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    LASTLY will Trump park all of his businesses into a required "blind trust" what he cannot control nor can members of his family THAT all Presidents before him have done...in order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest just as he accused Clinton and the Clinton Foundation of not doing and then quoting all of the Russian controlled WikiLeaks leaked emails.????

    NO he will not....

    WHY he has repeatedly stated he does not play by the normal political rules and those rules do not apply to him WHEN he did not release his taxes as we where in theory to dumb to understand them was his response.....his followers should always remember that Trump and his son's statement....."we the people who have been filing income taxes for years"..."are to dumb to understand his"....

    European view of what he will continue to do with his businesses....

    Putin: Recognize the theft of Crimea!
    Trump: No.
    Putin: You can build a Trump Hotel next to the Kremlin
    Trump: Crimea is Russia.

    REMEMBER Trump did state that he would recognize the Russian military annexation of Crimea in one of his debates....AND he was asked that directly yesterday by one of the Russian MPs in Crimea....to do exactly that..."recognize Russia ownership of Crimea"....
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    Europe, Alone in Trump’s World by Mark Leonard via @ProSyn
    http://prosyn.org/q4iOTg7

    Popular vote:
    Hillary: 59,236,903 votes
    Donald: 59,085,787 votes
    The people elected Hillary, the system elected Donald

    FAR from being a "mandate" in the eyes of those 59,236, 903 voters....


    BBC Breaking News

    @BBCBreaking
    Donald Trump protests:

    * Demonstrations in US cities
    * Chants of 'not my president'
    * NY, Chicago, LA, Oakland

    http://bbc.in/2eEFPDc

    THIS will haunt Trump for the coming four years....meaning the verbal grave he dug between him and those that voted against him.....not to include his requesting his followers to "take care of Clinton via the 2nd Amendment" or his countless comments about Mexican rapists and Muslims...will not be so quickly forgotten IF at all for the next four years....

    White Americans have to get use to the simple fact that by 2040 "white" will be a minority and this coupled with a deep male dislike for a woman President played a far greater role in this election that what Trump followers keep claiming ..."economy and jobs"

    AT no time did Trump ever really go into his plans for the economy and or jobs other than using big words and generalities....so one would have though his followers would have demanded far more details be they votes...so in the end it was not immigration as that was the just smokescreen just as immigration and the EU was a smokescreen for the UK Brexit that was really all about the effects of globalization....
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    Europe, Alone in Trump’s World
    LONDON – Alone again. Since World War II’s end, Europe has looked at the world through a transatlantic lens. There have been ups and downs in the alliance with the United States, but it was a family relationship built on a sense that we would be there for each other in a crisis and that we are fundamentally like-minded.
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    Slapout...something you and many Trump supporters have largely either directly supported and or silently approved.....the fought for in 1776 for the right to vote as an American WHICH today if you are even a poor white....black...or minority YOU are still being robbed of your inherent right to participate in US elections by a very determined group of Republican politicians/Republican State Governors....far right white surpremists/nationalists ie KKK and company and outright racists...ALL fearful of power of the single ballot..AND losing their jobs....

    That is why I worked for over 50 years defending the US from enemies near and far so you and I both can vote and express our desires/ideas "freely without fear" AND I am 3000% against taking that right from others regardless of their skin color ...religious beliefs and or political leanings....AND yes even I support the right for a KKK member to vote his beliefs......even though I heartily dislike his politics....

    THAT is what makes the US so different from say Russia....which claims you also have the right to vote and to free speech...that is until you critique Putin and get FIVE years for being a terrorist......OR you are a Ukrainian living in now Russian annexed Crimea claiming your Tartar rights to vote in the Ukrainian elections....arrested and given two years of prison for even attempting to vote...

    Trump won Wisconsin by 27,000 votes. For perspective, 300,000 registered voters in WI lacked strict voter ID
    https://www.thenation.com/article/th...of-2016/?nc=1#

    EXAMPLE of a Germany "who learned the democratic process from Americans at the end of WW2".....

    Every German and I mean every German and registered foreign national with a residence visa carries a government issued bio metric ID card..AND YES even refugees carry an ID card..issued every five years.

    On election day you simply go to your local poll station show them your ID card...they compare it to the voting database list for your area where you are registered....you get a ballot and off you go.....takes usually five to seven minutes....there are no extensive requirements placed on you by the government such as in Wisconsin or North Carolina to name a few US States....you are a citizen...carry an ID card and are on the voting registry...

