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    White nationalism and Trump’s approach to Russia and the#world
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/02/0...nd-the-world/#

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    Western diplo involved in #Ukraine peace process tells me about #Avdiivka: 'Russia sending message to Ukrainians and (possibly) Trump.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    This morning Russian combined terrorist forces shelled #Avdievka residential areas with MLRS BM21 Grad rockets

    "8 full loads of MRLS outgoing from Auchan area, two flew towards Zasyadko, four towards #Avdiivka"

    Russians are now actively shelling civilians areas MUCH as they bombed civilians and civilian areas in Syria....same exact tactic now in Ukraine....
    The serious Russian fighting...shelling's and ground probes are now taking on the same character of attack style seen last in Ukraine during the battle for Debaltseve which was also an encirclement attack similar to what Russian troops are trying to prepare for with Avdiivka....
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    WE are now in full fledged combat...no better stated outright war now all along the Minsk 2 frontline....

    UAF is no longer restraining itself and is returning fire with the same intensity as the Russian side..and with the same type of weapons Russians are using....to include GRADS.

    interestingly UAF counter battery fire has vastly improved and is destroying arty site and GRADS sites as fast as they fire which indicates effective use of counter battery radars....

    Some Russian GRAD sites were hit as the vehicles were on their way out of the launch site destroying a number of them...that is a new development on their speed of return fire...

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    Russian army freight train full of Self Propelled MSTA-S howitzers on way to #Donbas in Taganrog,110km frm Mariupol
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    ATO HQ: 86 militant attacks, 1 KIA, 9 WIA in last day

    THIS is almost double the daily average number of attacks...in a single day..

    Russian Hybrid Army tried to storm Ukrainian positions in #Avdeevka tonight and this morning but were repelled. Battle still ongoing.

    It looks like they are trying to cause maximum damage and civil casualties for RUTV and UN Churkin to blame the Ukrainian forces. As usual

    But #Lavrov is like:
    "No tangible evidence whatsoever has been produced of #Russian army presence in #Ukraine"

    Ukrainian officials take seriously the possibility of a full-scale Russian invasion
    http://europe.newsweek.com/while-tru...-550603?rm=eu#

    UAF thinking is that if Putin fully attacks he wants to see just what the Trump response will be..if nothing then he could go all out along the entire Minsk 2 front knowing Trump has in fact given him a "green light"...
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    Russian invasion forces fire dozens of #Grad missiles from near residential area in #Donetsk.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVD_b0zU2Ag#…

    And another full load (30-40 missiles) from the same Bm-21 system.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVxb-CAJy8M#…

    Denmark's Foreign Minister wanted to visit the contact line in eastern #Ukraine.
    No chance.
    Russian artillery impacts audible behind him.

    No ceasefire in #Avdeevka!
    "Russian-occupation forces ignored this act of humanity despite JCCC agreement."
    - ATO command


    Russian troop led Russian mercenaries have been totally stopped in Avdeevka repeatedly YET they claim the following.....

    Insane numbers.
    A Russian hybrid army spokesperson claims, another 15 Ukrainian soldiers got killed & 30 wounded in #Avdeevka this morning.

    The "DNR defence minister" #Basurin now claims, he has info on 78 Ukrainian soldiers' bodies in local morgues from fighting on Sund & Mond.

    NOTE: we are seeing the Russian Generals in the so called JCCC offer UAF multiple short hour type ceasefires...VERY similar in style to what they offered rebels in Aleppo....appears they are trying lessons learned in Aleppo on UAF....
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    We are in front line city #Avdiivka in east #ukraine where fighting has escalated & humanitarian situation is bleak
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38818543#

    Jan31 #Donetsk @GirkinGirkin "MLRS Putin's way, hiding behind 9-story [residential] building"

    War crime..using civilians to shield combat operations.....in this case GRADs being fired at UAF positions....

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    THIS is important for a growing number of reasons....and still most Us MSM has not truly picked up on it.......

    WHY...Trump has effectively thrown so much against the fan all have basically forgotten about Russian hacking of the Us elections and Russians connections to Trump and his advisors....

    The Downfall of a Top Russian Cyber Spy
    https://lnkd.in/gKVmNHQ

    There's a war going on in #Europe.
    Maybe some journalists could take some Trump time out and cover it and cover Russian hacking against Czech Republic...Germany and Ukraine along with the US which is still ongoing.

