RTK, thanks for the link, i had done a google search a while back and didn't find that link, me thinks me fingers may be a bit too fat. As for the book Bismark i definatly have recommended it to HUMINT folks as well as non MI folks that have expressed interest in how to better incorporate the HUMINT assets that they have available. I will be contacting the PAS site and see what they can tell me as far as the difference between Dr. Gittinger's original test and the one that was developed by Bill Todd, although with Intel related material its always a coin toss as to whether or not that is his name. Hopefully I will be able to attend one of the courses and if things go exceptionally well i can get Uncle Sam to pay for it.

-wierdbeard