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    Ahem....well said.....

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...etter-daughter

    Sorkin Girls,

    Well the world changed late last night in a way I couldn’t protect us from. That’s a terrible feeling for a father. I won’t sugarcoat it—this is truly horrible. It’s hardly the first time my candidate didn’t win (in fact it’s the sixth time) but it is the first time that a thoroughly incompetent pig with dangerous ideas, a serious psychiatric disorder, no knowledge of the world and no curiosity to learn has.....

    The battle isn’t over, it’s just begun. Grandpa fought in World War II and when he came home this country handed him an opportunity to make a great life for his family. I will not hand his granddaughter a country shaped by hateful and stupid men. Your tears last night woke me up, and I’ll never go to sleep on you again.

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    TC...the US media reported just before the election about a internet server existing between the Trump Tower and the Russian Alpha Bank....it did in fact exist and is now the subject of a FISA request.

    I have been allowed to review their data and in fact the server was configured in a way to avoid monitoring..configured in ways that the SVR uses to communicate with their field agents ie spys....and virtually undetectable if one does not what to look for....

    THAT is the clue on this server..configured in ways the SVR is known to use to communicate with their overseas field agents ie spys......

    NOW go back and look at how social media attacked the report massively over three days....NOW tie in the over 1/3rd of all proTrump supporting tweets during the entire campaign as being generated by a Russian troll company sitting in Macedonia AND then tie in an unusually high number of actual fake social media news sites carrying the Trump messaging and lies...

    AND then tell me European security services are not concerned by Trump getting access to TS/SCI/GAMA intel.....AND their intel...

    Russian Foreign Ministry was in contact with Trump team during campaign - Deputy foreign minister, Sergei Ryabkovhttp://www.interfax.ru/russia/536442

    AND REMEMBER Trumps own personal statement that he and his campaign has NO ties to Russian contacts and or individuals.....
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    Slapout....

    To those who found Trump's pronouncements absurd, a key to understanding them can be found in an insight buried in an article published by the Atlantic magazine in September.

    During an interview the reporter,#Salena Zito, caught Trump out peddling a ginned-up unemployment figure. She did what good political reporters always do and called him on it with a fistful of facts.

    He responded with the blithe ease of a man who knew there was no threat for him in this moment.

    "That's interesting," he said.#That was when it dawned on her. "The press takes#him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally," she said.

    She is right. Trump made himself a populist chimera, and while the establishment bickered about what he meant, he allowed his supporters to make him anything they wanted
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    Slapout...now go back into your history books and fully understand exactly just how Hitler took over Germany in 33/34.....by the exact same methodology.....Goebbels was great at it......

    Actually all current US and European far right populist groups use the tactic....and use it well...
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    "Quite a few" members of #Trump team were in contact with #Russian officials -- Moscow.
    http://wpo.st/g6BD2

    BUT WAIT......when confronted about this during the campaign BOTH Trump and his campaign sworn there was no contact......
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    KKK announces North Carolina ‘victory’ parade http://www.newsobserver.com/news/pol...13915898.html#

    Trump's business empire poses unprecedented potential conflicts of interest http://reut.rs/2fV6Fg2

    US president does not have to put assets into blind trust & Trump says his family will manage his wealth = liable to pressure.

    Putin Press Secretary and close adviser Peskov in #NewYork.
    Hint:Not only for chess match
    #Buildingconnections w/ #PresidentElectTrump
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    I was watching Sky Europe at 0230 in the morning here in Berlin after the election and there was a US Political Science Professor and an voter analyst that at around 0430 stated that if the local voting counts came in as he was seeing them that in fact it might be possible that both Trump and Clinton tie at 269 to 269...

    The Sky moderator waved off his comments in a hurry BUT he remained leery the entire evening about the incoming numbers as being accurate....

    BUT two of the media outlets driving the early "wins for each state" were Fox and Sky...both owned by the same media owner and Conservative....

    THERE are still a large number of votes that are coming in...and absentee ballots that have not be counted as well as a lot of local recounts and military votes that have not been counted and the popular vote numbers are actually increasing non the Clinton side not the Trump side and AP has YET to call who won four major US states....

    THEN this today from AP...if actually when all the ballots are finally counted WHAT if it is actually a tie...THEN it goes to Congress which will then still vote for Trump...

    BUT then what is his and the Republican "legitimacy" to claim then to the people they have a "mandate" to do as they please???? WHEN the electoral College was a tie BUT the popular vote went the opposite direction????

    Updated#| As of Thursday, three states remain electoral toss-ups, according to Associated Press projections: New Hampshire, Michigan and Arizona. If Hillary Clinton wins the combined 31 electoral votes from those states, she will still be short of Donald Trump’s 279 votes, more than the 270 needed to win the presidency.
    However, AP analyst Michael McDonald, who teaches political science at the University of Florida and runs the United States Elections Project, an election statistics website, says he is skeptical that Trump won Wisconsin, as the AP projected. If that state flips for Clinton#and she wins the other toss-up states, she and Trump could be in a tie at 269 votes each.

