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    Machine counting of ballots in Racine County WI did not match hand count.....in the Presidential election.
    https://youtu.be/D1284ARxFag

    Court just ruled against us in the #GA06 voting machine case. Hackable, unverifiable machines are okay under GA law
    GA06 update.
    Additional briefs filed by both sides. No decision until at least next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Machine counting of ballots in Racine County WI did not match hand count.....in the Presidential election.
    https://youtu.be/D1284ARxFag

    Court just ruled against us in the #GA06 voting machine case. Hackable, unverifiable machines are okay under GA law
    GA06 update.
    Additional briefs filed by both sides. No decision until at least next week.
    Racine County
    Ugly
    Clinton Peaking around 64% dives to about 47%
    Enough said
    No wonder why they didn’t allow a hand recount here

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    Brown County
    This is an absolute Mess. No need for words.
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    Vote Sleuth
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    What if I wanted to “hack” an election?

    Let’s say you are running for public office. Campaigning hard, losing sleep over poll results, wishing somehow you could get a guaranteed edge on you opponent. And then one day you get a phone call from a guy who says he can sell you a little computer program that would let you get into those electronic voting machines and change things around.
    The simple program can do whatever you want it to. It can delete votes. It can add new ones. It can “flip” votes so those that should have gone to your opponent instead go to you. You can use this program to change the results of any or all the precincts.
    So how do you use this magical tool?
    You will need to be clever because of all the polls leading up to the election, plus the voter registration numbers by party, plus the exit polls. It would look funny if the results are too different from what is expected.
    Additionally, precincts keep good track of how many ballots are cast, so it’s best not to add or delete votes. Better to flip them – change votes so ones that were cast for your opponent go to you instead.
    It looks like you’re trailing 49% to 51%, so you need to do something.
    But what, exactly?
    Well. You know votes are counted precinct by precinct. And exit poll takers will be there at many of those precincts, hoping to make a prediction even before the polls close.
    And you need to change the results by many thousands of votes in order to close that 2% gap.
    Therefore, it’s best not to touch the small precincts. If only 200 people vote in a given precinct, eyebrows might be raised if you flip even 20 of the votes, because that’s 10% of the total. Which is a lot. Plus 20 votes is a drop in the bucket, compared to the number of votes you need to flip to ensure that you win the election.
    Additionally, each time the “flipping” occurs you run the risk of being caught somehow. An automatic backup might catch your program in the act, or a power interruption might cause it to stop running before it has had a chance to delete itself.
    So it’s much better to leave the small precincts alone, and skim the votes from the larger precincts. In a precinct where 1000 ballots are cast, those 20 votes are only 2% of the total. That’s a small enough amount to easily get lost in the noise, and you minimize the risk of somehow being caught in the act.
    So you set your program to only flip votes in precincts where a certain number of votes have been cast.
    It’s the only sensible way to go about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    That time Trump testified under oath to my lawyers and acknowledged lying 30 times.
    Via @Fahrenthold/@robertoharrow
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...on/trump-lies/
    Tim O'Brein wrote "trump wasn't as weathy as he claim"
    Trump hired Kasowitz and sued said NTYs reporter for 4B.
    Trump lost

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    Quote Originally Posted by max161 View Post
    Which ones were career politicians? A term or two as governor (and Bush 1 never held an elected office until he was VPOTUS) does not seem to make a career politician. A peanut farmer (state senator and 1 term governor), an entertainer (spokesman and 2 term governor), a businessman (and DCIA and ambassador) and a businessman (owning a sports team, lost one House race and ran his father's presidential campaign and 5 years as governor in his only elected office) do not seem to be career politician activity.
    It is not my intention to debate the semantics of "career". If you can identify a postwar president with less legal/public sector experience than Trump, please do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    BUT WAIT....I thought the whole idea what that a non DC non politician and a great super businessman with this massive global expertise was going to run the government far better than "those evil politicians in DC", was going to "drain the swamp", was going to create millions of jobs, was going to raise the middle class to new heights of income, was going to give Americans this "beautiful health care plan" and provide great support to vets etc....

    AND all we get is a man child who rant tweets, has no FP outside of his business dealings and that "drain the swamp thingy" who has damaged the global brand called US in ways that he cannot even see.....AND that "beautiful healthcare plan"?????

    That is what that 45% of the voters wanted right????

    REMEMBER he did lose the actual general election vote total....
    As someone who did not vote for Trump in November, I feel no need to defend him or his campaign. What I will continue to do is question hypocrisy, dishonesty and intellectual laziness, and hold up a mirror to those who have picked up the baton from the Tea Party, Birthers, and "alt-right" that spent eight years doing the same to Obama.

    As for you, my dear rogue, I'm out of this thread because you're not truly engaging with me.

    This thread is not about Trump and NATO, or Trump and Syria, or Trump and the Sunni-Shia conflict, or Trump and the armed forces or Trump and the GCC. Suffice it to say, this is not about "The Trump impact on US policy".

