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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor.....reference the Buzzfeed article...this is exactly how HUMINT works
    Here's the overview: nr, date, pages, sources, title—& a quick-and-dirty credibility assessment. Pointers to errors, suggestions appreciated
    Yet the contents of this spreadsheet would have to be incorrect, or else they would aid the Kremlin in uncovering the sources.

    If the Russians can hack the DNC and C-SPAN, they can certainly hack Steele's communications.

    You're really trying to sell the hooker with the heart of gold.

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    Via Twitter a recommendation from The Spectator's Editor, Fraser Nelson, to read:
    This, from Paul Wood, is the best analysis you'll read on the Trump/Russia imbroglio
    Link to article:http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01...ian-influence/
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Via Twitter a recommendation from The Spectator's Editor, Fraser Nelson, to read:

    Link to article:http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01...ian-influence/
    Paul Wood worked with Chris Steele, and has been ardently defending him.

    Curiously, this elaborate plot to insert a Russian agent into the White House has only truly come to light after the election and now seems to be an open secret, with active and retired spies throughout the West and many Russian businessmen being aware. This is in spite of the direction of the operation from Putin's very office, bypassing the SVR and GU.

    Mark Galeotti claimed that Putin desired a weakened Hillary Clinton to be elected. Now that Trump was elected in a major upset, he finds his legitimacy damaged prior to his inauguration, and again, Russia is the source. The Russians certainly have enough agents throughout the Baltics to corroborate this tale, and since when have the British not been on the losing side of the HUMINT game with the Russians?

    Blinded by partisanship, Americans might not want to believe that Putin was going to sabotage whoever was president-elect.

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    Here is now Trump's problem.......

    1. he has been largely delegitimized by the whole discussion around the Russian hacking that he largely still does not really accept as it does not fit the world he has created for himself

    2. he truly does not understand foreign policy and or international trade all the while claiming he is this great businessman and has over 500 companies globally

    4. his cabinet picks even reflect this

    5. he feels that he can personally negotiate anything with anybody

    6. his extremely close Russian finance ties are now out there regardless of whether one voted for him or not

    7. his sex comments from 2005 are still out there and his own AG stated they were equal to sexual assault

    AND now the Buzzfeed raw intel reports which are now being slowly seen to be more than accurate....even the sex tape/tapes are open for debate...

    WHEN one sees this interview you see that Trump wants to fight IS with Russia BUT really fails to admit that they have largely not done that in Syria where that would have been a great test of true Russian intentions ie fighting IS.

    AND he does not talk about eastern Ukraine and Crimea which are the reasons for the US sanctions outside of the hacking side....

    He talks about Chinese currency manipulations WHICH most economists know does not longer exist as an issue.......

    He simply is truly uninformed on just about anything.....


    NEW YORK—President-elect Donald Trump suggested he would be open to lifting sanctions on Russia and wasn’t committed to a long-standing agreement with China over Taiwan, two signs that he would use what leverage was available to realigning the U.S.’s relationship with its two biggest global strategic rivals.

    In an hourlong interview, Mr. Trump said he would keep intact sanctions against Russia imposed by the Obama administration “at least for a period of time.” He also said he wouldn’t commit to America’s longstanding agreement with China over Taiwan until he sees what he considers progress from Beijing in its currency and trade practices.

    “If you get along and if Russia is really helping us, why would anybody have sanctions if somebody’s doing some really great things?”

    The desire to change relations between Washington and Moscow has been a goal of several presidents since tensions began rising under President Vladimir Putin’s leadership. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sought the same goal early in the Obama administration, as did President George W. Bush, who met Mr. Putin early in his first term.

    But Mr. Trump’s diplomatic efforts will have to compete with those in Congress, including many Republicans, who want to see the administration take a tough line with Russia after U.S. intelligence concluded that the government of Mr. Putin sought to influence the November presidential election with a campaign of cyberhacking.

    Additionally, an unsubstantiated dossier of political opposition research suggesting ties between Mr. Trump and Russia was published this past week—drawing condemnation from Mr. Trump and his team but keeping Russian espionage in the spotlight. The allegations haven’t been validated by the U.S. intelligence agencies.

    Mr. Trump in the interview suggested he might do away with the Russian sanctions—imposed by the president in late December in response to Moscow’s alleged cyberattacks—if the nation proves helpful in battling terrorists and reaching other goals important to the U.S. The president-elect said he is prepared to meet with Mr. Putin some time after he is sworn in.

