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    Azor....one small step for mankind but one really big step for Americans.....

    Finally US social media gaints are taking action what social media themselves have been saying is necessary...literally years ago....

    Twitter announced they are removing all "alt Right" accounts...FB is soon to follow.....

    AND the "alt Right" is screaming ...censorship and yes it is....freedom of speech and press are being violated but preaching hatred of minorities and white supremacy is verbal violence....and it should have been stopped years ago.....

    I was once approached by German intelligence services in the 80s and privately asked if I could get the US intel community to help them track 20M USDs that were flowing into German to neo Nazi groups PER YEAR from the US...US response...bank and personal privacy laws..cannot help...

    This was 30 years ago and just how does US neo Nazi groups get 20M USDs to spend every year and from Whom?

    THIS is exactly how a country raised and nurtured under US views of democracy handle hate groups since WW2.....there are laws designed to stop hate groups from both left..right and Islamist....if their hatred threatens the existing government...just takes the Justice Minister's review and then they can be forbidden and all assets pulled in their members arrested.....if they continue their activities.....

    Yesterday there were 85 raids all across German arresting over 200 and seizing assets......computers and other materials of a very active Islamist religious group that had recruited 140 young Germans for Syria....they claimed religious freedom...the German government ruled ...religious freedom yes..but hostile and subversive activities against Germany and the West no...therefore you lost your religious freedom security.
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    3 days after being invited into the Trump team by right-wing Stephen Bannon, Marion Le Pen pledged French allegiance to Russia in Moscow...during a public press conference

    And before you ask: She means the West's "intervention in Syria" of course.
    Not the Russian one ...SERIOUSLY REMEBER I posted the Trump "alt right advisor" Bannon's own tweet from his personal account that he was immediately going to expand his private business into France and Germany to help build a QUOTE "White National Party UNQUOTE

    AND I posted the Le Pen response to his offer to work with LePen's right wing nationalist party taken from her twitter account.

    THEN when social media picked it up and then US MSM started asking the Trump campaign about the Bannon exchange with LePen.....WE HEARD the standard Trump response..."it ain't us and we have had no contacts with her"..JUST as he stated when challenged about his Russian contacts....

    Anyone notice a trend developing...contacts with ultra nationalist parties/Moscow...then discovered....then asked about it..then denial....

    Steve Bannon's admiration of France's National Front exceeds even that of UKIP:

    This particular article gives great insight into the coming Trump FP....Trump via his surrogates believes that if the US threatens Russia with force to contain them...Putin will back down.....

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder...qZ#.lqxxyx9Dxl

    Donald Trump’s newly named chief strategist and senior counselor, Steve Bannon, laid out his global nationalist vision in unusually in-depth remarks delivered by Skype to a conference held inside the Vatican in the summer of 2014.

    Well before victories for Brexit and Trump seemed possible, Bannon declared there was a “global tea party movement” and praised European far-right parties like Great Britain’s UKIP and France’s National Front. Bannon also suggested that a racist element in far-right parties “all gets kind of washed out,” that the West was facing a “crisis of capitalism” after losing its “Judeo-Christian foundation,” and he blasted “crony capitalists” in Washington for failing to prosecute bank executives over the financial crisis.

    The remarks — beamed into a small conference room in a 15th-century marble palace in a secluded corner of the Vatican — were part of a 50-minute Q&A during a conference focused on poverty hosted by the Human Dignity Institute, which BuzzFeed News attended as part of its coverage of the rise of Europe’s religious right. The group was founded by Benjamin Harnwell, a longtime aide to Conservative member of the European Parliament Nirj Deva to promote a “Christian voice” in European politics. The group has ties to some of the most conservative factions inside the Catholic Church; Cardinal Raymond Burke, one of the most vocal critics of Pope Francis who was ousted from a senior Vatican position in 2014, is chair of the group’s advisory board.

    The transcript begins 90 seconds into the then-Breitbart News chairman’s remarks because microphone placement made the opening mostly unintelligible, but you can hear the whole recording at the bottom of the post.

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    NOW one can understand the Bannon interest in ultra national parties in Europe....
    Kremlin's web of political influence in UK, France and Germany. Must-read report from Atlantic Council.http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/image..._web_1116.pdf#
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    BUT WAIT..when it comes to punishing the Russian government for their war crimes and genocide in Syria the Obama WH is not different that the future Trump ME FP....

