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    Outlaw,

    You challenged Slap to respond to your critique of Trump, which is fair enough, but I challenge you to defend America's critique of Clinton. Trump and Clinton are both deeply flawed. People voted for Trump for three reasons, first many people wanted change. Second, others held their nose and voted against Clinton, and finally on a much smaller scale those you are raving against for being haters and simpletons. Either candidate swearing in as our President will be a sad day for country in my opinion when we have so many exceptional people in our country that the parties and mainstream media sidelined.

    I take issue with your comments on black and women because they are divisive. You are implying, much like MSM did, that you can't vote Republican if you respect equality. While the Republican party does need to wake up the demographic trends you pointed out, the division between the parties should be how they will govern America, while race and gender equality should be assumed. Both parties sadly exploit these fissures, which further promotes divides within America that should not exist. There are many women and minorities who voted Republican because they believe in their economic policies, and they also believe in equality. The opposite is also true, there are many white males who voted Democrat because they believe in their economic policies. We'll become our ideal selves as a nation when gender and race are longer the topics of debate, because they shouldn't be the issue to begin with if we live by our alleged values.

    As to your points about our economy being interwoven with the global economy. You're right, but that doesn't mean people won't vote for their interests locally. Hard to explain to the people in Detroit and other cities that you lost your jobs and ability to support your families due to globalization and there is nothing we can do about it. Further complicating the issue is the fact that we are at a significant inflection point with our economic system. Not only the impacts of modern globalization (especially the impact on financial systems), but the increasing impact of technology automating what was formally done by human workers. For the first time in history we are at point where the new technology revolution will result in less versus more jobs. Technology revolutions always led to social disruptions as people societies adapted to the economic order, this one may prove to be especially challenging. We need leaders with a vision that will guide America into this new economic order as smoothly as possible. I'm not convinced we have them yet. It is past time to sop over the election results. Now is the time to pull together and solve our problems. No quitting!
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    My...my.. a tad to late for buyers remorse it seems...

    "Hope he's not so bad" continues a mitigating reinterpretation of Trump backers demanded during campaign despite his clear+odious language.

    Trump Shows Every Sign of Carrying Out Sweeping Immigration Crackdown http://bloom.bg/2eGhpcm#

    To media who played along with Trump to satisfy their audience needs & pretended he was credible--hope you are doing serious introspection.

    Facebook must own up to its role in spreading toxic misinformation & chaos that got Trump elected
    https://interc.pt/2fFBHY4#

    The full story: 4.3M ballots uncounted in CA right now, likely that number grows in days to come...

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    Yes, Trump victory is abhorrent and traumatic for Russian-Jewish immigrants. It's just too reminiscent of a world we thought we left behind.

    Media must call out PROPAGANDISTS as Remnick does: Trump campaign, Bannon/alt-right press, won w/lies and PROPAGANDAhttp://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...-trump#…
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    The Kremlin says Trump's foreign policy approach is 'phenomenally close' to Putin's:
    http://reut.rs/2foEbaj

    Khodorkovsky Center @mbk_center
    So what's going to happen when the tycoon finally gets to meet the tsar?
    http://www.khodorkovsky.com/the-art-of-the-deal/#
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Slapout...you started this thread and yet fail to respond to the accusations that Trump has far more legal and financial baggage that that "crook Clinton"....


    Yes, I started it. I intended to have a discussion about Trump's policy's relative to the future of the country. Then you went into some type incomprehensible rant about what you think you know about me and the Civil Rights movement. And then went off with your democratic talking points that ended with you saying you have become a German citizen???

    Anyone who would do that after an election and with the supposed Special Forces back round you have has some issues. Take a break and get some help.

    All the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    Yes, I started it. I intended to have a discussion about Trump's policy's relative to the future of the country. Then you went into some type incomprehensible rant about what you think you know about me and the Civil Rights movement. And then went off with your democratic talking points that ended with you saying you have become a German citizen???

    Anyone who would do that after an election and with the supposed Special Forces back round you have has some issues. Take a break and get some help.

