrZ8#…

    Assad's helis - clearly visible - attacked the suburbs of #Aleppo today.
    NOT the city itself.
    #Russia did this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWv_L1ir170#…

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    Interesting German media Online Bild reporter challenges the entire German Foreign Ministry after the UNGA German FM comments which basically have accepted the Russian propaganda line on Syria and lately even eastern Ukraine......there is a now a total disconnect between CDU Merkel comments and her SPD FM......

    BILD has been the leading German media outlet calling out Russia repeatedly on eastern Ukraine and Syria.....with facts and photos not hype as in the Cold War days.....and they are being attacked heavily by Russian trolling for it....

    .@BILD positioniert sich zu #Putin's Bombenhagel auf #Aleppo & der Haltung von #Steinmeier und @sigmargabriel dazu.
    http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/s...d.html#…

    IMHO BILD is using truth to power in a way not seen in German MSM for the last years....side comment...25 years ago the German political movements and peace movements would have been in the streets about Aleppo but Germany as has the US has become 'lazy" in the chase of consumerism and ever more salaries....that is changing massively under the influence of such BILD articles and this younger generation is "calling out their own older politicians" for the first time in a very long time....

    F.-W.#Steinmeier chose to lie about the #Russian war crimes, knowing better.
    German FM employees must chose who they support now.
    GER or RUS

    Assad didn't kill this baby.
    #Putin's army did.
    Our country becomes another "people's republic" as the FM denies these crimes ...
    #Aleppo

    SO for those SWJ readers that think the "younger German generation has forgotten the lessons of WW2"...they are far more in tune to genocide and war crimes THAN the entire Obama WH.....
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    BREAKINGNEWS
    @SyriaCivilDef REPORT
    88 CIVILIANS KILLED IN #ALEPPO BY #RUSSIAN AIR STRIKES UNTIL 5PM LOCAL TIME.


    Many more still buried and unrecovered as of yet....

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    I have said over and over on this thread that this Obama/Rhodes/Kerry WH thing of "doing nothing stupid" is creating problems that will haunt the US literally for the next ten or so years...

    WHO would have ever thought that Obama would actually be supporting now IS and AQ....????

    I am not the only one that has seen this coming a mile off and I do not sit in DC or work for a think tank......

    Kyle W. Orton ‏@KyleWOrton
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    Letting al-Qaeda be the only option for civilian protection in #Syria is creating a major threat to the West:

    https://kyleorton1991.wordpress.com/...syria-to-assad...
    Abandoning Syria to Assad Helps Al-Qaeda

    By#Kyle Orton#(@KyleWOrton) on September 23,#2016

    The deeply problematic attempted Syrian ceasefire agreement between the United States and Russia last week never really took hold and was finally torn asunder on Monday by Russia and the regime of Bashar al-Assad blitzing an aid convoy and launching massive, indiscriminate aerial attacks on rebel-held areas in Aleppo. Last night, the pro-Assad coalition commenced a renewed assault on Aleppo actually as the parties met to discuss putting the ceasefire back online.

    It had been surreal that it was the U.S. insisting that “The ceasefire is not dead”. What it exposed was the lack of Western will to restrain the Assad regime, which al-Qaeda, especially, is exploiting, offering its services in the fight against Assad, and building a sustainable presence in Syria that will threaten the West for many years to come.

    A Misconceived Ceasefire

    The agreement between the U.S. and Russia, and its attendant political process, were inherently misconceived, strengthening Assad, whose murderous policies have—quite deliberately—provided the ideal context for the growth of extremist groups like al-Qaeda and the Islamic State.

    The ceasefire had been intended to last seven days, during which regime jets would cease murdering civilians and attacking mainstream armed opposition groups, and there would be free access for humanitarian supplies.
    After this “sustained” period of calm the U.S. and Russia would launch joint airstrikes against al-Qaeda in Syria, the recently rebranded Jabhat Fatah al-Sham (JFS).