    The @BarackObama government "worked secretly to delay" and "weaken" sanctions re #Russia and #Iran on #Syria ...https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...b75406#…

    "The Obama admin failed to use the tools at its disposal to stop the suffering of innocent civilians in #Syria."
    http://wapo.st/2fen3DS

    The Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act passed the House, would sanction #Assad and those (#Iran and #Russia) that abet his mass-atrocities
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    As a student of history, mostly self-taught, I find the comparisons between Trump and Hitler to be yet another instance of reductio ad Hitlerum. There are many right-wing democratic populist politicians in Europe, including some leaders, and yet Trump has not been compared to any of those, nor even less murderous populist tyrants e.g. Mussolini, Chavez, Castro, Franco, Putin, etc.

    The comparison between the contemporary United States and Wiemar Germany is equally ridiculous. The latter had weak and mistrusted institutions, had faced a series of armed rebellions, had to contend with a Freikorps that was larger and better armed than its humbled armed forces and police, was suffering from major economic problems and in which the overall sentiment was one of chaos and betrayal. Wiemar was more reminiscent of the Russian Republic’s Provisional Government, and Hitler’s seizure of power was more reminiscent of the Stalinist takeover of Czechoslovakia over 1945-1948.

    If every Hitler comparison was true, then Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr., would all have much in common with the Fuhrer. Yet now we are to believe that the Democratic media only cried wolf before, and that this time there is a wolf i.e. Trump.

    White supremacists, including white nationalists, would support any candidate that promises to deport illegal aliens and improve border security. In whichever presidential election, one candidate is perceived to be tougher on the issue than the other.

    With respect to terrorism and hate crimes, the FBI will issue a report for 2016 next year. I have seen all manner of commentary attempting to tie Trump’s rhetoric to a rise in anti-Muslim hate crimes, yet historically, they have been in fact tied to acts of Muslim terror. We have seen attacks in San Bernardino, Paris and Orlando that have coincided with a rise in anti-Muslim sentiment among Americans. Looking at the number of hate crime and terrorism attacks and deaths since September 11, 2001 (which would obviously skew the statistics), we can see that over 100 people have been killed in Muslim supremacist terrorism in the United States. In comparison, under 20 people have been killed in anti-Muslim hate crimes over the same period. This contrast is rather stark.

    Nor do I believe that the mainstream media suppressed a story about Trump’s connections to the Kremlin. I have seen repeated news articles and opinion pieces on the matter to the extent that people might as well conclude that Trump is a “Manchurian Candidate” in addition to being a reincarnation of Hitler.

    If you disagree with the First Amendment and believe in the state’s right to suppress hate groups and hate speech, then you would agree with deeming all Wahhabi and Salafi congregations as cults and banning them, correct?

    Unfortunately, the German government is not necessarily the best judge of what is a threat and what is not. Today, Germans who oppose Merkel’s open border policy face official censorship and censure for discussing it on social media, in addition to being victims of migrant crime. Tomorrow, the German government may change and people or Turkish, Arab, Kurdish or African descent may find themselves forced to assimilate into Germans and censored and censured when they attempt to practise their cultures. Given your knowledge of history, you should know how rapidly German society can transform itself.

    In conclusion, the Hitler smear and the GRU/SVR canard were efforts at negative campaigning that failed. They were attempts to scare American Jews and the historically ignorant into voting for Hillary Clinton, and to convince the foreign policy hawks to cross the aisle. Hitler has notoriety and name-recognition that other tyrants don’t, and Americans have forgotten how confronting Putin was a Cold War anachronism for both Obama and Hillary and how relations needed to be “reset”…

    If, as John Kerry bloviates, global warming is the biggest threat to humanity, then they should have left Hitler and Putin out of it…
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    Azor...as an historian then you fully under the process by which facism slowly undermines a so called democracy....do I need to point to the current Hungarian and or Polish models where both countries did well under so called proWestern and proEU parties and both countries developed well actually in the last 25 years but then a slow but steady nationalist trend entered and now both are full scale nationalist and to a developing degree ultra nationalist government BUT still wanting naturally the EU cas flow to keep them in power.....