    I don't mind if you require your own thread to get things off your chest, and make sense of fast-paced developments. I'd just rather that you told me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    It is not my intention to debate the semantics of "career". If you can identify a postwar president with less legal/public sector experience than Trump, please do so.
    Fair enough. If that is the criteria so be it. But career politicians and lawyers they are all not.
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    "Irregular warfare is far more intellectual than a bayonet charge." T.E. Lawrence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    As someone who did not vote for Trump in November, I feel no need to defend him or his campaign. What I will continue to do is question hypocrisy, dishonesty and intellectual laziness, and hold up a mirror to those who have picked up the baton from the Tea Party, Birthers, and "alt-right" that spent eight years doing the same to Obama.

    As for you, my dear rogue, I'm out of this thread because you're not truly engaging with me.

    This thread is not about Trump and NATO, or Trump and Syria, or Trump and the Sunni-Shia conflict, or Trump and the armed forces or Trump and the GCC. Suffice it to say, this is not about "The Trump impact on US policy".

    I don't mind if you require your own thread to get things off your chest, and make sense of fast-paced developments. I'd just rather that you told me.
    Ayor......you also have failed to respond to an open challenge ...show me a single posting of mine here that does not confirm and or deny in support to and not support to Putins THREE geo political goals of his political war against the US....

    1. damage and discredit NATO
    2. damage and discredit EU
    3. completely and totally disconnect US from Europe and ME especially disconnecting US from Germany

    A major goal of first Soviet Union and now Russian for over 70 very long years....

    BTW...every Trump word, every Trump interview, every Trump press conference and especially Trumps tweets does in fact support one of the Putin THREE goals...so convince me of the opposite??

    I pointed you to David Horowity simply because he created and supports Bannon and Miller and is thoroughly and deeply involved in the true "alt right" ie white nationalist money in the US that has far more money available than a single Soros....

    So the challenge....show me a single posting here that does not in fact go to the Putin three geo political goals in his political war with the US....

    AND in that vein........

    Misread…misquoted…misrepresented: Far Right cashes in on misinformation, sows doubt to discredit Russia probe, Comey
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/u...posobiec.html#

    BTW...notice that name "Posobiec" ...the cheerleader on the US alt right ie white nationalist side that has deep ties to the Russian trolling army in their info warfare against the US...so ask the simple question why does an US citizen work so closely with Russian RIS?????

    BTW you will find a number of postings here about "Posobiec"...

    BLUF ...everything posted here to the thread as to what Trumps external FP is ...is in fact directly related to his internal US alt right ie white nationalist supporter and money base....

    Study the US "alt right" and you see Trumps FP moves.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    As someone who did not vote for Trump in November, I feel no need to defend him or his campaign. What I will continue to do is question hypocrisy, dishonesty and intellectual laziness, and hold up a mirror to those who have picked up the baton from the Tea Party, Birthers, and "alt-right" that spent eight years doing the same to Obama.

    As for you, my dear rogue, I'm out of this thread because you're not truly engaging with me.

    This thread is not about Trump and NATO, or Trump and Syria, or Trump and the Sunni-Shia conflict, or Trump and the armed forces or Trump and the GCC. Suffice it to say, this is not about "The Trump impact on US policy".

    I don't mind if you require your own thread to get things off your chest, and make sense of fast-paced developments. I'd just rather that you told me.
    Azor......this is exactly why I asked if you had read anything from the 60s by David Horowitz as the basis for a discussion that if you have paid close attention I keep posting about....the connection between the alt right ie white nationalists and Russian influence operations...Horowitz in the 60s was for the destruction of the state as is Bannon and Miller are today...and Bannon and Miler came out of the Horowitz grouppies.

    This thread is not about Trump and NATO, or Trump and Syria, or Trump and the Sunni-Shia conflict, or Trump and the armed forces or Trump and the GCC. Suffice it to say, this is not about "The Trump impact on US policy".
    Even you must admit that Trumps external views on whatever he happens to espouse in that moment is his FP and it is largely driven by his internal voter and supporter base.....

    It is that exact supporter base that is interesting....and requires some serious thoughts about...

    The US has had since the later 40s a major hang on the right side of believing and investing time and effort into countless fake news and or conspiracy theories and yes even Eisenhower got hit by them from the then developing John Birch Society which really was an outgrowth of the late 20s KKK political movement and it took all the energy of a Buckley to keep it in check and when he died it exploded into life under the title of "Tea Party" and the GOP true conservative moment is now officially dead and buried....

    Largely replaced by an alt right populism that thrives literally on conspiracy theories down to the "Pizzagate" child porn ring run by Clinton.....black copters, state surveillance of our every move, coming for our weapons and "deep state" to name a few items....

    What is interesting is actually Horowitz who called for the destruction of US FP and US economic FP built on US expansionism and imperialism if you read his books from the late 60s....