    The proposal—if it worked to the letter—would have eliminated an important part of the insurgency. Since the agreement contained no provision for bolstering mainstream rebels and no mechanism to prevent or punish the regime for anything, there was nothing to stop the pro-regime coalition from continuing to commit atrocities as JFS was degraded, nor making military gains against a weakened insurgency once JFS was gone.

    While JFS’s destruction would have neutralized the insurrection as a strategic threat to the regime, it would not have brought peace. It would have removed all incentive for the regime to negotiate a political settlement, yet the regime’s chronic capacity problems would have left it unable to pacify the whole country. In these conditions, the most radical insurgent forces, who would be the ones prepared to fight on, would have been strengthened, condemning Syria to a permanent war in which terrorists could find haven.

    The eradicate-JFS-without-replacing-its-capabilities part of the plan was understandably rejected by the Syrian opposition, which officially accepted the ceasefire element of the U.S.-Russia deal. Unfortunately even the ceasefire provisions never came to pass. Around 150 people were killed by the pro-Assad coalition during the ceasefire and not a single aid delivery was permitted to any of the regime-besieged areas.

    On Monday, an aid convoy of eighteen trucks finally did move over the Turkish border into Aleppo, loaded with aid for 78,000 people. It was obliterated by Russian jets, who had been tracking it for at least two hours, its contents destroyed, and thirty-one civilians and staff killed. Indiscriminate bombing of rebel-held areas all over Aleppo also recommenced, bringing the ceasefire in any real world sense to an end.

    Russia Directs the Political Process

    By the time the political process began in December 2015, the Russian intervention had altered the balance of power so the regime was ascendant, and enabled the Russians to subvert the whole process, transforming it from one about the terms of Assad’s departure to the terms of his continuation in power. The U.S. was pushing for a unity government between the regime, with Assad still at the helm, and the rebels that turned its guns on the Islamic State. For the rebels this was surrender by another name.

    The attempted ceasefire in February was preceded by a lessening of support for the rebellion as the U.S. and allies lived up to their obligation to de-escalate. The pro-regime coalition used this as cover to advance against Aleppo City, cutting off its supply lines to Turkey. The pro-regime then ostensibly accepted the ceasefire, using the rebels’ restraint to consolidate their gains, while continuing to prepare further offensives and to brazenly continue assaults in key strategic zones.
    The ceasefire irretrievably collapsed in May when al-Qaeda led a full-scale counter-offensive in Aleppo, but in reality the ceasefire had been over in all-but-name for many weeks because of the pro-regime coalition’s continued attacks.

    This time around the ceasefire was once again on de facto Russian terms and the regime faced no threat of enforceable sanction for violations of the agreement. It has also been evident for several weeks that the regime was building up for an offensive in Aleppo and the only question in Moscow about the ceasefire was whether the pro-regime coalition needed the fiction of one to allow preparations to be completed, or had no further need of this smokescreen and were able to conduct the offensive. The answer is now in.

    From around midday yesterday, in Aleppo, the pro-Assad coalition commenced its heaviest wave of airstrikes for months. One resident said it was “as if the [Russian and Assad regime] planes are trying to compensate for all the days they didn’t drop bombs”. Last night the Assad regime announced a full-scale offensive as Secretary of State John Kerry was meeting with his Russian counterpart. Kerry is said to have found out about this from one of the wire services. Since then the gates of hell have opened.

    The ground offensive is spearheaded, as usual, by Iraqi Shi’a jihadists who were imported by, and are under the command of, the Iranian theocracy. More than one-hundred airstrikes have been launched, and a similar number of civilians massacred. Two centres for the White Helmets have also been hit. There isn’t even time for interviews between the airstrikes.

    Al-Qaeda Gains

    Since al-Qaeda argued, from the beginning, that the political process was a conspiracy against the revolution, which would cajole the rebels into joining an interim government that served Western counter-terrorism priorities but had no care for the people and would leave them under Assad’s heel, they have come out of this period with a lot of credibility.

    Al-Qaeda has adopted a strategy of embedding itself into the rebellion, making itself militarily necessary for the opposition and thereby shielding its jihadist agenda behind revolutionary actors whose only intention is to topple a regime that threatens them and their families.

