U.S. strikes destroyed Syrian means to deliver chemical weapons: admiralOriginally Posted by OUTLAW 09
http://reut.rs/2oTPZ95
BUT not incendiary cluster munitions....
realDonaldTrump
Congratulations to our great military men and women for representing the United States, and the world, so well in the Syria attack.
Whatever, Don.
Firing 59 TLAMs, unopposed, isn't exactly D-Day. Or Peleliu. Or Inchon. Or even Grenada.
FYI: Lobbing high explosives around, in limited quantities, has never changed the course of any war, ever.
No matter what TV "experts" say.
US DoD blathers about Lessons Learned.
UK MoD speaks of Lessons Identified -- because they may not be learned.
Was he drunk when stating that?
...or just plain clueless?
100% of attacks with chlorine are flown by helicopters from Hama and as-Safira: the Khan Sheykhoun attack on 4 April was a rare occasion in which Su-22s were deployed instead.
Surely not. 'But'... modern-day wars are not meant to be fought that way (except one is Assad or his IRGC pals).
Besides, these 59 TLAMs tidily marched just 100km south of the Russian S-400 SAM-site at Hmemmem - and not one was shot down (one did malfunction and crash, though).
Pro-Trump super PAC @GreatAmericaPAC fundraising off missile strikes in Syria
Trump's own history w/this group is complicated: his campaign 1st disavowed it, then @EricTrump appeared at $raiser
Great America PAC also had significant problems during '16 keeping some donors' credit card, cell, email data secure
This is actually related to the video released by the Syrian TV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaWzYO2fOkM
This was taken at Shayrat AB, yesterday (7 April 2017).
At about 1.40, a sequence starts taken inside the squadron ready room of No. 677 Squadron - the Su-22 equipped unit at Shayrat AB.
Hasouri can be seen for the first time at 2.11 min: the black-haired character seating in the centre of the room.
He is the CO of No. 677 Squadron - and the thug that led the air strike on Khan Sheykhoun, on 4 April 2017. He stands up and is cheered at 2.22, and Ayyoubi (Chief of Staff SAA) is then shaking his hand and kissing him, at 2.24.
Syria Massive airstrikes on #Daraa city today to stop rebel advance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozl-...ture=youtu.be#
Syria 18 people killed in Orm al-Jawz #Idlib by airstrikes today
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 04-08-2017 at 08:26 PM.
BTW, here my write-up on developments of yesterday, including the USN's TLAM-strike on Shayrat (and its direct effects upon activity of the Assadist air force): Air Strikes by SyAAF and VKS, 7 April, UPDATE.
Colonel Muhammad Yousef Hasouri: still alive?
I wonder if we will see imagery of a living Colonel Muhammad Yousef Hasouri again after the attack on his AFB. Now if the drones got him perhaps his pilots will wonder could they be next.
davidbfpo
I strongly doubt the USA are going to do anything to him - ever.
This TLAM-strike was clearly 'against aircraft and the base', not against 'personnel'.
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Finally there are some sane Russians that are now asking: After U.S. Strikes Syrian Air Base, Russians Ask: 'Where Were Our Vaunted Air Defense Systems?'
In confirming the deployment of its S-300 and state-of-the art S-400 missile-defense systems in Syria, the Kremlin boasted six months] ago that it had secured the country's air bases from American cruise missiles.
But after a barrage of U.S. Tomahawk cruise missiles hit the Syrian government air base at Shayrat on April 7, where some Russian military personnel were stationed, consternated Russians took to social networks asking: "Where the hell were the vaunted S-400s?"
"Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why our S-400s…. didn’t shoot down the American rockets?” asked one Twitter user.
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To CrowBat RE: Shayrat
Hello CrowBat. The Syria discussion hasn't been this lively since Aleppo...
In terms of accuracy and reliability, the 98%+ success rate should quiet some of the Tomahawk's detractors, although it will likely be eclipsed by the LRSO/LRASM family of systems over the next few years for high-end land-attack and anti-ship strikes.
I have several questions:
- I saw several fixed-wing aircraft parked in the open at the base on the Russian UAV video. Are these non-operational? Does this indicate that more aircraft survived in the hardened shelters?
- You said that the 136th Air Defense Regiment suffered a "severe blow", and all of the fatalities inflicted. Certainly they lost at least one Fateh-110 and I saw a radar not spinning, but I also saw a dug-in SA-6 near the edge of the airbase. How badly were they hit from an equipment perspective?
- Given the surviving aircraft, runways and air defense systems, would you characterize the attack as purely punitive? Was there no real attempt to substantially degrade the SyAAF or its air defenses?