    All the best.
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    I agree with you on this one, another thread taken over by a hundred meaningless twitter posts, and no space allowed for debate. While he challenged you to respond to his excessive number of posts, he hasn't responded to the criticism of Clinton. This thread is almost effectively dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    I agree with you on this one, another thread taken over by a hundred meaningless twitter posts, and no space allowed for debate. While he challenged you to respond to his excessive number of posts, he hasn't responded to the criticism of Clinton. This thread is almost effectively dead.
    This thread isn't about Clinton. That subject was closed by the election. The subject is President Elect Trump. So let's here what you, or anyone else, has to say.
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    Here is a place to start:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...492_story.html

    He is just like every other politician. Now that he is in office, the truth will start to come out. The reality is that he can't do most of what he claimed without assuming powers that the President doesn't have. So now the truth comes out.
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    Disagree, outlaw made assertions about why people voted for Trump. In many, if not most cases, it was due to he was running against, not because they embraced Trump; therefore, she is relevant.

    Regarding Trump, I think he will hit a steep learning curve, and rapidly try to walk away from many of his campaign promises that we're little more than fantasies. If he attempts to befriend Putin, he will lose the respect of the national security establishment and Congress. Domestically, if he starts going after illegals in a way that isn't legal or against the values most Americans embrace he'll build a wall between Congress and the White House. Then so much for making a deal. So he'll either disappoint his true supporters, or isolate himself from those necessary to advance his agenda. There will be rough spots, but our check and balance system will moderate them. It remains possible that he will actually be a decent President, the jury is still out. At this point neither the prosecutor or the defense have a case, so all we can really discuss with any degree of fact is why people voted for him.

    The social movement in many parts of the world that brought us Brexit and Trump in broad terms is due to a backlash against globalization and the new economic order. A condition very relevant to the SWJ community for what it portends.
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    Bill....if you recall a number of my comments pertaining to Trump well before the actual election I was seriously warning of his lies and deceptions and his model that he was pushing which is neo nationalistic built on a healthy dose of racism driven by the KKK and the alt Right ....AND the 270 armed militias.

    For concrete proof for what I just said check Trump's very last campaign ad and then count ...yes literally count the number of anti Semitic dog whistles being blared at his followers.....AND YES I use the term fellow travelers very accurately here....

    I reside in the land of the living history of a man called Hitler who used a weak and splintered democracy to move his agenda forward USING the same exact dog whistles that Trump and company have used....SO I saw long before many saw in the US just where he was heading and tried to warn.

    OUR democracy is a shell of what it use to be....WHY

    26.6% of those that voted voted for Clinton
    26.4% of those that voted voted for Trump
    Actually the Clinton general election votes are still steadily climbing

    BUT here is the kicker....over 49% of those that could have DID NOT VOTE

    So in effect we now have a minority elected President and a minority splintered Republican Party claiming a MANDATE to rule the majority of the rest of the country.....THAT is a plan that goes over with them like a lead balloon.....look at the term "legitimacy".....and tell me Trump has "legitimacy" to represent the majority of Americans who actually did not vote for him......

    We have a minority who voted for Trump trying to turn back the historical clock to a "better time"....WHEN both you and I from a vast amount of experience simply knows that will never work...WHY because we are educated...maybe speak a foreign language ...have travelled this world of ours...have fought and lost close friends in the name of defending this country and on and on......

    WHY do you now think we are having the pop up demos across the country as the minority that won the election vote feel robbed....and I predict this movement will both grow and get more radical if in fact Trump follows through....there is actually a great resemblance of the peaceful start of Syrian demos and the reaction of Assad against them we are seeing ever so subtly develop out of this election.

    WHAT those Trumpers do not fully understand yet is that their great leader STATED 141 times 141 different comments to them at rallies on 23 different topics......

    THINK about that for a moment....WHY did he do that....BECAUSE now he can do what he wants and then claim that is exactly what he stated he was going to do....does one see yet a well planned demagogue hard at work...

    WHAT concerns me is the following...

    Trump if one has followed him over the years was basically for years a Democrat in belief and statements.....

    BUT then suddenly he appears in the birther movement well actually he drove the birther movement only appearing lately to back away from his statements WHICH he really did not...he just wanted black votes...

    WHAT I love about social media is the ability to pull back the past and relook at what individuals posted and then did...and there is much on Trump if the US MSM had taken the time to research and fact find.....

    CHECK his tweets and statements stating with the 2012 reelection of Obama....especially when he gets on a particular twitter rant....he voiced hatred for the electoral college...hatred for the election process and between the lines he fully indicates that he a full blown racist at heart...BUT that never came up in the US MSM ....

    Simply but Trump is a racist...a bigot...a sexual predator who used and abuses his power over women and people and he is at heart a deeply committed con artist who has floated a ponzi scheme called property management....WITH currently 630M USDs of debt that has to be serviced yearly and that debt burden is climbing not sinking...SO will he put his businesses health before the Republic's health if a FP decision damages his personal investments?