    “I understand that they would like to meet, and that’s absolutely fine with me,” he said.

    On China, asked if he supported the “One China” policy on Taiwan that has underpinned U.S. relations with Beijing for decades, Mr. Trump said: “Everything is under negotiation including One China.”

    China has considered Taiwan a breakaway province since Chiang Kai-shek’s Nationalists set up a government there in 1949, after years of civil war. Washington’s agreement to rescind diplomatic recognition of the government in Taiwan and uphold a One China policy was a precondition for the re-establishment of diplomatic relations between U.S. and China in 1979. Any suggestion in the past that the U.S. may change its stance has been met with alarm in Beijing.

    Though he has long been critical of China, Mr. Trump also made a point of showing a holiday greeting card he received from China’s leader, Xi Jinping.

    “I have a beautiful card from the chairman,” he said.

    Mr. Trump seemed impatient with diplomatic protocols involving China and Taiwan. After his victory he took a congratulatory phone call from Taiwan’s leader, triggering objections from Beijing and stoking concerns among some U.S. foreign policy expert who questioned whether he understood the implications of such a conversation.

    Speaking of Taiwan, he said: “We sold them $2 billion of military equipment last year. We can sell them $2 billion of the latest and greatest military equipment but we’re not allowed to accept a phone call. First of all it would have been very rude not to accept the phone call.”

    Mr. Trump has said in the past he would label China a currency manipulator after he takes office. In the interview, he said he wouldn’t take that step on his first day in the White House. “I would talk to them first,” he said.
    He added: “Certainly they are manipulators. But I’m not looking to do that.”
    But he made plain his displeasure with China’s currency practices. “Instead of saying, ‘We’re devaluating our currency,’ they say, “Oh, our currency is dropping.’ It’s not dropping. They’re doing it on purpose.

    “Our companies can’t compete with them now because our currency is strong and it’s killing us.”

    The interview came at the end of the week in which Mr. Trump saw much of his national-security team get closer to their appointments but had to push back against the Russia allegations and against criticism from ethics experts of his plan to maintain ownership of his business interests.

    Six of his cabinet choices had confirmation hearings, and a number look likely to sail through. Many Democrats offered eager support for his pick for defense secretary, retired Gen. James Mattis.

    Mr. Trump also brought his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, on as a senior White House adviser, although the appointment could be challenged under antinepotism laws. And he got closer to fulfilling a campaign promise as the Senate and then the House took procedural steps that begin rolling back or repealing the Affordable Care Act.

    “He got elected as a fighter and he’s going to be president as a fighter,” said Ed Brookover, a former Trump campaign adviser. He added that Mr. Trump “is going to be a very active president and push a lot of buttons along the way.”

    At a jam-packed news conference on Wednesday#morning, Mr. Trump was both combative and flattering, shouting down one journalist but praising news outlets who he said covered him fairly. During the session, he accused intelligence agencies of allowing the dossier information to be leaked, and on Twitter he said they were employing the tactics of Nazi Germany. James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, said he doesn’t believe intelligence officials leaked the information.

    Amid a flurry of questions about the dossier, Mr. Trump avoided most direct answers and made just one admission. For the first time, he said he agrees that Russia was behind the cyberattack on the Democratic National Committee and a top aide to campaign rival Mrs. Clinton during the election.

    He also tossed in the announcement of his pick to lead the Department of Veterans Affairs, said he would sign executive orders beginning on#Jan. 23, and promised to begin negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies to drive costs down.

    Questions about his refusal to divest himself of business holdings lingered, though. A few hours after his press conference, U.S. Office of Government Ethics Director Walter Shaub criticized Mr. Trump’s new business arrangement, saying his actions were insufficient to remove potential conflicts.

    “Every president in modern times has taken the strong medicine of divestiture,” Mr. Shaub said. “Officials in an administration need their president to show that ethics matter, not only through words but through deeds. This is vitally important if we’re going to have any kind of ethics program.”

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    Ex-MI6 agent's frustration as FBI sat on Trump file for months

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a7526901.html#
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    Azor....as someone who has worked the dark side and HUMINT/HUMINTER sides Steele was sitting on solid reporting sources and that for a long while if he was pointing to this already...

    You can literally build as HUMINT timeline and tie it directly to Trump actions....

