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    Paul Goble: Putin offers updated version of Brezhnev doctrine for post-Soviet states
    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.de/...ersion-of.html


    Staunton, April 12 – In 1968, Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev said that Moscow would not allow any challenges to communist regimes to succeed. Now, 49 years later, his Russian successor, Vladimir Putin, says that he will not allow any “color revolutions” to occur not only in Russia but also in Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

    Those are the members of the Organization of the Collective Security Agreement, and the Kremlin leader said yesterday that Moscow will not allow any destabilization in any of these countries but instead will “in every possible way support our partners” in that grouping (mir24.tv/news/politics/15955608).

    And just as was the case with communist leaders in Eastern Europe half a century ago, some of the leaders of these countries said they too would do everything they could to prevent such “color revolutions” on their territory, implicitly welcoming Putin’s offer of Russian support in this effort.

    Kazakhstan President Nursultan Nazarbayev called such revolutions “foreign interference” and noted that the best methods of countering them had been discussed at joint exercises of the security forces of the Organization in the past.

    Belarusian leader Alyaksandr Lukashenka said that he was responding to Western criticism of his regime’s human rights record by pointing to shortcomings in the West, and Kyrgyzstan President Almazbek Atambayev said that the West was trying to impose its way of doing things on people “without taking account the mentality of the people involved.”

    This approach, Atambayev suggested, “is leading to the situation which we see today in Iraq, Syria and Libya.”

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    Number of Ukrainian hostages in Donbas rises to 126 - Ukraine’s humanitarian envoy

    Russian spetsnaz raiding Crimean Tatars in Bahchisarai. There are arrested and wounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Paul Goble: Putin offers updated version of Brezhnev doctrine for post-Soviet states
    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.de/...ersion-of.html
    I always found the concept of the "Brezhnev Doctrine" troublesome. Was it a departure from Stalin or Khrushchev? Indeed, Andropov was involved in both Hungary in '56 and Czechoslovakia in '68. As for Stalin, his Red Army put down the East Germans, Poles, Romanians and the peoples of the Baltics, as well as the Ukrainians, from 1944 to his death.

    Moreover, there is a difference between say a "New Course of Socialism" or "Socialism with a Human Face", non-aligned independence and defection to adversarial/rival trading bloc and military alliance.

    Putin is no reincarnation of Woodrow Wilson; neither is he of the Soviet leaders who preceded him. Also note that Yeltsin was not the pushover that he is imagined today, and he laid the foundations of or began all of the conflicts that Putin is immersed in today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    I always found the concept of the "Brezhnev Doctrine" troublesome. Was it a departure from Stalin or Khrushchev? Indeed, Andropov was involved in both Hungary in '56 and Czechoslovakia in '68. As for Stalin, his Red Army put down the East Germans, Poles, Romanians and the peoples of the Baltics, as well as the Ukrainians, from 1944 to his death.

    Moreover, there is a difference between say a "New Course of Socialism" or "Socialism with a Human Face", non-aligned independence and defection to adversarial/rival trading bloc and military alliance.

    Putin is no reincarnation of Woodrow Wilson; neither is he of the Soviet leaders who preceded him. Also note that Yeltsin was not the pushover that he is imagined today, and he laid the foundations of or began all of the conflicts that Putin is immersed in today.
    Putin is actually an interesting character....as a KGB officer in Dresden he BTW did not make it into SVR as many in his KGB class group felt he did not have what it took....

    But anyway he turns up in the Dresden KGB HQs acting as more or less a liaison officer between the KGB and Dresden MfS...

    And when things collapsed he went home it was said with a refrigerator and 400 USDs in his pockets when others went home rich from their time in Dresden and the ensuing collapse...

    It is also said he was tasked at recruiting GDR citizens who legally left the GDR for the BRD and who might be settling in to the areas around Bad Tolez...the then German HQs for USA SF....in order to spy in SF activities...which some say he failed badly at....but he was good at recruiting active Stasi personnel into the KGB which then linked MfS warnings to Moscow about his activities in the "brother state".....

    But he had very good contacts as he had worked with the Mfs Surveillance and Political Crimes units...

    What is interesting is both the MfS and Putin totally missed the developing anti GDR movement hidden under the mask of "the peace movement" building in Dresden which then led to the complete fall of the GDR...

    Now if one looks at his Dresden past and now you will see little change is his character and or his actions....

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    No fuel around occupied territories of Donetsk and Luhansk region pic.twitter.com/zYgN38J7Kp

    This is actually very interesting as it is being suddenly reported and appears to have developed "overnight"....is it going to military units ??????

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    Russian language declining as ex-Soviet states reject it amid Kremlin action in Ukraine & Syria. Belarus exception.
    https://www.ft.com/content/c42fbd1c-...-163f5a7f229c#

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    3 caches of weapons were found by Security service of Ukraine in ATO pic.twitter.com/oPbJwz69Wi

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    Luhansk separatists conducted extensive exercises over the last week. New #MinskMonitor analyzes the new footage:
    https://medium.com/dfrlab/russia-bac...s-111c63f77fe#

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