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    Really worth reading as it goes to the heart of info warfare being driven inside the US following Russian info warfatre tactics....

    Gaming Google: Turning Comey's Testimony Into Right-Wing Talking Points Will Be Easy

    By Roger Sollenberger | June 12, 2017 | 9:00am

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...to-right-.html

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    While this is not Russian hacking, propaganda and or disinformation it fits nicely into Russian Intelligence Service "active measures"...

    "Revealed: Explosive Evidence Of A Russian Assassination On British Soil"
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/...1N#.gi8774M6N#
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    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...-u-s-elections

    Russian Breach of 39 States Threatens Future U.S. Elections, was bigger than previously disclosed

    Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before#Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.
    In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data.#The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database.#Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter.#In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.
    The scope and sophistication so concerned Obama administration officials that they took an unprecedented step -- complaining directly to Moscow over a modern-day “red phone.” In October, two of the people said, the White House contacted the Kremlin on the back channel to offer detailed documents of what it said was Russia’s role in election meddling and to warn that the attacks risked setting off a broader conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...-u-s-elections

    Russian Breach of 39 States Threatens Future U.S. Elections, was bigger than previously disclosed
    Note that some time ago, Putin ceased using electronic communication devices and began using typewriters; a habit that he ordered his IC to take up as well.

    It seems that electronic communication has become so crucial and so vulnerable that government establishments are learning how to function without it e.g. USN Carrier Strike Groups training for operations with no GPS or SATCOM.

    Rather ironic. If Putin wanted to shake confidence in the American electoral system, he certainly accomplished it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Note that some time ago, Putin ceased using electronic communication devices and began using typewriters; a habit that he ordered his IC to take up as well.

    It seems that electronic communication has become so crucial and so vulnerable that government establishments are learning how to function without it e.g. USN Carrier Strike Groups training for operations with no GPS or SATCOM.

    Rather ironic. If Putin wanted to shake confidence in the American electoral system, he certainly accomplished it.
    Azor...so now do you believe me???

    Check the Trump thread.....for a comment concerning the SS7 hacking of the Russian Ambassador......

    One of the tools released by the state sponsored hacking of both NSA by Shadow Brokers and CIA by APT 28 was a SS7 exploit not even known to the global telcos and still a major problem as SS7 is a strictly engineering not a hackable network protocol exploit.....

    Secondly, there was an NSA leak concerning Trump and Trumps sons that the NSa weighed whether to leak as it was a clear indicator that they had been sitting in the Russian dipolmatic comms for years....BUT evidently the seriousness of the Russian Trump threat was far greater than their "secret comms monitoring"....should indicate just how serious they ratre this Russian Trump set of connections....

    Now inhale and slowly think this question and answer through and then tell me Sessions was not lying....about his Russian connections.....

    McCain: Did you discuss issues of nat sec when meeting w/Russian officials as part of Armed Services Cmte?

    #JeffSessions: Can't remember.

    Sessions went on to state that as a Senator he did not pay any attention about or knew of the Russian hacking into the election and before YET as a Senator he was "briefed by the Obama WH" along with all main Senators on the ongoing Russian meddling and influence ops especially the hacking.....
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    The Hard Truth Keeps Trickling Out, Little by Little
    It increasingly looks like Russian hackers may have affected actual vote totals.

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...voting-totals/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor...so now do you believe me???

    Check the Trump thread.....for a comment concerning the SS7 hacking of the Russian Ambassador......

    One of the tools released by the state sponsored hacking of both NSA by Shadow Brokers and CIA by APT 28 was a SS7 exploit not even known to the global telcos and still a major problem as SS7 is a strictly engineering not a hackable network protocol exploit.....

    Secondly, there was an NSA leak concerning Trump and Trumps sons that the NSa weighed whether to leak as it was a clear indicator that they had been sitting in the Russian dipolmatic comms for years....BUT evidently the seriousness of the Russian Trump threat was far greater than their "secret comms monitoring"....should indicate just how serious they ratre this Russian Trump set of connections....

    Now inhale and slowly think this question and answer through and then tell me Sessions was not lying....about his Russian connections.....

    McCain: Did you discuss issues of nat sec when meeting w/Russian officials as part of Armed Services Cmte?

    #JeffSessions: Can't remember.

