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    Interestingly enough Trumps own pick for FBI Director and his law firm represent "blacklisted" Rosneft....the Russian oil company mentioned in the Steel Dossier..

    Small world...BTW...when one sees "state owned" you are talking about a company that answers to Putin and does what Putin suggests they do....

    THIS is exactly why it is an interesting choice by Trump for FBI Director....

    The chart views below show the December 2016 Rosneft 19.5% privatization deal with Glencore and the Qatar Investment Authority. Scroll down to see a detailed chart showing the complex overlapping financial and political connections related directly and indirectly to the December transaction.
    https://medium.com/@wsiegelman/rosne...rt-559ac95ae7f

    SOURCE DATA USED FOR THE CHART (info in chart as of May 2017)
    Rosneft Shareholder Structure
    Rosneft Board of Directors
    QHG Holding LLP — #OC414947 — filings and significant persons data
    QHG Investment LLP — # OC414949 — filings and significant persons data
    QHG Trading LLP — # OC414946 — filings and significant persons data
    QHG Trading Rosneft deal for up to 55 million tons of oil
    QHG Oil Ventures Pte Ltd, formerly QHG Shares Pte Ltd, Catalpo Pte Ltd (Singapore Govt Biz site, enter name to search for name history)
    VTB loan of 692 billion rubles to QHG Shares Limited
    QHG Investments owns QHG Shares
    Intesa Sanpaolo May 25 2017 debt syndication of 5.2 billion Euros
    Reported 50/50 joint venture between Qatar and Glencore (including 300 million Euros from Glencore, 2.5 billion Euros from Qatar, 5.2 billion Euros from Intesa loan, and 2.2 billion Euros source unknown)
    VTB and Rosneftegaz Bridge loans
    Russian Order of Friendship awards for Qatar, Glencore, Intesa heads
    RUSAL Shareholder Structure — including 8.75% ownership by Glencore controlled Amokenga Holdings and SUAL Partners
    SUAL Partners Vekselberg and Blavatnik
    RUSAL Board of Directors — including Glencore’s CEO Ivan Glasenberg, Rosneft Chairman Matthias Warnig
    Glencore Chairman Hayward Advisory Board for L1 Energy, part of LetterOne
    Richard Burt Advisor to the Board of LetterOne
    Intesa 350 Mil Euro Gazprom loan
    Intesa 750 Mil Euro Yamal LNG loan
    Yamal LNG $27 billion project
    Rosneft ENI partnership extended by Putin and Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni
    2012 $500 billion Exxon Rosneft agreement
    2011 Exxon Rosneft Arctic agreement
    Exxon Qatar Golden Pass LNG partnership
    Qatar Airways Trump Tower tenant
    Qatar (QIA) and Tom Barrack Miramax purchase and other business deals
    Blackstone connection to deal through Walkers and QHG Cayman Ltd
    Blackstone majority holding in Intertrust
    Intertrust acquisition of Walkers
    Blackstone $376 million co-financing loan for Kushner’s Watchtower building
    Steven Schwarzman on Board of Russian Direct Investment Fund
    Rosneft loan to Venezuela PDVSA (owner of Citgo) — default would transfer ownership to Rosneft
    Rosneft bid to purchase India’s Essar Oil
    Fridman, Blavatnik, Vekselberg, Khan $28 billion sale of BNP-TK to Rosneft
    Rosneft former client of Bracewell & Giuliani
    Bank of Cyprus — Wilbur Ross Vice Chairman, Viktor Vekselberg largest shareholder
    Paul Manafort and Oleg Deripaska business deals
    Carter Page July 2016 New Economic School visit and alleged meeting with Igor Sechin
    This Reuters chart provided information used in the basic chart. Ownership, company names, and other data was updated and expanded based on Companies House filings and other sources noted above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Interestingly enough Trumps own pick for FBI Director and his law firm represent "blacklisted" Rosneft....the Russian oil company mentioned in the Steel Dossier..

    Small world...BTW...when one sees "state owned" you are talking about a company that answers to Putin and does what Putin suggests they do....
    Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. - Napoleon Bonaparte




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    JUST IN from @OversightDems: Attorney General #Sessions Declines to Testify Before Oversight Committee on Withholding Documents.

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    Trump fans/pro-Trump media are falsely claiming that "not feeling pressured" = "Trump didn't ask me to influence probe."