    IT is a Ponzi scheme when one goes bankrupt six times.....no wonder the US banks have refused to deal with him ...BUT again never fully explored by MSM during the election was it???

    NOW we have a new President that evidently very quickly settled a fraud and racketeering federal court case so he would not have to personally testify personally in a court of law arguing up to Thursday that as President elect he did not have "time to testify"....THAT is his "respect for the rule of law" full in your face and the Trumpers who voted for him fully understood that...

    NOW we have a new President that instead of truly placing his businesses into a true blind trust which means management by a outside company not picked by him and overseen by a not picked by him law firm WE get his definition of a blind trust...."my family is going to run it".....

    NOW convince me his sons and daughter will not utter...speak...write a single word about his businesses inside that blind trust....to him over dinner??

    WHAT concerns me far more that his sex problems or his financial problems is his inherent and slowly coming out deep ties to Russian money and oligarchs and yes Putin is a 40B USD oligarch...and Trump is in constant need of cash for his business empire....

    WHAT concerns me is that server that was in the Trump Tower which conversed daily to someone in the Alpha Bank in Moscow AND that apparently was ongoing over months....what concerns me is the blatant lie by both his campaign management AND Trump himself TWICE inside four months...."we do not have ties to anything Russian and or Russians"...

    The configuration of that server parallels exactly what the Russian SVR does to ensure confidential comms over the internet for their recruited agents and deep covers AND that was alluded to by some very serious internet geeks....

    THEN one day after the election Russian officials under approval from Moscow openly crow about their constant ties during the election to Trump..well maybe a little MSM interest and Putin's personal spokesperson wants to fly immediately to NYC...before any other western leader visits him....come on people wake up and smell the roses....

    As someone who thoroughly understand Stasi and KGB recruitment tactics find me someone inside the current US IC CI community that does not honestly feel with the track record of Trump in sex.... drugs..soft porn videos... and rock and roll the SVR did not attempt to either directly recruit him and or has compromising material on him....IMHO it is a given....

    The Founding Fathers were inherently fearful of the "masses" thus we have the Electoral College that Trump hated in 2012 but loves now....what you say we have a SC...sorry it will be a 5/4 court and evidently a 6/4 right wing court for literally years to come even if the Republicans loss at some point .....you say we have the various splits inside the RP in Congress that will balance...him...We have 38 State Governors controlling 38 Red States with massive gerrymandering programs and some very slick voter suppression programs in place.....BTW all out so called "checks and balances are based on "traditions" not the rule of law if one paid close attention in the HS Civics class.

    SO I see no checks and balances as you do...WHICH is exactly what Hitler had going forward in 33...

    You say we have the great FBI to keep corruption out of the political marketplace BUT that same RP controlled FBI leaked very badly on Clinton and somehow missed all the proRussian adivsors around Trump...Manafort...Page.... and to a degree Woolsely....who never fired a single person inside the CIA for their failure to detect Ames and then he suddenly quit when there were demands to dig deeper inside the CIA as some stated there were more Ames in play as there always is just as we are seeing now inside the NSA.....

    Taken all together....if you...I or anyone else that posted on SWJ had committed over 30 years what Trump has done and proven he has done we would never seen a single security clearance in our lifetimes...

    Here is the kicker..if one has been to Moscow and has done business with foreign nationals THAT is reason alone to go far deeper into his history of those travels and contacts AND if there is suspicion on the Adjudicator's part about possible "influence" THAT alone is enough to deny a clearance these days after Snowdon...

    As a former strategic debriefer/interrogator with over 17 years of field experience in Europe I learned to pay extreme attention to how someone uses words...the words themselves down to the reflextion in the use of those words....now you fully understand why I was warning on SWJ....

    Trump is racist end of story....Trump has been compromised by Russia....and Trump is a ponzi scheme con artist who only cares about himself end of story....

    How many Trump voters have seen in their lifetimes the Hitler execution chambers here in Berlin...the mass execution/concentration sites for Jews here in Germany and the Czech Republic and how many have seen the Saddam execution chambers...

    I have and I hate them.....I have close Jewish (Israeli/Russian) friends here in Berlin that are telling me they see the second coming...of a new democratically elected by US citizens of a second Hitler....

