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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    He did it!!!!!! And now America will be great again. Can't wait to see all those Hollywood a&&holes leave the country like they said they would if Trump won.


    USA USA USA USA !
    Slapout....after 50 years of defending the US from enemies near and far and participating in four wars in the name of three Presidents I am one who took the opportunity as a former highly decorated SF VN vet and applied today for German citizenship and passport which will be granted me on 4 Jan 2017....saving me future years of paying US taxes ........and providing me a healthcare system bar none.....which many in the US would envious of......

    FIVE things.....that you seriously need to understand and then reread every single word Trump has stated for the last FIVE years......

    1. once in 1973 the West Berlin German Student Leader of the Socialist East German Youth Movement in Berlin West.....told me....."you Americans will one day have fascism with a smile"....ALL via democratic methods....WELL we finally made it 53 years later BUT we made it....HE then went on and stated "if you Americans ever fixed your core three problems you would be a superpower for decades
    1.you are afraid of getting old
    2. you are afraid of losing your job
    3.you are afraid of getting old

    Recognize a lot of the complaints of those that voted for Trump in the above three items?? AND this was 53 years ago and still we have not fixed these three problems nor will Trump....

    2. Secondly, Trump has delivered AQ and IS a major narrative propaganda victory that ensures their existence for the coming years......so in FOUR years time will those that voted for Trump actually critique him for failing to defeat AQ/IS????

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    "Trump’s term may be the beginning of America’s fragmentation & its breakup”

    - Al-Qaeda celebrates #Trump victory:

    http://mme.cm/GSBW00

    3. thirdly the same exact Trump in 2012 condemned the Electoral College AND has lost the general election voting in 2016......SO in reality he only really speaks for 48.7% of those that voted.......AND the lowest Electoral College number in history.....think about that......

    4. fourthly his bashing of Muslims which are a total of 3B globally JUST reinforces the latest narrative messaging from AQ/IS........AND Trump stated he will protect Americans from IS.......so is encouraging IS "protecting the US"?

    5. did Trump ever pushback or reject all KKK comments concerning their support of Trump and their being virtually one of just a few newspapers who supported him.....not a single time.....and his last ad of the campaign was not a series of anti-Semitic dog whistles of the KKK and "alt Right"....Trump has made now the KKK and the neo right "alt right" political dialogue fashionable.....

    I am older than you are and have seen things while working summers in Louisiana and Alabama in 64 to 66..THAt you may have only seen in history books......BURNING Crosses and White Robes of the Klan....in numbers that would have surprised you every Saturday evening.

    Lastly if you paid close attention to those ever boring HS Government classes...my time at least..... the US Constitution was especially designed to prohibit one person and or one party to control everything.....

    REMEMBER what the German Communist Student Leader told me..."you Americans have a propensity to go extreme right using democracy as an excuse"....

    Trump is arrogant.....aggressive..... full of conspiracy theories WHICH he believes.... MUCH like Iraqi's do....AND driven by vengeance ........and you find that healthy for the body politic called the US????

    I have made that decision based on 70 years of being an American and defending her and in four years you might say something different ......but then you might not have the opportunity to leave....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Slapout....after 50 years of defending the US from enemies near and far and participating in four wars in that name three Presidents I am one who took the opportunity as a former highly decorated SF VN and to apply today for
    German citizenship and passport which will be granted 4 Jan 2017....saving me future years of paying US taxes ........and providing me a healthcare system bar none.....which many in the US would envious of......

    Two things.....that you seriously need to understand and then reread every single word Trump has stated for the last FIVE years......

    1. once in 1973 the West Berlin German Student Leader of the Socialist East German Youth Movement in Berlin West.....told me....."you Americans will one day have fascism with a smile"....ALL via democratic methods....WELL we finally made it 53 years later BUT we made it....

    2. Secondly, trump has delivered AQ and Is a major victory that ensures their existence for the coming years.......

    Charles Lister

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    "Trump’s term may be the beginning of America’s fragmentation & its breakup”

    - Al-Qaeda celebrates #Trump victory:

    http://mme.cm/GSBW00

    3. thirdly the same exact Trump in 2012 condemned the Electoral College AND has lost the general election voting in 2016......SO in reality he only really speaks for 48.7% of those that voted....think about......

    4. fourthly his bashing of Muslims which are a total of 3B globally JUST reinforces the latest messaging from AQ/IS........AND Trump stated he will protect Americans from IS.......so is encouraging IS "protecting the US"?
    Firstly, thank you for your service.