    NOW the actual question is WHY did the FBI not respond.....exactly the question the DOJ Inspector General is asking actually AND Trump cannot block the DoJ IG investigation......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Yet the contents of this spreadsheet would have to be incorrect, or else they would aid the Kremlin in uncovering the sources.

    If the Russians can hack the DNC and C-SPAN, they can certainly hack Steele's communications.

    You're really trying to sell the hooker with the heart of gold.
    They already have and I posted it...the "died of a heart" attack retired FSB general .......the Russian handling of this "death" is the key...local Moscow newspapers reported he had been killed ...THEN a long time later...corrected to read "died of a heart attack".....

    This was caught the attention of a UK based Russian speaking journalist based in Moscow who pays close attention to such items....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    You know that I have difficulty responding to posts spread out over two pages of a thread, especially on a mobile…



    You know perfectly well that from 1992 on, NATO’s military and intelligence machine was hollowed out in order to save money and reallocate resources to more pressing issues. Steele arrived in Moscow at the very end of the Cold War. He was late to the party. During the chaos of Russia in the 1990s where everything and everyone was for sale, what good was an SIS officer posing as a FCO diplomat?

    He was certainly useful in the UK handling walk-ins such as Litvinenko, but he was one of a surge of intelligence officers who went into the private sector following the end of the Cold War. Perhaps if he had learned Arabic and Urdu and clung on for a few more years, he would still be with SIS and would be a true spy. According to a Bloomberg article, Steele’s colleagues have a mixed opinion of him and don’t regard Orbis as a “Merc” by any measure.

    I suggest you reread my remarks on Steele from earlier in the thread, which you have not responded to: http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...&postcount=386



    The UK was home to many dissidents and defectors from Putin’s Russia who never failed to remind the world how Putin was subverting Russia’s nascent democracy and becoming a tyrant. Yet few cared to listen because Russia was no longer regarded as a major threat as it was during the Cold War.



    Then how did he make it this far? A “vast right-wing conspiracy”? Collusion between the FBI and the Kremlin?



    Given the policies followed by Andropov, Chernenko and especially Gorbachev, Putin’s role would have been more to report on the StaSi using deadly force against the demonstrators than on helping suppress the opposition. East Berlin was Stalinist as far as Moscow was concerned, and Gorby was worried that the regime wouldn't go quietly into the night...



    A Hungarian “model” claims this? From Europe’s former prostitution capital where women are part-time pornographic actresses for extra cash? Even if it was true, so?



    Then you are contradicting the content of the Dossier itself. Supposedly this intelligence operation that began 5-8 years ago and which is so sensitive to be directed personally by Putin and his key aides rather than the usual organizational channels, was revealed to various Russian businessmen, perhaps over 100 as you suggest. Why would Putin confide in them and why would they confide in Steele?

    Unfortunately, this Dossier reads like a salacious story fabricated by someone with knowledge of post-Soviet Russia but who needs to write in order to put steaks in the freezer. Oddly enough, Steele reminds me of Manafort, except with a bit more dignity...
    Azor...oh where to start.......you have been reading to many spy novels....

    1. the key to Steele and his abilities is who he handled as a field agent....and that is massive if you understand the individual poisoned on Putin's orders

    2. while the Su collapsed what did not collapse was the KGB/GRU/SVR...they still maintained they "sword and shield of the Party" attitudes...

    3. you have to separate the sex from the rest of the 17 reports and the rest is the critical point....WHY....IMHO you cannot even begin to blackmail Trump with sex...sex tapes and or 500 women all claiming sexual assault...we saw just how elegant he moved around the 2005 video footage and then the outcry....he has built this image around sex and YES even his very own voters will tell you it is not an issue for them as he is this great businessman and sometimes they bend the rules/laws....that is why he cannot be blackmailed just with sex...BUT his financial empire built on Russian money is a totally different ballgame...

    4. BUT tying him to Russian black money and or that his so called slef made great empire was on the back of money laundering WELL that is a totally different subject matter for Trump and he will fight like crazy to protect that image...WHICH BTW he is doing very well on...

    EVER notice just how the subject of the Buzzfeed was taken off the news cycle....first the Steep tweets....then the LL Bean tweets....then the attack on the FBI and again Clinton and then his "people will address the hacking not saying that he really distrusts the IC hacking report AND on and on and on...Suddenly the 24 hr news cycle is off the of the Buzzfeed reports is it not?????

    EG......Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 20h
    20 hours ago

    What are Hillary Clinton's people complaining about with respect to the F.B.I. Based on the information they had she should never.....

    Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 20h
    20 hours ago

    Totally made up facts by sleazebag political operatives, both Democrats and Republicans - FAKE NEWS! Russia says nothing exists. Probably...

    Want me to keep going.....?

    Trump Shows How to Smother a Scandal: With a Bigger Story
    https://nyti.ms/2jzIBwe#
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    Rep. Dana Rohrabacher defends Putin, suggests lawmakers like Rubio are ‘warmongers’

    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01...e-warmongers/#

    Azor..this proRussian US Congressman has received large lobbying monies just before his reelection and he gets a lot of lobbying money for so called talking circuit speeches......all form the same lobbying firm hired by Russian oligarchs to funnel money into US to support a better Ukraine image for Russia....

    Check the posted comments on his statements on the Ukraine thread from 2015...it is all there.....

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    Taibbi: If Israel gets to hear why they think Trump is compromised, how is the American public not also so entitled?
    http://rol.st/2cNXkn

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Here is now Trump's problem.......

    1. he has been largely delegitimized by the whole discussion around the Russian hacking that he largely still does not really accept as it does not fit the world he has created for himself

    2. he truly does not understand foreign policy and or international trade all the while claiming he is this great businessman and has over 500 companies globally

    4. his cabinet picks even reflect this

    5. he feels that he can personally negotiate anything with anybody

    6. his extremely close Russian finance ties are now out there regardless of whether one voted for him or not

    7. his sex comments from 2005 are still out there and his own AG stated they were equal to sexual assault

    AND now the Buzzfeed raw intel reports which are now being slowly seen to be more than accurate....even the sex tape/tapes are open for debate...

    WHEN one sees this interview you see that Trump wants to fight IS with Russia BUT really fails to admit that they have largely not done that in Syria where that would have been a great test of true Russian intentions ie fighting IS.

    AND he does not talk about eastern Ukraine and Crimea which are the reasons for the US sanctions outside of the hacking side....

    He talks about Chinese currency manipulations WHICH most economists know does not longer exist as an issue.......

    He simply is truly uninformed on just about anything.....
    Azor...take the posted Trump interview AND THEN compare it to this article by a Harvard type who supported at first Trump....

    SERIUOSLY read the article....well worth it.....

    Trump Doesn’t Know What He Doesn’t Know About #Foreign #Policy He says right one but always does the wrong one.
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/08/...reign-policy/#

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    IF Trump still does not buy in to the US IC report on US hacking operations THEN just how does he handle this.....??????

    Putin’s DNC Hackers Actively Targeting French Elections:http://www.defenseone.com/technology...ref=d-mostread
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    Fittingly, a memorial to 1989, a piece of the Berlin Wall, was vandalized by Trump supporters.
    http://m.chron.com/news/education/ar...witter-mobile#
    … via @houstonchron

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    Azor.....a career intelligence officer who has worked with JSOC and he is contacting on his own the Russian Embassy...knowling full well all comms to the Embassy are monitored is either fully crazy and or is disregarding basic security protocols....

    REMEMBER the story of his Pakistan leaking episode costing the lives of three US soldiers one a COL is not widely distributed inside the US...BUT is inside intel circles....

    AND this is the man that ranted "lock her up" at the Republican convention.....

    US official says Flynn and Russian envoy have been in very frequent contact, both around sanctions and other times.
    https://apnews.com/ba462d64c12d4692b8381cb7076d34ab#
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    Azor...just a side comment ......

    You get more thoroughly background checked for a cashier position at Target than for the Presidency of the United States


    Trump BTW with his SEVEN bankruptcies....lack of US bank creditability...his countless federal count cases involving twice racketeering... and his money laundering fines would have never gotten a US TS/SCI clearance in the "normal world".....BUT a loophole in the law states that Presidents and presidential candidates do not have to have a security clearance check.....

    Close the loop hole BUT WAIT the Republicans are in power thus that will never happen will it...
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    Ted Lieu ‏@tedlieu Jan 12
    I read the highly classified Intelligence Report on #Russian #hacking. @realDonaldTrump is not telling the truth.
    https://lieu.house.gov/media-center/...n-hacking-us#…

    BUT since the entire US general public is not aware of what is in it..Trump can argue anything he wants to and get away with it as the MSM cannot challenge him on it....