    The Western refusal to empower the mainstream rebellion allowed al-Qaeda the space to do this and to make decoupling its own fate from the rebellion more difficult. The attempted ceasefires have made this worse by providing cover for regime advances that consciously weaken the moderate rebels, increasing the dependency, in an effort to make the conflict binary between the regime and the jihadists.

    With the rebranding—the supposed “split” from al-Qaeda—being baptised by breaking the siege of Aleppo, which the U.S. said it was powerless to do, and modifications in behaviour on the ground, al-Qaeda is even winning over former sceptics.

    It’s a sad fact that Western policy has failed to defend a single Syrian inside Syria from murder by its outlaw government and its foreign life-support system, nor shown any willingness to work toward the only viable solution for security and peace: the removal of the Assad regime. A peace settlement from here is only viable if the West is willing to confront the Assad regime, to forcefully limit its ability to commit mass-murder and to change battlefield dynamics against it. The continued Western fiction that the ceasefire remains or can be revived or is the “only show in town,” as

    Boris Johnson put it, is a clear statement that the West has no such will, and has taken the decision to continue on a path whose results are now known.

    Allowing Assad free rein, as current policy does, protracts the war. The regime and its supporters have no intention of abiding by conditions that limit their capacity to subdue the insurgency, but they are unable to complete that task.

    What the pro-regime coalition can do is continue with their chosen tactics in the attempt, collective punishment and mass-displacement, which leave a desperate population amenable to appeals from anybody who can help. Al-Qaeda will continue to fill this void for as long as it is allowed to.

    By fostering a vanguardist co-dependency, taking on the population’s concerns as its own and working toward them, al-Qaeda is able to use that population to protect itself and to push its ideology among them, working toward socializing people into its vision of an Islamic state and co-opting the rebellion.

    Leaving al-Qaeda as the only viable actor for protecting civilians from the Assad regime and its allies is creating a dangerously durable future base for Islamist terrorism.

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    AND the genocidal deliberate killing of civilians continues in our face up close and personal...YET the entire West led by the non action of the US ABSOLUTELY says not a single word....

    THIS is just how bad the Obama so called Syrian strategy has gotten the West....leaderless.....in all aspects of FP.....

    9 killed, 70 injured in fresh Russian cluster munition strikes targeted Bustan al-Qasr district #Aleppo

    Actually when one thinks about it JaN (AQ) now rebranded as JFS HAs in fact never killed as many civilians as Assad and Putin together, has never even uttered a single threat against the Us and has never attacked the US....NOW is seen inside Syria as a TRUE "white knight in shining armor"....

    AND the US is being seen as being just as complicit in killing Syrian Sunni's as Assad and Putin.....
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    Aleppo today: Victims of airstrikes under rubble with no one to dig them out
    http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/24092016#…

    Syria 130 people in #Aleppo killed yesterday by airstrikes, this morning 35 dead #genocide

    All #Aleppo teams and volunteers active across the city, hundreds trapped under rubble from indiscriminate air strikes Hospitals overwhelmed

    Syria Rebels try to storm regime stronghold Maan in northern #Hama

    Assad forces partly control Handarat camp in northern #Aleppo

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    We have seen the killing fields of Cambodia, the killing fields in Africa, the killing fields in Bosnia and the former Yugoslavia...AND we have repeatedly stated "we will never again allow it to happen"....

    BUT under a US President who supposedly has won a Nobel Peace Prize for what I am not sure...he has led the US down a path of so called "ethnical FP" that has in fact turned the world upside down as Obama has tried to implement his FP vision in a world that did not have yet the right structures in place to accommodate the US changes.....

    AND worse of all the Obama FP quietly ever so quietly negated 70 years of US FP in the ME BY fully supporting and titling to Iran and Russia opening a can of worms that will haunt the US for tens of years to come....

    ANOTHER day in the Obama WH being TOTALLY complicit in genocide the same "killing fields" the US once sworn "would never again be allowed to happen"......