    Sessions went on to state that as a Senator he did not pay any attention about or knew of the Russian hacking into the election and before YET as a Senator he was "briefed by the Obama WH" along with all main Senators on the ongoing Russian meddling and influence ops especially the hacking.....
    SS7 hack explained: what can you do about it?

    A vulnerability means hackers can read texts, listen to calls and track mobile phone users. What are the implications and how can you protect yourself from snooping?
    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ng-texts-calls

    Global telco providers have known about the SS7 problem for years but did nothing about it as long as the enduser knew nothing about it....

    SS7 hacking hands on SS7 hack tutorial and countermeasures
    January 10, 2017
    https://fedotov.co/ss7-hack-tutorial-software/

    REMEMBER Trump wanted world leaders to call him on his Android cell...he still does not have a Secret Service secure phone...
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    EU Mythbusters

    @EUvsDisinfo
    25 proposals for countering pro-Kremlin disinformation without counter-propaganda (click on image to enlarge).
    https://euvsdisinfo.eu/25-ways-of-co...r-propaganda/#

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    Russia's disinformation targeted Bernie supporters on Facebook. Impact surely greater than suppressed Clinton vote
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...0ed71826cdb36#

    This has some background on how Bernie staffers & social-media group admins realized Russian propaganda was targeting them:

    It makes VA shooter today ...........
    Ppl saying 66yo Hodgkinson was a Trump-hater Democrat. His Facebook posts are very anti-Hillary/Dems.

    A pro-Bernie target of Russia disinfo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russia's disinformation targeted Bernie supporters on Facebook. Impact surely greater than suppressed Clinton vote
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...0ed71826cdb36#

    This has some background on how Bernie staffers & social-media group admins realized Russian propaganda was targeting them:

    It makes VA shooter today ...........
    Ppl saying 66yo Hodgkinson was a Trump-hater Democrat. His Facebook posts are very anti-Hillary/Dems.

    A pro-Bernie target of Russia disinfo?
    This is exactly why US MSM is losing the Russian info war...they failed to correctly state what the overall views of the shooter were....

    Reuters Top News

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    Suspect in baseball field shooting vented against Trump on social media
    http://reut.rs/2sBagVY

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    You're really on your soapbox today with the Alexandria shooting incident. If you're willing to post absurd comments claiming that the shooting was a "false flag" wrongly attributed by the MSM as a Sanders supporter, what can you truly be trusted on?

    See here from the BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40280034

    I suppose that everyone has it wrong but you, correct? There are witnesses, by the way, although I am sure that they are probably GRU/SVR agents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    You're really on your soapbox today with the Alexandria shooting incident. If you're willing to post absurd comments claiming that the shooting was a "false flag" wrongly attributed by the MSM as a Sanders supporter, what can you truly be trusted on?

    See here from the BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40280034

    I suppose that everyone has it wrong but you, correct? There are witnesses, by the way, although I am sure that they are probably GRU/SVR agents...
    Azor...you truly do not get it....what the posting was about is the following and slowly so you get it.....

    Immediately after the shooting virtually all MSM led by Reuters that the shooter was from the anti Trump side.....

    Social media had already grazed through his social media past and seen that he was anti Clinton and anti Dems as well..SO in fact a mixed p view of the world...ie angry at the world but not sure who to blame.....

    MSM should in opposition to info warfare balance their reporting...but they contribute to the current "chatter" and in this case the alt right ie white nationalist blogsites went wild with it....

    So again before firing out comments think it through....

    BTW...posted very little on the shooter actually......

    WHY..if you really read his history of violence towards police, women, and his own child and was charged for that violence BUT released by the courts...if convicted for family violence it would have blocked his getting a legal weapon...THAT is my beef but it does not fit here ......

    BUT back to the thread .....a large portion of the Russian info war directed against the US also in fact targeted Sanders voters....

    HOW....it has been proven on my end here in Germany that the Russian controlled botnet was used to push social media messaging on his voters to either depress their voting and or to fully support him thus draining votes from Clinton....

    By inflating the social media support for Sanders through their analysis of the voter trends based on this fake inflating of social media chatter leading Sanders to firmly believe he could have beaten Clinton.

    Again if you noticed I posted the first article that heads in that direction...

    Right now of the 32M so called Trump twitter followers we have been able to identify roughly 15M as being automated bots driven largely out of Europe..