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    Dmitry Robyolovlev in $95M Trump deal not to be confused with Dmitry Firtash, whose $ Manafort was laundering

    Trump's son made *6 trips in 18 months* to Russia before 2008–then a Russian oligarch showers Trump with $95M

    On Nov 3, 5 days before the election, Trump holds a rally in Concord, NC.
    Rybolovlev's private jet lands in Concorde as well.
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    Same day Rosneft CoS (ex-KGB General and close Putin friend) found dead in his car in Moscow, NATO's terrorist financing/money laundering czar also found dead in his car.

    "Heart attack" in the back seat of his own car????
    Less than two weeks later, Dec 26, Sechin's chief of staff was found dead in the back of his car
    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/top-...-moscow-56649#

    Azor...remember the Buzzfeed comments on Page and Rosneft percentages....

    REMEMBER Moscow police first reported he had been killed and then change a few days later that to "heart attack"...THIS is how Moscow police rate the ruling of "heart attack".....

    When an American was murdered in a bloody bathtub, Moscow, police pointed to the autopsy, said he had a heart condition
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    Azor...as always in HUMINT and Steele is no different "follow the money".....now tell me Steele was "wrong in his HUMINT reports"....he was as the Brits say..."spot on"....

    NO wonder he truly doubted the FBI when he was providing this much detail......

    Source close to Rosneft President Sechin in Steele memos: Carter Page & Trump assocs stand to get ~$11bn if follow-thru lifting RU sanctions

    That was in a memo dated October 18. On December 7th, Russia sold an 19.5% stake in Rosneft.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...illion#…

    Glencore and Qatar fund were fronts. Deal financed by the Russian Central Bank.

    It’s a highly leveraged deal where Glencore is paying only €350M and Qatar allegedly €2.5B. Most of the deal is financed by Italian Intesa.

    NOW jump back to the Trump casino empire WHICH was also heavily leveraged thus he lost massively...a MINUS 89% when compared to the rest of the industry BUT when they went into bankruptcy Trump walked with MILLIONS.....AND Russia money was also involved in that empire......

    On Dec 7, Rosneft sells corp bonds to Russian banks, raising… $10B.
    The only way Russian banks strapped for liquidity can pay so much is by borrowing from Central Bank.

    A similar precedent happened in 2014, when Rus Central Bank took Rosneft bonds as collateral, and gave banks money to buy them.

    On Jan 10, ownership of 19.5% shares of Rosneft is transferred to a Singaporean company QHG Shares Pte Ltd.
    http://www.rbc.ru/business/10/01/201...78c0d2#…

    There is Russian nesting doll of shell companies that own it, as depicted here:

    NOW the core question is....WHO CONTROLS this particular doll...some say Putin......
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor...as always in HUMINT and Steele is no different "follow the money".....now tell me Steele was "wrong in his HUMINT reports"....he was as the Brits say..."spot on"....

    NO wonder he truly doubted the FBI when he was providing this much detail......

    Source close to Rosneft President Sechin in Steele memos: Carter Page & Trump assocs stand to get ~$11bn if follow-thru lifting RU sanctions

    That was in a memo dated October 18. On December 7th, Russia sold an 19.5% stake in Rosneft.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...r-11-billion#…

    Glencore and Qatar fund were fronts. Deal financed by the Russian Central Bank.

    It’s a highly leveraged deal where Glencore is paying only €350M and Qatar allegedly €2.5B. Most of the deal is financed by Italian Intesa.

    NOW jump back to the Trump casino empire WHICH was also heavily leveraged thus he lost massively...a MINUS 89% when compared to the rest of the industry BUT when they went into bankruptcy Trump walked with MILLIONS.....AND Russia money was also involved in that empire......

    On Dec 7, Rosneft sells corp bonds to Russian banks, raising… $10B.
    The only way Russian banks strapped for liquidity can pay so much is by borrowing from Central Bank.

    A similar precedent happened in 2014, when Rus Central Bank took Rosneft bonds as collateral, and gave banks money to buy them.

    On Jan 10, ownership of 19.5% shares of Rosneft is transferred to a Singaporean company QHG Shares Pte Ltd.
    http://www.rbc.ru/business/10/01/201...47c61978c0d2#…

    There is Russian nesting doll of shell companies that own it, as depicted here:

    NOW the core question is....WHO CONTROLS this particular doll...some say Putin......
    Azor...NOW tell me the Trump interview yesterday and his comments concerning the lifting of sanctions DOES NOT tie into the above??????

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