    The story is false. Neither DNI Coats nor NSA Dir Rogers would say whether Trump asked them to influence probe

    BTW...zerohedge.com is a massive alt right ie white nationalist blogsite that tries to act like an official news site...Trump follows it often....

    To be clear, Coats & Rogers are refusing to answer unclassified questions in an unclassified hearing to protect President Trump politically.

    "There has to be one element of this Govt people look at as not politically motivated" -Manchin pressing for answers on POTUS conversations

    Rubio asked the right question: have you ever been asked to interfere?

    Rubio: "Asked not pressured". Neither Coats or Rogers answer

    Coats says won't answer in public forum but would answer to special counsel.
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    Fmr. DNI Clapper: "Ever transactional, [Trump] simply asked me to publicly refute the infamous dossier, which I could not and would not do"

    Former US intelligence chief: Watergate pales in comparison to Russia probe
    http://cnn.it/2r5mQI2
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    Breaking: Comey to testify he never told Trump he was not under FBI investigation

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    Hearing Nightmare For Trump: Top Officials Won't Answer If They Were Asked To Intervene On Russia
    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/07/hea

    Senator Warner: You said didn't feel pressure but wouldn't share content of conversation.
    The President isn't above the law.
    Aren't you concerned?

    Remarkable moment: GOP Chmn Burr scolds intel chiefs for coming before Cmte without an answer on POTUS conversations re Russia probe
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    BREAKING: Turkey's parliament approves troops deployment to Qatar.
    Turkish parliament approves the deployment of 5000 troops to Qatar

    Lets REMEMBER Trumps own tweets on this topic....

    Donald J. Trump‏
    #@realDonaldTrump Jun 6

    During my recent trip to the Middle East I stated that there can no longer be funding of Radical Ideology. Leaders pointed to Qatar - look!

    So good to see the Saudi Arabia visit with the King and 50 countries already paying off. They said they would take a hard line on funding...


    JUST IN: Iran's revolutionary guards say Saudi Arabia was behind deadly attacks in Tehran - statement

    WILL KSA now annex Qatar?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Interestingly enough Trumps own pick for FBI Director and his law firm represent "blacklisted" Rosneft....the Russian oil company mentioned in the Steel Dossier..

    Small world...BTW...when one sees "state owned" you are talking about a company that answers to Putin and does what Putin suggests they do....

    THIS is exactly why it is an interesting choice by Trump for FBI Director....

    The chart views below show the December 2016 Rosneft 19.5% privatization deal with Glencore and the Qatar Investment Authority. Scroll down to see a detailed chart showing the complex overlapping financial and political connections related directly and indirectly to the December transaction.
    https://medium.com/@wsiegelman/rosne...rt-559ac95ae7f
    WHY was this individual picked by Trump?????

    Wray was Chris Christie's personal attorney. Christie was a vocal Trump campaign surrogate. The FBI is investigating the Trump campaign.

    Wray works at Washington law firm King & Spalding alongside Bobby Burchfield, the "independent ethics adviser" for Trump's private business
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    Azor...check this out...Trump is overly concerned with Russian "hookers"....

    James Comey's prepared testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee:
    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...ey-060817.pdf#

    READ it thoroughly and then tell me Trump is not obstructing a FBI investigation into his Russian connections...

    Seems Comey is confirming what's been rumored--that Flynn lied to fed investigators when confronted w Kislyak call.

    A day after Trump told Comey "I have been very loyal to you," Trump publicly said it wasn't too late to fire him

    Trump tells @MariaBartiromo "it's not too late" to ask FBI Director Comey to step down, also says he has confidence in Comey
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    RE: North Carolina

    I am not sure what you are referring to: Cooper v. Harris (2017), Shaw v. Reno (1993) or the invalidated state congressional election case that the SCOTUS declined to hear. Nor do I understand how NC state law can be applied to invalidate a federal presidential election.

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    ...suggest you use the following concept when posting your views of being a proTrumper [sic]...
    I suggest you review the concept of ad hominem when engaging in debates.

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
    Until you complete this exercise what you write is a waste of time....and it is a waste of time for me to respond to you...
    You do realize that every time you cannot refute my arguments or adequately prove your own, you demand that I “go back and read” or “complete this exercise”, right?

