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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    This event really does need to be intensively looked at....

    From an interesting white nationalist blogsite that was previously in the shadows until this clash...

    Wearechange.org
    https://wearechange.org/based-stick-...ense-24-hours/



    As the violence continued, Chapman emerged — wearing a helmet and respirator mask and holding a shield adorned with an American flag in one hand and a big stick in the other. The “alt-knight,” better known as “Based Stickman” was born.

    NOW you see the tie in to this twitter account
    Mike Cernovich us

    @Cernovich


    This US twitter account was used to massively push the Russian infowar narrative on twitter @Syrianhoax in order to disprove Assad used chemical wepaons....which started out over Damascus into Russian and then to this account and from there to Infowars and Breitbart.com

    AND there is no connections between Russian info warfare and the US white nationalist/supremacist blogsites and social media?????

    Right now they are basically feeding off of each other....

    More interesting is the evidently planned for violence aspect .....
    So.. it definitely looks like the tweet on the R is providing instructions for making a weapon to get past security at Berkeley.
    The same alt-right account (Baked Alaska) involved in orchestrating chaos in Berkeley today did the same to BLM in Dec 2016.

    Same account, on Mar 19, called for other Trump supporters to "fight the fascists" on April 15. Events at Berkeley were planned a month ago.
    @BasedStickMan

    NOTICE a pattern?
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    Kremlin Trolls CI @KremlinTrolls
    Olga Kostina is a former aide to the FSB director, & she's had close ties to the FSB for years, just fyi:

    Kremlin Trolls CI @KremlinTrolls
    When @Snowden arrived in #Russia, the FSB's Olga Kostina got the 'invite' to facilitate the well executed defection

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    Intertwining of Russian propaganda and US ultra right actions.....

    My family just witnessed alt-right Nazis descend on Berkeley to flex their hate muscle. And like clockwork, Russia Today is ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Intertwining of Russian propaganda and US ultra right actions.....

    My family just witnessed alt-right Nazis descend on Berkeley to flex their hate muscle. And like clockwork, Russia Today is ready.
    Straight up nazis in Berkeley. Guy on left said he was a "national socialist.

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    EU Mythbusters

    @EUvsDisinfo
    After every terror attack in Europe, disinformation outlets relay conspiracy theories and manipulated images:
    http://euvsdisinfo.eu/how-pro-kremli...dy-of-terror/#

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    Identified US Russian trolls......

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo

    Stonewall
    @wvkiller64

    Thomas Doherty
    @dohertytjp

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    There have been two US Congressmen who have been extremely vocal in their support for Putin..approved the Crimea annexation and who are adamantly anti Ukrainian...

    Both have travelled a number of times to Moscow since 2013....King got recently into deep trouble for quoting a Dutch white supremacist Wilders..WHICH he claimed he did not believe was rascist.

    Here is a 2013 article about the Moscow trip and how King/Rohrabacher carried water for Putin by praising his crackdown of free speech.

    During their trip to Moscow Rohrabacher and King also heaped praise on Putin for ARRESTING the band Pussy Riot, for protesting in church.

    Here is the article from 2013 wherein 2 US members of congress praise an autocrat for clamping down on free speech:
    http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...w-trip#…
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    HAS the US just completed it's second recorded actual cyber attack??????

    Multiple intelligence sources: US govt "digital interference" (hacking) disrupted North Korea missile launch attempt.
    @i24NEWS_EN

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    It is just not the Us alt right using fake news in the US.....

    BBC News - The rise of left-wing, anti-Trump fake news
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39592010#

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    Complete ideological flexibility, ie omnidirectional deza, is a big advantage Putin's spies have over Cold War KGB.

    Omnidirectional disinformation campaigns aren't something ultra partisan Americans are naturally equipped to handle.

    Our current dysfunctional political culture makes it easy for Moscow to fool us -- easier than it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Identified US Russian trolls......

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo

    Stonewall
    @wvkiller64

    Thomas Doherty
    @dohertytjp
    Kevin Gosztola
    Verified account
    @kgosztola
    Managing editor of @Shadowproofcom

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    I would argue that while we still have TLAMs flying around the countryside to impress Iran...Russia and Assad which it did not..and we are dropping MOABs to impress IS/NK and that is about it...

    Before we really look at the traditional side of "war".....we seriously need to understand cyber warfare and information warfare in true support to political warfare.....

    In some aspects while the Trump WH and their former and active duty Generals are reacting to political warfare using tactical level actions but with not a single well defined "end state" they are trying to achieve.....and seemingly are not paying attention to the "second....third and even fifth order of effects"....

    While I disagree with mentioning Clausewitz on this quote....this definition of "political warfare" is critical...and if one has taken the time to thoroughly research the Russian military doctrine of "Non linear warfare" this is exactly what the Russians...Iranians...Chinese and yes even NK is currently doing...

    AND our answers are always "tactical in nature"....does that make sense to anyone?