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    Avdeevka.......Russian ongoing offensive destroying key civilian infrastructure...just like in Aleppo.....

    .@UN on rapid and drastic deterioration in eastern Ukraine: hundreds of thousands of affected civilians living in -10 C temperature


    EVEN under extreme GRAD shelling's UAF secured civilian repair teams have done a massive job at attempting to restore basic critical infrastructure....

    Head of regional adm: Avdiyivka got everything needed - heat, water, electricity - except the Russian stated ceasefire. Russia proxies continue shelling

    Ukraine has started evacuating civilians from #Avdiivka
    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...ighting-rages#

    Second major filtration station in Donbas is cut of electricity by shelling, no water for 1mln in Donetsk and around
    SEE the Aleppo effect on Russian shelling's hard at work......

    OSCE's Hug at #Donetsk water filtration station: there is less fighting. Sides can stop firing if they want to

    A barrage of GRAD's landed in #Avdeevka this morning, 20 homes damaged, one civilian wounded. Fighting continues.

    At least 1500 shells fired at Ukrainian positions from separatists territory since Putin-Trump call. That's 1500 freshly imported shells.
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    Today #Ukraine bids farewell to Oleg Burets, who died in the last days from Russia's onslaught around Avdiivka.
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    A lot of people right now on the Independence square in Kyiv now... to say last goodbye to the guys from 72nd brigade...killed in Avdyivka..

    The 72nd is one of the best battle hardened Brigades in the UAF...has been in the thick of the fighting since 2014..especially in Debaltseve encirclement

    Estimate of those Russian troops and or her mercenaries killed or wounded by 72nd goes into the hundreds....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    ATO HQ: 86 militant attacks, 1 KIA, 9 WIA in last day

    THIS is almost double the daily average number of attacks...in a single day..

    Russian Hybrid Army tried to storm Ukrainian positions in #Avdeevka tonight and this morning but were repelled. Battle still ongoing.

    It looks like they are trying to cause maximum damage and civil casualties for RUTV and UN Churkin to blame the Ukrainian forces. As usual

    But #Lavrov is like:
    "No tangible evidence whatsoever has been produced of #Russian army presence in #Ukraine"

    Ukrainian officials take seriously the possibility of a full-scale Russian invasion
    http://europe.newsweek.com/while-tru...-550603?rm=eu#

    UAF thinking is that if Putin fully attacks he wants to see just what the Trump response will be..if nothing then he could go all out along the entire Minsk 2 front knowing Trump has in fact given him a "green light"...
    Russia slowly grinding #Ukranian positions to dust in #Avdiivka.
    Reports of a mechanized battalion moving to the front line

    UPDATE @NATO issues dire #Ukraine warning as UAF death toll hits 19
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    Default Recent fighting a counter-offensive?

    From RFE/RL: http://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russi.../28268104.html

    From WIB: https://warisboring.com/russia-unlea...63d#.d7o26ww4t

    According to journalist Christopher Miller, former editor at Kyiv Post, the Ukrainian Army has been engaged in a “creeping offensive” since mid-December by advancing into the no-man’s land between the Ukrainian and insurgent front lines. The insurgents finally became aware of the situation and have launched massive artillery barrages at Ukrainian lines and have launched at least two failed counter-offensives.

    This boldness on the part of Kyiv seems to be due to Ukraine’s improving military position as well as frustration with the stalemate, and there are calls for another attempt to liberate or reconquer all of Donbas.

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    19:03 #Makiivka #Vostochnyi @zusamelena "Armageddon continues. They are firing something big"

    19:04 #Donetsk @HuAdvokatos Grad, artillery, Grad... and again artillery

    Ukrainian Ministry Of Defense Claims Military Transport Came Under Fire From Russian Sailors Today
    http://www.interpretermag.com/day-1080/#16042

    Russian anti-submarine ship fired on the AN-26 aircraft of the Naval Forces of Ukraine at the Odessa gas field in the Black Sea

    Key facts about Avdiivka escalation
    Graphic by @uacrisis
    More:
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/02/0...es/#arvlbdata#
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    First apparent move by the Bannon...Trump and Flynn NSC on Ukraine in order to appease Putin.....first signaled in the Republican Party platform changed pushed by Manafort....