    Secondly when talking recently to a good Russian friend a Jew who left Russia with his family for Germany in 1998 about the election...he stated...well you Americans have a tendency for radical shifts and this is one of those shifts....end of his comment.....

    Thirdly, if you have been following the Ukrainian thread and lately this thread you will see I keep pounding away on the Russian non linear warfare model with the two critical cornerstones of cyber warfare and information warfare....

    Russia is running circles around us with both right now and not a single pushback by the US...Obama WH nor the Republican Party...heck the RP stepped up and used the Russian hacking/wikileaks against the US as a weaponized attack system against Clinton and said thank you as we heard in both the Trump statements about asking Moscow to release the emails..and the Breitbart.com repeating a lot of the "fake news sites"..fake Clinto accusations.

    Only two Senators feel it necessary to conduct an open hearing on the DNC hacking attacks and or fake news sites....

    Fourthly, Russian info warfare....during the height of the campaign a large number of Trump voters when interviewed stated they get their information from social media.....WELL.....after our analysis of proTrump tweets...41% of those were sent by a Russian company based in Macedonia using teenage labor

    So if Trump claimed as he often did that he has say 100,000 new followers following his account TEHN just how many of those accounts are Russian?

    Fifth....you will be seeing far more on the "fake news accounts on social media...we and others have been tracking social media and conducting network analysis of those accounts and strangely right now 64% of those found came out of European servers largely via Russia and Belarus....

    THEN is we take the official Russian propaganda media legally residing in the US Russia Today and Sputnik International ....one has a massive info war machine 24 X 7 X 365 hard at work on the same narrative....

    Sixth..as a historian you know then the ideological differences and the historical differences between Whabbism...Salafists....Takfirists....Sufism...and especially a little discussed Islamic aspect.....Shia Revolutionary Islam...

    You do realize that many believe Sufi's are a mystical peaceful group...BUT hey the Iraqi Sufi Order Naqshbandi was one of the largest Iraqi Sunni insurgent groups...is still in the fight and still lead by the Iraqi General al Duri
    AND historically they have often been jihadists.....

    BTW...German security services announced today that Europe wide there are an average of only FIVE per day drifting into Syria from Europe vs the previous 100 or more per day....

    Seven.....the Germans go a lot further in protecting free speech and freedom of the press than Trump does right now as he has signaled his deep dislike or rather outright hatred of the US media...thus his constant twitter battles with NYTs and WaPo because he did not like their articles about him....he even wants to change some of the laws around protection of the press to a more UK like model which really does restrict the freedom of the press via the threats of being sued constantly...

    Before a German government can restrict both it requires an investigation into the question of FDGO....their support for the basic principles of democracy and do they in words and deeds combat the FDGO..in the case of the raids against one of the largest religious protected German Salafist their recruiting 140 German youths to fight in Syria was basis enough........

    So if you do believe in the concept of information warfare...then maybe we should as a government forbid Russia Today....Sputnik International and Brietbart.com to stop as they are nothing but propaganda tools.....

    Azor....what you missed completely is that by Trump...Bannon...Giuliani and others around Trump using the classical dog whistles of racism...... sexism...white supremacy.....Trump and company have now made the ideology and doctrine of the KKK....the "alt Right...Aryan Nation...now fashionable for MSM...once when they were actually on the political fringe they are now acceptable and their talking points even repeated by Trump lending respectability to them.....would you not agree????

    AND that is truly dangerous....
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    Fake election stories got more engagement on Facebook than top election stories from 19 major news outlets combined https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilver...RPo#.mpRxNrDp5

    NOW Azor the analysis of these fake sites show an major amount of the fakes articles pertained to alleged Clinton corruption...crazy stories about the emails downloaded by WikiLeaks...AND this is critical....a large number centered around of set of totally faked and doctored emails that were part and parcel of the WikiLeaks dump....NOW this is not "information warfare"...BUT WAIT some call it "freedom of the press"......and "free speech" BUT WAIT when it is designed to undermine the core principles of democracy THEN what is it????I would love to post the locations of IP addresses of the servers pushing these sites but I am restricted by my customer......might be an eye opener for you and other Americans....