    BUT this time is it happening WITH US support.....
    We are now seeing genocide being practiced right in front of our faces AND the Obama WH remains totally silent.....

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    Airbridge for #Syria's #Aleppo ! but #UN unwilling to parachute aid supplies into besieged city #EU #US #Obama #Kerry #Clinton fear #Russia

    Historically speaking I remember a US that in fact stood up and said no to the Soviet Union during a similar siege......and for far more people...BUT WAIT they were not Sunni's.....and certainly not white....

    BUT Obama/Kerry seem to have not read about the same historical event....
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    Important development.......

    Breaking. Harakat Nour Al-Din Zinki officialy entered Jaish Al-Fateh's operation room. #JaF

    EuphratesShield: #FSA backed by #TSK seized back control of whole Kadrish area lost during #ISIS counter-offensive. http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36...44761&z=12&m#…

    N. #Latakia: Rebels fended off Regime attacks despite important Russian/Assad artillery/aerial cover.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m50a7DNeoYM#…

    N. #Hama: heavy clashes & airstrikes in outskirts of #Maan as Rebels launched an assaut to seize over the village-fortress

    Aleppo: intense #RuAF airstrikes on besieged areas continue while pro-Regime forces started attacks in N (#Handarat Camp) & S (Sheikh Said)

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    Lavrov: US apologised to Assad for coalition airstrike that killed regime forces in DairEzzor.

    NOW this is highly interesting a US apology to Assad a genocidal dictator announced by a Russia that has for all practical purposes constantly lied to Kerry and Obama and WHO has never fulfilled a single ceasefire in eastern Ukraine and or Syria.....

    WHEN Obama could have engaged the US in Syria the death toll stood at 7,000 in 2012...

    NOW in 2016 it is at 500,000 and really climbing....

    SO when will the Obama WH apologize to the Syrian Sunni population for being complicit in their genocide, starvation and war crimes.....???

    Interesting question is it not and it reflects badly on that so called Obama "ethnical FP" strategy which really is called "doing nothing stupid"...


    Relentless Russian bombing raids on #Aleppo for two days now. Since morning today, airstrikes killed 51 people according to local reports.

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    Rebels north #Hama announce offensive to take to Ma'an from Assad army
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35...225&z=14&m=b#…

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    New Conflict news ‏@NewConflictNews

    This has to be one of the most Tragic images i have ever posted since starting this feed over 5 years ago #Syria Tears for them
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    Two additional features in this regards:

    Who Bombed the UN Aid Convoy near Aleppo, and

    Syria’s Su-24 Bombers Have Become Its Most Proficient Hospital-Destroyers

    What's the 'lesson' of this entire affair?

    That it's pointless to negotiate with Moscow about any kind of 'cease-fire' in Syria. Just like Washington is not in charge of anybody there (it can influence but not even control Syrian Kurds), Moscow is not in charge there: Tehran is.

    While Tehran and Damascus are meanwhile aiming to 'liberate Aleppo' or 'every inch of Syria', respectively, Moscow is after a quick solution that would support its insistence on status of a military and political 'superpower' on the international tribune. While the IRGC has lately rushed a mass of reinforcements to Aleppo area, enabling it to close the siege of insurgent-held part of the city and make some advances further south, Russians negotiated a cease-fire with the USA.

    Problem is: just like the Americans can exercise some influence upon Syrian Kurds and few allied groups of Sunni Arab insurgents in the country, but are not in control of about 25 major insurgent and 2 jihadist groups fighting against Assad, so also Russians are not in control of the Assad regime or its 'military.

    As reported time and again over the last three years, the Assad-regime is de-facto a puppet of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). It is surviving solely thanks to extensive financial aid from Tehran (total worth of this over the last five years is meanwhile estimated at over US$ 100 billion) and presence of up to 60,000 IRGC-controlled troops (designated 'advisors') in Syria.