    I have seen the polling of the young German and French (20-35) who by a margin of 2/3rds stated openly Trump is a threat to world peace and world stability...NEVER have I ever seen that before on a US President...yes they laughed about our Cowboy President but in the end they respected him ...BUT this time there is something far different in play....they now basically inside one election results openly distrust the US....

    I have never seen a German sitting government basically warn the US to follow the principles of the rule of law and good governance to protect civil and human rights...that coming from Europeans.....
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    Bill...this is what I mean those that voted for Trump did not stop to count the number of times he changed his narrative EXACTLY 141 times on 23 topics...THEY HEARD the underlying narrative and took it seriously.....whereas most of the MSM took what he was saying "literally"....not "seriously".....it was the dog whistles that his supporters/followers fully understood.....

    In the world of Orwell he wrote a lot about the concept of "doublespeak" in fascism and I am afraid many Americans simply do not understand that concept....
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    Someone recently asked me to build a number of indicators that could/would indicate Trump is in "bed with Russia" ie under their "influence"...

    I was up to five or six.........number SEVEN.......came fast and quick.....

    Dizzy with success: Putin spokesman suggests Trump scale back NATO deployments to foster ties w Kremlin. #Baltics
    http://bigstory.ap.org/295849a11d584a

    IMHO.....hate to be in the current shoes of the "grey beards" in the US CI community.......THIS is a nightmare.....HOW do you reject a security clearance for the President of the US??????

    A challenge to any reader here at SWJ who cares about CI....show me I am wrong on my assumptions......

    HERE is an additional problem...if someone is in fact rejected from a clearance and or renewal of a clearance and has a good lawyer...they could in effect argue that Trump got his in spite of massive issues and actually win in court....the clearance community is setting a precedence for years to come...and that in the face of the Snowden affair where we know he was recruited by the SVR...
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    Perilous beyond words: Russian govt contacts w/Trump campaign is a "monumental story" demands investigating before swearing in...some outsiders seem to know what is happening before the voters of Trump know it....

    Breitbart's expanding. Lotsa $$ in selling fear, hate, lies to delegitimize Obama & Clinton. Trump adviser Flynn spreads the same propaganda

    While the media licks its wounds & soothes us with kinder gentler Trump, where the hell is the story of Wikileaks & Russia who helped him??
    "So we're just going to forget WikiLeaks and Russia helped Trump?"
    http://hill.cm/xGlKia5
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    Why isn't this thundering thru the news cycle? Why aren't 100s of natl-security reporters all over it??
    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...mp-campaign/#… @ESQPolitics

    Maybe it's because I grew up at the tail end of the McCarthy Era and in the heart of the Cold War, and maybe because I spent 13 awful days in 1962 waiting for the missiles to fly, and maybe it's because I believe that, Tsarist or Communist or Kleptocracy, Russia behaves in pretty much the same way, but I honestly believe that this should be the only story dominating the news right now.

    At least, I think it warrants as much space in our various media as was devoted to the BREAKING NEWS about what John Podesta had for lunch last year.

    Per The Washington Post:
    The statement came from Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov, who said in an interview with the state-run Interfax news agency that "there were contacts" with the Trump team. "Obviously, we know most of the people from his entourage," Ryabkov said. "We have just begun to consider ways of building dialogue with the future Donald Trump administration and channels we will be using for those purposes," Ryabkov was quoted as saying. Ryabkov provided no further details, and his remarks drew a swift denial from Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks, who said the campaign had "no contact with Russian officials" before Tuesday's election.

    Why in Christ's sweet name isn't this thundering through the news cycle right now? Why aren't hundreds of national-security reporters all over it? We have elected a guy who may well have traded what little integrity he has to a vicious autocrat and his thieves-in-law.

    (Note to anyone who takes exception: This is not "red-baiting" because these crooks are not Red.) We know he can't get a loan from most American banks, so he has to go overseas for a lot of his financing. What banks is he tied into, and are any of those banks tied into the Russian government? Whom does he owe and how much does he owe them? And how do they plan to collect?

    This is a monumental story, and it deserves a full airing before we swear this guy in. And it's only part of the unprecedented tangle of shadowy business dealings that will follow him into office. The president-elect also is the defendant in 75 different lawsuits of assorted kinds. He plans to put his assets into a "blind trust" that will be overseen by…his children. I know a lot of people are charmed by his reluctance to abide by traditional political norms and customs, but this is far beyond that. This is a guy toting a huge amount of baggage into the Oval Office and each piece of it contains a ticking time-bomb.