    IN say Wisconsin....you can only get it from a central location and have to produce some form of ID that says you live somewhere...BUT what if you are poor and have no firm location and or you do not have a mailbox address or you do not pay utilities to get a bill with your name?????

    NO one in a Germany which instituted the US democratic election processes AFTER the WAR would ever think of trying to gerrymander voting districts to favor one party or person over another...where you live is your precinct period end of story and who wins is who wins and that then demands from politicians that they maintain a regular contact to their individual precincts in order for voters to know them over the year until the next elections......that is why German politicians and their parties have offices in their voting distinct offices where anyone can walk in and ask questions or file complaints....

    Even homeless people in Germany have ID cards and can vote at a central voting area for say homeless people without a firm address....

    HOW many US voters have ever met on the street and or in the supermarket their House Representative and or Senator on a regular basis?....NEVER...

    THAT my friend is one of the inherent failures inside the current US so called democracy....that leads to widespread voter alienation and dislike for government...and politics in general.....
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    Trump named an honorary Russian Cossack. Those are the folks who literally whipped Pussy Riot, so a perfect fit https://themoscowtimes.com/news/trum...cossack-56070#
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    Ahem....well said.....

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    Sorkin Girls,

    Well the world changed late last night in a way I couldn’t protect us from. That’s a terrible feeling for a father. I won’t sugarcoat it—this is truly horrible. It’s hardly the first time my candidate didn’t win (in fact it’s the sixth time) but it is the first time that a thoroughly incompetent pig with dangerous ideas, a serious psychiatric disorder, no knowledge of the world and no curiosity to learn has.....

    The battle isn’t over, it’s just begun. Grandpa fought in World War II and when he came home this country handed him an opportunity to make a great life for his family. I will not hand his granddaughter a country shaped by hateful and stupid men. Your tears last night woke me up, and I’ll never go to sleep on you again.

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    TC...the US media reported just before the election about a internet server existing between the Trump Tower and the Russian Alpha Bank....it did in fact exist and is now the subject of a FISA request.

    I have been allowed to review their data and in fact the server was configured in a way to avoid monitoring..configured in ways that the SVR uses to communicate with their field agents ie spys....and virtually undetectable if one does not what to look for....

    THAT is the clue on this server..configured in ways the SVR is known to use to communicate with their overseas field agents ie spys......

    NOW go back and look at how social media attacked the report massively over three days....NOW tie in the over 1/3rd of all proTrump supporting tweets during the entire campaign as being generated by a Russian troll company sitting in Macedonia AND then tie in an unusually high number of actual fake social media news sites carrying the Trump messaging and lies...

    AND then tell me European security services are not concerned by Trump getting access to TS/SCI/GAMA intel.....AND their intel...

    Russian Foreign Ministry was in contact with Trump team during campaign - Deputy foreign minister, Sergei Ryabkovhttp://www.interfax.ru/russia/536442

    AND REMEMBER Trumps own personal statement that he and his campaign has NO ties to Russian contacts and or individuals.....
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    Slapout....

    To those who found Trump's pronouncements absurd, a key to understanding them can be found in an insight buried in an article published by the Atlantic magazine in September.

    During an interview the reporter,#Salena Zito, caught Trump out peddling a ginned-up unemployment figure. She did what good political reporters always do and called him on it with a fistful of facts.

    He responded with the blithe ease of a man who knew there was no threat for him in this moment.

    "That's interesting," he said.#That was when it dawned on her. "The press takes#him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally," she said.

    She is right. Trump made himself a populist chimera, and while the establishment bickered about what he meant, he allowed his supporters to make him anything they wanted
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    Slapout...now go back into your history books and fully understand exactly just how Hitler took over Germany in 33/34.....by the exact same methodology.....Goebbels was great at it......

    Actually all current US and European far right populist groups use the tactic....and use it well...
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    "Quite a few" members of #Trump team were in contact with #Russian officials -- Moscow.
    http://wpo.st/g6BD2

    BUT WAIT......when confronted about this during the campaign BOTH Trump and his campaign sworn there was no contact......
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    KKK announces North Carolina ‘victory’ parade http://www.newsobserver.com/news/pol...13915898.html#

    Trump's business empire poses unprecedented potential conflicts of interest http://reut.rs/2fV6Fg2

    US president does not have to put assets into blind trust & Trump says his family will manage his wealth = liable to pressure.

