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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Odom View Post
    did this guy write the blog-gag?

    I cannot help but feel a sense of deja vu, given that this author is Belgian. This policy was exactly how King Leopold managed to establish the Congo as his own private money-making venture and portray it as a charitable "loss" until Western authors--notably Conrad--exposed it for what it was.

    As for the limit on troops in El Salvador limiting news coverage on the war there, he is in my opinion sorely mistaken because it did nothing of the sort. The news media was all over that story and it stayed that way. Bill Meara was there; he could comment on this one.

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    The media WAS all over that one, and the unwashed lefties WERE banging their silly drum outside the White House, but Joe Six-Pack didn't give a rip, (as I've said before, the electorate hates hippies) and in fact, the liberal hysteria over El Salvador and Nicaragua seemed to ADD to Reagan's reputation in the eyes of the electorate.

    As long as the media cannot play off the conservative general dissatisfaction of lack of progress during COIN, shrill lefties don't have much traction in the US. No matter how much importance the media chooses to give to it.

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    The poor support for the war on our home front and the difficulty that we have in recruiting an adequate number of qualified individuals is, in my opinion, a symptom of cultural decay. That is not an indictment of those who choose other ways to improve society. It is an assessment of the low number of people desiring to serve in the military, relative to the population of our nation, and the large number of people who actively seek to undermine our efforts.

    There are many ways to serve society other than through military service. Unfortunately, many choose to avoid all of these options and go so far as to undermine our society. My impression is that the majority of those who are capable of service to society, but who choose not to serve, are physically weaker, mentally softer, more selfish, less educated, and increasingly see civil society as an obstacle to their goals of instant personal gratification, rather than as something that they are a part of and that they desire to serve. There is nothing for them to defend other than their own lot in life. I suspect that the detachment that many feel from civil society is a symptom of being less educated. Though more people today have more years of formal educational experience than at any time in our history, they are not receiving a liberal education that equips them with the knowledge and reasoning skills to make sense of the world around them. They either do not understand the benefits of our society or they see those benefits as an entitlement that they need not repay. Our culture, in general, also does little to instill a desire to serve. Fewer Americans are asking what they can do for their country because they are more focused on what their government will do for them.

    In a time of war, one would expect that threats to our nation would preoccupy the citizenry more than usual and that more recruits would seek out the military services, rather than vice versa. Instead, recruitment has become more difficult and we have seen a large, shrill, anti-war network emerge and have its fringe views absorbed into the mainstream. Rather than recognizing a significant threat to our nation, they perceive our nation as an emerging threat to others. They lack the education to discern the moral difference between hijackers slamming a plane into the Twin Towers and an American aircraft accidentally bombing the wrong target and killing civilians.

    Even among those who want us to prevail in Iraq, many buy into the well-crafted emotional arguments presented by the anti-war nuts. The rising toll of Americans killed in Iraq is seen as the measure of failure, rather than an unfortunate cost of war that tells nothing of the progress made in theater. Service members have been effectively portrayed in the media as incapable and helpless pawns, forced into service by dire economic circumstances and lack of opportunity, being mentally destroyed by the immorality of any war, but especially this one. Supporting the troops now means demanding our return because the assumption is that we are helpless fools being sent to our certain death for no reason. Mere ignorance is not a sufficient explanation for how a nation can be so thoroughly duped by such bankrupt arguments. That nation must also be morally corrupt to be able to view mortal combat as a simple numbers game lacking any context.

    We have a cultural problem in America. That is why we are exerting so much thought and effort to treat its symptoms with larger bonuses, more benefits, fancier uniforms, more awards, and addressing the public outcry over demands placed upon our service members.

    Perhaps my isolation from society after years of deployments and field problems, with the media being my conduit to American culture, has made me cynical. I hope that is the case.

    Sorry if I rambled.

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    John Q Public hasn't a clue regarding the complexity of modern military forces and with such a simplistic view, the connotations of service become simplified and even mythical, i.e. it's all about marching and shooting, which most anyone can do. Then again, as technology mutates (upgrades) at an accelerated pace and becomes central to the very fabric of our lives, and human evolution continues at its snail pace, additional unrealistic expectations and understanding of the military manifest -the 'shock and awe' mindset takes center stage and otherwise intelligent people think a war can be won in a matter of weeks and months. Add to the mix the usual Leftist/socialist/anti-American agendas and it seems for all practical purposes that military service is becoming almost at thing of the past. In time of real need, they will come, our young men and women will step up to the plate and make the sacrifices to insure some semblance of national integrity. We see this every day in small ways but to those 'in the mix', it is not so readily apparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmedlap View Post
    Perhaps my isolation from society after years of deployments and field problems, with the media being my conduit to American culture, has made me cynical. I hope that is the case.
    I suspect that the isolation gate swings both ways. Just as your view of American culture has been colored by its representation to you by the media, the view of most Americans in regard to their military's culture has been similarly colored by the media. I see it every day in my 10-year old's infatuation with things military due to thingsl like the Play Station games Call of Duty and Halo. He really doe not have a clue about the reality of the military life. I retired a few years before he was born. He has never even seen me in uniform much less had to have me out of his life for an extended period during a deployment. I am planning to bring him fon visits to the local VA hospitals to give him some insight into the kinds of sacrifices members of our military make for our country.

    Distortion is involved on both sides. This is an unfortunate outcome of the "social distance" attendant on having a small all-volunteer standing military force.

    Nonetheless I suspect that Goesh is is right when he said ,
    In time of real need, they will come, our young men and women will step up to the plate and make the sacrifices to insure some semblance of national integrity. We see this every day in small ways but to those 'in the mix', it is not so readily apparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goesh View Post
    In time of real need, they will come, our young men and women will step up to the plate and make the sacrifices to insure some semblance of national integrity.
    I agree with this statement. I don't know anybody who doesn't.

    As near as I can tell, people just don't see the fate of our nation hinging on the outcome of this democracy project in Mesopotamia. Some people do think propping up the Maliki government and occupying Iraq indefinitely is the linchpin to our national security...some don't.

    For those that don't, accusing them of hating America, being communists, rooting for the moral degradation of the country, being a 5th column for Al Qaeda, (feel free to fill in any other wild charge I have missed) is ineffective in changing minds because they do not see that as an accurate description of their own views, but just ad hominem.
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    "For those that don't, accusing them of hating America, being communists, rooting for the moral degradation of the country, being a 5th column for Al Qaeda, (feel free to fill in any other wild charge I have missed) is ineffective in changing minds because they do not see that as an accurate description of their own views, but just ad hominem." (tacitus)

    As a former Hippy, I would have liked to have seen my former brethern at the top of the list when it comes to the moral degradation of the nation, but anyway, the polarity shifts radically to the Right when direct threats are perceived. I don't see either side ever being able to fully manipulate and control the definitions of what constitutes a real threat to the nation. It's hard to beat Western Democracy, literally and figuratively. In some mystical way, the average Commoner can perceive real threats and they go enlist. PacK instinct? Something to do with our canine teeth?

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