    No doubt, Moscow has between 10,000 and 15,000 own 'advisors' in the country (meanwhile including up to 2,500 mercenaries of the Wagner Private Military Company). However, and contrary to the IRGC, Russians have no executive powers in Syria.

    While certain Iranian general commanding the IRGC and its surrogates was declared 'second most important man', none of Russian officers has the authority to command anybody else but Russian troops: they can advise and cooperate only.

    Bottom line: and as discussed in Russian article cited above, Moscow's relations with Damascus are actually those of 'arms supplier to the IRGC, which is supporting Assad' - those between a customer and a merchant, and not something like a master and its proxy.

    This means that the SyAAF remains free to run operations against targets of its own choice, and Russians not only have no control over these, but are then forced to defend such acts like bombardments of dozens of hospitals.

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    http://securityobserver.org/is-an-et...e-think-it-is/

    Is an ethical foreign policy what we think it is?

    By Peter Kelly on June 19, 2012

    As the second decade of the new millennium begins, foreign policy is very different to the century which has preceded it. In the past century the British Empire has fallen, the totalitarian states of Germany, Japan and the USSR rose and fell, the United States rose to become a global super power, and was followed by a gradual slide towards a plurality of world powers over the turn of the century. The emergence of a more complex and morally ambiguous international system, and the years of dominance by western liberal-democratic powers, has made ethical questions of foreign policy both more present and yet more difficult. The divide between idealist notions of absolutely ethical foreign policy and cynicism of the place of ethics in this realm of politics has never been broader.

    What is Ethical?

    For a state to be able to strive for a foreign affairs which centres on ethics in this international system, there needs to be an understanding of what it is to be ethical. Unfortunately the international system does not provide any easy answers to this question, as there are no “internationally accepted standards of morality” to which a government can turn in order to ensure their foreign policy are based on a set of universal ethics.[i]

    The development of ethics in foreign affairs was never more evident than in the rhetoric used in the 2003 war in Iraq. Western states fell back upon declarations of freedom, democracy and multilateralism to explain the use of overwhelming force in the region, and it began two decades of US military action in the Middle East. This language would continue to be used throughout the conflict, even as protests against the conflict began to grow in western states.[ii]#The protesters rallied on the basis that the war was not ethical, despite the rhetoric, and similar protests accompany most western acts of war.[iii] [iv] [v]#So what results in this disengagement between the rhetoric of governments and that of protesters?

    Generally protesters have very hard-and-fast rules on what can be considered ethical and what cannot be. Arms sales, engagements with “dictators” and foreign interventions are considered nothing more than selfish realpolitik and imperialism.[vi]#Any sign that states may involve a mixed set of interests not solely based in ethical values of their people results in resistance from such groups, who oppose any form of mixed motives.[vii]#These groups often place absolute emphasis on the efforts of humanitarian groups and development work, seeing any resort to military action as causing more harm than it could possibly help. But in an international system where governments are the primary actors, can this trust possibly be repaid? As neutral actors without self-defence capabilities or protective ones there are limitations to what humanitarian groups can do, ones which do not match the expectations of anti-war groups, and may even cause the same kind of damage through trying to help that they accuse militaries of. As part of specific groups of very specific backgrounds, these humanitarians are no more the solution to the concept of universal ethics than any other partial system of internationally accepted rules of the international system.[viii]

    If it is accepted that there is no universal code of ethics to refer to, and a foreign policy based solely on the ethics of humanitarianism and development is not possible, is it possible for a foreign policy to be judged as both legitimately ethical and yet perform unethical acts?
    It would seem so in some cases. Actions like the invasion of Afghanistan, though resulting in protests, developed the support of the international community and public opinion in intervening states.[ix]#In these situations, a state with enough support can find solutions to political problems and foreign policy matters which “may be both uncontroversially unjust and uncontroversially legitimate”[x]#The “War on Terror” is a prime example of this situation, where what would be normally ethically acceptable shifted considerably in the wake of the 9/11 attacks to allow measures which previously would have been opposed to become ethically justified.[xi]

    Any policy faced with a purely human dimension faces the fact that the most efficient way to prevent human rights abuses is to prevent any form of violent conflict, even if this means supporting autocratic regimes.[xii]#With humanitarianism rife with problems, can there be another concept of ethics?