    BTW...there are still countless recounts STILL ongoing that are constantly changing the final numbers and the popular vote count for Clinton has actually been climbing and Trump's as remained rather constant...
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    This was TONIGHT. And he's not campaigning, doing some schtick to rile his "base".
    This is simply who he is AND YES even his own voters stated they knew his "baggage" BUT were comfortable with it.

    Now imagine him in office.
    With the full power of state surveillance at his whim and the ability to imprison without due process.

    If perhaps you're not concerned about the rights of free assembly and expression, let's look at freedom of the press.

    During his campaign, Trump had media "blacklists" - journalists who were not allowed in his events because he didn't like their coverage.

    In other words: he refused to respect freedom of the press even as a *candidate* - which was unprecedented.

    He even called out a female journalist in front of an audience of many thousands and had the entire audience boo her. By name. In person

    What do you imagine will stop him once he's POTUS from using the powers of the state to act out on his disdain and hatred for journalists?

    AND he has voiced support for the same exact UK press liable laws to be able to sue at will any journalist article and or statements....

    One of Trump's surrogates has already admitted the campaign is keeping a "list" of "enemies"..."enemies" meaning those that did not fully and completely support Trump...

    What do you imagine will stop him once he's POTUS from using the powers of the state to act out on his disdain and hatred for journalists?

    BOTH bush Presidents saw Donald Trump and his cadre as so dangerous and extremist they disavowed them.

    What we're facing in 2017 is a perfect storm:
    1. GOP controlled House, Senate, and White House.
    2. SCOTUS openings.
    3. POTUS Trump
    4. No moral compass.

    WE have seen this already by statements of his transition team that those that did not fully support Trump will not be hired AND his denial yesterday to allow the press to follow his WH visit yesterday AS he has a distain for the WH Press Corp...THAT he has voiced over the last four years.....

    WHAT is amazing is just how fast the press and journalists have finally after a long number of years "has gone against Trump"

    WHAT TRUMP has vastly underestimated is the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) WHICH now he faces as a government employee....he must respond to and provide everything asked for or end up in court defending why not....and the Press has stated to dig and dig and dig in his past business deals...and his financial contacts to China and Russia...

    THIS is the real reason Clinton had her own private email server ...to sidestep FOIA....

    BTW.....Like Putin, Trump suggests protesters are being paid.
    This destruction of property and violence is what the President-elect wants to see. It will give him a reason later to crackdown and introduce federal laws against demonstrations on anything...

    One of the first symptoms of autocratic regimes is the paranoia that all protests are "professional". Good morning.

    "Trump's electorate did not take his racism/mysoginism/threats seriously, unlike us", muse soul-searching pundits. BASED ON WHAT EVIDENCE?

    IMHO the Trump supporters did fully and seriously take what Trump stated as evidence he would act on what he stated at his rallies..JUST the MSM did not....
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    Outlaw,

    I am not oblivious to the threat. Sites like Lawfare, War on the Rocks, and even Foreign Policy have all reported on the connection It is noteworthy that the only piece of the Republican Party Platform the Trump campaign had any interest in was removing lethal aid to the Ukraine. Why would Trump care about making sure the Ukrainians did not get lethal aid?

    I fully appreciate what you are saying. I get the same vibe. But the American government is a huge bureaucracy that pretty much runs itself. Changes will not come quickly. In many cases, it will not come at all without open rebellion - the Constitution will prohibit certain actions.

    I have to wonder how long the intelligence community will put up with Trump (or the Trump team) as a Russian pawn. Things to watch early will be who ends up in his National Security Team.

    As for the real changes in the country, I am not sure if they will be a real fire of a fizzle. Trump is a symptom of what has happened in America since Nixon left office. 1. Economic - Real wages have been flat and globalization/international trade has redistributed jobs in a global market. American Trade deals did a lot to spread the wealth, but did not take into account the downside to the American worker. 2. Technology - Things are changing fast. You cell phone, that most American barely understand the full capabilities of, are being upgraded every other year. Robotics are replacing workers. The American education system has failed the American people. Add to this the belief that you must go to college, not a technical school. What jobs that were available in manufacturing in the US, American workers were not educated to take. 3. Social change. It was bad enough to have a black President, that was a shock to many people's system. There entire understanding of how American really worked was threatened. Then can gay marriage, women in combat jobs and the Rangers, and the final straw was transgender bathroom rights. At this point many white, older Americans no longer recognized their country. You had people who had been told from the time they were young that America was the greatest country on earth, that their children would have a better life than they would, that this country's motto was "In God We Trust," yet we seemed to be turning our back on God, and that the minorities, who were just a drain on the country's resources, were taking over the country. Trump did not create any of that. None of that was coordinated, it just happened. But some people took advantage of it to spread fear, and the people in power, rather than explain what was happening or soften the blow by not pushing so fast for change, simply dismissed the people's concerns - told them to quit being so racist. Not a smart move.

    Regardless of Trump's Russian ties, what is going to happen in this country will be a re-balancing of power from the left to the right. How far right that re-balancing goes is hard to tell. But it would not have mattered who would have been elected. This "blow-back" was going to happen whether through the system, with Trump as President, or through violence by groups like the Oath Keepers and the III Percenters. Time will tell how far Alice goes down the rabbit hole...
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