    QUESTION is...who is exactly behind and drives these 15M...after the Sessions hearing we seem to be seeing that they might in fact be US paid for controlled though out of Russia.....

    Why..we see that the "messaging" was in fact out of the US for the first time and not out of Russia...that is new...

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    Azor...BTW you do realize the outcome of this shooting would have been far different (50 to 80 rounds fired) if the shooter had been able to legally purchase a rifle silencer WHICH will be allowed now under a House GOP bill just submitted and voted on?????

    So just how are the police to ID where the shooter is located with "no sound".....to orient on?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    You're really on your soapbox today with the Alexandria shooting incident. If you're willing to post absurd comments claiming that the shooting was a "false flag" wrongly attributed by the MSM as a Sanders supporter, what can you truly be trusted on?

    See here from the BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40280034

    I suppose that everyone has it wrong but you, correct? There are witnesses, by the way, although I am sure that they are probably GRU/SVR agents...
    Azor...hope you caught this yesterday on Fox News ....bending the "truth"...but wait ....it is their version of "truth" and that is no different than that of the "truth" pushed by Russia Today....

    So where is the difference between what I pointed out in Reuters vs. say this Fox banner???

    None actually as both missed the fact that the shooter also ranted against Clinton and the Dems as well.....and that the shooter had a domestic violence history that should have denied him a gun permit...in the first place

    So exactly just how many Trump voters actually believed this Fox banner???

    A.....lot.......
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    BUT WAIT...under 2nd Amendment shooter had full rights to own a gun and ammo ....that is exactly what Republicans have been fighting for and against Obama taking those rights away...

    AND I guess by extension use both as he felt he had the right to do......

    Propaganda cuts both ways especially on social media....

    BTW...social media has a rather long memory......and people often archive it.....

    Gunned down by his own political beliefs....
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    AND this is not the same as Fox News banner also carried on Fox.....Hannity also pushed for two full weeks before Fox had to take off the story due to being an outright lie...the murder of Seth Rich a Clinton Staffer which was supposed to be this "deep state murder conspiracy to kill him because he knew to much about Clinton activities"....

    SO again the question...where is the inherent difference between Fox News and Russia Today..there is none....????????
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    Azor..this sums up my comments on this topic.....

    A left wing nut with a gun is as dangerous as a right wing nut with a gun. But mental health coverage is harder for him to get than a gun?


    BUT WAIT........

    Remember when Trump talked about a "second amendment solution" for Clinton, most members of his party defended it as a "joke."


    After yesterday...was it really a "joke"......?????

    BTW.......

    Is this the appropriate time to mention a Congressman who once called himself 'David Duke without the baggage' was saved by 2 black cops????

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor...you truly do not get it....what the posting was about is the following and slowly so you get it.....

    Immediately after the shooting virtually all MSM led by Reuters that the shooter was from the anti Trump side.....

    Social media had already grazed through his social media past and seen that he was anti Clinton and anti Dems as well..SO in fact a mixed p view of the world...ie angry at the world but not sure who to blame.....

    MSM should in opposition to info warfare balance their reporting...but they contribute to the current "chatter" and in this case the alt right ie white nationalist blogsites went wild with it....

    So again before firing out comments think it through....

    BTW...posted very little on the shooter actually......

    WHY..if you really read his history of violence towards police, women, and his own child and was charged for that violence BUT released by the courts...if convicted for family violence it would have blocked his getting a legal weapon...THAT is my beef but it does not fit here ......

    BUT back to the thread .....a large portion of the Russian info war directed against the US also in fact targeted Sanders voters....

    HOW....it has been proven on my end here in Germany that the Russian controlled botnet was used to push social media messaging on his voters to either depress their voting and or to fully support him thus draining votes from Clinton....

    By inflating the social media support for Sanders through their analysis of the voter trends based on this fake inflating of social media chatter leading Sanders to firmly believe he could have beaten Clinton.

    Again if you noticed I posted the first article that heads in that direction...

    Right now of the 32M so called Trump twitter followers we have been able to identify roughly 15M as being automated bots driven largely out of Europe..

    QUESTION is...who is exactly behind and drives these 15M...after the Sessions hearing we seem to be seeing that they might in fact be US paid for controlled though out of Russia.....

