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    UK Parliament’s computer system subject of a cyber-attack, Houses of Parliament tell British Press Association

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    Stop Fake @StopFakingNews
    Key steps for countering Russian propaganda: A toolkit for journalists

    http://www.stopfake.org/en/key-steps...-journalists/#

    Well worth reading....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Interestingly enough a large number of "alt left" such as an Ed Schulz work now for the Russian propaganda media outlet and massively support Trump...

    Money speaks a far better level of politics than mere words do...
    These labels are rather tiresome. Given that Conservatism and Progressivism (referred to erroneously as "Liberalism") went through three waves of change each from the 1960s to present, and are probably in the beginning of a fourth wave presently. Therefore, there is no "alt". Rather, there are leading schools of thought and marginal schools of thought.

    The pundits who did the Sputnik/RT/PressTV circuit prior to the 2016 election, gained prominence because of America's self-inflicted wounds: specifically, the Iraq War. Their audience had remained fixated on the Vietnam War and Cold War cynicism/realism until the Soviet Union collapsed and Desert Storm put American arms back on the pedestal.

    From an intelligence perspective, there were waves of high-level Soviet and Eastern Bloc defectors after the repressions of 1953 and 1956, then 1968, and then the war in Afghanistan. The same is true in the West, where laity and insiders alike recoiled at Vietnam and various dirty dealings in Latin America.

    To many Americans, Obama reneged on his promises of withdrawal, especially after his surge in Afghanistan and Odyssey Dawn, whatever their objective merits.

    The interventionists should have seen this coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Jonathan Kay
    On the tyranny of Twitter: How mob censure is changing the intellectual landscape


    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/j...5-7f4e934c2afb
    I had already read Kay's article. He is very incisive. I have watched Progressives eat their young since my college days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Kremlin Trolls CI‏#
    @KremlinTrolls

    As suspected, we do believe Olga is a active #TeamDeza member
    Andrea Chalupa
    Married Russian intelligence agents who run Kremlin front Intersection, are in DC tonight. And look who's doing the PR again

    After above tweet was sent hundreds of Russian trolls spammed this account.....

    Let me be totally clear on this. @IntersectionEN is a Kremlin front funded by Russia and headed by an FSB Russian agent of influence.
    Chalupa is the last person that should be considered a reliable source on anything. She wants the Ukrainian tail to wag the Western dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    These labels are rather tiresome. Given that Conservatism and Progressivism (referred to erroneously as "Liberalism") went through three waves of change each from the 1960s to present, and are probably in the beginning of a fourth wave presently. Therefore, there is no "alt". Rather, there are leading schools of thought and marginal schools of thought.

    The pundits who did the Sputnik/RT/PressTV circuit prior to the 2016 election, gained prominence because of America's self-inflicted wounds: specifically, the Iraq War. Their audience had remained fixated on the Vietnam War and Cold War cynicism/realism until the Soviet Union collapsed and Desert Storm put American arms back on the pedestal.

    From an intelligence perspective, there were waves of high-level Soviet and Eastern Bloc defectors after the repressions of 1953 and 1956, then 1968, and then the war in Afghanistan. The same is true in the West, where laity and insiders alike recoiled at Vietnam and various dirty dealings in Latin America.

    To many Americans, Obama reneged on his promises of withdrawal, especially after his surge in Afghanistan and Odyssey Dawn, whatever their objective merits.

    The interventionists should have seen this coming.
    Actually Schluz was a deep unionist and was heavily involved in the WI elections when the GOP governor was breaking the unions...had is own radio US wide radio show and then went onto MSNBC.....

    BUT making millions more when he shifted to RT....

    Would argue that since about late 80s the radicalization of both political directions has been underway driven by such talk shows both left and right....

    BTW....the alt right ie white nationalist social media accounts are now using the political terms "nationalist vs globalist"...which is probably more correct than left and right...

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    New @TEDx talk describes #Russian weapons in Post-Truth Age: #Putin's troll farms waging war on democracy worldwide:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeXCU8cjIlw#

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    MORE potential Russian involvement in Sanders campaign.....