    Putin Press Secretary and close adviser Peskov in #NewYork.
    Hint:Not only for chess match
    #Buildingconnections w/ #PresidentElectTrump
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    I was watching Sky Europe at 0230 in the morning here in Berlin after the election and there was a US Political Science Professor and an voter analyst that at around 0430 stated that if the local voting counts came in as he was seeing them that in fact it might be possible that both Trump and Clinton tie at 269 to 269...

    The Sky moderator waved off his comments in a hurry BUT he remained leery the entire evening about the incoming numbers as being accurate....

    BUT two of the media outlets driving the early "wins for each state" were Fox and Sky...both owned by the same media owner and Conservative....

    THERE are still a large number of votes that are coming in...and absentee ballots that have not be counted as well as a lot of local recounts and military votes that have not been counted and the popular vote numbers are actually increasing non the Clinton side not the Trump side and AP has YET to call who won four major US states....

    THEN this today from AP...if actually when all the ballots are finally counted WHAT if it is actually a tie...THEN it goes to Congress which will then still vote for Trump...

    BUT then what is his and the Republican "legitimacy" to claim then to the people they have a "mandate" to do as they please???? WHEN the electoral College was a tie BUT the popular vote went the opposite direction????

    Updated#| As of Thursday, three states remain electoral toss-ups, according to Associated Press projections: New Hampshire, Michigan and Arizona. If Hillary Clinton wins the combined 31 electoral votes from those states, she will still be short of Donald Trump’s 279 votes, more than the 270 needed to win the presidency.
    However, AP analyst Michael McDonald, who teaches political science at the University of Florida and runs the United States Elections Project, an election statistics website, says he is skeptical that Trump won Wisconsin, as the AP projected. If that state flips for Clinton#and she wins the other toss-up states, she and Trump could be in a tie at 269 votes each.

    BTW...there are still countless recounts STILL ongoing that are constantly changing the final numbers and the popular vote count for Clinton has actually been climbing and Trump's as remained rather constant...
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    This was TONIGHT. And he's not campaigning, doing some schtick to rile his "base".
    This is simply who he is AND YES even his own voters stated they knew his "baggage" BUT were comfortable with it.

    Now imagine him in office.
    With the full power of state surveillance at his whim and the ability to imprison without due process.

    If perhaps you're not concerned about the rights of free assembly and expression, let's look at freedom of the press.

    During his campaign, Trump had media "blacklists" - journalists who were not allowed in his events because he didn't like their coverage.

    In other words: he refused to respect freedom of the press even as a *candidate* - which was unprecedented.

    He even called out a female journalist in front of an audience of many thousands and had the entire audience boo her. By name. In person

    What do you imagine will stop him once he's POTUS from using the powers of the state to act out on his disdain and hatred for journalists?

    AND he has voiced support for the same exact UK press liable laws to be able to sue at will any journalist article and or statements....

    One of Trump's surrogates has already admitted the campaign is keeping a "list" of "enemies"..."enemies" meaning those that did not fully and completely support Trump...

    What do you imagine will stop him once he's POTUS from using the powers of the state to act out on his disdain and hatred for journalists?

    BOTH bush Presidents saw Donald Trump and his cadre as so dangerous and extremist they disavowed them.

    What we're facing in 2017 is a perfect storm:
    1. GOP controlled House, Senate, and White House.
    2. SCOTUS openings.
    3. POTUS Trump
    4. No moral compass.

    WE have seen this already by statements of his transition team that those that did not fully support Trump will not be hired AND his denial yesterday to allow the press to follow his WH visit yesterday AS he has a distain for the WH Press Corp...THAT he has voiced over the last four years.....

    WHAT is amazing is just how fast the press and journalists have finally after a long number of years "has gone against Trump"

    WHAT TRUMP has vastly underestimated is the power of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) WHICH now he faces as a government employee....he must respond to and provide everything asked for or end up in court defending why not....and the Press has stated to dig and dig and dig in his past business deals...and his financial contacts to China and Russia...

    THIS is the real reason Clinton had her own private email server ...to sidestep FOIA....

    BTW.....Like Putin, Trump suggests protesters are being paid.
    This destruction of property and violence is what the President-elect wants to see. It will give him a reason later to crackdown and introduce federal laws against demonstrations on anything...

    One of the first symptoms of autocratic regimes is the paranoia that all protests are "professional". Good morning.

    "Trump's electorate did not take his racism/mysoginism/threats seriously, unlike us", muse soul-searching pundits. BASED ON WHAT EVIDENCE?