    Secondly, acquiring German citizenship does not preclude you from also filing US taxes with the IRS. You would have to renounce your US citizenship, which can be a costly process

    Thirdly, the United States is not Fascist because of Trump’s victory. Unfortunately, Democrats have been crying wolf about how Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr. and now Trump are all reincarnations of Hitler (“and this time we’re right”).

    Fourth, how has Trump aided Al Qaeda? He is less likely to support insurgent groups that have common ground with Al Qaeda and is less likely to overthrow governments in Muslim-majority countries than Clinton. Remember when the Kosovar Albanian mafia was transformed into “freedom fighters” by Madeleine Albright, and had to replace “Allah u Akbar” with a two-finger salute?

    Fifth, not all of the results are in (Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire) so extrapolating the final popular vote on Hillary’s ~225,000 lead is folly.

    Sixth, Islam has a problem with terrorism. While that problem is one of a radical minority against a moderate majority and is subject to greater nuance than the presidential campaign has allowed for, it is nevertheless a Muslim problem. The statistics show that Muslim supremacist terrorism is a problem and over-represented, and that Islamophobic terrorism is under-represented and therefore not nearly the same type of problem.

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    Azor......earnings are in fact double taxed between Sweden and German and now the foreign earnings exclusion is far easier to prove as it was all fully reported to the US.....giving up actual citizenship is being assisted due to a number of previous events that tangate both countries thus no cost....

    Fascism takes a number of forms.....now we have the issue that there are effectively no further checks and balances when laws are passed , and or court decisions made.....remember there is the chance that up to two Supreme Court openings will happen.....and the current SC has allowed a massive loosening of the 1964 Voting Rights Law and with the massive gerrymandering done in 31 Republican governed states voter suppression is a real thing..

    It will be the statements made by Trump during his campaign and his potential coming actions concerning "Muslims" if he follows through on what he stated...that will play well in the ME to "prove" the AQ/IS narrative....

    One vote over the other in the general election is a won general election.

    The current ongoing Islamic Reformation has roughly another 300 or so years to run as it took 1500 years for the Catholics and Protestant's to work out their differences.....

    What bothers me is the fact that those that voted for trump did not mind his not showing his tax returns....not worrying about his advisors ties to Moscow...and now the FISA search by the FBI on those advisors coupled with a server connection between Trump Tower and Alpha Bank........and no one cared about his servicing a 650M USD debt load when US banks cut him off.....on top of a rape charge hearing in Dec and his pending fraud case.....no one seemed to care.....or the high number of Russian buyers of his properties which in the UK is how Russian launder money or the ties of two of his advisors to Ukrainian black money and their former very corrupt President and who did not report to the IRS those earnings....

    A debt servicing of 650M USDs is costly these days when coming from outside the US..we still do not know if it is from Russian and or Chinese banks that is being rumored.....that provided the coverage....

    We still do not know the full story behind a top Russian mafia boss who was hiding from the FBI in one of Trumps properties.....complete with Trump office telephone and fax numbers...

    Sounds like he is just as "crooked"........

    BUT his biggest problem will be all the promises of things he will do that will in the end do him in...he simply awoke a series of expectations that he cannot fulfill inside four years and or eight years....as it flies in the face of actual business decisions that companies make everyday on where they locate and what they pay in this current global marketplace...BUT WAIT Trump is a so called businessman so he should have known that...BUT he still stated he will bring jobs and industries back to the Rust Belt......OR he will raise 1T USDs in private money for construction....SO what do the private investors get on their return and who pays it?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Slapout....after 50 years of defending the US from enemies near and far and participating in four wars in the name of three Presidents I am one who took the opportunity as a former highly decorated SF VN vet and applied today for German citizenship and passport which will be granted me on 4 Jan 2017....saving me future years of paying US taxes ........and providing me a healthcare system bar none.....which many in the US would envious of......
    Outlaw,

    I have not always agreed with you, but I am very sorry to see you go. Still, I respect your dedication to the ideals this country was founded on. Perhaps, someday you will return. Until then ...
    "I can change almost anything ... but I can't change human nature."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCurmudgeon View Post
    Outlaw,

    I have not always agreed with you, but I am very sorry to see you go. Still, I respect your dedication to the ideals this country was founded on. Perhaps, someday you will return. Until then ...
    Many thanks for the kind comments…..but maybe my disappointment with people like slapout who supported Trump is the disappointment that many Americans can no longer tell what is or is not simple common sense….