    Bernie and Jane Sanders are under FBI investigation for bank fraud and have hired prominent defense attorneys:
    http://cbsn.ws/2s2uJ6A

    1. And if this is a local matter, why is the FBI doing the investigation? Vermont has a court system. Attorney general and everything!

    2. But this matter - combined with the optics of somewhat unusual campaign expenses - this ain't local VT business peccadilloes. Nope.

    3. Just remember: everywhere in Trump-Russia, there are "exotic" financial practices, undisclosed payments, and a lack of transparency.

    4. ADDENDUM: Bernie's campaign manager worked for the same pro-Putin despot as Paul Manafort and was paid disproportionately.

    5. Moreover, some of Bernie's online support has been coordinated overseas, according to the IC.

    And he played a spoiler against Clinton.

    6. Were it not these last few facts, the financial stuff would be innuendo and I wouldn't touch it.

    But something is not straight here.

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    Reference on UK hack today......

    Public largely thinks cyber attacks are essentially "virtual." They're not. They're attacks on real infrastructure.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40394074#

    Days after reports of Russian hackers selling officials' passwords, cyberattack hits UK Parliament to access emails
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...a7806456.html#
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    The Psychology of Election Hacking
    https://safeandsavvy.f-secure.com/20...cking/#…

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    Russian-linked cyber gang blamed for worldwide computer hack using hacking tool stolen from US spy agency
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...nhs-computer/#

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    Never engage in a Twitter debate with someone who deletes all of their tweets every 24 hours so they can't be held accountable.

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    If one is tracking the increases in the twitter "Followers" of Trump one will notice that 500,000 new "Followers" were suddenly added within four days...then a pause of two days and then suddenly 100,000 more and then a jump of 200,000 in 1.5 days.....800,000 in less than ten days...someone is paying a large amount of money to create this bot army......

    Someone is inflating the Trump numbers to create the feeling he is running on a high level of approval.....which is opposite to actual polling which depicts an ever lower popularity percentage.

    These sudden "Followers" are in fact virtually all automated non human bots controlled from outside the US....

    So who is outside the US creating and paying for this bot army????
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Actually Schluz was a deep unionist and was heavily involved in the WI elections when the GOP governor was breaking the unions...had is own radio US wide radio show and then went onto MSNBC.....

    BUT making millions more when he shifted to RT....

    Would argue that since about late 80s the radicalization of both political directions has been underway driven by such talk shows both left and right....

    BTW....the alt right ie white nationalist social media accounts are now using the political terms "nationalist vs globalist"...which is probably more correct than left and right...
    Whereas in the past, socialism was associated with "globalism", and free markets with "nationalism", you now see a confluence of nationalism and socialism.

    The problem is that the progressive "globalists" cannot reconcile integrating mixed economies with generous welfare states with regions that have neither. In the case of the U.S. and Mexico, either Mexico has to improve, or the U.S. has to collapse its welfare state, so long as the border is a sieve.

    For all of the progressive rhetoric, they are not offering anything tangible other than a race to the bottom. For all of the harsh talk about "personal responsibility" and "poverty being a mindset" that one finds in the northern hemisphere, the fact is that its societies are quite forgiving for their worst-off. By comparison, southern Europe and the "global south" is utterly unforgiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Chalupa is the last person that should be considered a reliable source on anything. She wants the Ukrainian tail to wag the Western dog.
    Thus what RIS calls "an agent of influence...just on Twitter....same as Trump is inside the WH...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Whereas in the past, socialism was associated with "globalism", and free markets with "nationalism", you now see a confluence of nationalism and socialism.

    The problem is that the progressive "globalists" cannot reconcile integrating mixed economies with generous welfare states with regions that have neither. In the case of the U.S. and Mexico, either Mexico has to improve, or the U.S. has to collapse its welfare state, so long as the border is a sieve.