    NOW that very same Horowitz wants the same exact thing BUT this time cloaked in the language of the ultra right....Bannon "I am a Leninist and I want to destroy the establishment"....this is no different from Horowitz claiming to be a Marxist and wanting the same thing....only 50 odd years earlier.

    Answer me this...how is it that while everyone beats up on the so called "left" that same "so called left" cannot match the sheer volume of money the ultra right has available at the drop of a pin??????

    Yes we see actors, top business people donating to the "left" ideas and projects BUT the depth and breath of the Koch brothers, the Mercers, a LaRoche is not seen anywhere on the "left". The single "leftist" pointed to is Soros....and then it stops...

    I count about a total of 12 moneyed "left supporting individuals or families".....on the right I stopped counting at 35 and could go on if asked to...

    And surprisingly these right individuals and or families are intertwined via countless "tax deductible charities"....which are not suppose to be political supporters but IRS has never really clamped down on them...
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    Azor...now you understand why I track in Europe such botnets....and this botnet is in fact under partial control of two Russian based control servers so what does a right wing US billionaire have to do with Putin.....

    The hedge fund billionaire Robert Mercer is behind Trump's social media bot army -
    http://nydn.us/2r5wETq

    Believe me when I openly state this journalist info is correct and has been verified....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Vote Sleuth
    Investigating Democracy One Precinct at a time
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    What if I wanted to “hack” an election?

    Interestingly most of the larger EU countries still use the good old fashion paper ballots that eliminate any thought of "hacking" results and all paper ballots are hand counted twice...

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    Notice the alt right media sites are still pushing this messaging..which Trump started ....

    Fox News‏
    @FoxNews

    .@CLewandowski_: "I think Jim Comey is in big trouble... Jim Comey is a liar."

    Basically following the Russian 6Ds Propaganda Principles

    Deflect.....Distort...Dismiss...Distract......ALL designed to create Doubt and Distreust....

    So from this simple 13 words which of the Russian 6Ds fits the interview statement????

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    Fmr FBI agent Asha Rangappa: Trump appears unwilling to uphold his oath “to preserve, protect & defend” the country.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...a23a124032c4#…
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    Azor...this goes to the heart of what I have been saying about the "alt right"...which is far more prone to violence than any leftist group since say the Weathermen...

    ‘No threat to persons or community’: Florida judge grants bail to neo-Nazi arrested with bomb-making materials
    http://ow.ly/AGZf30cumja

    This guy posted plans online to bomb buildings & kill people, and was found w/ bomb-making materials & a framed photo of Timothy McVeigh...

    BUT WAIT...what would have happened if he had been a Muslim from one of the "Trump extremely vetted and banned countries"????
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    APPEARS that the Comey public hearing comments were correct about Sessions and a third meeting with the Russian Ambassador that Sessions "forgot" to mention the second time around....

    Per WaPo, Sessions will likely testify before a *closed* hearing of the Senate Intel Cmte. This is a cop-out.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...8b62ad#…

    Sessions swapped an open hearing for a closed one, lending credence to the old saying, "People with nothing to hide, hide nothing."
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    The woman behind today's anti-Muslim #MarchAgainstSharia has ties to the Trump WH.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-mu...er&via=desktop

    This is a good profile of Rebel Media's Gavin McInnes, who is headlining the #MarchAgainstSharia in NYC.

    Rebel Media is a leading white nationalist blogsite trying to foster the idea that it is a "real news outlet" for its readers....AND an avowed proTrump supporter....

    The guy headlining today's #MarchAgainstSharia in NYC also recently started a "military division" of his white supremacist club...

    Here's Rebel Media's Gavin McInnes talking about the "military division" of Proud Boys that he founded w/violent felon Kyle Chapman.
    Proud Boys is a ultra right violence group....REMEMBER the killer of two recently in Portland had attended a Proud Boys rally in Portland the day before his killings....

    Reference Basedstickman...he is a neo Nazi who has been seen fighting with Berkeley students who were against a neo Nazi rally on their campus....

    REMEMBER the Trump tweet....that USC Berkeley should lose all federal funding for not allowing free speech...meaning the right for neo Nazis to hold proTrump rallies on university campuses....
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    Reference BasedStickman...the new hero of the ultra right...
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    Azor...now do you see the ultra right, alt right and proTrump wing that is actually supported by Trump tweets....it exists and it is real....and it is violent when it wants to be.....which is anytime against anti Trump supporters....

    Kind of a Trump Brownshirt militia...that no one in MSM even discusses.

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    Someone has created a lot of fake antifa twitter accts over the past 2 mos.

    Will post research into who is behind and who controls these fake twitter accounts....not even removed by Twitter Support when identified...why is that????

    BTW...the Antifa movement is German to begin with...a loose group of left, conservatives, liberals, non political types, students against any form of fascism and or neo Nazi activity in Germany....

    The interesting thing is if one looks at these tweets notice the black flag over the red...actually it is suppose to be red over black...but it appears US neo Nazis want to make sure everyone knows who is posting these accounts....
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