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...-russia-stance

    Since the Russian troop commanded Russian mercenaries started their attack immediately after the Putin/Trump telephone call...19 UAF KIAs...and 55 WIAs...and the fighting is unusually heavy....


    Parts of east Ukraine are on the brink of a humanitarian crisis as the worst violence for a year in the conflict between Kiev and Russia-backed separatists has left up to 19 dead and thousands of people without water and heating in freezing temperatures.

    The violence is an early test of Donald Trump’s stated desire for better US relations with Russia. Kiev has watched nervously as Trump has repeatedly praised Vladimir Putin and floated the idea of lifting sanctions.

    The conflict in Ukraine has raged for nearly three years and cost more than 10,000 lives. A ceasefire was agreed in Minsk two years ago, and although little progress has been made since on a political solution, large-scale clashes have been rare over the past year.

    However, in the last few days both sides have accused the other of using Grad systems, imprecise weapons that rain down multiple rockets over a wide area.

    On Wednesday the Ukrainian military said three soldiers had died overnight, and separatist authorities claimed four civilians had been killed.
    'It's a pretty disturbing time for Ukraine': Trump's Russia ties unnerve Kiev

    In a clear sign that US policy towards Russia could indeed be heading for a sharp change of course under Trump, the state department made no criticism of Russia or the separatist side, in contrast to most of its statements in response to similar spikes in violence in the past.
    The acting state department spokesman Mark Toner said the US was “deeply concerned” by the violence and called for “an immediate, sustained ceasefire”.
    However, the statement stopped short of apportioning blame.
    Russia’s state newspaper Rossiiskaya Gazeta excitedly noted the change in tone. “Washington is not blaming the unrecognised republics for breaking the ceasefire, is not stating any support for Kiev, is not saying a single word about the role of Russia …

    Different variations of these elements were, as a rule, a key part of all statements of Ukraine under Barack Obama’s administration.”

    The state department statement was markedly different in tone to comments from the US mission to the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), which is staffed by career diplomats and may be out of step with the new mood in Washington.

    “Russia and the separatists initiated the violence in Avdiivka,” said the US chargé d’affaires to the OSCE, Kate Byrnes. “We call on Russia to stop the violence, honour the ceasefire, withdraw heavy weapons and end attempts to seize new territory beyond the line of contact.”

    There are several rounds of US and EU sanctions on Russia over its annexation of Crimea and actions in east Ukraine. Trump has suggested it could be time to lift them, and has spoken of the potential for a grand deal with Putin. The two leaders spoke by telephone at the weekend and agreed to meet soon.

    Ukraine’s president, Petro Poroshenko, said during a meeting with security officials on Tuesday: “The shelling is massive. Who would dare to talk about lifting the sanctions in such circumstances?”

    In Moscow, officials accused Kiev of provoking the fighting to derail the rapprochement between Putin and Trump. “Kiev is trying to use the fighting it provoked itself as a pretext to refuse to observe the Minsk agreement and blame Russia,” the foreign policy adviser Yuri Ushakov said on Wednesday.

    Fighting has centred on the town of Avdiivka, which lies a few miles from the separatist capital, Donetsk, but is controlled by Ukrainian authorities. The violence has come during a cold snap, with temperatures falling as low as minus 18C.

    East Ukraine: on the frontline of Europe's forgotten war
    Giovanna Barberis, Unicef’s representative in Ukraine, said: “Not only are the lives of thousands of children in Avdiivka, and on all sides of the conflict, at risk, but to make matters worse the lack of water and electricity means that homes are becoming dangerously cold and health conditions deteriorating as we speak.”

    Also on Wednesday, Ukraine’s defence minister, Stepan Poltorak, claimed a Ukrainian military cargo plane had been shot at from a Russian-held gas rig on the Black Sea. “The shot damaged the plane. The crew were not hurt,” he wrote on Facebook.

    So far there has been no comment on the increased violence in Ukraine from Trump’s inner circle. The new US president has repeatedly made favourable statements about Russia and Putin and signalled a very different approach towards Moscow. This month Trump tweeted: “Both countries will, perhaps, work together to solve some of the many great and pressing problems and issues of the WORLD!”