    IMHO the Trump supporters did fully and seriously take what Trump stated as evidence he would act on what he stated at his rallies..JUST the MSM did not....
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    Slapout.....this is just how fast a "democratic country" can in fact slide into a fascist state and in the US that slide with be with a "friendly smile" achieved under the guise of voters who thought they were democratically electing change......AND WHO in the end failed to stop smell the coffee and question truly question the comments...statements and actions of their candidate before voting......

    You did know for example that in his 30 years he has either sued and or been sued 3000 times...that is 100 per year or ONE in about EVERY THREE DAYS OR that he has rumored outstanding debt loans from Chinese Banks and Russian oligarch black monies WHICH is exactly why he did not release his taxes over the last 15 years....OR that he has right now over 75 active law cases in both federal and state courts filed against him...for rape...fraud.....and criminal racketeering corruption charges....YET Clinton was the criminal in his rallies...

    IN one active case he has yet to provide a court ordered disposition in person AS to WHY a company of his he owns DESTROYED over 4000 internal emails that pertained to the active fraud court case....WAS this exactly what he stated Clinton had done and should go to jail for.....????

    BTW the Plaintiffs lawyer claimed publicly that his lawyers argued this week in Federal Court that since he is now President the case must be dismissed...Federal Judge..."sorry occurred before becoming President so he is sorry on the hook for the charges and trial...."

    IMAGINE a sitting President just elected being hauled in front of a Federal Court for fraud and criminal racketeering charges?????

    AND YET no one cared... AND we have those that have won cases against him who had to sign non disclosure statements about their cases state his wealth is not much to begin with...YET he claims he is a billionaire....

    BUT WAIT until Trump is forced to reveal all via Freedom of Information Act requests that are being lined up to start on 20 Jan2017...then tell me his voters were right about their candidate....

    BTW..if you and or I had done all of the above we would never even get a US Government Confidential Clearance approved...they might laugh at us for even attempting to get a clearance
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    CONCUR with this as it is what I has both seen and heard in my line of work from others who handle hacking events especially from the Russian state sponsored side and what I have heard as a serious possibility being voiced by European security specialists PRIOR to the US election... as it is a serious concern for their elections as well which are IT based...

    AND if one is open minded AND understands the seriousness of the Russian state sponsored hacking attacks against the DNC and Clinton THEN that might if one took the time to analyze all election software line for command line...MIGHT explain why is it that in hardcore Democratic precincts there were larger than normal numbers of Trump votes which the Democratic Party still does not understand..

    Russian hackers entered US voting systems in summer.US hackers believe they downloaded malware to influence count

    BTW...these US hackers are the same professional IT hacking experts that first discovered and proved BEFORE the entire US IC that Russian state sponsored hackers were hard at work inside the DNC ....THAT "Trump argues was a 400lb person sitting on his bed"....
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    European officials scared they're next. Crowdstrike says DNC hackers attempted intrusions on 12 EU organizations, a few successful ones.

    New York Times Ohio election results. Votes for Trump between these 2 counties

    The numbers for MO are off and I'm not alone in thinking so. Margins were the tell. Each state should be examined

    What is it about the margin in MO that leads you to this? I see something weird 1 county in OH

    The whole thing needs investigating including colluding w/foreign govt during campaign

    BTW...when the US hacking specialist group Crowdstrike speaks about this THEN the entire Federal Security and IC community needs to stand up and show the public they are serious about defending the US from Russian cyber attacks........
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    BTW...from my company and from others I know there were a large number of highly qualified US hackers were working within DoJ and independently to monitor all electronic activity pertaining to the IT driven and based election devices...and from encrypted chatter ongoing during that time indicated strong outside activities and strange unanswered ways the software was acting and it's reported results....not across the board by scattered county by county so as to not wake up monitors....AND always in RED counties driving up the numbers and in selected BLUE counties in swing states driving down the Democratic numbers.

    ACTUALLY can and could be instantly proven if in fact the electronic tallies are officially and completely compared to the actual paper ballots....both Anonymous and Crowdstrike are of the opinion you will see the divergence....

    Memo sent 4 am Nov. 9th to top HRC advisers based on info from US hackers protecting systems from Russia:
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...520388#…

    DOJ was also being supported by the Anonymous hacking group ....who along with Crowdstrike seriously think that there is a strong chance....not chance but actual Russian malware installed in many of the electronic IT driven software packages used across the US for the election and that these software packages MUST be checked for a specific malware program...