    For all of the progressive rhetoric, they are not offering anything tangible other than a race to the bottom. For all of the harsh talk about "personal responsibility" and "poverty being a mindset" that one finds in the northern hemisphere, the fact is that its societies are quite forgiving for their worst-off. By comparison, southern Europe and the "global south" is utterly unforgiving.
    Quite forgiving...and interesting comparison between southern Europe and the US..quite frankly southern Europe cannot match the US GDP for a single quarter this year and you except them to provide for the poor and low income earners...

    BUT WAIT..the massive US GDP is about to kick off 23M from some form of health insurance which is one looks at the statistics has lowered and or slowed US healthcare costs for the first time in 50 years of constant skyrocketing increases and over 78M had for the first time any form of healthcare coverage....

    You are comparing apples to tanks...look at the GDP and tell me where the US should be..in taking care of the so called worst off....

    You still have failed to notice that one US party GOP is deadset on eliminating any social law and or support mechanism for the so called worse off since the 30s and since 1965..ALL under the guise of "small government"...explain just how a "small government" is to manage a country of 300M plus and maintain constant war and maintain some form of military...without actually causing "an increase in the worse off"??

    It took the 30s depression and blowing of earth all the way to CA to get some sort of support mechanism in place. AND then the 64/65 period to equal voting rights and something out of the "war on poverty"...WHICH BTW is still ongoing the last time I checked....AND out of the lessons of the real estate bubble and crash that wiped out literally BILLIONS in wealth which no one went to jail for...BTW at least some went to jail in the credit union bubble crash...and what weak laws that were passed to do try to keep it from happening again are being eliminated by Trump and company ...why is that???

    So while we chase the jihadis of this earth around the world and they will still be there in the 25 years we allow Americans to still die of healthcare issues and starvation....and thousands of kids to do poorly in school because of one meal per day.....hunger in America who would have thought that possible in the so called land of a thousand possibilities...and that great farming machine of the mid west???

    AND that is what the "American way of life"...come on get real.....

    WHY is that BTW????
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    Azor....this I think sums it up very well.....this is the core GOP belief since 1929.....pull yourself up by your own bootstraps...

    So while you attempt to repay your student loan which the government still charges you 7.2% in a zero interest rate period and you hope that McDonalds job in the service industry covers the debt load and allows you to life well on your weekly income....and allows you to feed three people and pay rent...let me know how that works out???

    Kellyanne Conway defends Medicaid cuts, says adults can always find jobs http://huffp.st/M2H2VS4

    BUT remember if you earn more that the allowed 350% over the Federal poverty line then you in fact lose your healthcare but you still cannot pay for even the so called GOP basic insurance right Azor????

    Think about that figure 350% over the Federal poverty line??? is what roughly 16K to 19K per year for a family of say three....

    BTW there are some southern European countreis where the income is equal to this....

    WHY because you are still the working poor.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    I had already read Kay's article. He is very incisive. I have watched Progressives eat their young since my college days.
    Actually that goes for the right as well as we are seeing in the Trumpcare healthcare debate...meaning no GOP Senator can no longer vote what he or she thinks is best for those that elected them to Congress....

    BUT in party speak ....they place the party over the country..though in some aspects the so called left as many in the US use the term...do on a large number of occasions place country over party....

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    I have posted previously information on US alt right proTrump white nationalist tweets that were supporting heavily the Le Pen election campaign....

    One of those accounts was @TEN_GOP which is you read the account info gives the impression that it is a Tennessee based GOP group...BUT in reality it is a fake account driven out of Russia.....

    This are often "Followers" of that account......

    You will notice that the first one is in fact the current GOP House Committe leader namely the Intelligence Committee

    The second photo of the second account is is fact the photo of the Crimean born Russian Federal Prosecutor for Crimea.......
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    MORE TEN_GOP "Followers"

    Notice the UK individual who drove the Brexit campaign and was one of the first people to visit Trump after his election in the NY Trump Tower and was with Trump for a number of campaign rallies AND met with the French ultra rightist Le Pen also in Trump Tower....

    BTW..."Sharia Watch" is an ultra rightist ie white nationalist anti Muslim group which started first in the US and who just held a number of US wide demonstrations...
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