    Maybe my advantage is having actually lived….and been around real and upfront in your face historical events from two cultures and languages…..AND that I have lived…worked and partied hard in two cultures and speak three languages and the most important point…I have a passport and have travelled this globe both for the government and for myself…

    I have learned from years in Germany what is fascism and how it starts which we see again raising it’s ugly head here….and it is far more important to me to push back on that development….than worrying about a group of people who voted for a racist….sexist.... vengeance driven male who broke numerous laws along the way and who might in fact be tied deeply to Russia…

    AND this is important…..he burnt bridges inside an already divided nation which he failed to realize that by 2040 will no longer be “white” and male…….BUT WAIT that is exactly what he played to and he told those listening to him…nothing but pipe dreams as he can on the economic side not deliver on a tenth of what he said he would do.

    WHAT he has unleashed is far more dangerous that Putin…..he wants to turn back the clock to the 50s that will never return and what many do not understand….a person who has stated what he has CANNOT simply change tones…just like a tiger cannot lose his stripes…..

    Those that voted for his change and were angry about the status quo failed to realize that it was the same exact political party that has effectively blocked anything in DC for EIGTH FULL years……

    WHAT Americans have been bad about is understanding history their own and the world around them….

    Check the date of the Trump announcement to the world 9/11/38 here in Germany……..and the start to that event looks….feels ………and is exactly what Trump preaches and practices…..

    The demos that many started yesterday who voted against him under the guise of “He is not my President”……is a deep sign of what they believe he will not do …..unite instead of dividing….

    BTW…think about it…..the same security requirements for an average American to get the TS/SCI would have been denied on the actions of Trump and his finances for the last 20 years…..AND he has his finger on the nuclear button….AND we just give it to him……NO questions asked..sad really.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCurmudgeon View Post
    Outlaw,

    I have not always agreed with you, but I am very sorry to see you go. Still, I respect your dedication to the ideals this country was founded on. Perhaps, someday you will return. Until then ...
    TC.....just a side comment....there is a bitter and deep war already ongoing on the cyber side and where my company has been dealing with the dark net for over three years now and through that work I have constant contact to German and French agencies...where they have "known me " since the 80s where I interacted with them on the interrogation/CI side of the house.

    One thing those that supported Trump and YES even Trump himself forgets is that one can only work with "others" when there is a level of "trust" between the members of that group...AND the second thing is "WORDS spoken by someone in power" are taken a full and complete face value especially when coming from an American...by European leaders in general.

    My previous and current work has earned me that right of "trust" and believe me EU agencies have a hard time extending that "trust" to Americans who they believe correctly always take but never give back...

    Over the last two days there has been in my discussions with them a constant and not so subtle conversation of just how much will be shared with the US in the coming Trump years.....

    WHY...BECAUSE from a CI perspective they view Trump as being "compromised" by the Russian foreign intel service SVR....based on his years of parties and women and his known "interests"....THEY would have never missed the chance to "compromise Trump"....and hold that "compromise materials for later use"...that was how the KGB worked and the current SVR is no different believe me.....many seem to think that the Cold War ended and you can party hard with women..drugs and alcohol in Moscow as if you are in say San Francisco or Berlin on a Saturday night.....ain't so.....THEY also knew his money needs and business growth needs and that he wanted to build a Moscow Trump Tower.

    WHAT many US voters do not fully understand is that the level and intensity of Russian intel collection and activities by their FSB/SVR FAR surpasses that of the Cold War....they are aggressive and everywhere these days due to the ease of travel which was not there in the Cold War days...AND we in the US has simply "slept through this intel war" in the believe..."it ain't that bad"....

    There is now a deep "distrust" of the new US President I have never seen before in all my years of dealing with Europeans as a whole...they truly do view him as "compromised" especially when one looks at his verbal support of Putin...his business and money funding activities in Russia...his selling of expensive property to Russian oligarchs a usually money laundering method for them....and the closeness of two of his first key advisors to Russia one of which had direct and confirmed business ties to a well known Russian spy master...ALL red flags in their eyes...so why would they share information on Russian activities with the US knowing that information has the possibility of then heading on to Russia....actually agree with them...

    Trump ranted and called out...the EU trade policies...called out and critiqued NATO leaving NATO to wonder aloud if the US was a partner at all....AND ESPECIALLY called out Merkel and critiqued her openly... FOR over 18 long months.

    Today the first polling has come in from Germans and French where 2/3rds of those asked view Trump as a danger to world peace and a danger to Europe...especially a danger to Germany/Germans...