    A Domestic Foreign Policy

    Ethics and foreign policy are often shifted and turned as much for popular support as international success. In fact, foreign policy can be described as being framed for domestic consumption.[xiii] This can re-frame foreign policy not as fully ethical or fully selfish, but in terms of whether it is legitimate. In most democratic systems and in the international arena, “the more actors believe an act to be legitimate, the more legitimate it is”[xiv]

    This concept of legitimacy in foreign affairs needs some kind of basis which links state to populace within a nation. By what standard can this legitimacy be judged if humanitarian ethics cannot be relied upon on a universal basis?
    The key of a shift of focus to legitimacy using domestic support is one which requires placing a discriminatory preference for a domestic audience#over internationals in a way never envisaged under humanitarian conceptions of ethics which use only the humanity of individuals as their identity. Instead there emerges an exclusive property to foreign policy in which it centres on a domestic audience at the expense of others. This legitimacy, therefore, is based on a form of obligation of the state to concentrate on the welfare of its citizens alone.[xv]#This stays consistent with a foreign policy which places emphasis on “military security, the integrity of its political life and the well-being of its people”,[xvi]#even when this may involve behaving in an unethical manner to the people of other states.

    Under this dominant emphasis on the domestic audience acts such as arms sales, often considered absolutely unethical to humanitarian organisations, become fully legitimate. Selling weapons to dictatorial regimes known for breaking human rights agreements may become necessary for the economic prosperity of the domestic public.[xvii]

    However this refocus onto legitimacy of the state has so far only referred to the military or economic security of the domestic public. There is a final factor to take into consideration, that of the ideological values of this public. Although US security may well be maintained by supporting dictators worldwide in order to enforce stability and loyal regimes propped up by military and economic agreements, this may halt or even significantly damage the particular value-system of their public and its position in the international system. As a champion of the interests of the domestic population in all other regards, should the government act with significantly different ideological values to the population, its position as a representation of them is damaged.

    This issue has different implications to different cultures. To Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, an emphasis on the superiority of their own people over those of other states permitted an internally legitimate difference between the treatment of their own people and those of other states.[xviii] [xix]#However, to western states which have increasingly stressed equality of all, emancipation of communities, universal suffrage and other such stresses on a humanitarian emphasis on humanity as the sole identity of importance in national policy and rights, showing such discrimination can be internally dissonant. An idea of mutual respect between all individuals becomes inconsistent should the state show no such consistent values on the international stage.[xx]

    Continued.....
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    The Russian/Assad bombing mostly targeted populated areas on the besieged Aleppo,where up to 546 residential areas were under fire

    NOT a single attack by Assad/Putin on any IS position ANYWHERE in Syria.....

    BUT WAIT that was the stated Russian goal when they entered Syrian...OR at least that is what Putin publicly told the last UNGA...OR was he simply lying again???

    THIS photo depicts a victim of a Russian air strike on a IS position in the middle of Aleppo...REMEMBER Putin/Lavrov both stated they are attacking IS...SO how did their AF completely missed IS unless it was a deliberate "miss" as they are and have been working with IS for years and the Obama WH has basically ignored that small fact proven fact....
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    The New York Times

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    "It is like doomsday today in Aleppo
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    http://nyti.ms/2cY64r4
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    Hospitals in east Aleppo overwhelmed by number of injured reaching them due to regime & Russia bombings. Since this morning over 200 injured

    I have started posting more of these graphic photos as a not so subtle reminder of EXACTLY what the face of genocide looks like...EVEN if the Obama/Rhodes/Kerry appears to think it is not ongoing WHEN IT IS EXACTLY in front of their faces.....up close and personal....AND stilled ignored.

    It is a sad day when the US which has repeatedly claimed they will never allow genocide to occur in fact allows it if not actively supports it by their silence and non action tied to "doing nothing stupid"......
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