    QUOTE
    Political warfare is the logical application of Clausewitz's doctrine in time of peace. In broadest definition, political warfare is the employment of all the means at a nation's command, short of war, to achieve its national objectives. Such operations are both overt and covert. They range from such overt actions as political alliances, economic measures (as ERP—the Marshall Plan), and "white" propaganda to such covert operations as clandestine support of "friendly" foreign elements, "black" psychological warfare and even encouragement of underground resistance in hostile states.

    IMHO I would not argue that the 21st century political warfare has anything to do with Clausewitz...it is just the basic approach to political problems in the 21st century where outright open war between superpowers and or power arguing they are superpower are competing with each other...will not happen as all parties understand the outcome of open war.......

    Heck we cannot even define what is a cyber war and or an information/influence war and when is the red line crossed and a response is needed?

    Until that set of definitions are achieved all we have left or TLAMs and MOABs at the tactical level..

    Really a sad state if one thinks about it long enough...

    PERFECT example:
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    "Kelly says 'confusion' spurred by Trump administration is stemming illegal immigration".

    SO confusion is now a practical tactical level weapon to answer "immigration and economic issues"?

    AND the net effect of this "confusion being created by Trump" is a massive decline in US tourism down 18% and climbing with a projected loss of 8-9B USD in revenue......as it appears the entire "travelling world" is just as "confused about US intentions".......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    I assume that you mean the GRU/KGB and the GRU/SVR, respectively. FSB now handles counter-intelligence and domestic intelligence, albeit it has been involved in Ukraine. Having said that, Moscow considers various parts of Ukraine to be part of Russia, so the FSB would be involved there as opposed to say developing and managing assets in the United States.

    The HVA was certainly not above direct assassination or the use of terrorist proxies. Yet in the end, the MfS failed in its primary mission to protect the SED and the DDR. The reunification process was rather lenient on a service whose activities went well beyond espionage, and which deliberately committed murders and terrorist atrocities.

    I have heard it argued that the greatest success of the Warsaw Pact intelligence services was to promote anti-nationalism, anti-Christianity, political correctness and multiculturalism in Western Europe, in a bid to sap patriotic sentiment, demoralize the population and thereby undermine the ideologies most resistant to Communist rule. As an example, it was said that Olaf Palme was under such influence. I have not investigated this line of thought, so it may well be wrong.

    Given the relatively recent discoveries of Herman Simm, Aleksei Dressen, Shigehiro Hagisaki and Jeffrey DeLisle, I would say that the Russians are still quite capable of turning key NATO insiders. The fact that two of these names are Estonian should put to bed your praise for Estonian intelligence, as it takes more than a few years to recover from such blows; moreover, they are indicative of deeper rot. Incidentally, the former President of Estonia under whose watch these traitors were operating became quite agitated when reminded of them by yours truly.



    I have no doubt that the CIA created a dragnet across East-Central Europe in the early 1990s. I would imagine that the CIA and other Western intelligence services have replaced the FSB/GRU/SVR in Ukraine: those parts under Kiev’s control.



    Interesting. I think the same checks should be applied to spouses. After fifteen years they can be very different from when they were on honeymoon. Of course, with no-fault divorces and little recognition of prenuptial agreements, CI is difficult…



    Germany is by comparison a police state. The fact that the police happen to wear green and are generally friendly is irrelevant. I worry about German liberal democracy, as it is largely an Anglo-American imposition from 1945 to present, irrespective of the failed Liberal Revolutions and the brief interwar experiment.

    I am highly suspicious of a society that can turn on a dime in lockstep, as Germany has been wont to do.
    You really do have to spend some time here in Germany...you might be surprised how many US expats are here and they are not the older types....

    1. Germany strangely is now the defender of liberal democracy as the US has claimed it is has been since 1776.....

    2. Germany is lowering the voting age to 16..why because they say the younger generation needs a voice in what their futures will look like...AND the US over 50% do not even vote in a presidential election....

    3. That country that can turn on a dime when a three set IED exploded on a soccer team bus immediately started a thorough investigation taking it wherever it would go and thoroughly named it the responsibility of the extreme right wanting to blame refugees ie jihadists.....

    BUT WAIT. there is a proTrump organized by US Nazi rally held in Berkeley that goes out of control surprise surprise that makes the UK MSM as a proTrump demonstration that was attacked by non Trump supporters...NOT a single word of it being Nazi organized...either in US or UK MSM.....

    It is the only EU country that can organize and pull off a Salafist series of raids in 45 locations all over Germany with 500 police behind those raids and no one knew it was coming.....

    We telegraph coming TLAM strikes TWO days in advance....and tweet it one hour before the actual strike....

    I had two attempted break-ins in my company which were triggered by silent alarms...police were there within minutes and a total of four people were arrested....

    NOW try to call any US police force and state there is an impending break-in and see how long it takes for them to respond if they respond at all...