    The Russian business is perilous beyond words. But you can sense even now that our Fourth Estate is pushing it ever so gently in the direction of the same memory hole down which went Nixon's treasonous behavior as regards the Paris Peace Talks and the possibility that the Reagan campaign monkeywrenched the release of the hostages in Iran in 1980. The way this works is that the elite political media decides something is so unthinkable that the children—that's the rest of us—are too delicate to handle it.
    Well, kids, the unthinkable already has happened. You might as well cover it as fully as possible

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    Democracy, complacency, Trumpistan: The Unthinkable Becomes Normal, Authoritarian GOP won't stop it http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...are-di#…

    America is not Ukraine, tho Putin's working on it: "Eerie Parallels Between US Election And Downfall of Ukraine"
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsate.../#1f30742003ce

    For Putin, Trump is not an end in himself but a means to weaken the US and the#West
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/11/1...and-the-west/#
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    I agree with you on this one, another thread taken over by a hundred meaningless twitter posts, and no space allowed for debate. While he challenged you to respond to his excessive number of posts, he hasn't responded to the criticism of Clinton. This thread is almost effectively dead.
    Love it when people fail to remember the endless and countless so called investigations that were to reveal just how corrupt the Clintons were and are suppose to be.....DO I seriously need to repeat all of them in a very long list to readers such as Bill and Slapout...since the 90s...WHAT is that 20 or so odd years an still counting....AND over what 14 different investigations.....

    AND remember their close personal friend who was an advisor who committed suicide....do I need to respinn what was spun by the Republicans for three long years when the DC Police had long before declared it a suicide due to personal reasons....AND lo an behold it came up again via Trump and company.....

    Some complain that Bill got a massive speakers fee in the 100s of thousands of dollars...BUT WAIT it went into the Foundation and was IRS declared and taxed as earned income....BUT WHEN all politicians and ex Presidents hit the speakers and lobbyist circuit earning also hundreds of thousands of dollars WE declare BUT hey they earned it....BUT WAIT do we question currently the outside earnings of our own House Reps and Senators..THAT occur every single day of the year........NO...

    BUT at the end of the day AFTER all those countless and endless investigations driven primarily by Republicans WHERE any charges ever filed against either of them......

    Oh...and that Whitewater land deal mess the Republicans screamed about for years.....never a single charge and in the end it actually had been handled correctly.....confirmed if one took the time to read the IRS findings to be completely and truly "legal"....

    Oh......and that so called pay for play accusations against Clinton for the Clinton Foundation donations in exchange for favors by the then DoS Clinton....AND pounded by Trump in each of his rallies as "that corruption swamp of the Clintons...hang her...arrest her...throw her in jail".....

    WILL highly recommend you both go back to the WikiLeaks email dumps which actually when one excludes the fake Russian placed emails CLEARLY states she definitely separated office and play......BUT hey you both overlooked that tad bit of information in all the WikiLeaks chatter.

    BTW...this is the same WikiLeaks that we now know was feed those hacked emails by the Russian state sponsored hacking groups...AND we know that the Russian propaganda media released a statement that Wikileaks released BUT TWO DAYS before Wikileaks released the same exact press release...strange is it not that the Russian government could read the computer of WikiLeaks and knew in advance what was to be released word for word....

    Nothing like actually ignoring WikiLeaks inadvertently supporting Clinton with in those emails....

    HER use of a private email server...WELL three other DoS's in the last 30 years DID the same exact thing.....BUT that never seemed to get through the chatter...

    AND THOSE TWO MILLION emails deleted from all of the Bush computers WHERE NOT A VIOLATION of federal law...AND not pursued by the incoming Obama........AND those 4000 Trump company emails deleted THAT the federal court told Trump to not delete as they were evidence in a fraud case...one should never thrown stones at a glass house as they can come back at you....NOTICE Trump was not called "a scheming crook trying to hide damming evidence from a federal court" was he?
    Come on guys we complained about Bill's sexual adventures in the WH BUT YET WHEN we have the next President claiming he grabs women by their "pu...ies" WE declare that what "locker room talk" ....but consenting sexual encounters between two adults we seem to have problems with these days VS sexual assaults as defined by law by the now new President....

    WHEN 12 and still counting women over a period of 20 years come forward and state he treated them exactly as his videos indicates...we call them lairs and Trump wants to sue them.....WHEN he comes into the WH with 72 pending state and federal court cases we call him a great businessman....WHEN he has had a total of SIX bankruptcies and has to service monthly a debt load of 650M USDs we call him a REALLY GREAT businessman.....