    RE: Russian Influence Operations

    Firstly, Russia is not the only beast in the woods. There are a number of foreign powers vying to influence U.S. policy, whether by lobbying elected representatives and appointed officials, indirectly financing election campaigns or by appealing directly to the electorate. For instance, do you not find it curious that candidates for president must commit verbally to defending Israel, as opposed to any other U.S. allies, or that Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. military aid? Do you not find it curious that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, the UAE, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco were never included in travel restrictions implemented by the Obama or Trump administrations?

    Secondly, for technical reasons, it is highly unlikely that Russian agents were able to tamper with election results or do so in a way that impacted the outcome of the election. Your unsourced and anecdotal quote is rather unconvincing in this regard, given the technical difficulties, and again you are by default calling into question the outcome of every election since 2000, including that of Obama, who was notably more dovish on Russia than opponents McCain and Romney.

    Thirdly, the only means of technically combating propaganda today, including disinformation, would be censorship of the internet. The true solutions are instilling knowledge and critical thinking.

    Fourth, I concur with Mark Galeotti, that the ideal electoral outcome for Russia would be a Clinton presidency that was weakened by wide mistrust and under siege by the Republican Party. Clinton was and is a known quantity to the Kremlin, which wanted to restrict her ability to act on foreign policy rather than to replace her with an unknown quantity: Trump.

    As far as WikiLeaks is concerned, its activities were timed to help Sanders more than Trump, even if Trump was the ultimate beneficiary. I also agree with Janis Berzins, that the rise of populism in the West – led by Farage, Wilders, Le Pen, Trump et al – was neither a creation of nor dependent upon Russian support.

    Lastly, there is a difference between Putin denouncing NATO as an offensive and aggressive military coalition led by an imperialist United States, on the one hand, and Trump criticizing NATO members’ free ridership and failure to uphold commitments to collective security, on the other.

    If you believe that…

    • Germany’s hollow Bundeswehr
    • The <2% of GDP military spending of Latvia, with its large ethnic/dual-citizen Russian minority
    • The <2% of GDP military spending of Canada, Denmark and Norway, with possible Arctic sovereignty disputes with Russia
    • Reducing NATO’s conventional deterrent
    • Increasing the probability of NATO being forced to deter Russian aggression with nuclear weaponry
    • Not criticizing any of these worrying trends


    …makes the Trans-Atlantic Alliance stronger, then I don’t know what to say to you.

    RE: Quid Pro Quo

    If Trump is indeed a Russian agent, whether due to kompromat or other inducements, what has Russia gained since his inauguration?

    • Non-U.S. NATO members are discussing strengthening their military capabilities with the most urgency since the end of the Cold War
    • Russia is now perceived as the greatest threat to the United States and the Trans-Atlantic Alliance, rather than China or Muslim supremacist terrorism
    • The White House and Congress are aligned on increasing U.S. military spending
    • U.S.-Russian arms control agreements are in question in the U.S. for the first time since the end of the Cold War, and Russia cannot afford an arms race
    • U.S. sanctions on Russia remain in force
    • Popular support for NATO among its member state populations has reversed its decades-long decline
    • Russia has been proven to be impotent in Syria with regard to protecting pro-Assad forces (three airstrikes), and pro-Assad social media commentators are referring to Russia as either weak or in league with the United States
    • The GCC has become both more coordinated and forceful, heading off Iranian and Russian feelers (e.g. to Egypt)


    The one country benefiting from all of this, is of course, China. Perhaps they “hacked the election”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor...check this out...Trump is overly concerned with Russian "hookers"....

    James Comey's prepared testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee:
    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...ey-060817.pdf#
    Trump denied interacting with Russian prostitutes some 3 weeks after the Steele Dossier was leaked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    RE: North Carolina

    I am not sure what you are referring to: Cooper v. Harris (2017), Shaw v. Reno (1993) or the invalidated state congressional election case that the SCOTUS declined to hear. Nor do I understand how NC state law can be applied to invalidate a federal presidential election.
    1. Since there is no adequate Federal case law to redo an invalid federal election SC must revert to State case law...yes they returned it to the Federal Appeals Court BUT read the suggested resolution.....one on that list was a proposed new election

    2. Trump is not "an agent"...he is "an agent of influence"......check the difference in terms in the IC world....

    2. NOW explain this if you think it is in fact the Chinese or "others"

    Former Farage aide gave US information in plea deal, court files show
    Files do not spell out nature of information George Cottrell handed federal agents after his arrest on money-laundering charges....

    He pointed the money laundering straight at the Trump campaign....