    WHAT is now interesting is that when there is a Republican AG WILL the Republicans actually investigate these allegations or will it be leaking of those hackers involved to open up this can of worms????
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    Outlaw,

    Most of your criticism directed towards Trump is disappointingly true, but what you failed to address is we had two deeply flawed candidates, and if you think white males were the only ones who voted for Trump, you are mistaken. Setting Clinton's corruption and nasty character to the side for a moment, she still represented a system that is failing millions of Americans. There is more to being a President than foreign policy, which frankly Clinton's record in that area isn't exactly flawless.

    As for fascism, I have no idea how Trump will walk back from his rhetoric of hatred that appealed to red neck America looking for someone to blame their problems on. However, accusing Trump of leading a fascist movement totally bypasses the fascism being implemented by our left for years in the form of political corectness. Independent thinking and free speech have been suppressed for years in our universities.

    Frankly I'm glad America didn't accept the status quo. Unfortunately we only had Trump instead of a person of better character to oppose the left. The Republican Party will have to reform, or we will need a new party to represent centrist views sooner rather than later. We're in a sad place now, but this is no time to quit America, it is time to get engaged.

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    Outlaw,

    I am not oblivious to the threat. Sites like Lawfare, War on the Rocks, and even Foreign Policy have all reported on the connection It is noteworthy that the only piece of the Republican Party Platform the Trump campaign had any interest in was removing lethal aid to the Ukraine. Why would Trump care about making sure the Ukrainians did not get lethal aid?

    I fully appreciate what you are saying. I get the same vibe. But the American government is a huge bureaucracy that pretty much runs itself. Changes will not come quickly. In many cases, it will not come at all without open rebellion - the Constitution will prohibit certain actions.

    I have to wonder how long the intelligence community will put up with Trump (or the Trump team) as a Russian pawn. Things to watch early will be who ends up in his National Security Team.

    As for the real changes in the country, I am not sure if they will be a real fire of a fizzle. Trump is a symptom of what has happened in America since Nixon left office. 1. Economic - Real wages have been flat and globalization/international trade has redistributed jobs in a global market. American Trade deals did a lot to spread the wealth, but did not take into account the downside to the American worker. 2. Technology - Things are changing fast. You cell phone, that most American barely understand the full capabilities of, are being upgraded every other year. Robotics are replacing workers. The American education system has failed the American people. Add to this the belief that you must go to college, not a technical school. What jobs that were available in manufacturing in the US, American workers were not educated to take. 3. Social change. It was bad enough to have a black President, that was a shock to many people's system. There entire understanding of how American really worked was threatened. Then can gay marriage, women in combat jobs and the Rangers, and the final straw was transgender bathroom rights. At this point many white, older Americans no longer recognized their country. You had people who had been told from the time they were young that America was the greatest country on earth, that their children would have a better life than they would, that this country's motto was "In God We Trust," yet we seemed to be turning our back on God, and that the minorities, who were just a drain on the country's resources, were taking over the country. Trump did not create any of that. None of that was coordinated, it just happened. But some people took advantage of it to spread fear, and the people in power, rather than explain what was happening or soften the blow by not pushing so fast for change, simply dismissed the people's concerns - told them to quit being so racist. Not a smart move.

    Regardless of Trump's Russian ties, what is going to happen in this country will be a re-balancing of power from the left to the right. How far right that re-balancing goes is hard to tell. But it would not have mattered who would have been elected. This "blow-back" was going to happen whether through the system, with Trump as President, or through violence by groups like the Oath Keepers and the III Percenters. Time will tell how far Alice goes down the rabbit hole...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    Outlaw,

    Most of your criticism directed towards Trump is disappointingly true, but what you failed to address is we had two deeply flawed candidates, and if you think white males were the only ones who voted for Trump, you are mistaken. Setting Clinton's corruption and nasty character to the side for a moment, she still represented a system that is failing millions of Americans. There is more to being a President than foreign policy, which frankly Clinton's record in that area isn't exactly flawless.

    As for fascism, I have no idea how Trump will walk back from his rhetoric of hatred that appealed to red neck America looking for someone to blame their problems on. However, accusing Trump of leading a fascist movement totally bypasses the fascism being implemented by our left for years in the form of political corectness. Independent thinking and free speech have been suppressed for years in our universities.

    Frankly I'm glad America didn't accept the status quo. Unfortunately we only had Trump instead of a person of better character to oppose the left. The Republican Party will have to reform, or we will need a new party to represent centrist views sooner rather than later. We're in a sad place now, but this is no time to quit America, it is time to get engaged.
    TC...but here is the problem...we are now in the 21st century and 54% of the entire voting/registered American electorate are in fact women who earn what percentage less than men these days and who under Trump are poised to lose even more of their basic rights.....that most of the women in Europe take for granted......