- Do you think that the use of fifty-nine Tomahawks was a judicious use? Overkill? Not enough? Based upon the Tomahawk's operational history, the number of missiles per target varies widely, and Shayrat was hardened. To completely obliterate the base would require over 100 Tomahawks in my view, or more appropriately, follow-on by bombers.
- You mentioned that the S-400 was silent. However, isn't the S-400's radar blocked by the mountains between Homs and Latakia? In addition, would the Russians want to reveal their system's capabilities with respect to cruise missiles, only to defend Assad against an act of folly?
In my humble opinion, Assad authorized the use of Sarin in order to: (a) test Trump, (b) bring international attention back to Syria, and (c) ensure that Putin sticks around in order to keep the United States out. With Trump explicitly focused on Daesh and Aleppo having fallen, Putin could bolt for the exit, whereas Assad, and possibly Khamanei, want Putin to stay engaged and help them reconquer the whole of Syria. Basically, I believe that Teheran sees Moscow as a tool to help it carve out its "Green Crescent" through Syria, Lebanon and Iraq, before Teheran turns its attention to Bahrain and Yemen. Lastly, Pakistan, Pakistani Shias, and Balochistan, are probably the main reasons that Teheran wants nuclear weapons, not Israel nor liberating the Palestinians. Thoughts?
As someone who watched each and every TLAM strike launched in Operation Odessy Dawn from the classified side...(BTW actually have the official T-shirt) those were the older first generation...many "got lost"....missed their targets and or were duds on impact......
The then US solution to everything was to fire a TLAM even against single tanks... ..maybe because an Admiral was leading the operation.....BUT wagging tongues often stated the Navy was just trying to fire up their older TLAMS in order to get the next generation....
The AF could not even get in their air strikes as the Navy would have fired their TLAM as the AF strike craft were on the runway ready for mission takeoff...
Actually in the end the most precise weapon used was the Hellfire launched from Reapers and Predators out of Italy....which was even credited with taking out two SAM6s and one 8.
This new generation is a masterpiece of technology....BTW IMHO this attack was just for 1) show for Russia....2) show for Assad and MAINLY a real live test run under combat conditions.....
It is highly unusual to see a "barrage" of cruise missiles....both DDs basically fired their entire loads and then had to do a sudden resupply at sea..AGAIN getting in combat experience for the crews.....
This new puppy has the ability to have the warhead virtually programed for each individual target....has a higher speed....has a GPS controlled link back to the targeteers that even allow for inflight target resets...to include warhead reconfigurations for that new target....
ALL in real time....both DDs were fully capable of controlling and monitoring all 59 missiles in flight in real time...SOMETHING the Russian Navy will never pull off....ALL monitored BTW by overhead from start to finish ISR...also in real time....
THIS was a warning shot fired at the Russians on the US naval capacities....as the Russians are trying to rebuild a "blue water navy"....
BUT will it change the ground reality in Syria....not for a single second.....
BUT AS A HIDDEN PLUS....Trump looks lie a great leader...looks forceful...AND it takes the heat off his investigation for his solid connections to the Russians in the election and afterwards...
BUT AT WHAT cost to Trump?....it is entirely uninteresting that the Russia propaganda and disinformation kicked in immediately...well more or less immediately and as expected....BUT what was not expected was the sheer number of anti Trump voices from the US far right white nationalists and white supremacists circles which largely and totally had supported Trump and drove his voting numbers....THEY attacked him and declared they were finished with him...that will in the end politically hurt Trump as they are in the voting areas that went largely Trump in the coming by elections of 2018 where he could actually lose control of the US House and potentially the Senate.
And then they fully used the exact same Russian propaganda virtually word for word carrying it over their blogsites and twitter accounts...
NOW the interesting part kicks in....thus proving what myself and tens of others have been saying for months....Russian propaganda media outlets have driven the US white nationalist and white supremacist blogsites and twitter accounts far more deeply than many Americans had ever assumed was possible...this delivered the final nail of evidence for the solid connections...down to actual twitter accounts involved in this disinformation flow chain from Russia to the US...
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To Outlaw 09 RE: Strike on Shayrat
Interesting. "Slinging lead around the battlefield", to quote CJTF-OIR's prior spokesman, was exactly what Russia began doing in Syria in late 2015. Despite the fact that Russian support on the ground - including providing Assad's forces with the latest in armor and artillery, repairing it and sometimes even crewing it - was decisive, it was the small, ineffective but swaggering air campaign that was considered decisive and which caught the world's attention. This despite the fact that Obama was killing tens of thousands of Daesh fighters and meticulously avoiding civilians where possible. So why is Russia's air campaign considered a turning point, but the American one is forgotten?
