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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    As Afghan that theory on why we went to war with Iraq is bogus, but important I can't see how you can deny the goodness the U.S. has done worldwide. Of course if you want to believe we went to war in Iraq to prevent the Euro from becoming the currency for OPEC that may partially explain it. I think some nations only look after their self interests and can't perceive a nation acting to achieve objectives based on moral imperatives. Ghandi was over rated in many respects. He did provide a model for non-violent protest that failed in most cases to include India, but MLK was able to successfully employ it in the U.S. based on a confluence of factors, not the least being that our behaviour was conflict with our stated morals. Every revolution is unique based on local factors.

    Just curious since India was close to the USER and remains close to Russia do you think the world would be better off if the USSR model dominated the world?
    What is this 'goodness' of the US you talk about?

    Combating during the Cold War and putting newly independent nations, that were economically struggling to chose sides, 'goodness'?

    It was not Bush who propounded the theory - either with us or without. It was John Foster Dulles. He divided the world. Nehru was US centric, but he also wanted to be on his own having come out of the colonial era. Dulles pushed him into the Soviet arms! That is goodness of the US?

    Gandhi maybe overrated. But then he got rid of a 300 years plus colonial serfdom without a shot being fired. If that is not something historical, then what is?

    Are you suggesting that the white supremacy that MLK using Gandhian tactics is more significant, brutal discriminatory and disgraceful than a 300 year colonial rule? Maybe. I cannot comment since I am not aware if the whites of the US were more brutal and ruthless than the British Raj. Maybe there were and you would know best.

    India is not close to Russia as you may like to feel. Initially, as I have explained, the US pushed India into the Russian hug.

    Open up your eyes. Check the facts. Is India still in the model of Russia?

    We are neither following the US dictates or the US dictates. We are, as also countries try to do, is following the model that suit us best in the circumstance.

    Russian model would have been great for USSR, but by a long chalk, it would not have been good for India or any other country since the parameters and cultures are different.

    You would know better.

    Has the American values and way of life and US concept of Freedom and Democracy worked out in Iraq or Afghanistan?

    Why has it not, when it was super for the USA?
    Last edited by Ray; 06-11-2014 at 10:31 AM.

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