    Why..we see that the "messaging" was in fact out of the US for the first time and not out of Russia...that is new...
    Outlaw,

    Hodgkinson was a supporter of Sanders, and volunteered for his campaign. There is no question that Hodgkinson was opposed to Trump, as are nearly all Democrats, many independents and a number of Republicans.

    Hodgkinson was opposed to Clinton because she was too centrist or too right for him and because she and the DNC colluded to undermine Sanders’ campaign.

    Hodgkinson was a Leftist, although I would hazard to guess that he was probably suffering from mental illness as well.

    Your seemingly innocent concern for Hillary Clinton's "plight" has long passed the threshold of plausibility. Remember that this thread is about Russian information warfare, not a compendium of Clinton’s excuses for why she lost and why anyone who dislikes or opposes her is dis/misinformed, bigoted or acting on behalf of foreign powers.

    Would you like a deleted while you preach from your soapbox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Outlaw,

    Hodgkinson was a supporter of Sanders, and volunteered for his campaign. There is no question that Hodgkinson was opposed to Trump, as are nearly all Democrats, many independents and a number of Republicans.

    Hodgkinson was opposed to Clinton because she was too centrist or too right for him and because she and the DNC colluded to undermine Sanders’ campaign.

    Hodgkinson was a Leftist, although I would hazard to guess that he was probably suffering from mental illness as well.

    Your seemingly innocent concern for Hillary Clinton's "plight" has long passed the threshold of plausibility. Remember that this thread is about Russian information warfare, not a compendium of Clinton’s excuses for why she lost and why anyone who dislikes or opposes her is dis/misinformed, bigoted or acting on behalf of foreign powers.

    Would you like a deleted while you preach from your soapbox?
    Azor..you do realize just how close you thread to the alt right .....

    I have tried to point you to the simple fact that Russian infowarfare was targeting Sanders supporters as well as Trump and attempted to depress Clinton supporters ALL at the same time....

    Simply go back to the Wikileak leaks from Podesta and DNC and reread every single one of them INCLUDING 10 identified as total fake which attempted to drive a wedge between Sanders and Clinton.

    NOW place your tin hat on and attempt to fully and completely understand Russian infowarfare.....

    Do I need to remind you at the beginning of the Steel Dossier which by the way Buzzfeed only released a small amount of the total 64 pages.....

    You stated it was fake, and false....do I need to remind you that outside of the missing sex tape 80% of the contents have been largely verified....

    You still BTW missed the comments on the House wanting to pass and are passing a silencer law that would have made this shooter almost invisible to the security detail....

    So if you want to contribute to this thread do so but refrain from the personal attacks....

    AND BTW...I have not seen a single posting to the thread other than your comments....

    Show me you fully understand Russian influence ops and how their trolls are guiding and directing US proTrump trolls and you will get my attention...

    I notice you never seem to comment on that simple and proven fact....

    On the next post I will show you a US Trump infowarfare attempt....
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    Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein just issued an unusual statement basically telling people not to believe leaks.

    Response from social media journalists that have repeatedly BROKE stories weeks before MSM have now confirmed the exact same story....

    NOW really pay attention to the actual statement and who it is attributed to....AND notice that his signature is not on the statement....

    This was released by DoJ AND only attributed to Rosenstein.....

    What it should have been is a release from the US AG NOW some will argue that he is recused BUT if you listened to him he is recused from the investigation BUT not from leading DoJ and in this role this release should have come from Sessions BUT he tap dance so much that no one would probably pay attention to him..

    Response to the release from social media journalists..CALL us we can inform you that your release is actually false....

    More Bad News For Jared Kushner as Mueller Follows the Money...reported on by social media journalists literally three months ago
    Drip, drip, drip.
    Matt TinocoJun. 15, 2017 8:05 PM
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...jared-kushner/

    BREAKING: Mike Pence's attorney's law firm helped Russian oil project get $14 billion in funding...social media pointed to this several weeks ago.

    Formal complaint to the NY Bar as the Trump lawyer is not affiliated with the DC Bar Association...reported first by social media and that days ago. As a lawyer you can only work in the Bar areas you are associated to....and Trumps lawyer is a long way from his home base NY.

    So reread the DoJ statement and ask in whose benefit this release supports and why was it released??

    Current US government also runs its own version of infowarfare...and actually close to the Russian style....
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