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    Last time posting to anything on SWJ...not wanting to say I told you so I am...sad that many are not smelling the coffee right about now on the complete sell out of the US and it's democracy....

    Lavrov: "Trump mentioned that in US certain circles still inflate subject of Russian meddling in elections, even though they have no proof."

    RIA-Novosti: Putin told by @POTUS "some circles in the US are exaggerating the topic of Russian cyber meddling."
    http://bit.ly/2tV8qPO

    Tillerson says Russian approach to Syria - mass civilian casualties, displacement, total destruction - may be "more right" than US approach

    Tillerson: "We want to build on commonality... maybe they've got the right approach and we've got the wrong approach." Jesus, Mary & Joseph

    So Tillerson will accept Crimea, Donbass, Russian carpet bombing Syria, and undermining elections across the West. Let's move forward

    Here we go. Munich conference all over again. Ukraine gets thrown under the bus without a seat at the meeting table.

    BLUF......
    Lavrov says Trump "accepted" Putin's assurances that Russia did not hack the U.S. election.
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    Now convince me that Trump is not colluding with Russia and that the FOUR key USG ICs got it totally wrong and that the massive FBI SC Mueller investigation is also getting it wrong.....

    A US President truly believes a number of HoIS over the USG IC that swears an oath to "defend the US from enemies near and far"...

    And some say I am on a soap box??
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    NOW we fully understand the Trump cyber security plan for the US...took him over 170 days and with the Russians but he now has one it seems.....


    RU-US cybersecurity initiative supported by both Trump and Putin today...and they both agreed to set up a joint group to address it..

    The fox literally stealing the chickens instead of a Trump guarding the chicken coop....instead he steals them with assistance of the US President...

    No wonder Putin wants to see proof of RU hacking. Wants to find how our IC knows & shut the source...so in fact Trump "trusts FSB, SVR and GRU over his own USG ICs??

    AND some say I have been on a "soap box"??
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    So who now is actually lying....Tillerson and or Lavrov?????

    Betting Tillerson unless he can actually release the official transcripts if any were written....

    Tillerson: Trump "pressed" Putin on Russia meddling in US election

    Lavrov: Trump said meddling was "exaggerated" & "accepts" Putin's denials


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    Probably one the best articles concerning the US President Trump siding with Putin against US interests and democracy.


    Trump Handed Putin a Stunning Victory
    From his speech in Poland to his two-hour summit in Hamburg, the president seemed determined to promote Russia’s dark and illiberal view of the world.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...victory-215353

    Former director of national intelligence James Clapper put the matter well this week: Russia is prepping the battlefield in the United States for what comes next. It is clear the president does not believe this—and it is increasingly clear that his definition of who and what we are as a nation is problematic and dark. If we choose to ignore these warnings—as a government and as a society—we all bear responsibility, and we will all pay the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    So who now is actually lying....Tillerson and or Lavrov?????

    Betting Tillerson unless he can actually release the official transcripts if any were written....

    Tillerson: Trump "pressed" Putin on Russia meddling in US election

    Lavrov: Trump said meddling was "exaggerated" & "accepts" Putin's denials

    Fancy Trump and Tillerson foot work to avoid looking like they basically lied....

    BUT WAIT...that is not the version being carried by Russian media and what is being quoted as being said by the Russian FM who was part of the meeting.....

    Jim Acosta‏
    Verified account
    #@Acosta

    Senior admin official tells me POTUS did not accept Putin claim of non-interference in last year's election.

    So does this "senior admin official have name????..

    REMEMBER Trump bashed the FAKE news media for reporting without using a name and yet they do it all the time....with such comments.

    So using the Trump definition of what is not FAKE news this Trump WH comment is in fact FAKE news....

    Lavrov: Trump said he heard Putin's statements that Russia didn't hack election and accepts them.

    Lavrov: "Trump mentioned that in US certain circles still inflate subject of Russian meddling in elections, even though they have no proof."

    So who is lying??

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    Mnuchin says Trump "handled brilliantly" the election mettling issue in Putin bilat.

    Doesn't explain how, and Mnuchin wasn't in the meeting.