    Secondly there is no left in the US unless you count Sanders who is a Democratic Socialist....you are right there is a difference in internal and external US policies BUT being the 21st century both are actually intertwined to say the least...you cannot throw tons of money into the market place trying to create jobs without overheating the bond market which is international and with it's lower to no interest rates US has virtually had no cost for the government to borrow even more money.....and thus driving a higher currency value.

    What passes for left is in fact liberalism based on US standards and what passes for a liberal in Europe...which might in fact be a moderate conservative in the US....

    You cannot expand trade unless the US currency remains stable..and inflation will inherently make the dollar sounder thus exports more expensive thus loss of US jobs if US products get to expensive for the global markets..we already see the dollar climbing against the Euro BUT that only makes the dollar based US exports even more expensive....

    EXAMPLE....a standard package of Oreo Red Velvet imported cookies is now 14 Euros...up from 11.50 Euros....as of yesterday a 3.50 change in less than one week

    In a world where ethnic minorities are climbing number wise in the US and with a strong American black population the signal sent to the world that a black man could become President and or that a woman could become President is a strong signal that many in the US overlook today...the world would have viewed that as a strong signal concerning the internal civic health of the US...ANd what about the signal to US women and young girls that they can in fact climb the ladder and be just as successful at everything men do??

    Regardless of what one thinks ....the US is a superpower...and you cannot simply "retire" and pull back to the borders facing the Atlantic and the Pacific...when it suits internal politics..WE did that twice and got both WW1 and WW2....

    I know that the voting groups for Trump were across the board poor, middle income and yes even the wealthy voted for him BUt hear is my beef....

    IF you are mad at the system....change the local first as the local has always been the closest to you then change the state level and then finally DC...

    BUT does anyone seriously think you can change American top down??? I do not.

    BUT my compliant is that if you voted for Trump I truly believe those that did vote were listening to the "narrative he was speaking' and that narrative was taken seriously and not taken as "just some casual rhetoric"....AND if you voted for someone that had heavy baggage as Trump does with 75 pending court cases and his lawyers today trying to get his fraud and racketeering cast delayed until after he is in office....simply because then he does not have to testify and end of fraud case....THEN you have a serious thought problem...

    One cannot complain down the road when in the name of the voter Trump really goes off the rails and hits us in an authoritarian way and then his voters sit back and say..this is not what I voted for....

    Reference Clinton....I am so tried of the Clinton bashing as I have been voting in every Presidential election since 1964 and after just how many investigations and no charges...how much longer does one need to see that there was never anything there...a total ton of smoke but never a single fire...

    There is an old language learning tactic that says repeat the foreign word seven times and it will lock it into the brain...AND propaganda is no different...repeat the propaganda narrative seven times and it will stick in the upper brain area and hear it seven times more and you fully believe it to be true...even in the face of real evidence that it is fake...

    Russian propaganda works on the 6Ds principle...distort...demiss/deflect...dismay..distract. all designed to create doubt and distrust...

    NOW go back to the countless Trump statements made at his rallies and the very few interviews/debates and tell me just how many Ds were at work????

    Trump dislikes no actually hates the media..that is way he held no press conference for over 110 days as he is bad at it.....and why he had no press on his plane....

    WHAT he has truly failed to realize that makes the media even more aggressive and they were not in this election cycle...and now they will dig using FOIA....

    So we have a future President that has over 75 court cased filed against him...we can prove countless lies stated by him....we know his heartfelt opinion of women and minorities especially Muslims...we know from his various business court cases and his multiple number of bankruptcies that he is not the super businessman he claims to be and we know he had deep ties to Russian officials which both he and his campaign denied publicly twice in six months YET Russian officials fully admitted yesterday they were in fact ongoing and constant...AND we do not know just how he is servicing a 650M debt

    YET those that voted for him now argue "hey Clinton was worse"....come on TC ...think....seriously think it through....

    On top of that we still have four states that are not truly counted and declared for either party...there are growing questions in Wisconsin and a serious charge of election result changes via Russian malware as well as confirmed Russian hacking before the election and during the election...AND the general vote of Clinton is climbing pass 60M and rising....while Trump's remains caught and stable at around the low 59M or so

    AND Trump voters have no qualms about that?????
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 11-11-2016 at 01:27 PM.

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