    Not a single Chinese or 400lb kid on a bed to be seen anywhere....IF you really read the Comey statement I believe you will "hear" in this case read that the FBI opened an investigation on Trump between 3.20 and 3.30.2017.....
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    Chris Christie just told @NicolleDWallace that Trump's attempts to undermine the FBI's independence are just "normal New York City talk."

    SO the obstruction of justice is just "normal NYC Trump trash talk?????

    NYC is the new locker room????

    SO we hear the same lame excuse given by Trump supporters THAT they gave to the Trump sex videos before the election..."that is just what boys do in the locker room among themselves"....

    Sound similar????

    AND a street comment from NYC.....Well Trump is in construction and we in NY all know. You can't pour an ounce of cement unless mafia gives ok to work. Trump ran his businesses like the mafia and it extends into govt. NATO becomes protection racket. Employees take loyalty oaths. GOP omerta.

    MORE NYC street comments yesterday.....
    Comey: He's guilty
    Democrats: He's guilty
    Trump: I'm guilty
    Republicans: We may never get to the bottom of this


    US Attorney SDNY‏
    Verified account
    #@SDNYnews
    33 members of Russian OC org, including ‘vor’ of enterprise, charged w/racketeering, extortion, robbery, murder4hire
    http://go.usa.gov/xNmRh
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    I am posting this here because there are a few on social media that are focusing on misuse of social media for propaganda and influence operations that equals work done by professional IT analysis companies AND only those that work with government agencies....

    I finished downloading a larger /r/The_Donald dataset. Here's a link for any who are interested in such things.
    https://makeadverbsgreatagain.us/rtd...20170530.zip#…
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    NOW this is where the social media analysis starts to get extremely interesting....

    This contains data going back to the beginning of /r/The_Donald, total of 2,526,692 comments from 80,708 threads.

    (It's still just a slice of the full content, but that would have taken weeks to download.)

    It'll be a while before I have all of it, but this graph does a decent job of highlighting the major topics of discussion the last 3 months.

    The vocabulary of /r/The_Donald users has changed over time - alt-right jargon has increased in frequency, for example.

    This figure shows overall activity. It's what you'd expect - 24/7, but substantially lower activity when people in the USA are asleep.
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    The time pattern is similar if we only include posts that contain the word "Hillary".

    I looked at the timing patterns for other popular terms (in over 9000 posts in my dataset = "popular"). Here's "wall".

    "Russia", "globalist", "Trump", and "cuck" show a similar pattern. Nothing special.

    So do "Podesta" and "WikiLeaks". Oh, wait. I lied. Something's different here.
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    Here's all nine plots side by side for comparison. "WikiLeaks" and "Podesta" show an odd burst of morning activity which the others lack.

    Here is the theory let me see if it holds....

    Timing. Wikileaks links are being placed on /r/The_Donald at the beginning of the US work day for folks to read while slacking off at work.

    I kind of wanted to find another suspicious thing, so I started looking at the users linking Wikileaks and I found another suspicious thing.

    Meet "Bad_Harambe", although you probably don't want to. They posted this gem a few months back:
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    B_H (+others) later buried the link with a flurry of spam. Would take a while for anyone manually reading their post history to find

    NOTE...this is a deliberate attempt to mask their conversations and a mark of those that know how to avoid surveillance....

    NOTICE Twitter feature that allows one to tell if one is being monitored....Twitter does not tell you about this feature does it????

    "Quit Snooping through my comment history"
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    NOW the analysis shifts gears....

    I took a brief look at what major news sites are being linked to from /r/The_Donald, because it's a Tuesday in June 6.2.2017

    The top five in the dataset I'm using were Breitbart, CNN, Fox News, RT (Russia Today), and Washington Post.

    Here's a chart showing the relative share of these five sites. RT(dot)com is the largest, beating out Breitbart by a decent margin.

    Volume by week going back to the inception of /r/The_Donald. RT has consistently been the top news source there all along.

    BEGS the question....Why is RT and Brietbart so correlated?

    SO on this particular day in June 6.2.2017 69.8% of all twitter media comments, fake news etc was being driven by just two media sources

    AND that is not the mark of an ongoing "active measures influence operation" being driven by Russia?????

    NOTE....our research on the automated bot networks under control of Russia sources ties nicely into this research and confirms exactly what he is alluding to....Russian influence operations driven straight into the heart of the US using alt right blogsites and alt right twitter accounts...
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