    And IT privacy and privacy in general....extremely defended in Germany and many think it is to well defended and hurts the policing...all based on good ole Hitler and the Gestapo.....CCTV....only in critical locations but totally against it due to the same privacy issues.....right to control photos taken of you...a non right in the US...a total right in Germany...do I need to go on.....??

    So do not tell me that Germany is somehow a goose stepping non democratic country when what US limited internet privacy rights were signed away recently under Trump and since 9/11 virtually all US private rights no longer really exist...

    Remember it was Germany leading the EU that forced the US to "safe harbor personal internet data" when the US wanted access to all European personal internet data under GWOT.....

    AND it was Merkel to mentioned it again to Trump when the US wanted to cancel "safe harbor"...she told him...then US internet/IT companies could no longer do business in EU areas....as simple as that...he caved BTW...
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    Now back to the thread at hand......

    Make sure to follow @partisangirl for the worst and also the most hilarious Syria propaganda.

    Identified proRussian troll...Europe based....BTW...she writes often for the US white nationalist blogsite from Alex Jones..Infowars

    AND who reads often Infowars....and quotes from them in some of his recent tweets.....Trump ......

    Lying blatantly, writing for @infowars and being totally crazy: the Assadist/"Resistance" poster girl Maram Susli.

    @Partisangirl Pro-Assadist uses video from Dec 2016 and pretends it's from the recent Fuah Kafraya attack
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    I endeavour to keep threads on subject / theme regularly, as some may have noticed.

    I have just moved seven fascinating posts in an Azor & Outlaow09 exchange on Russian intelligence & German counter-intelligence to the thread on Recent Russian Intelligence Operations.
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    MOSCOW WILL HELP LE PEN TO WIN THE ELECTION

    Tweeted by #Kremlin-loyal TV and deleted 5 minutes later.

    Let it sink in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Here though is my concern and you see it in my postings here that while suppose to be for Russian activities...we are now seeing a converging and or collusion between Russian disinformation/propaganda and fake news and the US ultra right (white nationalist/white supremacists) and also not least the US left feeding and using each others disinformation/propaganda and fake news...

    BOTH using effectively social media and botnets to carry their narratives into MSM...

    Example:

    If you look intently at a lot of Trump's statements he is actually dog whistling to white supremacists and white nationalists...

    Trump supporters, opponents clash in California park
    http://reut.rs/2oiSSPC

    The demo was organized and led by....
    Damigo, who founded Identity Europa, is a convicted felon who served time for drunkenly pulling a gun on a cab driver he thought was Iraqi.

    Identity Europa appeals to whites not people of color or ethnic backgrounds does it not?

    Nathan Damigo, a California white supremacist, apparently punched a woman in Berkeley. Profile:
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latim...tory,amp.html#

    REMEMBER the Trump tweet after a major demo clash in Berkeley where a well know white nationalist/supremacist attempted to speak on campus and was forces off campus and he could not speak.....

    "The federal funding for Berkeley should cut because they are not allowing free speech"....

    THEN that same individual a big gun on Brietbart.com comes out during a TV interview supporting pedophilia with young boys and get immediately canned by CPAC as their main speaker....

    That was the individual Trump was tweet supporting.....

    NOW another clash on Berkeley's campus....

    AND Twitters response to white supremacists/nationalists spreading as much hate as IS...is what? Deletes IS/AQ and allows white supremacist/nationalist comments...

    Complicit in spreading Russian propaganda & now in terrorizing #Berkeley. Now would be a good time for @twitter to ban Nazis planning riots.

    Berkeley was not a clash between anti/pro Trump groups. This was a pre-planned assault by a group of violent alt-right Trump supporters.

    A "call to arms" was issued to Trump supporters a month ahead of events @ Berkeley today. Don't let this get pinned on anti-Trump protesters
    Chapman (an already-convicted felon) is trying to raise $ for his bail through @PayPal.
    (Pinned tweet:
    https://twitter.com/BasedStickMan_/s...7358918799361#
    …)

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    EU investigates how its cash is being used by anti-EU proRussian parties
    http://on.wsj.com/2pHIfH0

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    The Russian "Firehose Method of Propaganda"....

    http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand...RAND_PE198.pdf

    A good article by RAND...not their usual expertise area...

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    Trump's use of "Wag the Dog" with TLAMs and MOAB did not get him anyhwere in trying to deflect from his Russian connections investigation at all..it just has actually gotten worse.........

    Donald J. Trump‏Verifizierter Account
    @realDonaldTrump

    The Fake Media (not Real Media) has gotten even worse since the election. Every story is badly slanted. We have to hold them to the truth!

    If KremlinGate is FakeNews, Trump is now tweeting that a dozen Western Intel agencies & hundreds of journalists are complicit in creating a global hoax THAT even the Russians could not pull off.....

    Trumps...Real Media which he has admitted to use is.....Fox, RT, ZeroHedge, Thermovich, Sputnik, InfoWars, plus various Lizard People outlets..80% being used to pass Russian propaganda and fake news every day....

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