    I have never ever seen that before in my 50 odd years or so here.....

    Secondly...when the EU announced that they were thinking of redoing NATO and flipping it into a EU Army...Obama and company roundly critiqued that decision as did many US policy wonks in DC....as being reduntant aned not necessary...

    BUT this morning the EU Commission President openly stated it is time to start the process as it is apparent from Trump's FP statements he is no longer interested in nor supporting NATO and Juncker stated it is time to form a EU Army to defend both Europe and defend their foreign policies....

    WHAT Trump totally forgot BUT how could he have known as he is a construction and real estate businessman...NATO's only one time use of Article 5 signed off by all NATO members was "in the defense of the US after 9/11"....

    If one looks at the comments yesterday by the German FM....Merkel and her Vice Chancellor... I have never seen such bluntness.....

    1. You are a superpower the world's strongest on the military... economic...political and social side AND you have a responsibility to lead.... as a superpower you cannot simply retire....

    2. They openly warned between the lines that Trump must adhere to those common values that Europe thought existed between them and the US....fairness.....trust....protection of civilian liberties and basic human rights.

    3. The US will now under Trump go which ever way they want to without consulting Europe...as Trump has repeatedly stated US first and last over everything else.

    Europe critiquing the US on their need to hold to the protection of civil liberties and human rights.....strange right???

    BUT when you hear Ryan stating yesterday that Trump was given a "mandate" alarm bells ring in Berlin/Paris....as they fully know that he had the lowest Electoral College votes in decades barely over 270---276---and he did not win the popular general election voting thus he does not effectively speak for more than 49% of those who voted not 49% OUT of the entire US population.....

    The word "mandate" in European ears means your party took 60% or more on the general popular vote.....the word "mandate" that Ryan is using awakes in their minds the word....."tyranny " ........AND believe me that is exactly what Ryan meant......the 49% that voted for Trump dictating to the remaining 50% percent of the population what will be done in their name....

    Meaning Trump threatened to jail Clinton for so called corruption (after EIGHT different congressional investigations found ABSOLUTELY nothing at a cost of millions of US taxpayers money and he basically threatened to deport 11M starting after he takes office....so if he promised that to his "followers" WILL he follow through? Heck his followers wanted to kill Clinton and hang journalists....THAT tone is fascist ...plain and simple....

    Secondly will Trump eliminate "free speech" long one of the core US beliefs....WHY..... did not his followers hear him state over and over the media is corrupt....is against him...lies and.. ..and the US needs the same liable laws as the UK so the free press cannot openly critique a leader without threat of being sued....

    YES he stated it over and over BUT it appears no one listened except his followers...

    That is why I said the "US stands on the edge of a smiling and benevolent fascism"....all under the guise of democracy....ALL the elements are now in place BUT does the public see it coming....no they do not....

    WE now have a US President with absolutely no political background..........knows virtually nothing about world politics and security issues...has never served in the military..has damaged directly the US civmil relations by belittling US Generals and how they are attacking Mosul as he Trump knew how to do it better it seems.....AND repeatedly claimed the electoral process was "rigged" BUT he says he will get the best and brightest to advise him......so we no longer have a President ...we have a Presidential Council leading the US that was not elected..........

    BUT a major question that his followers DID NOT answer was......WHAT happens if in the IRS audit he is found to have via fraud directly violated tax codes and laws......do those same followers excuse his behavior because that is what business people do Or do they demand his impeachment.....
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    LASTLY will Trump park all of his businesses into a required "blind trust" what he cannot control nor can members of his family THAT all Presidents before him have done...in order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest just as he accused Clinton and the Clinton Foundation of not doing and then quoting all of the Russian controlled WikiLeaks leaked emails.????

    NO he will not....

    WHY he has repeatedly stated he does not play by the normal political rules and those rules do not apply to him WHEN he did not release his taxes as we where in theory to dumb to understand them was his response.....his followers should always remember that Trump and his son's statement....."we the people who have been filing income taxes for years"..."are to dumb to understand his"....

    European view of what he will continue to do with his businesses....

    Putin: Recognize the theft of Crimea!
    Trump: No.
    Putin: You can build a Trump Hotel next to the Kremlin
    Trump: Crimea is Russia.

