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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Are you referring solely to the NLF/NVA? Yes they did.

    The U.S. campaign in Vietnam was doomed because of:

    • Poor intelligence and therefore understanding of the conflict i.e. not Korea redux
    • An overly ambitious objective i.e. a strong and friendly state in South Vietnam
    • A restricted commitment in order to placate Beijing and Moscow on the one hand, and the American electorate on the other


    Imagine if the U.S. had simply denied the Communists control of Vietnam, relying upon anti-Communist insurgents, small special forces/intelligence teams, and airpower…

    Yet returning to the issue of comparing conventional warfare with guerrilla warfare and subversion, every strictly conventional war that the U.S. has fought with major ground forces has been far more costly to those soldiers than the counter-insurgencies in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq (*).



    On the contrary, according to Khalizad and Bush himself, Cheney among others, advocating using tactical nuclear weapons. Bush, of course, was strongly opposed, but the mere suggestion indicates the anxiety over Iraq’s conventional capabilities. Indeed, the U.S. forces committed at the beginning of 1991 indicate a major overreaction to the possibility of war.

    The threat that the U.S. faced from Iraq in 1991 was the Soviet one, in miniature, and although a U.S. victory was assured, there was anxiety over how costly that victory would be. Would quality overcome quantity, and to what degree? If liberating Kuwait was hard-fought then the ramifications would be felt by NATO forces in Germany opposite the crumbling Warsaw Pact and the still formidable Soviet Union, as well as the U.S. forces in the Asia-Pacific facing North Korea and China.

    If you are intending to claim that “everyone” knew that AirLand Battle would work as advertised, then why did Hussein not back down?

    Moreover, why did the Soviets express surprise at the effectiveness of U.S. doctrine and technology in action as the following sources indicate?



    In 1990, 39% of the total U.S. combat aircraft inventory was deployed to Desert Storm, whereas 30% was deployed to Iraqi Freedom, and elements of the latter were already in theater supporting the ongoing NFZ/NDZ in Iraq and Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan.



    So because it’s rainy in Berlin, you’re using tinfoil to stay dry while on your soap box? :P

    Hussein had more than five months to withdraw from Kuwait and refused to do so despite the Desert Shield build up in Saudi Arabia and the UNSCR authorizing force to expel Iraqi forces. If those gathering Desert Storm clouds – pun intended – did not convince Hussein, how could Bush have done so in 1990?




    * Referring to the Civil War, World War I, World War II and the Korean War
    I find it interesting that you have never participated in either VN nor Desert Storm nor sat in the actual planning phases of DS or even during the Cold War in Germany yet you quote like wild....

    If you really did do your research on SVN you might have noticed that actually the SVN Army was holding up well and with heavy B52 strikes effectively stopped the NVA Easter invasion in it's tracks and pushed them back into Laos and Cambodia...

    The NVA licked it wounds and waited...WHAT exactly was the next US government move...they simply cut off SVN from any further military aid...and then the NVA moved again.

    If you the reread a lot of the 1975 battlefield reports coming from SVN army/marine units...they basically ran out of ammo and there was nothing there to supply them with and then broke and ran....

    Back to tact nukes..US politicians can talk all they want to but at no time were the handlers of those weapons "alerted to move" a key sign they were going to be used.....so again understand what you are talking about.

    BTW you avoided my comments on the I&W warning Bush but Bush not reacting...why was that...if you knew the history behind I&W and their mission and where they sit in the IC and the role they play in national level command authority decisions you should have jumped on my comments but you did not.....

    Long time I&W types who are very in tune to intel openly questioned what Bush was up in totally ignoring their warnings even SIX hours before the actual invasion and they called it to the exact invasion minute....Bush could have forewarned Kuwaiti forces but did not..but no action from a sitting US President...they indicate that had he gone on national TV and laid out all the intel evidence down to SIGINT as the buildup was occurring Saddam would not have invaded...but he did nothing....

    Their reasoning is still today this and it has not changed with time...he wanted the war with Saddam...

    But somehow we do not talk about that do we Azor?
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 05-05-2017 at 06:38 AM.

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