    BTW....there is a Chrome add-on floating around on the net that allows Chrome to indicate if the site is fake or not...
    .@selectall made a Chrome extension that will flag fake-news site for you. Super smart.
    http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/11/h...s.html#…

    Azor the reason these fake sites are dangerous is the way the current 24 hour news cycle works.....we tracked one particular European based fake news article into the US....then watched it get picked up SIX other fakes sites....then it was further picked up by the right wing radio talk media quoting these fakes sites as if they were real news and then made the leap into the standard MSM as they assumed wrongly the article was true AS they failed to simply fact check...this is what we call the Post truth...period...
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    What worries me in all theses discussions whether here or on the Ukraine thread or the blog on what is Trump's future FP....are two inherent things that go deeply into a sphere that many Americans do not nor do they like discussing....propaganda/information warfare and can US citizens be compromised by Russian intelligence and used as "agents of influence"...

    If anyone does not know the term please Google "agents of influence" for a clear definition....

    I have tried to pound the theme here that we are losing and losing badly the propaganda war....when it was the US cornerstone in the Cold War days...BUT it was elegantly wrapped in the narrative "common values"....

    Latest example..last night on CNN ...a major Trump supporter was called out on the unusual amount of lies put into play by the Trump campaign and from Trump himself....I personally stopped counting at 121....in six months....

    His response was yes there were lies and I know it BUT I liked what I heard coming from Trump.....WHAT can be said about that statement?

    Second example....in order to get a TS/SCI and other side clearances such as Gamma and since Snowdon you must currently pass what is called a "lifestyle and CI polygraph".......

    NOW we have a potential conflict of inter4est when a former US 3 star intel General who was fired or poor performance as the DIA Director has been making or over three years very positive statements about Putin's FP and then shows up in Moscow at a major Russian Today event sitting on the same table as Putin.....

    THEN when questioned about that he refuses to state was the trip a consulting deal...was it paid for by RT and how much has he received fro previous RT interviews....."he refused to answer those questions as a former US senior intel officer"......

    SO now does he simply get his previous clearance reinstated and slides past the "life style and CI polygraph"...or is he held to the same standard and thousands of other US citizens who hold such a clearance????????

    WHEN Politico are more conservative media outlet starts writing articles like this ...they are as concerned as I am about who Flynn really works for.....

    Gen. Mike Flynn goes to Moscow:
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story
    /2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833#

    JUST a side comment....Gazprom the Russian natural gas company has been used for years as a "weaponized economic influencer" against or for Russian opponents or supporters.....they have thrown millions of dollars/euros at their supporters and then massively overcharged their opponents....

    The same exact game is being played by Russian Today that has even corrupted former anti Russian journalists and news media personalities who now work for RT praising Trump and Putin with multi million dollar contracts with RT....
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    Trump's national security pick is a proponent of #torture & #warcrimes
    http://bit.ly/2fKVEKc

    And, Islamophobia...
    http://nyti.ms/2fKUGOg
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Trump's national security pick is a proponent of #torture & #warcrimes
    http://bit.ly/2fKVEKc

    And, Islamophobia...
    http://nyti.ms/2fKUGOg
    (Washington) – President-elect#Donald Trump’s#choice of retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn for National Security Advisor demonstrates a deeply disturbing disregard for#human rights principles and the laws of war. Flynn has repeatedly endorsed proposals#by Trump that#would constitute torture and other war crimes.

    “Michael Flynn has#shown a stunning contempt for the Geneva Conventions and other laws prohibiting torture,” said Sarah Margon, Washington director at Human Rights Watch. “By offering this key post to Flynn,#President-elect Trump is undermining US commitments to international laws that have been broken to America’s detriment.”
    BTW...just a side comment..in 2005 and 2006 the US Army was under massive pressure by HRW for their actions in Iraq....in 2006 HRW was invited to the Army's National Training Center at Ft. Irwin CA and asked to ensure that the Iraq training scenario conformed to what they expected....BTW they were totally surprised we had invited them...thus began a very fruitful exchange for both... much to the surprise of HRW as they were provided unlimited access and input.....and the scenario they worked with us on was solid in the areas they foresaw to be problems as they had seen them in Iraq......suddenly the critique of the Army in Iraq by HRW stopped.