    REMEMBER Trump did state that he would recognize the Russian military annexation of Crimea in one of his debates....AND he was asked that directly yesterday by one of the Russian MPs in Crimea....to do exactly that..."recognize Russia ownership of Crimea"....
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    Europe, Alone in Trump’s World by Mark Leonard via @ProSyn
    http://prosyn.org/q4iOTg7

    Popular vote:
    Hillary: 59,236,903 votes
    Donald: 59,085,787 votes
    The people elected Hillary, the system elected Donald

    FAR from being a "mandate" in the eyes of those 59,236, 903 voters....


    BBC Breaking News

    @BBCBreaking
    Donald Trump protests:

    * Demonstrations in US cities
    * Chants of 'not my president'
    * NY, Chicago, LA, Oakland

    http://bbc.in/2eEFPDc

    THIS will haunt Trump for the coming four years....meaning the verbal grave he dug between him and those that voted against him.....not to include his requesting his followers to "take care of Clinton via the 2nd Amendment" or his countless comments about Mexican rapists and Muslims...will not be so quickly forgotten IF at all for the next four years....

    White Americans have to get use to the simple fact that by 2040 "white" will be a minority and this coupled with a deep male dislike for a woman President played a far greater role in this election that what Trump followers keep claiming ..."economy and jobs"

    AT no time did Trump ever really go into his plans for the economy and or jobs other than using big words and generalities....so one would have though his followers would have demanded far more details be they votes...so in the end it was not immigration as that was the just smokescreen just as immigration and the EU was a smokescreen for the UK Brexit that was really all about the effects of globalization....
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    https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...showthread.php

    Europe, Alone in Trump’s World
    LONDON – Alone again. Since World War II’s end, Europe has looked at the world through a transatlantic lens. There have been ups and downs in the alliance with the United States, but it was a family relationship built on a sense that we would be there for each other in a crisis and that we are fundamentally like-minded.
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    Slapout...something you and many Trump supporters have largely either directly supported and or silently approved.....the fought for in 1776 for the right to vote as an American WHICH today if you are even a poor white....black...or minority YOU are still being robbed of your inherent right to participate in US elections by a very determined group of Republican politicians/Republican State Governors....far right white surpremists/nationalists ie KKK and company and outright racists...ALL fearful of power of the single ballot..AND losing their jobs....

    That is why I worked for over 50 years defending the US from enemies near and far so you and I both can vote and express our desires/ideas "freely without fear" AND I am 3000% against taking that right from others regardless of their skin color ...religious beliefs and or political leanings....AND yes even I support the right for a KKK member to vote his beliefs......even though I heartily dislike his politics....

    THAT is what makes the US so different from say Russia....which claims you also have the right to vote and to free speech...that is until you critique Putin and get FIVE years for being a terrorist......OR you are a Ukrainian living in now Russian annexed Crimea claiming your Tartar rights to vote in the Ukrainian elections....arrested and given two years of prison for even attempting to vote...

    Trump won Wisconsin by 27,000 votes. For perspective, 300,000 registered voters in WI lacked strict voter ID
    https://www.thenation.com/article/th...of-2016/?nc=1#

    EXAMPLE of a Germany "who learned the democratic process from Americans at the end of WW2".....

    Every German and I mean every German and registered foreign national with a residence visa carries a government issued bio metric ID card..AND YES even refugees carry an ID card..issued every five years.

    On election day you simply go to your local poll station show them your ID card...they compare it to the voting database list for your area where you are registered....you get a ballot and off you go.....takes usually five to seven minutes....there are no extensive requirements placed on you by the government such as in Wisconsin or North Carolina to name a few US States....you are a citizen...carry an ID card and are on the voting registry...

    IN say Wisconsin....you can only get it from a central location and have to produce some form of ID that says you live somewhere...BUT what if you are poor and have no firm location and or you do not have a mailbox address or you do not pay utilities to get a bill with your name?????

    NO one in a Germany which instituted the US democratic election processes AFTER the WAR would ever think of trying to gerrymander voting districts to favor one party or person over another...where you live is your precinct period end of story and who wins is who wins and that then demands from politicians that they maintain a regular contact to their individual precincts in order for voters to know them over the year until the next elections......that is why German politicians and their parties have offices in their voting distinct offices where anyone can walk in and ask questions or file complaints....

    Even homeless people in Germany have ID cards and can vote at a central voting area for say homeless people without a firm address....

    HOW many US voters have ever met on the street and or in the supermarket their House Representative and or Senator on a regular basis?....NEVER...

    THAT my friend is one of the inherent failures inside the current US so called democracy....that leads to widespread voter alienation and dislike for government...and politics in general.....
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