    Reporters asked Trump aides 3x to clear up difference between Russia & U.S. account of Trump-Putin meeting. They didn't answer the ?s.


    "The President will be happy to make statements himself," Mnuchin says, after Trump skipped town without holding a G-20 press conference.

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    AND for those SWC readers and commenters that failed to notice this....REMEMBER Trump's number of public statements...he has had no Russian connections......

    As US MSM investigative journalism is finally getting untracked we see suddenly this meeting that never was revealed by the Trump WH...why is that...BTW...this meeting has long been alluded to on social media reporting....four months ago.

    And this is not a "back channel".....??

    Two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican presidential nomination last year, his eldest son arranged a meeting at Trump Tower in Manhattan with a Russian lawyer who has connections to the Kremlin, according to confidential government records described to The New York Times.
    The previously undisclosed meeting was also attended by Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, as well as the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, according to interviews and the documents, which were outlined by people familiar with them.
    While President Trump has been dogged by revelations of undisclosed meetings between his associates and Russians, this episode at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, is the first confirmed private meeting between a Russian national and members of Mr. Trump’s inner circle during the campaign. It is also the first time that his son Donald J. Trump Jr. is known to have been involved in such a meeting.
    For those interested SWC readers...that unnamed in this article Russian lawyer "WAS a straight to Putin back channel" side stepping USG IC and DoS channels......

    For those interested in Russian HoIS operations straight out of page 68 of their recruitment manual...."for clandestine off the books meetings".....

    NOTICE Trump WH only admits to the meeting after being confronted by the report....

    AND for those that do not understand US IC counterintelligence operations.......

    This means the following....
    "according to confidential government records"

    USG IC CI viewed this Russian lawyer to be a member of HoIS and thus was under surveillance by USG CI......

    So Trump....Russian hacking of US...Ukraine...Crimea and Syria are not part and parcel of an ongoing Russian political war against the West in general but specifically the US using Russian non linear warfare as the supporting mechanism??

    Based on an ongoing SWC posting dispute...no SWC does not think that.

    BUT WAIT......Even SWC posted a VOA article on apparent Russian hacking of US nuclear power plants......

    BTW...this was actually proven by European Security Services.....they outright named APT 28.

    The core problem is that SWC stove pipes threads and does not focus on those threads that are in fact intertwined with a certain shall we say "degree of complexity"....

    Great for pushing a potential if it ever occurs "discussion" bad though for not being able to thoroughly understand the actual events as they unfold...

    Russian non linear warfare is 24 X 7 X 365 with no breaks and or time outs taken....but apparently this is in the eyes of SWC..."soap box" posting...

    SAD.....as I started in 2005 to read SWC because it was then far more open on comments...focused on the comments and loaded with a ton of tips....and a lot of commenters...now it is simply an echo chamber nothing more nothing less....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Mnuchin says Trump "handled brilliantly" the election mettling issue in Putin bilat.

    Doesn't explain how, and Mnuchin wasn't in the meeting.

    Reporters asked Trump aides 3x to clear up difference between Russia & U.S. account of Trump-Putin meeting. They didn't answer the ?s.


    "The President will be happy to make statements himself," Mnuchin says, after Trump skipped town without holding a G-20 press conference.
    NOTICE this comment got flagged for evidently not being in synch with the thread...

    But is it not interesting that Russian confirmed hacking of the US election with USG IC holding evidence of Putin involvement....and the still ongoing hacking and influence operation is "supposedly discussed by Trump" for over 40 minutes......WITH as Putin publicly stating "Trump accepted Putin's statement "it ain't us"....

    If there is in the world of international relations two different versions of a single meeting then in the past one side or the other releases a certified copy of the actual discussion for all the world to see...BUT here silence on both parties....

    AND then we have two ...two separate interpretations of what was actually said and we have two known and verified liars as nation state leaders that no one can really say for sure which one is not lying???

    At least the attempted hacking of US nuclear power plants should have motivated Trump to discuss the issue for more than 40 minutes.../

    BTW confirmed by European Security Services...as Russian APT 28.

    And also confirmed by my research here in Belin.....
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