Very simply. It was the style of the strike.
Putin gets style. Trump gets style. Obama never understood it. You might as well have appointed a Chief Risk Officer from a large insurer in the Midwest to Chief Executive Officer of a performance hedge fund in New York, when it comes to Obama's "don't do stupid stuff" and "lead from behind" foreign policy.
Trump didn't wait weeks for international agencies to determine whether Sarin really was used and for the false flag propaganda to overwhelm people. Nor did he ask for support from the British parliament or Congress for a military action that was well within his authority to order. He knew that he would be tested and that if he failed here, he might face a bigger test in the Strait of Hormuz, or the DMZ, or in Narva, or in the South China Sea.
Perhaps you'd like to argue for Clinton's proposed no-fly zone, and how that would be preferable?
Nikki Haley says she doesn't see a political solution to the conflict in Syria.
http://cnn.it/2obGHWe
Lucky...I would've loved to see them in action. Imagine if the British and French were left to their own devices to attempt a "Suez" on Qaddafi?
In the age of Sequestration? Brilliant move.
But these sound like incremental improvements for low-end strikes. How will this upgraded Block IV fare against Russian and Chinese air defense systems, disruption of satellite links and EM countermeasures? It has unparalleled sensors, accuracy, reliability, range and targeting flexibility, but it does lack speed and stealth. Having said that, super and hypersonic missiles can be difficult to control...
It does amaze me how the United States is able to upgrade and re-purpose existing weapons systems. Now the Tomahawk is competing with the LRASM, although I believe that the LRSAM/LRSO family will complement the Tomahawk and the JASSM-ER.
BTW ask the Iraqi's under Saddam just how effective the US no fly zone over the Kurds worked out....like a fine Swiss watch...that was totally effective...BUT at the cost of millions of dollars...
Azor
Here's your crash course in operant conditioning, aka the mechanisms through which you reinforce Trump's behavior.
WHICH the Us MSM urgently needs to get to....and the Russians fully understand BTW....
When you want to reduce/stop a behavior, you can do this by:
-Adding a negative consequence (+/-)
-Removing a positive consequence (-+)
When Trump bombed an empty field in Syria this week, media responded by:
-Adding positive coverage (++)
-Reducing negative coverage (--)
The media showed Trump that he can use bombs to boost positive coverage & reduce negative coverage - ie, they reinforced his behavior.
So next time Trump needs to change the narrative, you can be sure he'll remember that bombs did the trick this time!
THIS is exactly BTW how informational warfare is driven....the Russian MoD has fully explained this in their information warfare doctrine...they just tie into this the internet and social media and they are off and running....
This sums up the charts....
The DonCon-op: Warn enemies in advance. Launch expensive but worthless attack. Claim greatest Victory since WWII.
Check the last chart..this happened in the middle of the TLAM attack BUT US MSM slide right over it...and it is critical....
Russian software engineer was detained in Barcelona in possible connection to U.S elections hack:https://it.liveuamap.com/en/2017/9-a...-in-barcelona#
Mod adds the link is only to a headline, not a report.
It is interesting that in the last year......THREE major Russian hackers and or hacker leaders have been arrested in Barcelona....maybe they like the weather there? OR simply there is a very large Russian mob base there...
IT is highly interesting that even the Chinese verify my flow chart.....
China's state news agency says Trump bombed Syria "to overcome accusations that he was “pro-Russia.” Meaning he was dodging his Russian connections....https://nyti.ms/2nVNfr8
Last edited by davidbfpo; 04-09-2017 at 10:16 AM. Reason: Fix links and add Mods note
Politico's deep dive on Trump's decision making has enticing throwaway line on Sarin logistics at Shayrat
WERE in fact the precursors combined at base?
IF so then the Russians were totally complicit...
REMEMBER prior to all targets being struck they are under 500% ISR coverage....AND there are more than enough ISR assets overhead now in Syria that they were watching this airfield for a long time before the attack.....
This coming from a well known white hat hacker....
JΞSŦΞR ✪ ΔCŦUAL³³º¹ @th3j35t3r
I guess we've been doing the whole military thang wrong for the last 100 years. Thanks for clueing us in with your strategic genius, Don.
DID not realize Trump was a fully qualified construction engineer who specialized in airfield construction...YEs you do destroy runways..and that takes then time to get them back into operation....
Not like filling a pothole....which is what Trump is apparently referring to....
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