    SO when they make this kind of statement public THEN I intently listen to them.....

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    FOR those that do not fully comprehend "fake news" and HOW it works....THIS is the greatest example AND from our new President...THIS is in fact hardcore info warfare being directed straight at Trump voters...some in Europe call this what it is.... outright propaganda/disinformation.

    Trump tweets this yesterday...got picked up on the right wing radio media outlets and on the Trump twitter feeds and passed countless times around on proTrump social media sites and fake news sites as the "truth"...AND THIS MORNING I see it was picked up by German MSM....AND roundly critiqued as FALSE....

    Donald J. Trump
    Verified account
    ‏@realDonaldTrump
    Just got a call from my friend Bill Ford, Chairman of Ford, who advised me that he will be keeping the Lincoln plant in Kentucky - no Mexico

    SO we have our new President basically lying as no plant was ever moving ANYWHERE and he SAVED no jobs as none where being lost....AND we have FOUR years of this lying coming full at us....

    AND Ford responded to this fake claim TWO full months ago....

    Our president-elect tweeted something that clearly implies his election prevented a plant from moving south.

    I worked at the plant mentioned. We build a Lincoln at the Louisville Assembly Plant. It was and as far as I know still is

    Yeah, the confusion is over the shift of one type of car from a plant in Michigan to a new one in Mexico

    WaPo confirms that according to union there were never jobs at stake. No "plant" was ever moving.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ng-to/#…

    Welp.
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    Ku Klux Klan Plans Victory Parade For Donald Trump
    https://youtu.be/35CS5E9jeTQ

    Any pushback from Trump and company and distancing himself from this parade....nothing...silence..crickets.....
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    U.N. nuclear watchdog criticizes Iran for overstepping deal limit
    http://reut.rs/2fkeask

    NOT SO SUBTLE KSA warning to Trump and his advisors....
    Prince Turki al-Faisal at #MEIconf: 'If #Trump makes a deal w. #Russia & #Iran over #Syria, it'll be the most disastrous step possible'

    Rumored to be the next national security advisor who actually got fired by Obama from his failure with and inside DIA.....and who has shown himself in numerous trips to Moscow to in fact be Putin leaning....as well in his comments...

    Putin's Darling: Nat'l Security Advisor Flynn on Russian TV. Amazing that Republicans have decided they are OK with this. Party > Country
    BUT WAIT.....engaged as a lobbyist for Turkey...and no conflict o interest there whatsoever is there...he had suggested Gulen be deported from the US to Turkey....????

    Trump adviser linked to Turkish lobbying and Russian propaganda arms
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...bbying-231354#
    .@GenFlynn nixed Peter Pace, Bill McRaven, Jim Mattis and former House Intel chair Mike Rogers, reports @KellyO:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...rmoil-n685321#

    Flynn's DIA firing not behind this right?????
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    Obama changes tune about #Russia: once he said it was "regional power" now he says its a "military superpower"

    No, really, we just wasted 4 years over Hillary's private server and now Prez-Elect Trump is talking to world leaders on his private phone.

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    Russia's Foreign Ministry says starting to contact Trump's team over Syria
    http://www.interfax.ru/world/537450

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    Azor....just a kind of historical wakeup for Americans...in 1986 the US Nazi Party was flowing 20M USDs per year into the German NPd and various associated groups and the German Postal system was intercepting over SIX tons of printed US Nazi Party materials as they contained Nazi symbols forbidden under German law....

    AND that was 1986 and it has only gotten worse over the years.....a famously rich American LaRoche who has served US jail time once wrote in a book of his...."you do not need to wear Brown to be Brown"....and his daughter has led the European Workers Party from the very beginning and it has seats in the European Parliament just as does UKIP and LePen's Front Nationale....simply because of the EU election laws that state if your party reaches a certain percentage of votes then you can make it into the EU Parliament...

    The former UK UKIP leader once he won Brexit after beating up on the EU quit his UKIP leadership position BUT maintained his EU Parliament seat as that pays 12K Euros per month....and health care and free transportation as a EU Parliament member....THAT is what I call hypocrisy first call version.....AND his wife is German and that gives him the right when UK goes into Brexit to remain a EU citizen what he fought against becoming.....with everything he condemned about the EU...
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