    WHEN a sitting Republican Representative cheers the fact he got the security funding for the Benghzi Consulate cut months before the attack as a sign of Republican success against the then DoS Clinton and then later American personnel get killed...."IT was the fault of that corrupt Clinton".....AND WE ignore the Reps comments and actions that contributed directly to their deaths....AND we ignore DoD held back a DELTA team that was waiting on the tarmac because DoD could not get their act in order to respond to the WH.......

    WHEN you critique me be ready to respond to facts line by line....

    SO when we accept in the realm of public debate statements by the now new President ..."she is a crook...needs to be in jail...I will jail her when I take over...she sold out the DoS for money....."

    We are suppose to what accept that as the new standard of political discourse....????

    I chose a new nationality simply because I feel that both Trump and the current Republican Party no longer represent the values that I felt for years the US represented and with my wounds and spilled blood for this country in 18 long months of pure combat and in serving in two other wars I have long ago earned the right to be critical...far more critical than say a Slapout that accepts what he apparently "hears" to be the gospel and truth...

    BTW Slapout I was not a supporter of the VN far from it but when my country asked me...well maybe ordered me to VN.....I went and did my best and lost a lot of close friends along the way.....which you have never experienced.

    So I have the inherent right to critisize when I think the US is headed the wrong way....

    Slapout and Bill...the floor is open for debate....now prove me wrong...

    Listening......

    BTW....here is the inherent kicker now...IF you really look at the email issue with Clinton....WHEN you are in public service even as a First Lady you are inherently open to FOIA requests...and both Clintons have been literally hounded by FOIAs for 20 years....BUT a private personal server does not fall under FOIA....

    NOW that Trump is a government paid employee HE is fully liable now to fulfill ALL FOIAs coming into his office....there are hundreds now lining up to file FOIAs on every single aspect of his business and personal life....he will shortly learn what the Clintons have felt like living under FOIA.

    QUESTION is...is that private server sitting in his Trump Tower used for months for direct conversation with someone in the Russian Alpha Bank located in the heart of Moscow going to be declared "private"...BTW the server was scrubbed clean and reconfigured after it become known that it was chatting with Russia....


    AND this does not worry the both of you...it does me?

    BTW...one could argue that Clinton have gotten the same punishment as did General Petraeus who also got caught with classified materials....BIG difference though...Petraeus "parked classified" information in a email draft and parked it in his email draft box for his girlfriend a journalist to log into his account and then read the draft email....that is a deliberate and clear violation of security regs....and the method used to transfer that info was a deliberate attempt to hide that he knew what he was doing....end of story...
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    American true democracy hard at work in the strangest of places...sparked by the election of Trump.......

    Today over 3000 US citizens....ex pats....US students studying for 300 Euros a semester on four major Berlin Universities to include THREE I met that were studying medicine and three studying international law also at that 300 Euros per semester...so basically free.AND all with 100% healthcare costing 30 Euros a month a student rate.....HS students from the JFK International School.......kids whose parents were working inside the Embassy.......a lot of US business people.... men and women who work in US based international trading and service companies here in Berlin....and a lot of military retirees.....

    WHO all voted BTW.....

    ALL demonstrating in front of the US Embassy next to the world famous Brandenburger Tor

    AGAINST Trump and his views on Europe and the role women play in the US society and the protection of minorities something Germans as a whole feel strongly about since over 20M Germans were refugees at the end of the war and or ethnically cleansed from Poland and the Czech Republic....and yes US citizens also know German history when it comes to refugees....

    SO when Trump critiqued Merkel and Germany he hit a super raw nerve with Germans....which did not go down well....even with the common German on the streets
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    Default Outlaw 09 Please turn off your computer! Go outside!

    How many Trump voters have seen in their lifetimes the Hitler execution chambers here in Berlin...the mass execution/concentration sites for Jews here in Germany and the Czech Republic and how many have seen the Saddam execution chambers...

    I have and I hate them.....I have close Jewish (Israeli/Russian) friends here in Berlin that are telling me they see the second coming...of a new democratically elected by US citizens of a second Hitler....

    Only one problem with 2nd Hitler/Trump
    Ivanka Trump was raised Presbyterian BUT CONVERTED TO JUDAISM IN 2009 to marry husband Jared Kushner.

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/us-election...ual-first-lady
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