    Diplomats who served during the Obama administration have cautioned against making deals with Russia. “For almost three years the United States has worked closely with our European partners to support a peaceful resolution to the conflict through full implementation of the Minsk agreements, including by using sanctions to encourage Putin to comply,” said Dan Baer, formerly the US ambassador to the OSCE. “This should continue to be US policy going forward; anything else would be irresponsible.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    19:03 #Makiivka #Vostochnyi @zusamelena "Armageddon continues. They are firing something big"

    19:04 #Donetsk @HuAdvokatos Grad, artillery, Grad... and again artillery

    Ukrainian Ministry Of Defense Claims Military Transport Came Under Fire From Russian Sailors Today
    http://www.interpretermag.com/day-1080/#16042

    Key facts about Avdiivka escalation
    Graphic by @uacrisis
    More:
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/02/0...es/#arvlbdata#
    NSC Turchynov: we are ready to any provocation
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2017/1-febru...y-provocation#
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUN_nEN5j8g#
    pic.twitter.com/1T6jLulXjx

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    SO who exactly fired this BUK missile.....

    Buk 9M38 missile landed in Makiivka yesterday at 11:38pm
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2017/1-febru...vka-yesterday#
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    Reports suggest Russia engages in psychological warfare in Avdiyivka - media In a disturbing echo of the battle for Debaltsevo two years ago, there are reports that SMS text messages are being broadcast to Ukrainian soldiers and residents in Avdiyivka, containing threats and warnings, according to Interpretermag.com.

    https://www.unian.info/war/1754086-r...vka-media.html

    Examples of such threats have been posted on social networks, Interpretermag.com reported.

    Translation: #Avdiyivka look what SMS messages are coming in: "Ukrainian soldier, you're all just meat for your own commanders." Another pair of messages via Pyotr Dudnik on Facebook:

    Translation: "Soldier of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, they will find you when the snow melts." "ATO fighter, this winter will be for you like the one for the Germans outside Stalingrad."
    As some have already noted on Twitter, the broadcasting of such messages is likely performed by Russian electronic warfare units. During the battle for Debaltsevo, which ended with Russian regular forces taking the city on February 18, 2015, Ukrainian

    Viktor Kovalenko, an officer in Ukraine's 40th Infantry Battalion at the time, described their use: During daily attacks in January–February, the Russian-sponsored terrorists used portable cell transmitters to deliver fake and provocative text messages to our mobiles, in order to instigate anger or panic among our troops and destabilize order in our units.

    For example, on 12 February – on the very day the Minsk-2 peace agreement was signed – many of our servicemen received the same SMS, composed in a Russian criminal-jargon style, declaring that President Poroshenko “betrayed us, thus he should be killed”. Another fake message, received at the beginning of February, was addressed to ordinary soldiers, saying that their commander (with no name given) had fled to the city of Kramatorsk, thus “all of us were going to flee tonight as well”. Indeed, the terrorists had been taking control of our cell phones for up to 5–10 minutes, in order to deliver their propaganda messages. Sure, the SMS texts were anonymous and false.

    And not one of us fled, not one of us left our positions. Many times our unit commanders banned the use of cell phones in the battle zone, but our servicemen’s wish to reach relatives was so strong that they often ignored the ban and tried to catch any signal as best they could.

    Russian RB-314V Leer-3 electronic warfare systems have been documented in Donetsk and, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense, working in conjunction with Orlan-10 drones, are able to jam GSM mobile communications and broadcast SMS messages.


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    Incoming shells in #Donetsk downtown

    19:51 #Donetsk @AlfaNubovsky "[Direction unclear] sound reflects fr/highrise buildings, but even in #downtown incoming shells are heard..."

    10,330 explosions. The fighting in #Ukraine right now is the most intense ever recorded by international monitors. #Avdiivka


    Russia engages in high seas piracy: stealing Ukrainian oil rigs in Ukrainian territorial waters & towing them to illegally occupied Crimea.

    Russian Navy shoots at a Ukrainian plane in Ukrainian air space over Ukrainian exclusive economic zone....

    Ukrainian President Poroshenko's office confirms Russian attack on Ukraine AN26 over the Black Sea.

    BUT WAIT....
    Russian Defense ministry denied fire on An-26, Black Sea Command(Sevastopol) says "fired to prevent collision with rig mast"

    Really all they could think of is "rig mast"....as an excuse?????
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